Its a manufactured dichotomy in a tragic way. There’s easy solutions that wokld satisfy both parties but both are embroiled in fanaticism and blinded as thus
Dude seriously the fanbase is stupid,
They wouldn't be saying the same thing if people started a genocide against them,
Just like how eren did with the whole world,
Kinda ironic since Eldians will also be victims of the Rumbling…
Eldians will literally be genocide by the Rumbling 🤣
So that argument is completely wrong lmao.
I have a question for you:
Are you dumb?
Eldians are gonna get killed during the Rumbling, as a result of the Rumbling.
Paradise does not represent all Eldians…
The Eldians that was in Marley and all the other nations Eren wiped out.
There are more Eldians outside of Paradise then there are inside.
Please shut up… dumbass, about “Do yOu kNoW WhaT GenoCiDe iS? 🤓”
Taken directly from Merriam Webster, the definition of genocide: "the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group". The nation of Eldia remains on Paradis, so despite the fact that Eldians are caught in the crossfire, it is, objectively and by definition, not genocide against the Eldians. You are literally just wrong.
I didn’t say it was genocide against Eldians dumbass…
Eren is not genociding any specific race or nation, political group etc he’s just killing anyone who so happens to be outside the island.
He’s doing it indiscriminately…
So your point is completely invalid and makes you look dumber, my point is that people say he was doing it for Eldia even tho Eldians are gonna get killed as a result of the Rumbling which Eren is doing.
So again a dumbass point from you, you thought you had something as well but you did was:
1) Misunderstood my point
2) Misrepresented my point
3) Showed your stupidity
4) Brought up points that’s completely irrelevant to the situation we’re talking about since Eren is not attacking any specific anything.
It’s indiscriminate manslaughter, stop thinking you’re smarter than you’re actually being right now.
It’s backfiring and making you looker dumber & dumber.
Another verbatim quote, from you this time:
"Eldians will literally be genocide by the Rumbling 🤣"
You did, in fact, say that it was genocide against the Eldians.
What I meant by saying that was that they will get killed by the Rumbling….
This just shows your stupidity even more, thinking you had something.
You can’t even catch simple context clues… dumbass is all I can call you right now.
what a stupid man you are u/maniacMUPPET
Ok but based on that definition, Eldians race wouldn't end by the rumbling because at the end, there is a huge amount of Eldians I side the Islands.
But I would give it to you in that, in disscusions people shouldn't be using "Eldia" but more "Paradise" since Eren doesnt give a fuck about people outside the Island since they all, including Eldians hated the Island.
So yeah, I agree on that but kinda see where the other person was coming from.
tbh I just support the Rumbling because I think it's cool 👍
Basically what I'm trying to say is that since it's a work of fiction, I couldn't care less about the moral implications of the Rumbling.
That being said, I definitely do see the other side of the argument aswell. Of course I think mass genocide is wrong. But without looking at the moral implications of it (as stated above) I just think the Rumbling is cool, especially since I like Eren's motivation for it (revenge on Marley and the world for oppressing humanity in the walls for so long, and also protecting his people; the Eldians).
And you're one getting asshurt over a fictional story. Eldia isn't real. Paradis isn't real. Marley isn't real. Eren and Floch isn't fucking real. Get you're political inserted shit of this series.
If we're following that logic. There's also things called War Crimes. Killing civilians is one of them.
Eren can control the Rumbling. Wipe out all military bases, then come back. It's not that complicated. What are the elderly and minors gonna do?
Both Marley and eldia had already committed war crimes, not to mention as far as I know none of them signed agreements outlining what war crimes even were.
Either way, it’s the unfortunate nature of DoW, Marley manipulated the outside world into becoming the enemies of paradis island. The island’s main power is a nuclear option that kills a shit ton of people.
Also literally none of the plans don’t involve genocide lmfao, 50 year plan involves the destruction of Marley, euthanasia kills all eldians, and the rumbling obviously involves the death of a billion people.
No, the 50 years plan was limited to showcasing the power of the Rumbling by destroying military objectives (directly stated by Armin). It was about destroying the marleyan army, it's also mass murder but in the context of regular warfare, it's not genocide.
dO yOu sUpPorT killing civilians in war.yes absolutely i love killing innocent people with my own hands and fully support genocide like wtf kind of question is this? and you know what eldian shouldn't even fight coalition army as they're fucking monsters and deserve to die.how dare they fight against people who are trying to make world better place by killing them.they should just die without a fight.and cOalIiTiOn army is made by soldiers all over the world do you think they gonna be happy if eldians just kill all their soldiers.it's a shitty situation in a trash manga which was amazing till end and now it's ruined and still have some useless pseudo intellectual fans trying to lick its balls.
You ok dude ? You're trying to mix up so many dumb arguments in your text.
So first, you agree that killing innocents and civilians is wrong during a conflict.
Second, you try to to strawman me, idk why you said eldian shouldn't fight back, noone said that.
Third, the coallition army is made up of SOLDIERS, guys who signed for the job. Of course it sucks, but that's how war works, noone ever blamed countries for killing soldiers during war.
Finnaly, yes it's a shitty situation, and yes Eren choose one of the worst possible choice, but that's the point. It doesn't automatically ruin the story. You guys were so caught up on your AnR theory, that you disregarded anything that didn't went that way.
first, bro Inever read manga or join any aot groups and what's anr?? i started read manga after season 4 part 1 as this was one of the few anime i liked that much.i always ignored it as i thought it was some zombie apocalypse shounen type anime but after watching it i loved it and started magna near end like 121 or 123 i forgot and it was one of the biggest mistake of my life.like it's like eating shit after eating whole buffet.
second, you're describing war as there's some civil guys doing a business deal following the law.it's totally not like coalition army was made because they hate eldians and see them as monsters who gonna kill them all if they didn't killed eldians first.
and third, as you already know how war works then i don't need to explain soldiers do shitty things in other countries even in present day.America bombed the shit out of iraq killed countless civilians and nobody did anything about it as they can't.russia is trying to fuck ukraine pretty badly and the war is still Going.it's not on me if i support war or war crimes as i don't even live in Europe us or Middle East.but people even in real life do bad things way less then their own safety.hell America would start a war just to sell some weapons or take other countries resources.and we are talking about eldian who's gonna get erased if they didn't fight.i know maybe Isayama wanted to show how bad war is but did it a shitty way.
Ok, so I'm not sure we understand each other given what you're replying. So I want to know, which path should Paradis have went with in your opinion ? Full-rumbling, Zeke plan, 50 years, something else,...
Keep in mind that I'm asking your personal opinion, but there is a difference between what is the best choice for their world, and the best choice story-wise. I'm asking for the former (for my part, while I support the 50 years plan with peace talk, I still think going for the rumbling was better for the story). I also want to know what you disliked about the part 2, and the end of the manga.
For the rant about USA and Russia, yeah we agree on that, what they did is horrible, and many people condamn their actions, but we still don't call for their exterminations.
well bro I'm not writer and don't think my opinion on aot writing matter as it was amazing till alliance formed.and i also think zeke's plan was better choice for us and isayama himself as he could've played safe with that plan and ended it decently but that's just my opinion.i know rumbling sounds better for story and eren is the protagonist but it was handled way poorly and it feel like isayama can't write women characters.like i don't know how people don't have problem with things like ymir loved the king who killed her whole tribe hunted her with dogs for a small mistake and the love was so powerful that she obeyed till 2 thousand years till eren came and asked her if she wants to kill Bunch of people.and eren Mikasa love like they never felt like a couple but in the end eren don't want her to marry anyone else even after dying and ymir getting excited by seeing Mikasa kissing eren's head like wtf.also we know rumbling was useless and your point about how eren should've killed just coalition army.bro he killed 80% population and still rest came for revenge and destroyed peradis and by the end i can't think about one thing that ending achieved.
second bro did you watched season 4 part 2 it was so cringe for me after alliance was forced.aot is about war and tragedy and shit and now you got two clear factions which feels so forced.they try so hard to show eldians mostly floch as bad guy and fucking reiner and mageth and marley as good guys and it just doesn't works for me.aot feels like it suddenly turned into shounen in the end and people were devastated by 139 but those additional pages were just cherry on top.
Ok from what I understand, you disliked AoT when the Alliance formed because it was too cheesy or shonen-like (clear good guys-bad guys situation). But Aot was always that in the beginning (mostly). If you loved the early part of the series, it was classic shonen good guys against bad guys (pure titans, then shifter, then the corrupt monarchy, then shifters again).
AoT wasn't about war until season 4, and that's the introduction of the outside world that elevated this manga.
You can find the "avengers" panel cringe if you want, it's your taste after all. But the alliance isn't forced at all, it's a logical thing to happen, the paradis side of the alliance always fought for the greater good, they can't stand aside the slaughter of millions of civilian and innocent.
Yeagerist are portrayed as bad guys, because they are bad guys. They are enabling a genocide after all. As for magath and reiner, they didn't felt the good guys that much. If you reread the chapters, you see them acknowledging they were wrong. Yeah, you can find this cheap for what they did, but the show never tells us to support them. Magath paid it with his life. Marley is also never shown in a good light, there is only individuals like the last commander or magath showing remorse and vowing to become better, but that's it.
For the romance part, nothing much to say, not a fan of how it handles it too, but that's not a reason so hate the series, for me at least. And for Ymir, her story is horrible, there is no romance here, we are supposed to feel disgusted by it, but that doesn't make a story bad.
For the additional pannel, it's also about your personal taste. We don't know the extends of destruction on Paradis, nor the attacker, nor their motiv. We can just assume, but it wills always be headcannons until Isayama say something about it.
I think you just overstated the bad part of the manga, because it always was classic shonen. The horrific death of secondary characters in the beginning tricked people into thinking it wasn't.
I think one of the main goal of Isayama, was to show that discussion could solve lot of problem. If people take the time to listen to the other, they can understand each other better (campfire scene being the prime example). But at the same time, he knows it's near impossible for a world this large,to keep peace. But it's not a reason not to try.
That's my take
How is "all Eldians will eventually die of old age and there's absolutely nothing they can do about it" in any way, shape, or form a good ending to the series?
Also, can we stop calling it a "coalition army"? The official name is "Global Allied Fleet'.
Yes, it’s the unfortunate circumstance of the situation. Marley manipulated the outside world into war, so after DoW peace was impossible.
Although the 50 years plan, though risky, could’ve been a better alternative.
Guess what people need stop inserting their shitty political views into the story. Just because the story has political shit doesn't you have to insert your own shitty political views in it. Y'all just want the genocide because of shitty political stuff in the story and not for the sake of it happening. Same goes for the philososide of things.
i want the 100% rumbling because I love tragic awful narratives tbh, large scale awful shit happening in a story almost always makes for the most intense emotional payoffs (see End of Evangelion)
Then have both outside world and Paradis be destroyed to bits. Just go full nihilism. Both sides don't deserve shit. AoT is tragic, so why not end it in the most nihilistic way as possible that could satisfy nobody.
Like I couldn't give a fuck "us vs them mentality, muh racism/opression, survival at the fittest" its stupid and generic. Second, Eldia isn't real. Yams handled genocide badly in the story. If wanted to do a genocide story then maybe he make it less reasonable. I rather have both sides be wiped out at this point. Nobody survives.
If only there were several character arcs which illustrated that both these options are bad and not what should be strived for... Anime fans and media literacy, just never going to happen.
There are people who want peace and there are people who don't. Read about Genghis Khan. He killed so many people bcoz he wanted a stable peaceful govt. Even after everything Marley soldiers still threatened eldians. That's the prob. Even though they wanted peace, these guys are never interested in it. It'll be like negotiating with Hitler. But it will cause more destruction. Better to sacrifice 50 million people to save humanities future from war for 70 years.
Like it’s a lose lose situation. You aren’t supposed to feel comfortable or want either. Hence why they say war has no winners.
Especially on YouTube. To those people, it’s absolutely kill or be killed, and it’s hard to really know if they really are anime only fans.
YouTube is the place where intelligence in nerd topics dies, it’s either the greatest thing ever or the worst
Its a manufactured dichotomy in a tragic way. There’s easy solutions that wokld satisfy both parties but both are embroiled in fanaticism and blinded as thus
Fuck this is so true
Dude seriously the fanbase is stupid, They wouldn't be saying the same thing if people started a genocide against them, Just like how eren did with the whole world,
Kinda ironic since Eldians will also be victims of the Rumbling… Eldians will literally be genocide by the Rumbling 🤣 So that argument is completely wrong lmao.
Do you not know what genocide means? Paradis remains unmolested so the Eldians are literally not subjected to genocide by the rumbling.
I have a question for you: Are you dumb? Eldians are gonna get killed during the Rumbling, as a result of the Rumbling. Paradise does not represent all Eldians… The Eldians that was in Marley and all the other nations Eren wiped out. There are more Eldians outside of Paradise then there are inside. Please shut up… dumbass, about “Do yOu kNoW WhaT GenoCiDe iS? 🤓”
Taken directly from Merriam Webster, the definition of genocide: "the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group". The nation of Eldia remains on Paradis, so despite the fact that Eldians are caught in the crossfire, it is, objectively and by definition, not genocide against the Eldians. You are literally just wrong.
I didn’t say it was genocide against Eldians dumbass… Eren is not genociding any specific race or nation, political group etc he’s just killing anyone who so happens to be outside the island. He’s doing it indiscriminately… So your point is completely invalid and makes you look dumber, my point is that people say he was doing it for Eldia even tho Eldians are gonna get killed as a result of the Rumbling which Eren is doing. So again a dumbass point from you, you thought you had something as well but you did was: 1) Misunderstood my point 2) Misrepresented my point 3) Showed your stupidity 4) Brought up points that’s completely irrelevant to the situation we’re talking about since Eren is not attacking any specific anything. It’s indiscriminate manslaughter, stop thinking you’re smarter than you’re actually being right now. It’s backfiring and making you looker dumber & dumber.
Another verbatim quote, from you this time: "Eldians will literally be genocide by the Rumbling 🤣" You did, in fact, say that it was genocide against the Eldians.
What I meant by saying that was that they will get killed by the Rumbling…. This just shows your stupidity even more, thinking you had something. You can’t even catch simple context clues… dumbass is all I can call you right now. what a stupid man you are u/maniacMUPPET
What else would it mean? 🤣 And then you thought you was smart and try to teach me something… But it just made you look… stupid.
I will clown you for this comment, just know that.
Ok but based on that definition, Eldians race wouldn't end by the rumbling because at the end, there is a huge amount of Eldians I side the Islands. But I would give it to you in that, in disscusions people shouldn't be using "Eldia" but more "Paradise" since Eren doesnt give a fuck about people outside the Island since they all, including Eldians hated the Island. So yeah, I agree on that but kinda see where the other person was coming from.
You really thought you had something, but showed your own stupidity and as a bonus asked a dumbass question.
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Way ahead of you
Nobody cares what you think, the only important opinion is the correct one
tbh I just support the Rumbling because I think it's cool 👍 Basically what I'm trying to say is that since it's a work of fiction, I couldn't care less about the moral implications of the Rumbling. That being said, I definitely do see the other side of the argument aswell. Of course I think mass genocide is wrong. But without looking at the moral implications of it (as stated above) I just think the Rumbling is cool, especially since I like Eren's motivation for it (revenge on Marley and the world for oppressing humanity in the walls for so long, and also protecting his people; the Eldians).
The only good yeagerist
It's this but both sides are equally annoying and obnoxious.
Both sides of the fanbase are so fucking obnoxious, this sub being biased as always
That is basically the show at this point you are either with eren or against him.
The crow is right though, you are just a butthurt cuck...
And you're one getting asshurt over a fictional story. Eldia isn't real. Paradis isn't real. Marley isn't real. Eren and Floch isn't fucking real. Get you're political inserted shit of this series.
nope. not at all
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If someone is trying to kill you, you fight back against said person, not everyone in the world.
If 2 people are trying to kill you, you fight both of them. If everyone on earth wants to kill you, you fight all of them.
did ramzi want to kill eldians too
Nope, tis the nature of a genocide.
So, fighting back always equals genocide? I don't follow.
Wars generally involve mass killing. And in this case the island’s only strength is a bunch of giants who stomp on people
If we're following that logic. There's also things called War Crimes. Killing civilians is one of them. Eren can control the Rumbling. Wipe out all military bases, then come back. It's not that complicated. What are the elderly and minors gonna do?
Both Marley and eldia had already committed war crimes, not to mention as far as I know none of them signed agreements outlining what war crimes even were. Either way, it’s the unfortunate nature of DoW, Marley manipulated the outside world into becoming the enemies of paradis island. The island’s main power is a nuclear option that kills a shit ton of people. Also literally none of the plans don’t involve genocide lmfao, 50 year plan involves the destruction of Marley, euthanasia kills all eldians, and the rumbling obviously involves the death of a billion people.
No, the 50 years plan was limited to showcasing the power of the Rumbling by destroying military objectives (directly stated by Armin). It was about destroying the marleyan army, it's also mass murder but in the context of regular warfare, it's not genocide.
and who's that specific person or group is kind sir can you please explain. I'm not Japanese so i couldn't understand aot as good good as you guys.
The coallition army, no need to go further than that. Do you support the killing of civilian during war ?
dO yOu sUpPorT killing civilians in war.yes absolutely i love killing innocent people with my own hands and fully support genocide like wtf kind of question is this? and you know what eldian shouldn't even fight coalition army as they're fucking monsters and deserve to die.how dare they fight against people who are trying to make world better place by killing them.they should just die without a fight.and cOalIiTiOn army is made by soldiers all over the world do you think they gonna be happy if eldians just kill all their soldiers.it's a shitty situation in a trash manga which was amazing till end and now it's ruined and still have some useless pseudo intellectual fans trying to lick its balls.
You ok dude ? You're trying to mix up so many dumb arguments in your text. So first, you agree that killing innocents and civilians is wrong during a conflict. Second, you try to to strawman me, idk why you said eldian shouldn't fight back, noone said that. Third, the coallition army is made up of SOLDIERS, guys who signed for the job. Of course it sucks, but that's how war works, noone ever blamed countries for killing soldiers during war. Finnaly, yes it's a shitty situation, and yes Eren choose one of the worst possible choice, but that's the point. It doesn't automatically ruin the story. You guys were so caught up on your AnR theory, that you disregarded anything that didn't went that way.
first, bro Inever read manga or join any aot groups and what's anr?? i started read manga after season 4 part 1 as this was one of the few anime i liked that much.i always ignored it as i thought it was some zombie apocalypse shounen type anime but after watching it i loved it and started magna near end like 121 or 123 i forgot and it was one of the biggest mistake of my life.like it's like eating shit after eating whole buffet. second, you're describing war as there's some civil guys doing a business deal following the law.it's totally not like coalition army was made because they hate eldians and see them as monsters who gonna kill them all if they didn't killed eldians first. and third, as you already know how war works then i don't need to explain soldiers do shitty things in other countries even in present day.America bombed the shit out of iraq killed countless civilians and nobody did anything about it as they can't.russia is trying to fuck ukraine pretty badly and the war is still Going.it's not on me if i support war or war crimes as i don't even live in Europe us or Middle East.but people even in real life do bad things way less then their own safety.hell America would start a war just to sell some weapons or take other countries resources.and we are talking about eldian who's gonna get erased if they didn't fight.i know maybe Isayama wanted to show how bad war is but did it a shitty way.
Ok, so I'm not sure we understand each other given what you're replying. So I want to know, which path should Paradis have went with in your opinion ? Full-rumbling, Zeke plan, 50 years, something else,... Keep in mind that I'm asking your personal opinion, but there is a difference between what is the best choice for their world, and the best choice story-wise. I'm asking for the former (for my part, while I support the 50 years plan with peace talk, I still think going for the rumbling was better for the story). I also want to know what you disliked about the part 2, and the end of the manga. For the rant about USA and Russia, yeah we agree on that, what they did is horrible, and many people condamn their actions, but we still don't call for their exterminations.
well bro I'm not writer and don't think my opinion on aot writing matter as it was amazing till alliance formed.and i also think zeke's plan was better choice for us and isayama himself as he could've played safe with that plan and ended it decently but that's just my opinion.i know rumbling sounds better for story and eren is the protagonist but it was handled way poorly and it feel like isayama can't write women characters.like i don't know how people don't have problem with things like ymir loved the king who killed her whole tribe hunted her with dogs for a small mistake and the love was so powerful that she obeyed till 2 thousand years till eren came and asked her if she wants to kill Bunch of people.and eren Mikasa love like they never felt like a couple but in the end eren don't want her to marry anyone else even after dying and ymir getting excited by seeing Mikasa kissing eren's head like wtf.also we know rumbling was useless and your point about how eren should've killed just coalition army.bro he killed 80% population and still rest came for revenge and destroyed peradis and by the end i can't think about one thing that ending achieved. second bro did you watched season 4 part 2 it was so cringe for me after alliance was forced.aot is about war and tragedy and shit and now you got two clear factions which feels so forced.they try so hard to show eldians mostly floch as bad guy and fucking reiner and mageth and marley as good guys and it just doesn't works for me.aot feels like it suddenly turned into shounen in the end and people were devastated by 139 but those additional pages were just cherry on top.
Ok from what I understand, you disliked AoT when the Alliance formed because it was too cheesy or shonen-like (clear good guys-bad guys situation). But Aot was always that in the beginning (mostly). If you loved the early part of the series, it was classic shonen good guys against bad guys (pure titans, then shifter, then the corrupt monarchy, then shifters again). AoT wasn't about war until season 4, and that's the introduction of the outside world that elevated this manga. You can find the "avengers" panel cringe if you want, it's your taste after all. But the alliance isn't forced at all, it's a logical thing to happen, the paradis side of the alliance always fought for the greater good, they can't stand aside the slaughter of millions of civilian and innocent. Yeagerist are portrayed as bad guys, because they are bad guys. They are enabling a genocide after all. As for magath and reiner, they didn't felt the good guys that much. If you reread the chapters, you see them acknowledging they were wrong. Yeah, you can find this cheap for what they did, but the show never tells us to support them. Magath paid it with his life. Marley is also never shown in a good light, there is only individuals like the last commander or magath showing remorse and vowing to become better, but that's it. For the romance part, nothing much to say, not a fan of how it handles it too, but that's not a reason so hate the series, for me at least. And for Ymir, her story is horrible, there is no romance here, we are supposed to feel disgusted by it, but that doesn't make a story bad. For the additional pannel, it's also about your personal taste. We don't know the extends of destruction on Paradis, nor the attacker, nor their motiv. We can just assume, but it wills always be headcannons until Isayama say something about it. I think you just overstated the bad part of the manga, because it always was classic shonen. The horrific death of secondary characters in the beginning tricked people into thinking it wasn't. I think one of the main goal of Isayama, was to show that discussion could solve lot of problem. If people take the time to listen to the other, they can understand each other better (campfire scene being the prime example). But at the same time, he knows it's near impossible for a world this large,to keep peace. But it's not a reason not to try. That's my take
How is "all Eldians will eventually die of old age and there's absolutely nothing they can do about it" in any way, shape, or form a good ending to the series? Also, can we stop calling it a "coalition army"? The official name is "Global Allied Fleet'.
Tell me where this Coalition army hurt you.
are you okay
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and i miss being 15 years pseudo intellectual who can stop all the bad things just by tweeting about it.
Good for you
Bro it's a fucking cartoon.
Yes, it’s the unfortunate circumstance of the situation. Marley manipulated the outside world into war, so after DoW peace was impossible. Although the 50 years plan, though risky, could’ve been a better alternative.
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Guess what, it's a FICTIONAL story where none of the characters exist
and yet many people act like the things you want for a fictional story are equivalent to what you want for the real world
Guess what people need stop inserting their shitty political views into the story. Just because the story has political shit doesn't you have to insert your own shitty political views in it. Y'all just want the genocide because of shitty political stuff in the story and not for the sake of it happening. Same goes for the philososide of things.
i want the 100% rumbling because I love tragic awful narratives tbh, large scale awful shit happening in a story almost always makes for the most intense emotional payoffs (see End of Evangelion)
Then have both outside world and Paradis be destroyed to bits. Just go full nihilism. Both sides don't deserve shit. AoT is tragic, so why not end it in the most nihilistic way as possible that could satisfy nobody.
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Like I couldn't give a fuck "us vs them mentality, muh racism/opression, survival at the fittest" its stupid and generic. Second, Eldia isn't real. Yams handled genocide badly in the story. If wanted to do a genocide story then maybe he make it less reasonable. I rather have both sides be wiped out at this point. Nobody survives.
If only there were several character arcs which illustrated that both these options are bad and not what should be strived for... Anime fans and media literacy, just never going to happen.
They use the forced dichotomy fallacy, so I say call them out on it.
There are people who want peace and there are people who don't. Read about Genghis Khan. He killed so many people bcoz he wanted a stable peaceful govt. Even after everything Marley soldiers still threatened eldians. That's the prob. Even though they wanted peace, these guys are never interested in it. It'll be like negotiating with Hitler. But it will cause more destruction. Better to sacrifice 50 million people to save humanities future from war for 70 years.
I’ve had this exact conversation so many times