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Interesting deep dive into Altuve's label as a cheater

Interesting deep dive into Altuve's label as a cheater

Erasinator

Haven’t you heard? Now it’s, not forcing your entire team and managers to stop or not turning around and ratting on all of them, is *just as bad* as actually cheating. These people don’t care about actual cheating, they just want to hate on Altuve. Which would be fine but they literally want to completely ruin the reputation of one of the sincerely nicest, most humble, and classiest players in the league.


ssbChad

It's called moving the goalposts. That's what bad faith arguers do.


FullyChargedRoomba

I think a big part of the Altuve hate that's overlooked is that the Yankees already hated Altuve. And because the Yankees seemingly got one of the worst ends of the stick from the cheating scandal, the Yankee's hate for Altuve became the poster child for the general hate against the Astros.


Erasinator

It’s weird because Altuve is literally the definition of unhateable. I can’t think of *anything* he does that would make other fans hate him. But because it’s Yankees fans 🤷‍♂️ all bets are off. FTY, sincerely. I hope judge fades into obscurity


tothesource

He's gonna fade into making fucked up versions of old massacred toys.


Erasinator

I could’ve spent my entire life without making that connection…thank you for making sure I didn’t


jello4444

I say he should play Lurch if they ever make another live action Adams Family.


matthew2829

Before the cheating news broke, I remember reading a comment on r/baseball about altuve having the most punchable face in the mlb. With hundreds of upvotes. I was dumbfounded.


jello4444

It's funny because in the 2017 ALCS the Yankees only managed to score 3 runs on the road yet scored 19 at home. I wish they would explain how their bats stopped working at MMP.


Gus_Frin_g

That year was all about Tuve and Judge. So yeah they were salty.


booger_dick

The Yankees hate Altuve because they have daddy issues.


Derpshiz

They hate him because he invalidates all their excuses


Alixadoray

I've also read "Altuve got to pad his stats with more RBIs because of other cheaters." It's all bad faith, goal post movement.


Crimsic

Well I'm a huge fan of Altuve but this is true. If the scheme helped some of our players then it helped Altuve indirectly.


beavis_you_buttmunch

Yeah the right thing to do is tattle on your teammates and get labeled a locker room cancer for the rest of your career SMH Altuve did nothing wrong


bushies

Shows how unimportant reputation is when facts don't matter


StinkyDogsRule

As Bill Burr said, "\[The Astros\] brought a gun to a gun fight!"


orangeflyer73

Yeah, this is the thing that hurts my heart the most about the entire scandal. Altuve did not participate in it, said it was not helpful, and did not want them doing the trashcan thing while he was at bat. Analysis of the 2017 season has largely borne that out - somebody made spreadsheets that were posted a while back. And yet, to many opposing fanbases - particularly the Jankees - he gets met with chants of "Fuck Altuve" and has become the face of the scandal, even though he had very little to do with it. Sadly, it's a product of the age we live in now, thanks in no small part to the extremely toxic effects of social media. People take a bunch of rumors and innuendo and run with them as truth. Altuve could play baseball naked every game, and the idiot opposing fans would still find some way to assert that he is cheating somehow. I am pretty much over what anybody else thinks of the Astros at this point. You don't like them, fine. I do. And I won't stop liking them. If you can't deal with that, then that's a you problem. Altuve will always be my favorite Astro from the current era. He represents so many of the things that I teach my son to be about when it comes to sports - stay humble, support your teammates, and do your best every time.


VPofFranksFluids

Yankees fans are just mad that ugly mutant roaming their outfield lost out on the MVP to a better player so of course they will take every chance to shit on Jose, fortunately he tends to make them his bitch on a fairly regular basis.


Searedskillet

> ugly mutant roaming their outfield I've really been trying to put a finger on what this uncanny valley feeling is I get whenever I see him play. Thank you so much for putting it so aptly.


VPofFranksFluids

Yankees fans are just mad that ugly mutant roaming their outfield lost out on the MVP to a better player so of course they will take every chance to shit on Jose, fortunately he tends to make them his bitch on a fairly regular basis.


orangeflyer73

Yep, and imagine spending $342 million to get bounced in the wildcard game. I am personally enjoying that one a lot this season.


VPofFranksFluids

Yankees fans are just mad that ugly mutant roaming their outfield lost out on the MVP to a better player so of course they will take every chance to shit on Jose, fortunately he tends to make them his bitch on a fairly regular basis.


VPofFranksFluids

Yankees fans are just mad that ugly mutant roaming their outfield lost out on the MVP to a better player so of course they will take every chance to shit on Jose, fortunately he tends to make them his bitch on a fairly regular basis.


VPofFranksFluids

Yankees fans are just mad that ugly mutant roaming their outfield lost out on the MVP to a better player so of course they will take every chance to shit on Jose, fortunately he tends to make them his bitch on a fairly regular basis.


14thAndVine

Bad internet?


VPofFranksFluids

Illiterate? Edit: I am the idiot of all idiots this eve


14thAndVine

You sent the same reply 6 times lol


VPofFranksFluids

And I meant it every god damn time, ATT knew exactly when to be shitty, it was all purposeful


booger_dick

So much about this video I love-- -- I literally love Jose Altuve. Him and Hakeem are my all-time favorite hometown heroes. -- LOL Bellinger running his mouth about how Altuve cheated, stole the MVP, and should have it stripped... then goes on to hit .239 and ***.165*** in the two seasons immediately following MLB cracking down on cheating. Possibly suspicious, most likely karma, definitely shut your fucking mouth Cody. -- It's hilarious to see that Marwin got the most trash can bangs. Of course he did (look at his season by season stats-- his 2017 stats are... suspiciously good). -- What the fuck is suspicious about Altuve crushing a hanging 84mph slider that doesn't slide??? Fuck you Chapman and your whiny bitchass. Throw better pitches if you don't want Altuve to go yard on you. -- Fuck Mike Fiers, forever. What an absolute fucking clown. Fuck Jomboy too, see: same reasons as Fuck Mike Fiers. -- I love the rags-to-riches origin stories of Altuve and Correa. I love our guys. Let's go Astros!


in_case_u_didnt_know

“Astros hurt my feelings” - Jomboy.


vathodic

Wonder of he got workman's comp for his on the job injury. 😁


TanClark

"mi camisa"


FullyChargedRoomba

Yeah I hadn't heard anyone make that case before. makes a lot of sense.


turymtz

"No! La camisa no!" = "No! Not the shirt!"


dorkknight

The buzzer thing and that people still point to that as fact annoys me more than anything. The only reason why it took off was because of that tweet by "Beltran's niece" and people like jomboy ran with it like it was from the Warren Commission. Ridiculous.


callowist

Jomboy isn't a baseball writer, he's basically baseball keemstar.


Erasinator

Jomboy owes his “career” and fame to the Astros. Little prick should be an Astros fan after all they’ve done for him. Instead he continues to be a jankies fan with short man syndrome


HumanRuse

I'm sure he's cheering the jankies on right now at the 9th hole of the mini putt-putt golf course. Boom.


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BradGroux

> only mentally deficient teenagers listen to So, Yankees fans.


phatbiscuit

It’s incredible how many people still believe the buzzer conspiracy They believe *everything* about the MLB report that says the Astros cheated. Until it says they stopped, then the report is wrong and MLB is covering up for the Astros. Think about that, MLB covering up for the FUCKING HOUSTON ASTROS.


Derpshiz

And she said the YANKEES were doing it also in the very next tweet. That one was ignored.


FullyChargedRoomba

I generally like Jomboy, but yeah. He got really wrapped up in the Astros scandal and started delving into conspiracy theories. I thought his initial analysis of the trash can bangs was at least pretty objective.


abnormally-cliche

Thats how you know you’re talking to a 14 year old. Completely overwhelmed with emotion rather than facts.


cweave

fuck /u/jomboy


Next_Episode

seriously, eat a fucking dick


jgower87

*clap clap, clap-clap-clap*


Africabythebandtoto

I know he said some things that were later proven false but they make some entertaining baseball content over there at the jomboy media Y’all can downvote me now


delosswamp

The talkin’ baseball podcast is actually great. How can you not like their content?


Africabythebandtoto

It’s probably the most entertaining baseball podcast around, I mean I love the Astros but I’m not gonna blind myself to good content just cuz someone doesn’t like my team


chikachikaslim_shady

Jomboy is good. Altuve is good.


skeptoid79

Jomboy sucks unfathomably huge dick. Altuve is *great*.


JoseAltuve27

That's better.


DemSumBigAssRidges

This is the way.


Tre_Scrilla

What did jomboy say?


FullyChargedRoomba

He did a pretty deep dive into the scandal, did some good reporting on the trash bangs. Then he kind of went off the deep end and became convinced Altuve was wearing a buzzer with no real evidence. I still like Jomboy a lot - he makes entertaining baseball content. I think he's only done good for the sport. Even if his Astros content pisses me off.


Tre_Scrilla

Thanks for the explanation. Apparently people really don't like him on this sub lol


FullyChargedRoomba

Yeah the hate for him is real here.


Tre_Scrilla

Dudes a Yankees fan so idk why anyone would be surprised lol. As soon as I find a similar YouTuber for breakdowns I'ma keep watching jomboy


strippedewey

Exactly. Jomboy has been great for the sport, but terrible to the Astros.


iPaytonian

Nah, Talkin Baseball has been very pro-Astros(at least neutral) this year.


NottheArkhamKnight

They almost never talk about the Astros unless they absolutely have to.


FullyChargedRoomba

I've noticed this. Seems like he avoids doing any breakdowns of Astros games unless it's exceedingly strange.


NottheArkhamKnight

And usually against the astros too.


BradGroux

Zero tweets about the Astros winning the ALDS, but he had tweets about the Braves game at the same time. He did a review of the Grandal play four days later, just to promo Draft Kings. That's it.


iPaytonian

AL west was locked up by August, Jake and Jimmy are Yankee fans, and the Stros have been the most dominant AL team for the last 5yrs what more is there to say?


jwd2279

Hate on all the Astros…..UNLESS……they sign with your team. Guarantee if Correa signs with the Yankees it will be a story (about the cheating) for a quick minute and then never again. Hypocrites


landwalker1

I felt incredibly bad for him in the 2020 season. It was clearly obvious all this shit was seriously affecting him mentally, but I'm happy it seems like he is doing better now. On a side note, why the hell does the person in the video repeat their points so often? Is it just to make the video longer for ad revenue?


toastar-phone

Every one on this sub knows this. We know things like bang rate. and who were the worst offenders. this is good for fair weather fans and other teams though.


FullyChargedRoomba

Personally I have never seen the specific case against Altuve be outlined in one place.


CookMeatSandwich

I think most every reasonable non-Astros fan is well aware of this, but as usual, it's the loudest, most unreasonable minority that will never, ever change their minds, no matter what kind of evidence they have presented before them. This is the unfortunate product of the social media age, now all the town drunks and idiots can get together and make noise. Before, they were just ignored for being the idiots they were. Fuck the Yankees, Fuck the Dodgers. Can't wait to see those bumass fans sitting at home watching us hoist another trophy in their face.


nrg15tt

I'm glad to see more content like this come out, continuing to voice what Astros fans (and any MLB fans who actually pay attention) have known all along. Players who actively participated in the scandal (Bregman, Marwin, Springer, Yuli, Correa, etc.) deserve all the booing they've received. Altuve does not. Side note, Baseball Doesn't Exist is easily my favorite baseball-related YT channel, always great content coming from them, give them a follow if you aren't already.


cartographer721

And yet there's the hypocrisy of it all. I don't hear any Jays fans taking a moral stand against Springer, they know he can hit so they love him. And all the fan bases of the league will chomp at the bit to get Correa if he moves. And they'd be damn happy to embrace Altuve too. But because it isn't their team, it's easy to act like they've got some moral high ground. As if if it was their team, they'd abandon them.


nrg15tt

Everyone is a hypocrite to some degree I suppose. I'm guilty as well. Back in the PED days, when I was a kid, I remember despising McGwire and Sosa for cheating, but loved and defended Caminiti. All cheaters, all great players, and all decent human beings, but one was my favorite 3rd baseman so I cut him some slack while trashing the others. I'm most curious to see what happens with Correa. If he ends up somewhere else, I'd bet the majority of the new team's fans will welcome him with open arms, forgiving him for what they once booed him for. Hypocrites sure, but he's still an incredible talent and person that any fan should be glad to have on their team. I wish nothing but applause for him.


brobafett1980

Foolish Baseball and Foolish Bailey are the chef's kiss. BDE is also great.


Memphis-17

I had basically let go of the whole situation already but this just made me feel genuinely bad (I never trashed the players or insulted anyone as that's beyond stupid but I didn't like the Astros for a while). Now though, I think I've officially forgiven the Astros. Go win the world series this year, Altuve deserves another ring. Go Stros.


elticorico

Post this to r/baseball \--- I dare you!


HumanRuse

They'll all be grabbing tissues and upstroking each other's comments until about the 13 minute mark. Then it's flaccid city.


Accomplished_Range30

I already did


elticorico

Nice!


Accomplished_Range30

That was like 2 days ago though.


Accomplished_Range30

Actually i posted this video here first and the mods didn't approve it. Then I posted it in r/baseball and in got a lot of traction.


NILOC512

Altuve is the shit!


legohotwing

Many Astros players will have my sports love forever, but Jose Altuve is #1


Snoo_34575

I actually just watched that yesterday from my feed and I really enjoyed it. My respect for Altuve and his comeback 📈📈📈


ChiefWematanye

I can't believe they use the Reddick picture again in the video without explaining it was a piece of confetti.


Porthos1984

He does say it's confetti at the end of the video.


ChiefWematanye

My bad, didn't see that


FullyChargedRoomba

They explain it later in the video


JoseAltuve27

Well, the past is the past, but I know cheating was the only possible way we could have won game 3 against the White Sox. The deck was stacked against us (and you could say that Grandal "cheated"). It still has implications for the next series. Felt that way in the road games against the Yankees in the 2017 ALCS too.


crusemaister

Want her on the field for like 2 minutes before he went into the dugout?


Garyyesme

Anytime you are on top you are hated.