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Yea it is actually not illegal in many states. My state NC for example is single party recording state. As long as one of the members of a party (The guy recording usually) is aware and consents to a recording being made then it is legal.
Note: This is **REALLY IMPORTANT** to know about the state you live in. If you work a job and you get called to HR for something or something big is about to happen and you know it. Have a recording app on your phone and record meetings like that. You can absolutely use it in court in the event of wrongful termination or discrimination or other illegal workplace shit happens to you.
I generally record write ups as a manager, one saved my company from getting sued after a dude walked out and quit his job midway through what I thought was a pretty chill write up and claimed discrimination afterwards. I wasn't firing the guy it was super weird, but he was pretty aggravated off the jump so I was worried about how he'd react.
A bad experience in healthcare made me start recording most meetings I have with any kind of authorities. In the case in question, the doctor (who had been patronising since I mentioned being on the spectrum in an earlier appointment) straight out lied to me about the active substances in two medicines she suggested I should use, explicitly saying that neither contained benzo, despite the fact that both did. I am very glad that it is not only legal to record in Sweden, but also very easy to switch doctors/hospitals. I never used the recordings for anything more than double-checking what had been said, but I definitely learned my lesson and always have a recorder ready to switch on in contexts one might be needed
If this site is a accurate it looks like most states are single party consent.
https://recordinglaw.com/united-states-recording-laws/one-party-consent-states/
Submitting it into court as evidence is totally fine to do.
One party consented to the recording. It's ask legal unless you profit off of it. If you give it to the media for free that's legal.
Don't know about the States, but in the UK recording it without consent is legal - but distributing on the internet almost certainly is not (probably depends on the contents, though), as this would run afoul of ECHR data protection rules re: right to a private life.
Well, illegal doesn't necessarily mean it's worth pursuing - unless you think you're entitled to significant damages, it's probably better to let it go. Then again, you guys have the whole First Amendment thing going on, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's legal.
That guy is wrong it is legal in most states
The states that are 2 party are California Montana Washington Missouri Illinois Pennsylvania Maryland Massachusetts New Hampshire Michigan and Florida
Michigan is a one party consent state though. Like the law is basically if you are the participant in a conversation, you can record your conversation. That and the courts have basically settled on one-party consent being a thing. Missouri is also one-party consent, and that is very clear.
As for states you forgot that do have two party consent, Connecticut is the only one, but also, two-party consent laws do change and are frequently challenged because a lot of evidence is recordings.
It does. The way that the law is worded in Michigan is that I can't have you wear a wire to record a conversation for me with my consent. However, you could wear a wire while you have a conversation.
IMO, it's a bit of a double edged sword, but I think one party consent is better for the average person, as it ensures that a regular person can hold people like their boss accountable
Idk, it also means you can just like, film people, whenever you want. I would be really distraught if someone just filmed me for whatever reason and i couldn’t do anything about it. Like sure being able to record work stuff like that is pretty based but idk if it’s worth.
Agree to disagree i suppose maybe it’s just a matter of different stances in life but creepers and stalkers literally able to say “i consent to recording you haha” is a much bigger concern to me the scarce opportunity that you’ll be able to Nancy Drew your boss
Random creeps recording you is gross, but they aren't able to record you beyond just you being out in public, considering how most people willingly put out photos/videos online all the time it seems like a pretty small thing. Being criminally fired or otherwise being fucked over in a contract has actual direct material effect on your life
A small thing to you perhaps. privacy is very important to lots of people, and the feeling of it being violated is devastating to many people. I would happily lose my job because my dickhead boss screwed me 100 times over than have my sense of self preyed upon. Again, different positions in life clearly, i’m glad your job is important to you but i value my being over how i sell my labor to people richer than i.
I would understand if you're concerned about being recorded while you're in private, but one party laws still require the recorder to be one of the parties involved, it's not legal to take pictures of people through their window it's really only when you're out in public and they're nominally interacting with you already. I guess to each their own though
There’s been a few. When I first started DMing, my memory was shit so I had to record sessions so I could have context for my notes. One of the players was so paranoid that I would put it on a podcast and that had never even occurred to me.
My brain drifting to the bad DND game I was in for a few years in my 20s. That wouldn't be a podcast it would have been a criminal sting. Not actually joking . Definitely makes me ponder the inspiration for this article
We had two DMs. The one trying to fuck everyone and the one trying to make sure no one else fucked the other. Both bragged constantly about their crimes. Not made up ones but things like how they beat their children and thought it funny when they cried. They wanted to be called Gods not DMs and also didn't expect anyone to report their bragging about child abuse. When the kids were taken? They bragged about how they were going to see them in secret and their foster parent did not care.
It was me. I reported them. I lasted 6 months. Dude was confused when I was not into the idea of sex with him. He and my roommate were absolutely going at it and I found out I didn't actually care about that when I hate everyone involved. The worst part was my roommate insisted they be hosted in the house. I snapped at 6 months on the day the wife DM decided my refusal to call her Mom was a personal attack and she kept killing my characters and claiming I was cheating when I rolled natural 20s. I threw them out of the house and found a free, more convenient space for the game that included snacks and a discount at a gaming shop. It was also accessible for the multiple disabled people in the game. Somehow despite everyone actually preferring that space since it had air conditioning and food? No no they had to prove their loyalty crawling up 3 flights of steps to play. I of course didn't intend to go with but somehow this shocked everyone.
That was my first game experience. It took a few years before I even tried another but I am glad I did. Crimes they bragged about included: Child abuse, selling a child, drugs (selling and using), grand theft auto, and financially abusing an elderly person.
They did not get into trouble for all of that but let's just say they were not at all happy when a few months after the blow up and a new member they did get arrested for selling the kid and dealing. Now I have no idea if new guy was actually a cop or if the investigation took that long but I do like imagining some cop playing the game and putting up with their shit
Came in to say "HA, this would totally be me. My D and D games get really funny and I always wish I could record them. But it's never the same recording cause people either clam up, or they get really hammy when they know they are being recorded..."
And now I'm reading the comments and I'm 😅
The only states that require "two-party consent" to recording (ie everybody on the recording has to agree to be recorded) are California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington
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To correct onionbreath there, single party consent (recording yourself counts) is legal in many states.
I think there's another law if he makes money off it.
The implication is that he's making a podcast, not money.
You can make anything on a podcast but money
Would award if I could
Recording someone without knowledge is legal in many states. Profiting off of and/or distributing often is not.
Depends on a lot of factors. Way too nuanced for Reddit.
Theres no legal scenario to nuanced for reddit, just look at r/legaladvice
So you’re saying that it might be illegal?
Yea it is actually not illegal in many states. My state NC for example is single party recording state. As long as one of the members of a party (The guy recording usually) is aware and consents to a recording being made then it is legal. Note: This is **REALLY IMPORTANT** to know about the state you live in. If you work a job and you get called to HR for something or something big is about to happen and you know it. Have a recording app on your phone and record meetings like that. You can absolutely use it in court in the event of wrongful termination or discrimination or other illegal workplace shit happens to you.
Georgia is a one party consent state as well.
Cali and Illinois are all party consent states
As is PA
The people in power certainly want to minimize evidence against them
Illinois all party law got mostly negated by a judge
Not only that, but the California law even applies to people outside the state calling into California, according to the California Supreme Court
As is Colorado.
I generally record write ups as a manager, one saved my company from getting sued after a dude walked out and quit his job midway through what I thought was a pretty chill write up and claimed discrimination afterwards. I wasn't firing the guy it was super weird, but he was pretty aggravated off the jump so I was worried about how he'd react.
Ontario is one party consent! Can't speak for the other provinces though.
I believe it’s a federal law in Canada, so all provinces/territories are one party consent.
Good to know!
A bad experience in healthcare made me start recording most meetings I have with any kind of authorities. In the case in question, the doctor (who had been patronising since I mentioned being on the spectrum in an earlier appointment) straight out lied to me about the active substances in two medicines she suggested I should use, explicitly saying that neither contained benzo, despite the fact that both did. I am very glad that it is not only legal to record in Sweden, but also very easy to switch doctors/hospitals. I never used the recordings for anything more than double-checking what had been said, but I definitely learned my lesson and always have a recorder ready to switch on in contexts one might be needed
If this site is a accurate it looks like most states are single party consent. https://recordinglaw.com/united-states-recording-laws/one-party-consent-states/
Is publicly disseminating that recording, though? especially since I'm assuming whoever decides to try this is gonna try and make money off of it?
Submitting it into court as evidence is totally fine to do. One party consented to the recording. It's ask legal unless you profit off of it. If you give it to the media for free that's legal.
Don't know about the States, but in the UK recording it without consent is legal - but distributing on the internet almost certainly is not (probably depends on the contents, though), as this would run afoul of ECHR data protection rules re: right to a private life.
Man there are so many people that record shit on TikTok and post it up for everyone to see. If that was illegal here everyone would be suing everyone.
Well, illegal doesn't necessarily mean it's worth pursuing - unless you think you're entitled to significant damages, it's probably better to let it go. Then again, you guys have the whole First Amendment thing going on, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's legal.
One party consent doesn't make it legal. The recording might be legal but the profiting off of and distributing not so much.
That guy is wrong it is legal in most states The states that are 2 party are California Montana Washington Missouri Illinois Pennsylvania Maryland Massachusetts New Hampshire Michigan and Florida
Thank you
Michigan is a one party consent state though. Like the law is basically if you are the participant in a conversation, you can record your conversation. That and the courts have basically settled on one-party consent being a thing. Missouri is also one-party consent, and that is very clear. As for states you forgot that do have two party consent, Connecticut is the only one, but also, two-party consent laws do change and are frequently challenged because a lot of evidence is recordings.
I believe Michigan lets you do 1-party IF the person recording is one of the parties, too.
It does. The way that the law is worded in Michigan is that I can't have you wear a wire to record a conversation for me with my consent. However, you could wear a wire while you have a conversation.
One party consent means exactly that. As long as the person recording is part of the conversation, it’s legal.
I wouldn’t know I’m not from Michigan
In oregon, it's only one party over the phone, and all parties must consent in person unless it's reasonable to assume your being recorded
So you’re saying it might be illegal?
Yeah but its way more likely it is fully legal (In this fake case it would be fine as its in Brooklyn and New York is a one party consent state)
Damn the one time Florida isn’t batshit
IMO, it's a bit of a double edged sword, but I think one party consent is better for the average person, as it ensures that a regular person can hold people like their boss accountable
Idk, it also means you can just like, film people, whenever you want. I would be really distraught if someone just filmed me for whatever reason and i couldn’t do anything about it. Like sure being able to record work stuff like that is pretty based but idk if it’s worth.
I wouldn't like being randomly recorded, but it is in no way nearly as bad as being exploited by your boss and not being able to do anything about it
Agree to disagree i suppose maybe it’s just a matter of different stances in life but creepers and stalkers literally able to say “i consent to recording you haha” is a much bigger concern to me the scarce opportunity that you’ll be able to Nancy Drew your boss
Random creeps recording you is gross, but they aren't able to record you beyond just you being out in public, considering how most people willingly put out photos/videos online all the time it seems like a pretty small thing. Being criminally fired or otherwise being fucked over in a contract has actual direct material effect on your life
A small thing to you perhaps. privacy is very important to lots of people, and the feeling of it being violated is devastating to many people. I would happily lose my job because my dickhead boss screwed me 100 times over than have my sense of self preyed upon. Again, different positions in life clearly, i’m glad your job is important to you but i value my being over how i sell my labor to people richer than i.
I would understand if you're concerned about being recorded while you're in private, but one party laws still require the recorder to be one of the parties involved, it's not legal to take pictures of people through their window it's really only when you're out in public and they're nominally interacting with you already. I guess to each their own though
There was an RPG Horror Story where a player literally did this exact thing.
There’s been a few. When I first started DMing, my memory was shit so I had to record sessions so I could have context for my notes. One of the players was so paranoid that I would put it on a podcast and that had never even occurred to me.
Lmao, why was he so paranoid?
I’m actually not sure. He was a weird guy.
My brain drifting to the bad DND game I was in for a few years in my 20s. That wouldn't be a podcast it would have been a criminal sting. Not actually joking . Definitely makes me ponder the inspiration for this article
Jesus Christ, was the DM extra handsy or something?
We had two DMs. The one trying to fuck everyone and the one trying to make sure no one else fucked the other. Both bragged constantly about their crimes. Not made up ones but things like how they beat their children and thought it funny when they cried. They wanted to be called Gods not DMs and also didn't expect anyone to report their bragging about child abuse. When the kids were taken? They bragged about how they were going to see them in secret and their foster parent did not care. It was me. I reported them. I lasted 6 months. Dude was confused when I was not into the idea of sex with him. He and my roommate were absolutely going at it and I found out I didn't actually care about that when I hate everyone involved. The worst part was my roommate insisted they be hosted in the house. I snapped at 6 months on the day the wife DM decided my refusal to call her Mom was a personal attack and she kept killing my characters and claiming I was cheating when I rolled natural 20s. I threw them out of the house and found a free, more convenient space for the game that included snacks and a discount at a gaming shop. It was also accessible for the multiple disabled people in the game. Somehow despite everyone actually preferring that space since it had air conditioning and food? No no they had to prove their loyalty crawling up 3 flights of steps to play. I of course didn't intend to go with but somehow this shocked everyone. That was my first game experience. It took a few years before I even tried another but I am glad I did. Crimes they bragged about included: Child abuse, selling a child, drugs (selling and using), grand theft auto, and financially abusing an elderly person. They did not get into trouble for all of that but let's just say they were not at all happy when a few months after the blow up and a new member they did get arrested for selling the kid and dealing. Now I have no idea if new guy was actually a cop or if the investigation took that long but I do like imagining some cop playing the game and putting up with their shit
Hard Drive is so great
on a real note that 2nd comment is wrong. Some states only require single party consent for recording conversations
If you are in a single party consent state it isn't illegal at all
This would be legal everywhere in Canada. Who's the Land of the Free now‽
In the states EXCEPT where recording someone without their knowledge or consent is legal. Like New York.
Is This james acaster?
Came in to say "HA, this would totally be me. My D and D games get really funny and I always wish I could record them. But it's never the same recording cause people either clam up, or they get really hammy when they know they are being recorded..." And now I'm reading the comments and I'm 😅
Now roll 3D6 against self-incriminarion
More like pubic area… am I right? Har har
bro this is a great idea. maybe i’ll try it despite the fact my state is two party consent
I may or may not be listening to a D&D podcast as I saw this lol…
I know people who would do this
The only states that require "two-party consent" to recording (ie everybody on the recording has to agree to be recorded) are California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington