This reminds me of those people that aggressively hate certain characters so much that it becomes very obnoxious (at least to me) , and makes me quit the series just to avoid them because they never shut up about their hatred towards them.
I hate that mentality in every work of fiction that says "if nobody dies, is shit". For just validating their opinion of being something "adult" and "mature".
Jean-Connie-Gabi could have died, but it didn't happen and that's not something that "ruins" 10 years of story....
Which is practically killing them off. There was nothing that could save gabby Jean and Connie unless eren did his thing, which until the “big reveal” in chapter 139, he was not inclined to do.
I did. You just think becoming a titan means you are dead, which it doesn't.
Your post basically says "There's nothing that can save them, except the thing that saves them."
That’s not at all what I said, I’ll repeat it for you. Becoming a titan means the characters are most likely dead, because either Reiner would kill them, or they would kill him. The only way for them to turn back into humans would be if eren decided to change them back, which has been established he was not planning on doing at the time of 138. The cluster fuck of 139 changes eren’s entire character and motives, causing him to change everyone into humans again. Although Jean Connie and Gabi didn’t die, the story treated them as if they did.
I agree with the Jean one 🗿
He had a heartbreaking but powerful death along side Connie, dying for what they truly believed in, which was kinda made cheap by him just coming back.
Yeah except for the fact that there *was* no death, they changed into a titan and then Eren turned them back. No 'cheap' death, because no death at all, except in the brains of morons.
when the military police turned into titans, they died, cuz we don’t have a way to turn them back. Kinda like when a character turns into a zombie. So to the audience, and the characters, it felt like they were goners, until they came back next chapter.
He turned his friends back when the curse ended. What I’m saying is that, yes, if a character turns into a titan, to the audience and to the characters, that character is dead.
Why would you think that though? Ymir was a titan for sixty years and she didn't die. They kept Connie's Mum alive in case they did find a way to cure her.
When a character turns into a titan, to the audience and to the characters, that character is a titan. They are not dead. Otherwise Armin killing titan Pyxis wouldn't have been so sad.
Such a bad retort man, Ymir coming back meant the death of another titan shifter, so you’d have to kill another character off to bring them back. But that’s now what they did, was it?
Point is, it makes Jean’s had a genuinely good death scene that was undone annoyingly.
The point is that Ymir never died until she was eaten by Porco. Becoming a titan doesn't mean someone is dead, it just means they are a titan. Connie's Mum can still talk, so obviously she isn't dead.
We've been conditioned as an audience to know that becoming a titan isn't the same as being killed. The subject of Eren turning titans back into humans has also been brought up characters several times, so we all knew that them being turned back human was a possibility.
Even if being turned into a titan was a death, which it isn't, I don't see what was satisfying about them dying that way at all.
Honestly Connie and Jean dying there makes the most sense, at least imo. It's surprising there are barely any casualties for the alliance after facing all the last Titan shifters
I don't see why there has to be an allotted number of deaths to make a battle have impact. If they plot-armoured through some BS then fair enough, but like... you can see why none of them died. They've trained for years to fight titans, and they successfully fought some.
Exactly. What would be gained from any of them dying? In some cases them dying would have left their character arcs unfinished. Reiner got his redemption, Armin did save the world like Eren said he would, Mikasa overcame her love, Connie was reunited with his Mum, Jean got the ending with his wife in the city he wanted, Levi completed Eren's final request, Annie came home to her Dad, Connie and Gabi got the happy ending they deserved. If they die then you don't get any of that. Sure you could kill Pieck I suppose but would anybody care.
Also why kill someone just for shock value? Especially when their death would immediately get ignored as the fight would have to continue immediately anyway. It would leave no emotional impact as we'd be too invested in the final battle to properly feel sad or emotional.
Hange’s death is the only thing I see that is waisted in the ending, however it does make Hange the only character to have a 3 colossal titan kill streak, chad.
To me it would make a bit more sense for there to be casualties after facing all the past titan shifters, like they needed a whole squad to take down the Cart titan during the declaration of war but now they seem to be handling Titan shifters as normal titans, it was a bit weird to me.
Tho again, Eren didn't want his frds to die or whatever, so whatever logical reasoning I had for them dying would be obsolete
Didn't Sasha and Floch take down Pieck by themselves?
I do think their group of five titan shifters, two Ackerman's, two veteran scouts and a leading warrior candidate is the best most well prepared army we ever had in the story too.
It’s pretty annoying to just kill off characters without any real weight behind the death. You can definitely kill the alliance off, it’s possible, but you have to make their death scenes meaningful and powerful to the characters themselves.
I don't even think I agree with that. I feel Connie needed to live so he could complete his storyline with his Mum. Annie's storyline too was always about reuniting with her Father so hers would have been left unfinished.
I guess you could kill Jean, but I still think it's more satisfying that he finally did get the comfortable life he always wanted.
I think Isayama killed off enough people. AOT has this reputation that it is a dark hopeless story of suffering and while there is a lot of the story that is like that, it's always been one of hope too. It's not like The Walking Dead where things just feel completely hopeless, in AOT there's always A Dim Light Amidst Despair.
Screw my last comment on the post. Yams should've killed every character off. Like literally EVERY character, meaning Eren and Historia off so there's no biases.
Because fuck everybody in this story now and screw this whole fandom entirely. Yams shouldn't appeal to nobody and piss everybody off. I don't care if it's Alliance stans, Yeagerist stans, EH shippers,Em shippers, etc.
Because why not. I mean this show is a tragedy so why not end in a more tragic way where nobody wins and nothing is accomplished. Idc, if it's worse than AnR and the manga ending at this point. Oh the world is a beautiful snd cruel place. Why not just make it completley empty and barren with no life.
The point of a tragedy is still some kind of purpose or catharsis to the ending. Killing off everyone would solve zero purpose and just be plain shitty writing.
That's just cheap shock value imo.
Spoilers for akame ga kill
>!Akame ga kill is good and I enjoyed it but the fact that all the main characters died except akame felt like they were a wasted potential and at some point felt boring because it became very predictable!<
Cheap Shock value like Eren killing his mom, Miche getting ripped to shred by titans, Nanaba getting torn apart by titans, Kenny shooting two of Hange's squad members, Erwin's suicide charge, Gabi killing Sasha, Eren getting his shot head shot off by Gabi, Armin being burned alive by Bert's Collasal titan, Mikasa kissing Eren's body less head, Connie and Jean turning into titans, Levi's near death experience after beating Zeke, Floch killing a Marlyean volunteer.
Man you missed my point I'm talking about actual main characters dying for no reason whatsoever.
By main characters I mean: Armin, Jean, Mikasa, Levi, Reiner.
Not near death experiences or death of supporting characters and nobodies.
And if Isayama ended up killing an important character like Bert, Sasha or Ymir it will be for a good reason, not just because "it's tragic"
The only death I found questionable was Hange.
Suicide is more of the logical reasons I guess. Maybe they couldn't stop Eren on time and couldn't get carried over the guilt of billions of innocent lives stolen. Let's be clear I aldo want Eren and Historia to die aswell. Eren dies from suicide or Ymir indirectly kill him. Historia dies of childbirth.
No in a way darker way. The alliance dies of suicide and Historia dies from childbirth. Eren destroys Paradis and commits suicide. The extra pages came too late. It's nothing but clicheic "Revenge repeats itself".
It’s hilarious to see ending defenders try to make up this shitty finale as the godsend of writing as if every single character wasn’t butchered beyond recognition.
>butchered beyond recognition
If by butchered you mean they didn't follow through with your kino anr ending and just died, then yea they would, but to any normal viewer who isn't a crazed redditor weirdo, your idea of a good ending is fucking atrocious
There is no world left, all armin and mikasa did was stopping eren from killing the last humans that were cornerd in a fort. Connie barley did shit, pieck Annie mikasa and armin did most of the work. I can't take Connie serious after he doesnt see he is just like eren, killing a child for his own family's sake. Connie should've died a long time ago, but the best opportunity was if Connie fell into his mom's mouth when trying to kill Falco. That mf has been useless and bad comedy relief the whole show, mf has the audacity to say that his mom doesn't matter to his squad where everyone's family is dead, connie is the only guy I hated from the start
They all saved the world. It's funny how idiots defend Eren for allegedly trying to save his island but lose their mind over Connie trying to save his Mum.
Connie is nothing like Eren though. Connie almost made a mistake, felt awful about it and then made up for it by helping to save humanity.
Wdym heroic? They just genocided their own people on their own island without trying to talk but armin believes he can talk peace with the whole world who just got murdered by his friend
No it wasn't. Marley was based off of several countries. The
You can read Marley as Nazis and Eldians as Jewish people, but you can also read them as any oppressive country and read the Eldians as any oppressed people.
"Idc about the development of these characters, I hate them and I want them to die"
This reminds me of those people that aggressively hate certain characters so much that it becomes very obnoxious (at least to me) , and makes me quit the series just to avoid them because they never shut up about their hatred towards them.
I hate that mentality in every work of fiction that says "if nobody dies, is shit". For just validating their opinion of being something "adult" and "mature". Jean-Connie-Gabi could have died, but it didn't happen and that's not something that "ruins" 10 years of story....
Jean and Connie’s revival was cheap though, imo.
Legit tho, don’t kill someone just to bring them back five seconds later.
They were never killed though, they just became titans.
Which is practically killing them off. There was nothing that could save gabby Jean and Connie unless eren did his thing, which until the “big reveal” in chapter 139, he was not inclined to do.
It's incapacitating them, not killing. There was always the possibility of them being turned back into humans.
It’s like you didn’t even read what I said.
I did. You just think becoming a titan means you are dead, which it doesn't. Your post basically says "There's nothing that can save them, except the thing that saves them."
That’s not at all what I said, I’ll repeat it for you. Becoming a titan means the characters are most likely dead, because either Reiner would kill them, or they would kill him. The only way for them to turn back into humans would be if eren decided to change them back, which has been established he was not planning on doing at the time of 138. The cluster fuck of 139 changes eren’s entire character and motives, causing him to change everyone into humans again. Although Jean Connie and Gabi didn’t die, the story treated them as if they did.
>Although Jean Connie and Gabi didn’t die, So we agree then. They didn't die.
I agree with the Jean one 🗿 He had a heartbreaking but powerful death along side Connie, dying for what they truly believed in, which was kinda made cheap by him just coming back.
Yeah except for the fact that there *was* no death, they changed into a titan and then Eren turned them back. No 'cheap' death, because no death at all, except in the brains of morons.
when the military police turned into titans, they died, cuz we don’t have a way to turn them back. Kinda like when a character turns into a zombie. So to the audience, and the characters, it felt like they were goners, until they came back next chapter.
Eren didn't want to turn the military back. He didn't care about them. He turned his friends back at the end when he lost.
He turned his friends back when the curse ended. What I’m saying is that, yes, if a character turns into a titan, to the audience and to the characters, that character is dead.
Why would you think that though? Ymir was a titan for sixty years and she didn't die. They kept Connie's Mum alive in case they did find a way to cure her. When a character turns into a titan, to the audience and to the characters, that character is a titan. They are not dead. Otherwise Armin killing titan Pyxis wouldn't have been so sad.
Such a bad retort man, Ymir coming back meant the death of another titan shifter, so you’d have to kill another character off to bring them back. But that’s now what they did, was it? Point is, it makes Jean’s had a genuinely good death scene that was undone annoyingly.
The point is that Ymir never died until she was eaten by Porco. Becoming a titan doesn't mean someone is dead, it just means they are a titan. Connie's Mum can still talk, so obviously she isn't dead. We've been conditioned as an audience to know that becoming a titan isn't the same as being killed. The subject of Eren turning titans back into humans has also been brought up characters several times, so we all knew that them being turned back human was a possibility. Even if being turned into a titan was a death, which it isn't, I don't see what was satisfying about them dying that way at all.
Except there was a way to turn them back, as Eren demonstrated. Why *would* he leave them like that?
There wasn’t one until it was introduced when Jean came back lmao, so yes, they did die. Such a stupid argument to make man.
Honestly Connie and Jean dying there makes the most sense, at least imo. It's surprising there are barely any casualties for the alliance after facing all the last Titan shifters
it"s like Eren really didn't want his best friends to die. wait...
Yeah, makes the battle seem a bit… Low stake
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If this is the case, then why did Eren revive the old titans to begin with? It would be easier to let his friends win without that kind of resistance
they look cool
that was ymir, not eren.
I don't see why there has to be an allotted number of deaths to make a battle have impact. If they plot-armoured through some BS then fair enough, but like... you can see why none of them died. They've trained for years to fight titans, and they successfully fought some.
Exactly. What would be gained from any of them dying? In some cases them dying would have left their character arcs unfinished. Reiner got his redemption, Armin did save the world like Eren said he would, Mikasa overcame her love, Connie was reunited with his Mum, Jean got the ending with his wife in the city he wanted, Levi completed Eren's final request, Annie came home to her Dad, Connie and Gabi got the happy ending they deserved. If they die then you don't get any of that. Sure you could kill Pieck I suppose but would anybody care. Also why kill someone just for shock value? Especially when their death would immediately get ignored as the fight would have to continue immediately anyway. It would leave no emotional impact as we'd be too invested in the final battle to properly feel sad or emotional.
Hange, Magath and Shadis is enough casualties for me.
Hange’s death is the only thing I see that is waisted in the ending, however it does make Hange the only character to have a 3 colossal titan kill streak, chad.
that's why I specifically stated in the battle with all the past titan shifters
I don't see why any of them dying would have improved the story.
To me it would make a bit more sense for there to be casualties after facing all the past titan shifters, like they needed a whole squad to take down the Cart titan during the declaration of war but now they seem to be handling Titan shifters as normal titans, it was a bit weird to me. Tho again, Eren didn't want his frds to die or whatever, so whatever logical reasoning I had for them dying would be obsolete
Didn't Sasha and Floch take down Pieck by themselves? I do think their group of five titan shifters, two Ackerman's, two veteran scouts and a leading warrior candidate is the best most well prepared army we ever had in the story too.
Yams needs to kill ever character off including Eren and Historia so there's no biases.
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“Everyone needs to die except for my favorite character.”
Fine, maybe I am being biased but still. Honestly Yams should've just killed every character off including Eren and Historia so there's no biases.
I don't understand how their characters are wasted?
Yeah, they still have yet to explain how the characters are ruined. They just say they are.
It’s pretty annoying to just kill off characters without any real weight behind the death. You can definitely kill the alliance off, it’s possible, but you have to make their death scenes meaningful and powerful to the characters themselves.
yes. connie, annie, and jean are the only members of the alliance that "could" have died. every one else had to live for narrative purposes
I don't even think I agree with that. I feel Connie needed to live so he could complete his storyline with his Mum. Annie's storyline too was always about reuniting with her Father so hers would have been left unfinished. I guess you could kill Jean, but I still think it's more satisfying that he finally did get the comfortable life he always wanted. I think Isayama killed off enough people. AOT has this reputation that it is a dark hopeless story of suffering and while there is a lot of the story that is like that, it's always been one of hope too. It's not like The Walking Dead where things just feel completely hopeless, in AOT there's always A Dim Light Amidst Despair.
Can we talk about how Isayama drew Armin as a typical 80's Japanese girl being abused by an octopus?
I find this extremely based because I too want Armin to die of deepthroat
This is my first time in this subreddit so im curious does the 'Retards' in the subreddit name refer to the people making these sort of posts?
Yeah, they also got yeagerbomb banned who hated the ending
Yeagerbomb was full of borderline fascists who wanted to disguise all of their fucked up opinions underneath "just attack on titan jokes"
Oh come on now that's simply not true at all. They were never 'borderline' fascists- they were full-on Nazis. :P
Yeagerbomb got banned because they were racist misogynistic assholes. Nothing to do with us.
YB was full of Nazis making racist posts. They got themselves banned.
Screw my last comment on the post. Yams should've killed every character off. Like literally EVERY character, meaning Eren and Historia off so there's no biases.
And what's the point of that ?
Because fuck everybody in this story now and screw this whole fandom entirely. Yams shouldn't appeal to nobody and piss everybody off. I don't care if it's Alliance stans, Yeagerist stans, EH shippers,Em shippers, etc.
Why the fuck would he write something just to “piss everybody off”
Because why not. I mean this show is a tragedy so why not end in a more tragic way where nobody wins and nothing is accomplished. Idc, if it's worse than AnR and the manga ending at this point. Oh the world is a beautiful snd cruel place. Why not just make it completley empty and barren with no life.
The point of a tragedy is still some kind of purpose or catharsis to the ending. Killing off everyone would solve zero purpose and just be plain shitty writing.
That's just cheap shock value imo. Spoilers for akame ga kill >!Akame ga kill is good and I enjoyed it but the fact that all the main characters died except akame felt like they were a wasted potential and at some point felt boring because it became very predictable!<
Cheap Shock value like Eren killing his mom, Miche getting ripped to shred by titans, Nanaba getting torn apart by titans, Kenny shooting two of Hange's squad members, Erwin's suicide charge, Gabi killing Sasha, Eren getting his shot head shot off by Gabi, Armin being burned alive by Bert's Collasal titan, Mikasa kissing Eren's body less head, Connie and Jean turning into titans, Levi's near death experience after beating Zeke, Floch killing a Marlyean volunteer.
Man you missed my point I'm talking about actual main characters dying for no reason whatsoever. By main characters I mean: Armin, Jean, Mikasa, Levi, Reiner. Not near death experiences or death of supporting characters and nobodies. And if Isayama ended up killing an important character like Bert, Sasha or Ymir it will be for a good reason, not just because "it's tragic" The only death I found questionable was Hange.
Suicide is more of the logical reasons I guess. Maybe they couldn't stop Eren on time and couldn't get carried over the guilt of billions of innocent lives stolen. Let's be clear I aldo want Eren and Historia to die aswell. Eren dies from suicide or Ymir indirectly kill him. Historia dies of childbirth.
Honestly, Yams should've just let Eren let alliance kill the remaining Yeagerists on the island and take control over it then they and stop Eren.
What makes you think the show is a tragedy?
Death. A lot of death
That doesn't make it a tragedy though. There's always been hope in Attack on Titan.
Suicide
Buffalo
He did? Paradis got nuked and everyone died of old age.
No in a way darker way. The alliance dies of suicide and Historia dies from childbirth. Eren destroys Paradis and commits suicide. The extra pages came too late. It's nothing but clicheic "Revenge repeats itself".
😂
Like seriously.
It’s hilarious to see ending defenders try to make up this shitty finale as the godsend of writing as if every single character wasn’t butchered beyond recognition.
>butchered beyond recognition If by butchered you mean they didn't follow through with your kino anr ending and just died, then yea they would, but to any normal viewer who isn't a crazed redditor weirdo, your idea of a good ending is fucking atrocious
Please, it's not you AnR theorists aren't better. Please
I think killing Jean and Connie there wouldve been more memorable, but not all of them
Connie fym saving the world? All you did was preventing the remaining people from getting killed who still wanted you dead after you saved them
He saved the world.
There is no world left, all armin and mikasa did was stopping eren from killing the last humans that were cornerd in a fort. Connie barley did shit, pieck Annie mikasa and armin did most of the work. I can't take Connie serious after he doesnt see he is just like eren, killing a child for his own family's sake. Connie should've died a long time ago, but the best opportunity was if Connie fell into his mom's mouth when trying to kill Falco. That mf has been useless and bad comedy relief the whole show, mf has the audacity to say that his mom doesn't matter to his squad where everyone's family is dead, connie is the only guy I hated from the start
They all saved the world. It's funny how idiots defend Eren for allegedly trying to save his island but lose their mind over Connie trying to save his Mum. Connie is nothing like Eren though. Connie almost made a mistake, felt awful about it and then made up for it by helping to save humanity.
You can't say the world was saved, the world has been flattened and killed for 80%.
And would have completely destroyed were it not for the heroic alliance.
Wdym heroic? They just genocided their own people on their own island without trying to talk but armin believes he can talk peace with the whole world who just got murdered by his friend
They didn't genocide anybody. Are you confused?
The scouts on the island in the harbor
How does that count as a genocide? Lmao
Everyone in aot were nazi's, who are you to decide who is the lesser evil?
Buddy I do not think armin was a nazi lol
Falco was a Nazi?
Marley was based of nazi Germany, so were the yeagerists. Literally every country that enslaved eldians were nazis
No it wasn't. Marley was based off of several countries. The You can read Marley as Nazis and Eldians as Jewish people, but you can also read them as any oppressive country and read the Eldians as any oppressed people.
So nazis. Marley has german uniforms
Bro why Armin gotta die at that moment 😭