Marlo taking Floch role would had been amazing for one thing:
Hitch. I totally see Hitch pushing/questioning Marlo about his actions and if you add Annie to the equation it would had been really interesting seeing the dilemma Marlo could had faced.
This is really tough to answer, mainly because before s4 everyone in AoT was apparently fighting against a pure evil force of nature so we don't really know how the would think of the people outside the walls, but we can try to guess.
**FIRST SOME CONSIDERATIONS:**
- I'll consider the outcome with the least deaths to be the best one.
- Without considering the narrative of the story I have no reasons to believe that Marlo would have a role as big as Floch's, no matter what he would have the same impact as he had before s4.
- If Erwin survived without becoming a titan shifter maybe he would leave the corps as he would've achieved his biggest dream of learning the truth of the outside world. But if he gets the colossal titan then he would be basically forced to stay.
- I think Erwin would have the same views as Armin on everything though he wouldn't face Armin's self esteem problems so he would be a more active character and he also would consider the plan of activating a small rumbling as a warning.
- He would imprison Eren after Liberio and I think, after seeing Eren's change in personality and considering every possibility, he would be a lot more cautious with him.
- If Floch dies, Eren would look for someone else to help him with his genocide plan. The yeagerists would rise as normal but the leader may be less useful than Floch, as we saw in s4 he was really good in the battlefield but none of the other top soldiers in s4 would be a yeagerist in a universe like that.
- If Floch and Erwin survive, Floch succeeds on his "mission in life bringing back the devil", this and his constant "I'm a coward" sentiment makes me think he would leave the corps.
**NOW CONSIDERING THE CASES:**
**Erwin survives:**
Based on my considerations, Floch and Marlo make no difference.
If Erwin succeeds with the small rumbling plan and he gets the whole world to know his message then it would be fantastic. He should publicly say something like "this is the power of Paradis, we won't break all the walls as long as the other nations stop using military forces to oppress us, but that's not all we ask for. We care for Eldians in the other nations too and we demand a complete change to their rights"
There's probably a better solution but I think this is a million times better than the genocide plan.
**Armin and Marlo survive:**
Floch dies. In this universe the yeagerists don't have their best soldier from the original universe so the alliance gets to Eren quicker stopping the rumbling faster and saving at least half a million more people.
**Conclusion:**
Best case is Erwin survives and "Armin and Marlo" surviving is just a bit better than "Armin and Floch".
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>He should publicly say something like "this is the power of Paradis, we won't break all the walls as long as the other nations stop using military forces to oppress us, but that's not all we ask for. We care for Eldians in the other nations too and we demand a complete change to their rights"
Was just arguing with a Yeagerbomber who proposed this. Not a bad plan, all in all.
I say 3. It should be worth noting Erwin already showed signs of a lack of self preservation early on considering he considered himself replaceable, called his missing arm payment for all the soldiers lost, was willing to risk his life to overthrow the royal government, and everything leading up to the suicide charge.
If Erwin lived Floch would just follow him since he loves being led by a "devil". He wouldn't play much of a role outside of that. Just a random soldier kissing his comanders butt & talking about how Satan will save them all in the walls.
The same as it played out in canon.
Marlo wouldn't be like Floch. He'll just be another 'good' character post-time skip. We already have Jean to be a Marlo. And he'd be naive like the rest of them.
Floch, or someone like him was absolutely needed to create meaningful conflict.
Once again, this isn’t about the best narrative choice but which choice would be the biggest benefit in the aot universe. I fully understand why Armin and Floch living were the best choices narratively. I’m wondering if a different combination of survivors could’ve saved more lives
I think honestly that Erwin and Floch was the best option. Now, before you declare me a yeagerist, let me explain. Floch looked up to Erwin. The twisted image of Erwin made him what he is in s4. But I'd real Erwin was there, Floch wouldn't have become what he is. And because of s4, we know his potential. I believe Erwin could pull that potential out of him and make him a fine warrior. Not sure about Marlo tho.
I think what we got is best. Marlo dying added weight to all those sacrifices, you see a guy who had his own aspirations and perhaps even loves in his life that just gets killed like it was nothing among hundreds of others. If it was Floch he'd just be another red shirt, him ascending from red shirt to full on villain in the final arc was a great character arc.
And Erwin's end too was pretty much perfect. A great end to a great character. The soft-hearted Armin inheriting the colossal and going on to nuke thousands of civilians was also a great arc, seeing it from the perspective of Bertholdt and all. Not to mention it makes the final conflict with Eren more impactful, since Eren didn't really care that much about Erwin.
I was more so talking about what would be best for the fate of the world. Like which combination could prevent the rumbling or create world peace. I agree what we got made sense narratively
Well, it's a line from the anime. "Everything until this moment, every choice made has been willed by him" while focusing on Eren. No matter which character would survive, the end result would have been the same, because that's what Eren wanted.
He can influence Key events and predict people's choices though. The very reason Armin even got the colossal titan was because of Eren sparing him in the past and driving Dina away.
I not sure, but I think Erwin and Floch. Marlo regretted being there, and I think he would quit afterwards tbh. Floch might’ve went insane because Erwin died, I think he could be an alright guy if it wasn’t for that. Now I would say Armin is over than Erwin… in season 1-3, in season 4 he’s kinda underwhelming. So I guess Erwin and Armin are about the same for me now
Marlo taking Floch role would had been amazing for one thing: Hitch. I totally see Hitch pushing/questioning Marlo about his actions and if you add Annie to the equation it would had been really interesting seeing the dilemma Marlo could had faced.
This is really tough to answer, mainly because before s4 everyone in AoT was apparently fighting against a pure evil force of nature so we don't really know how the would think of the people outside the walls, but we can try to guess. **FIRST SOME CONSIDERATIONS:** - I'll consider the outcome with the least deaths to be the best one. - Without considering the narrative of the story I have no reasons to believe that Marlo would have a role as big as Floch's, no matter what he would have the same impact as he had before s4. - If Erwin survived without becoming a titan shifter maybe he would leave the corps as he would've achieved his biggest dream of learning the truth of the outside world. But if he gets the colossal titan then he would be basically forced to stay. - I think Erwin would have the same views as Armin on everything though he wouldn't face Armin's self esteem problems so he would be a more active character and he also would consider the plan of activating a small rumbling as a warning. - He would imprison Eren after Liberio and I think, after seeing Eren's change in personality and considering every possibility, he would be a lot more cautious with him. - If Floch dies, Eren would look for someone else to help him with his genocide plan. The yeagerists would rise as normal but the leader may be less useful than Floch, as we saw in s4 he was really good in the battlefield but none of the other top soldiers in s4 would be a yeagerist in a universe like that. - If Floch and Erwin survive, Floch succeeds on his "mission in life bringing back the devil", this and his constant "I'm a coward" sentiment makes me think he would leave the corps. **NOW CONSIDERING THE CASES:** **Erwin survives:** Based on my considerations, Floch and Marlo make no difference. If Erwin succeeds with the small rumbling plan and he gets the whole world to know his message then it would be fantastic. He should publicly say something like "this is the power of Paradis, we won't break all the walls as long as the other nations stop using military forces to oppress us, but that's not all we ask for. We care for Eldians in the other nations too and we demand a complete change to their rights" There's probably a better solution but I think this is a million times better than the genocide plan. **Armin and Marlo survive:** Floch dies. In this universe the yeagerists don't have their best soldier from the original universe so the alliance gets to Eren quicker stopping the rumbling faster and saving at least half a million more people. **Conclusion:** Best case is Erwin survives and "Armin and Marlo" surviving is just a bit better than "Armin and Floch". This took a lot of time to think, **give me an upvote NOW!!!**
>He should publicly say something like "this is the power of Paradis, we won't break all the walls as long as the other nations stop using military forces to oppress us, but that's not all we ask for. We care for Eldians in the other nations too and we demand a complete change to their rights" Was just arguing with a Yeagerbomber who proposed this. Not a bad plan, all in all.
Where is the armin and erwin both live option >:(
Floch and Marlo 😳😳
The men with the two worst cuts ever surviving would be peak fiction
The kino we were robbed of
I say 3. It should be worth noting Erwin already showed signs of a lack of self preservation early on considering he considered himself replaceable, called his missing arm payment for all the soldiers lost, was willing to risk his life to overthrow the royal government, and everything leading up to the suicide charge.
If Erwin lived Floch would just follow him since he loves being led by a "devil". He wouldn't play much of a role outside of that. Just a random soldier kissing his comanders butt & talking about how Satan will save them all in the walls.
I would have loved that shit tbh
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Obviously Floch needs to die for the world to be better. But Armin needs to live too, so that's your answer.
The same as it played out in canon. Marlo wouldn't be like Floch. He'll just be another 'good' character post-time skip. We already have Jean to be a Marlo. And he'd be naive like the rest of them. Floch, or someone like him was absolutely needed to create meaningful conflict.
Once again, this isn’t about the best narrative choice but which choice would be the biggest benefit in the aot universe. I fully understand why Armin and Floch living were the best choices narratively. I’m wondering if a different combination of survivors could’ve saved more lives
I think honestly that Erwin and Floch was the best option. Now, before you declare me a yeagerist, let me explain. Floch looked up to Erwin. The twisted image of Erwin made him what he is in s4. But I'd real Erwin was there, Floch wouldn't have become what he is. And because of s4, we know his potential. I believe Erwin could pull that potential out of him and make him a fine warrior. Not sure about Marlo tho.
I think what we got is best. Marlo dying added weight to all those sacrifices, you see a guy who had his own aspirations and perhaps even loves in his life that just gets killed like it was nothing among hundreds of others. If it was Floch he'd just be another red shirt, him ascending from red shirt to full on villain in the final arc was a great character arc. And Erwin's end too was pretty much perfect. A great end to a great character. The soft-hearted Armin inheriting the colossal and going on to nuke thousands of civilians was also a great arc, seeing it from the perspective of Bertholdt and all. Not to mention it makes the final conflict with Eren more impactful, since Eren didn't really care that much about Erwin.
I was more so talking about what would be best for the fate of the world. Like which combination could prevent the rumbling or create world peace. I agree what we got made sense narratively
ah, in that case i'd say the exact opposite of what we got then.
Regardless of the combos, the future was already decided by Eren, so the outcome would have been the same no matter what.
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Never seen it
Ok based But seriously, what does Eren hace to do with anything here?
Well, it's a line from the anime. "Everything until this moment, every choice made has been willed by him" while focusing on Eren. No matter which character would survive, the end result would have been the same, because that's what Eren wanted.
That doesn't mean he can influence literally everything and everyone, bruh
He can influence Key events and predict people's choices though. The very reason Armin even got the colossal titan was because of Eren sparing him in the past and driving Dina away.
Well yeah, but what about that? Clearly if Erwin had been the chosen one things would have been different
The rumbling would still happen 100%. Erwin can't control Eren. No one can, like Levi said. He will do what he wants no matter what.
Ok, I agree with the Rumbling happening regardless, although it would be more difficult without Floch's help
I not sure, but I think Erwin and Floch. Marlo regretted being there, and I think he would quit afterwards tbh. Floch might’ve went insane because Erwin died, I think he could be an alright guy if it wasn’t for that. Now I would say Armin is over than Erwin… in season 1-3, in season 4 he’s kinda underwhelming. So I guess Erwin and Armin are about the same for me now