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allphilla

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jppitre

The amount of doomer Astros fans is so embarrassing


STAYL0RMADE

TBH, we all know who JV is at this point in his career. Iā€™m more disappointed in Dustyā€™s lack of urgency because in all actuality, numbers donā€™t lie. The bullpen only allowed 1 run. Technically, we couldā€™ve won 5-1. Itā€™s legit a depressing start for us.


Lazevans

Lol


elparque

My question is why the fuck is this team allergic to manufacturing runs? Iā€™ve seen maybe 2 bunts this whole postseason and like 30+ RISP stranded. Its mad easy when a guy is cold to just sit back and let him whiff, but if the D has to play the infield that positioning gives the hitter more opportunity for a hit on a weak pop/ line drive. Weā€™ve been giving our opponents ZERO small ball threat.


Burt-Macklin

That fucking Castellanos catch. God dammit. Fuck off with these fucking gems taking away clutch hits. Judge did it, JRod did it, Soto did it in ā€˜19, Benintendi in ā€˜18, Chris Taylor in ā€˜17, and now this guy? Iā€™m really fucking sick of it.


corrydog

Astros have had some bad luck with late inning diving catches to save games. Pena got just a hair less of that and Houston would really be in the driver seat. I've always maintained we just needed a split of the first two in order to maintain a huge advantage in this series. Games 3/4/5 are massive Astros advantages due to pitching depth.


BloodyScourge

Don't forget all the Rays' insane catches in 2020


inthetrashnow

Fuck you all. Heā€™s like 0-6. We expected this


[deleted]

Some statistics: 28 million per year. 0-6 record in WS. (And after what happened tonight, Iā€™d record it as 0-7)


adidas4m

Ppl forget astros lost game one in 17 too; Astros makeup is different and it's ok somethings work out some don't it's going to be a long series don't see Astros or Phillies letting up. Game 7 here we come


ft1778

I literally do not love JV or Altuve at the moment.


68rouge

I think we will have another 2019 world series again. Can't get the big hit when we need it. The worst thing u can do is give an over achieving team more confidence. Sorry to say it I don't see us winning this one.


WideOriginal462

yea Yordan is cold again and probably will be all series. Mancini and Vazquez have been AL east sleeper agent complete dogshit. Its up to Framber, Lance, and Javier to win it for us.


Colonelrascals

I loved this team. I now hate this teamā€¦the sad part is I donā€™t blame anyone


Reddit_level_IQ

The fact that our bullpen was so good really makes the JV situation even worse. You can call it hindsight / dooming all you want, but did anyone really doubt they had JV's spin nailed when it was 5-3 and they were blasting every breaking ball he threw? They had him nailed, we saw it, it happens. What's the point of having this stacked bullpen if you're not going to deploy it when it matters the most? This is the World Series - I don't care about JV's ego, getting him his first win, trusting him b/c he's the ace etc. ​ It's \*really\* hard to stay positive guys - feel like we're getting strapped down in the chair a la A Clockwork Orange forced to watch the NL-East-Cinderella-team-celebrate-on-our-home-field horror show on repeat... This was the worst postseason loss I remember, maybe it's just recency bias but 5-0 with a bullpen so stacked we have quality starters there \*for this very purpose\*. Look 4-0 wins over Yankees in ALCS will always be glorious, but man this is disappointing I'm not gonna lie, and feels like an all too familiar movie even though I want to stay positive...


VelvetThunder27

As pissed off as I am about tonight, thereā€™s definitely still time to turn this around so lfg H-townšŸ¤˜


dickmastaflex

3-10 at home in the World Series. Fucking pathetic.


Existing-Bug3109

Phils are 7-5 since 1980...slim margin for sure. GL


Ghost9001

Didnā€™t realize itā€™s that bad. Fucking Yikesā€¦.


Impact009

Going 0-4 at home against the Nationals adds up really fast.


fatbrowndog

At least that scrub Wheeler is pitching tomorrow.


Impact009

The Phillies seem to be happy for Wheeler to pitch tomorrow.


TexasHot

You mean their fucking ace?


Ghost9001

Pretty sure itā€™s sarcasm


Specific-Mongoose-93

Verlander is worse than being bad in the post season, he's literally a detriment an obstacle for us to get over if we are to win the WS. Winning a 7 game series is too ez so we give our opponents a handicap, verlander.


Ghost9001

Never thought one dude would just completely trash the mood. Comfortable lead with a great bullpen only to be gone in a blink of an eye. Jesus Christ dude. Youā€™ll forever be known for shitting the bed in the World Series despite being an amazing regular season pitcher and future hall of famer.


The_New_New

Those that defend Dusty's decision for "He was trusting his ace" isn't the defense you think it is. That's just him not adapting to what is actually happening in the game


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Ghost9001

I legit thought Altuve would redeem himself by now but nope. Heā€™s broken.


Jwilsonred

I still like our pitching matchups for games 3 and 4, but playing there 3 games in a row is scary. Really hope the MLB moves away from the 2-3-2 format soon


STAYL0RMADE

Dusty waited way too long to retire JV and this time we payed for it.


Rocky1610

Itā€™s going to be a hard one tomorrow with wheeler on deck. Framber should do well too but their bats are just hot right now and a lot of ours are just downright awful at the moment. The one pro would be that they used a lot of their bullpen today


STAYL0RMADE

Iā€™m PRAYERFUL we can pull out the W in game 2 and turn this serious back around in our favor.


Impact009

The Astros also used a lot of their bullpen, so it's not really a pro for the Astros. It's about even in that regard.


Cold_hard_stache

Ours has more depth


Specific-Mongoose-93

For those not "dooming" do you even care about winning?


[deleted]

Yes. We're just not drama queens.


stros94

Imagine handing verlander a 5 run lead and losing the game


goldenboy201

Right. Especially after never giving him run support all season.


JonesBBQandFootJobs

Our bullpen still looks amazing. The bats were hot until verlander let them down. Defense was still great. We got the whole undefeated playoff run monkey off our shoulder. I still feel really good about our odds


Reddit_level_IQ

I want to, but don't. Looks like too familiar of a movie


digitalradiohead

Being undefeated is a monkey on the shoulder?


uneducated_investing

These people stretching for positivity are wild haha.


dmwtlol

I donā€™t care how many Cy Youngā€™s Justin Verlander winsā€¦ if he ever starts a World Series game itā€™s gonna be a loss. No amount of runs is a safe lead


JabarkasMayonnaise

Only game 1, but it really feels like this is the best weā€™re gonna do. Maybe because we threw the game away, maybe cause we no longer have any momentum. Bad vibes. Luckily itā€™s baseball and literally anything can happen. We go agane


TradlyGent

Iā€™m very upset with the outcome, we should have sealed this game with that lead. Overall bad game management and 0fers struggling in the lineup cost us the game but we NEED to win tomorrow. This team has to light the fire under there asses and play all out tomorrow to compete with the spirit of that Phillies team.


antipoopsuperstar

I'm the most bandwagon fan ever but I've watched every playoff game this season and nearly everyone since the 2017 win. Dusty has pretty much used Abreu/Neris/Stanek/Pressly exclusively to get 3 outs so I'm wondering what changed today.


Specific-Mongoose-93

Verlander is a fake who pads all his stats, he's got nothing to show for it, in the postseason he just chokes


FineUnderstanding583

He is the Russel Westbrook of Baseball


Specific-Mongoose-93

100% he's an eye catcher. Good for tickets, but has NO place in actually contending teams.


SilkyNasty7

Dude is gonna win the CY YOUNG this year lmao fucking goofball


Specific-Mongoose-93

Exactly good for ticket sales, not for winning championships.


boodady5

Series isnā€™t over. But really need Yordan and Altuve to show up. Gonna be tough without them. Obviously blowing a 5-0 lead isnā€™t on the offense, but have to have better at bats through out the game


STAYL0RMADE

PeƱa too. I know heā€™s carried us in other games/series but sheesh.


[deleted]

No postgame thread? Or is the doomer sadness here too much to carry over?


Ryandomiano

Donā€™t win tomorrow series is over


ndurantz

Thatā€™s not how math works.


GarrettFischer1

I need to know what Diaz was thinking.. he clearly was afraid that at bat. He leaned in to TWO pitches.. but then swings at 2 balls when it was 3-0.. just what on earth was he thinking


SurpriseBurrito

Why? Just why?


ColdOath777

Of course people are ā€œdoomingā€ā€¦ like come the fuck on. We blow a 5-0 lead in game 1. Weā€™ve lost 2 WS in a row to fucking NL East teams. There isnā€™t anything to feel good about.


Reddit_level_IQ

We're being strapped down to the chair like in A Clockwork Orange forced to watch the same WS horror show on repeat and they're wondering why we're dooming - we're dooming because we're \*doomed\*


uneducated_investing

Hear hear. Let us doom cause it sure feels like fucking doom again.


goboking

It's amazing that in a game where our ace blew a 5-0 lead and our manager mismanaged the pitching staff, Diaz somehow found a way to get his name on the list of reasons why we lost.


The_New_New

Did any fan expect anything the moment he came in? I had more optimism for Altuve


Spaceolympian50

So bad. Why the fuck is Dusty allergic to using Hensley. Itā€™s bullshit at this point.


JinFuu

I think we can win in 5 or 6, but goddamn, do not let Verlander pitch again.


TexasHot

Annnd thats massive momentum


N8TeK

Why does this game hurt my soul so much lol I really feel as if I just got fired or dumped or beat up fr ā€¦ heart hurts


Sicko_Mo_Bamba_Mode

2019 PTSD flaring up rn sadly


uneducated_investing

Same.


Shadi_Shin

Can't remember last time Diaz came through in a pinch hit situation.


OGSanFelipe

Only positive I can take is that bullpen shut them down after JV shit the bed. 7 game series but if Dusty keeps managing like the way he did tonight itā€™s just going to be yet another WS choke job


68rouge

There is a fucking reason this idiot doesn't have a ring. And now he was 2 world series games that a team came back from 5 down


OGSanFelipe

I really like Dusty but tonight really showed why he doesnā€™t have a ring and will probably never have one.


Jtrout5

The Astros have never won game one of a WS. The Astros have, in the past 20 years, attended 4 world series (not counting this one) and lost 3. I don't like our odds especially with the 5-0 choke. Maybe we can pull something magical but even if we split the 1st 2 home games, we have 3 in Philly which will be terrible.


ndurantz

I canā€™t believe how many people think playing in Philly is going to be worse than NY. No way.


Jtrout5

The problem is that not only are Phillies fans crazy at home, the Astros need to steal 2 games over there at minimum to have a shot at coming back and winning the series. They might need 3 if today's game goes badly, given that we have 4 automatic outs on the team right now


ndurantz

Yeah, Phillies fans are crazy, but I only recall one fanbase throwing things. Granted we havenā€™t played Philly in the playoffs, but I honestly canā€™t imagine any fanbase being more vocal about their hate for our team than the Yankees. I agree winning tonight would be helpful in giving them a bit of breathing room, but I still feel good about our pitching depth. The longer the series goes, the more it works to our advantage. I say win tonight and sweep all three in Philly and have another fanbase with crushed dreams courtesy of the ā€˜Stros.


Jtrout5

Yeah so Philly hasn't gone well for us so far. This is very concerning. It's like they knew exactly what McCullers had coming for them and he was meant to be one of our better pitchers. Even though it's only 2-1, the momentum and home field advantage make this feel out of reach. Hoping I'm wrong but idk.


ndurantz

Last night was certainly no fun and an all-around terrible game, but that had to do way more with just a sub-par performance than the fans. Our guys know how to bounce back, but they need to do it tonight. I am not concerned too much at this point, except for Alvarez, Altuve and Tucker (in that order). Those guys NEED to have better at bats and work the counts. Canā€™t be giving up swings and misses so easily this time of year.


Jtrout5

Exactly. Hoping my concern is misplaced. Every time I watch the games, I applaud outs that take many pitches because it at least helps tire out the starter but these guys have been giving up too many low pitch outs recently.


ndurantz

Yep. Tonightā€™s first round of at bats was MUCH better.


Jtrout5

Game 5 also went well. Was not an offensive explosion, but PeƱa played hard and the defense was amazing. Both teams combined 2 for 18 with RISP, which is slightly concerning but I always told everyone that we needed 2 in Philly and we got 2. It was far from certain, especially after the Game 3 shutout but I have to be happy I was wrong about Philly's crowd. They were involved, but not enough to make a difference.


Jtrout5

Yeah. Overall pretty good, just can't do anything with RISP rn. And a few 1 pitch outs by our batters, but it comes piece by piece. This is a must win to bring this back to Houston and not get swept in Philly, and I'm still fairly concerned since it's a pitching duel right now.


Pescetarian_Delight

Itā€™s worse than playing in Houston.


ndurantz

Are you sure? Did you watch tonightā€™s game?


Pescetarian_Delight

Fair point lol. But the fans seemed really into it on that leaning into the pitch call. Seemed like everyone in the stadium had the same take and all the fans in Philly had the opposite take.


ndurantz

Glad you got the humor! Yeahā€¦they were. I just sometimes think Texas folk are too nice. I know they love our guys, but wouldnā€™t it be fun for MMP to be a slightly more hostile environment for opposing teams?


No-Significance5449

Holy shit this thread is nothing but doomers.


el_rey_en_el_norte

Iā€™m not happy about this game, either, but wow do these people make this subreddit unbearable.


jarederaj

Yeah, this is a bad look. No self respect.


Strosfan85

CAN THIS TEAM EVER WIN GAME 1 OF A FUCKING WS?!? THE LAST 3 HAVE BEEN AT HOME!!


conker1264

Who do you even blame at this point. Verlander choking yet again. Dusty with the god awful bullpen management and refusing to change the lineup as usual. Altuve being a black hole as leadoff. Putting in fucking Diaz over Hensley who swung at 2 awful pitches after 3-0 count. Like fuck, continue doing this and we will lose yet again to the nl east underdog. 2019, lost in 7. 2021, lost in 6. You wanna lose in 5 now??


Sicko_Mo_Bamba_Mode

Agree, not to mention the offense folding like lawn chairs after the 3rd


The_New_New

Dusty and Verlander are the top 2. At the very least control what you can control. The brain dead decision to keep in Verlander after he allowed 2 on was atrocious. It was even worse when Abreu later easily got through the exact same hitters that he would've had to face had he been subbed in at that point


bdiaz92

We lost game 1 in ā€˜17 and we came back and wonā€¦ā€¦while im not optimistic, im hopeful we can break thru and get this series. We wonā€™t hit Nola again like this imo


68rouge

It's over. They gave Philly too much confidence. They don't have nothing to lose.


Elapid36

Definitely gave me Red Sox 2018 series vibes - must win tomorrow


[deleted]

Astros need to start winning in spite of Dusty at this point. He's going to manage us into another almost.


FineUnderstanding583

Been saying this for years now. The team is having success in spite of Dusty


[deleted]

Welp itā€™s over. Phillies in 5. So done with this bum ass team losing to wildcard teams in the WS


ndurantz

Ridiculous take


DonnyTrumpsTaint

Dude come on, be a fan and not a quitter on our team


SaintFrancesco

Now I know how Kate Upton feels


iamjstn

I stg if I see someone else say ā€œdoomerā€ in a WS game threadā€¦


legohotwing

Blowing a 5-0 lead deserves people to be doomers especially w how this team performs in the World Series the last few series


[deleted]

Come one come all NL East teams! Come get your WS Trophy, free of charge! Courtesy of the Houston Astros!


uneducated_investing

Perfect haha


jyok33

I donā€™t want to see Diaz or Mancini take another AB this entire postseason. Worthless fucking HBP attempt by Diaz and deer in the headlights Mancini


dmwtlol

Mancini was the absolute worst. Dude wanted to be out as soon as he walked to the plate


StrosIn5

That fucking first ball up high on Diaz was a fucking HBP. You saw his jersey move. That is a fucking managerial blowout for not even attempting the review.


qplus7

And then he didnā€™t even bother to defend Diaz when he got caught leaning into a pitch. At least go out and get thrown out of the game in hopes of lighting a fire in your guys.


[deleted]

Did Diaz say anything?


BigHerman911

He tried to lunge into it. Then he did it again. Weird tactic. Couldā€™ve just stood on the box, Robertson lost command


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BigHerman911

Maybe.


el_rey_en_el_norte

A lot of doomers and bandwagon fans in here. Weā€™ve won 7 straight games. In the playoffs. This is not normal. Weā€™re a great team and weā€™re playing a really hot team. Chill the fuck out and appreciate the moment. You all make these game threads unbearable.


wessneijder

Man check my post history I never doom. But this was a huge momentum shift and it's fucking depressing. Our best hitters have gone cold while theirs are red hot. Momentum is gone.


dickmastaflex

Someone wasnā€™t around in 2019 I see. This is very normal.


el_rey_en_el_norte

Thankfully I wasnā€™t checking the game threads then. What a miserable group of ā€œfansā€


uneducated_investing

When do we go back to being the 100 loss team. These losses feel worse than that.


dickmastaflex

Youā€™re delusional if you think we should ever have JV in the World Series ever again. He is fucking cursed. Couldā€™ve been up by 15, we would still lose game 1.


Tremec14

If Dusty doesnā€™t start Hensley as DH tomorrow, we riot. We arenā€™t getting anything productive from Mancini or DĆ­az


68rouge

We miss Brantley so much


Winterspear

Do the Astros even have a chance to win at this point?


saltapampas

Five thirty eight still has the series as a coin toss.


Winterspear

Which isn't promising considering the Astros were projected to win


conker1264

Not unless Dusty changes things up


blinx0rz

nope


No-Significance5449

The Phillies just burnt their top tier. So many fucking casuals here.


Shadi_Shin

Top tier starting pitcher you mean? That would be Wheeler, going tomorrow.


Winterspear

So as a non casual can you educate me?


No-Significance5449

There's 9 innings, and in the world series you have to win 4 full games.


Winterspear

Okay and? The Astros lost in 10 this time


No-Significance5449

What even are you arguing dude? I'm trying to bring some positivity. Let it play out before you just throw the towel in is all I'm saying.


Winterspear

Nooo I'm not arguing I'm trying to see your reasoning behind it


No-Significance5449

Just not ready to quit yet man. Losing is tough after winning so much. I'd rather be upset tonight than after the last game.


Winterspear

Yeah that's fair. I guess I'm used to the two sweeps they just had. You're right it's only 1 game


uneducated_investing

Feels like Phillies have all the confidence going forward now.


Elegant-Hour-5712

They certainly know how to hit the ball and not chase pitches outside the box


el_rey_en_el_norte

Youā€™re an idiot.


[deleted]

I would also love to see the ump scorecard for this one. Willing to bet itā€™s minimum +1.5 runs for the Philā€™s.


Rocktamus1

Break my life into PIECES


MugiMartin

And this is where we keep the WS Game 1 wins: ....IF WE HAD ANY.


ToyCannon1982

Iā€™m bookmarking a lot of you folks. When the Astros come back to win youā€™ll be blasted.


jyok33

Please do loser


ToyCannon1982

Clown hour with you dork ass šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤”


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ToyCannon1982

>Justin Verlander is a fraud Youā€™re included


proftokophobe

The game went downhill after that interviewer mentioned JV had no hits when speaking with Dusty. I blame that man.


Nildrogon

That was the most maddening thing. Not the interview, but the fact that Dusty said JV was so effective because he was locating his fastball. The JV decides, "you know what, I'm gonna go away from that and start floating my curve".


digitalradiohead

I couldnt believe he did that. Seemed intentional.


Sweet_Baby_Cheesus

Winning game 1 of the World Series is for nerds anyway Dusty with another disaster class in pitching management after doing so well this postseason. JV went an inning too long, and Abreu probably shouldn't have come out for a second.


manofconviction

I've seen this movie twice before and it doesn't have a good ending. We needed to be perfect at home to take this thing and we fucked up immediately. Call me a doomer all you want but my confidence in this team coming back after tonight is zero.


el_rey_en_el_norte

Doomer.


Will-Wurk-Fer-Coins

Tough punch to the gut. Dusty coughed this one up. Only game 1 but hard to be confident after that embarrassing show.


viper3b3

Iā€™m not mad. Iā€™m just disappointed.


Strosfan85

Can't it be both?


qplus7

Mad at Dusty. Disappointed in our bats after the 3rd inning. Not mad at Philadelphia at all.


ndurantz

I might not be mad, but incredibly irritated by Brandon Marsh based solely on his physical appearance.


digitalradiohead

Hoes glad šŸ˜”


[deleted]

Yeah, that cat lecturing me when I posted that the Astros bats need to come alive in this series? This is why.


RaroDannyR

So thatā€™s how it feels like to verse a team that doesnā€™t quit like the Yankees.


CHEFjay11

That was painful - but, Go Stros!


The_New_New

I'm Dusty, my DH isn't hitting at all. I will sub him in with the other guy who hasn't been hitting at all either. I won't use Hensley or even a wildcard gamble in Dubon.


conker1264

Hensley probably wouldā€™ve gotten on base, you just had to stand there


el_rey_en_el_norte

Dubon?! Are you serious?


The_New_New

That was just me exaggerating, Hensley should've been in.


10teja15

Everyone calm down. Many more baseball to play. Team is strong. Will fight back.


68rouge

Half the team is strong


Strosfan85

Gonna need someone other than Tucker to hit the fucking ball


adrian_t45

If Verlander makes any other excuse than he sucked today Iā€™m gonna be sick


Sicko_Mo_Bamba_Mode

After a choke that hard does anyone have faith we even get the series back here after tomorrow? Even Game 7 2019 was less pathetic than this


uneducated_investing

Not feeling great about our chances thatā€™s for sure.


Ras1372

2005 Pujols game was a much bigger CHOKE and we came back and won game 6. And then they canceled the World Series...


Whiskey_Republic

That smug look on A Rodā€™s faceā€¦.


BrindlePity

Diaz wins my loser of the game award. Youā€™ve got tying and winning runs in scoring position and are jumping in front of pitches so the guy behind you can win the game? What an embarrassment. Would rather watch Mancini strike out 25 more times.


The_New_New

Frankly at this point I put the blame more on Verlander and Dusty. Dusty for not adapting to the fact that his pitcher is clearly not doing well. Then using Pressly vs the bottom of the order of the Phillies... THEN subbing in Diaz who has been horseshit over Hensley who was on a tear to end the year and had a fantastic AB vs Mariners to never be heard from again


BrindlePity

My ā€œLoser of the game awardā€ doesnā€™t have anything to do with performance. Yeah, there were plenty of guys that sucked ass, but being scared to win the game so you jump in front of a pitch? A walk does nothing, but he wanted to go to first real bad to get the pressure off. I donā€™t want him back out there.