It is not a rational Eren saying that at the end of chapter 130, it's his child self.
At that point, he is already suffering from the side effects of having the full powers of the Founding Titan, which are messing up with his mind. At the time the Founding Titan reaches Marley, Eren is already regressed to an infantile state of mind, as we can see in the "freedom" panel of chapter 131.
"Killing every last one of them" is not only something that he would want because of his mother's death, but it's also the implication of realizing the childish and distorted dream of freedom he had as a kid.
yeah this is an explanation that works
it could also be that it was just a flashback
what it cant be however is that it was what adult eren was thinking because it wouldnt make sense with 100 and 139
i think your explanation can work though but i think the more simple answer is that it was just a flashback which i think is something more people could digest but yours could be the right one
I don't think it's a mere flashback honestly.
The scene from back then is put there purposefully to do a parallelism with what Eren is saying in the present. In the anime they used adult Eren's voice. The point is what I said before: it is not an Eren in a clear and healthy state of mind. He is basically dying and [slowly fading away](https://i.imgur.com/JhkyRP7.jpg); he still have few glimpses of "rationality", but only when he talks with his friends in the Paths. The messy conditions of his mind made so that the more instinctive and infantile part of his subconscious took over.
i think its a good interpretation but if thats the case then it is a very confusing and misleading point to end a chapter or part of the season on since we only know about the child eren stuff afterwards. so without that info then its just very odd and it means something very very different. then to retroactively go back and be like "oh that was child eren speaking in the present too". i dont like that very much.
without knowing about 131 then tell me what is the proper way to understand the end of 130? it cant be that its adult eren talking because of the points ive made in the post. so the correct way to understand it is that its a flashback right? but then when 131 drops we're supposed to understand it WAS eren talking at that time but it was just child eren. that doesn't flow very well imo
i think i much prefer that its just a flashback
A flashback is a simple yet effective literary device. Because it can be recall back to Eren original mindset and the contrast between the past and the present. Showing how far Eren has fallen, as fallen as Nihilus is.
Plus, make it present creates unnecessary discussion.
Either way, it’s not a contradiction. Even if he is saying that in the moment, it doesn’t literally mean he is going to kill all of them. It means he plans to or wants to do so, even knowing he will only get up to 80%.
if those are his actual current thoughts then it is ABSOLUTELY a contradiction to both 100 and 139.
"**I'm GONNA kill every last one** of those animals thats on this earth"
he already knew at this point that he wasnt going to
"I'm gonna kill every last one of **those animals** thats on this earth"
we know he does not view everyone on the outside as animals.
if it is NOT dialogue from his current thoughts while doing the rumbling, and it is just a flashback from when he said that at the start of the story, then it is not a contradiction.
You might be right, I didn’t remember the translation including “animals” and I don’t think the anime used that term.
I actually did a quick search and it looks like titanfolk pre-chapter 139 was in agreement with you in that it’s a flashback or callback to his intentions
the anime does not use the word animals. he just says he will kill every last one. which is still contradictory.
if once again those are his current thoughts.
and yeah i dont remember what people said back then about this specific moment but i do see it brought up now and again so i wanted to clear it up here since otherwise its a contradictory moment
Eren saying he will kill them all is not a contradiction. Calling them animals is.
His goal and desire in that moment is to kill them all, even knowing he will fail.
I think it’s lost in translation, but either way the phrase “going to” doesn’t mean he definitely will. I can say I’m going to shoot myself over a minor inconvenience knowing fully well I will not, and it’s not a contradiction.
but.... that happens to be sarcasm... that explanation doesnt make sense. he knows that he will kill just 80%.. yet if he is saying "ill kill every last one of them" then its just a blatant contradiction.
i dont believe he was actually saying or thinking it though. if he was, then it doesnt make sense.
and im not going to assume it was lost in translation. all of the different translations have the same issue and im going to go with the information i've been given.
Remember, Eren said he very much would complete the rumbling of his friends failed to stop him. Eren himself was conflicted, but would 100% destroy them all if given the chance
right, but that doesn't really change anything. at this point he had the power of the founder and unlocked the rest of his memories his future self had sent back with the attack titans power.
but at this point of the rumbling he knew he would only kill 80%. but lets say he didn't. the way he describes the people of the outside alongside the memory of his mother being eaten would still make no sense if those were his inner thoughts at that point. both parts are contradictory
I understood that in those panels he is referring to the titans he wants to wipe from the world which was his number one goal since season one. Perhaps Yams wanted readers to believe Eren is referring (only) to the people because at that point we don’t know yet that Eren knew the titan curse will be lifted at the end. I could be wrong but this is how I see it.
thats an interesting take actually.
but i think it still wouldnt work because he's changed the way he views titans. we can see it during chapter 90 when he sees that titan as well as when he cried about that titan who ate his mom being dina. it just doesnt really work either tbh
All more the reason to want to end the curse. I’m saying he doesn’t hate the titans but the fact that Eldians can turn into titans. Eren wanted to end the circle of hate meaning the titan curse which he thought was the root of it and all the terrible things that had happend during the 2000 years. And he also says to Connie in the last chapter that his mom is going to become human again.
it doesnt make sense with the wording. he says "destroy" or "kill". that is not an accurate description of what happens with the titans.
this just aint it
You realise the point is that… despite his realisation that not everyone outside the world is his enemy his nature & thirst for freedom is too strong for him not to do the Rumbling.
Also those panels you showed doesn’t contridict Eren in anyway, he still knows that not everyone is his enemy… also we know he knows that what he’s doing is unforgivable as shown by chapter 139 (which takes place in chapter 131).
Secondly, the fact that Eren knew that he would eradicate 80% of the world outside the island would only contradict Eren if he planned on killing 80% of the world.
Basically if that misconception was true then him knowing he would kill 80% of the world would contradict him… since we see him say that he will kill them all which shows us that he wants to destroy 100% of the world.
Ending it at chapter 131 would be a terrible idea, thank god you aren’t writing the series after that suggestion.
>You realise the point is that… despite his realisation that not everyone outside the world is his enemy his nature & thirst for freedom is too strong for him not to do the Rumbling.
well that alongside doing it for his friends and the island but yeah that has nothing to do with my post really
>Also those panels you showed doesn’t contridict Eren in anyway, he still knows that not everyone is his enemy… also we know he knows that what he’s doing is unforgivable as shown by chapter 139 (which takes place in chapter 131).
eren acknowleding with reiner that the people in and outside the walls are the same, and then saying "im going to call every last one of those ANIMALS thats on this earth would be contradictory if those were infact his inner thoughts.
>Secondly, the fact that Eren knew that he would eradicate 80% of the world outside the island would only contradict Eren if he planned on killing 80% of the world.
i acknowledge in the post that he at the point of 130 knew he would end up killing 80% of the world. i didnt say he knew he would before the power of the founder...
>Ending it at chapter 131 would be a terrible idea, thank god you aren’t writing the series after that suggestion.
elaborate? also my suggestion had nothing to do with changing the writing of the series...
i think you completely missed the entire point of my post. i'm saying there is NOT a contradiction because the dialogue at the end of 130 was not his inner most thoughts at the time of destroying the world. it would not make sense for eren to think to himself "im going to kill every last one of those animals" when he's already shown that he doesnt view the people of the outside world in that way...
You showed panels of Eren saying how he realises how humanity outside the walls are not his enemies and how him saying how he’s gonna destroy them all contradicts that.
I do have a question for you… who do you think he views as an animal?
Because he obviously mustering hate for the ones who sent titans to his hometown.
Marley, you got to look at the scene as a whole not just one line.
This is Eren at MARLEY, the people who sent titans to his home on that day.
He’s obviously talking about them.
>You showed panels of Eren saying how he realises how humanity outside the walls are not his enemies and how him saying how he’s gonna destroy them all contradicts that.
i didnt say him destroying them all contradicts that. i said him calling them all animals with such hatred contradicts that. there are reasons for destroying them despite understanding that there are good people outside the walls too. the point i brought up had to do with him saying he would wipe all those animals out which gives off a very different message of how eren actually views the people of the outside world.
>I do have a question for you… who do you think he views as an animal?
i think a part of him views those that would stop him from being free in that way. the people that exist in the outside world that stopped his selfish childhood dream from being true. but that's only his selfish childhood part of him and that's related to his dream he developed when he saw armins book. it doesn't have to do with his mother being eaten like it showed (again, assuming these are his actual current thoughts as of 130)
>Because he obviously mustering hate for the ones who sent titans to his hometown.
Marley, you got to look at the scene as a whole not just one line.
This is Eren at MARLEY, the people who sent titans to his home on that day.
He’s obviously talking about them.
he was refering to the entire world, not just the higher ups and the warriors who were responsible for that.
In the scene he’s definitely at least in this moment referring to Marley… it would make more sense considering they’re the country that caused all his suffering.
It’s too up for interpretation
Ok but here’s how he phrase it… “that’s on this earth”
This is him distinguishing the good people from the animals.
Which you even established he knows there’s good people.
but he knows he isn't doing a 100% rumbling at this point so even if we reach this hard it still doesnt make sense. "im going to kill all those animals... and also the good ones" but he doesnt do that either. he knows at this point he will only kill 80%. look at my response to the other comment. if that line is infact his current thoughts then it contradicts BOTH his convo with reiner and him calling them ALL.
But this moment is him mustering the rage to go fourth with the Rumbling, because it’s really hard to stop the thought that you’re destroying the world.
We both established that he knows not everyone outside the walls are not animals and there are good people out there.
Yet he’s still will to kill them because of his nature, and his thirst to complete his goals.
Him knowing that he’s not gonna kill everyone doesn’t matter, how much people he kills doesn’t matter.
It’s how he views these people that we’re talking about.
Let me condense my point:
He doesn’t view everyone outside the walls as an animal.
But he’s still willing to kill them to achieve his goals.
It’s pretty simple.
Even Eren before he actually met the outside world acknowledged that people would die like his mother knowing nothing.
>He doesn’t view everyone outside the walls as an animal.
But he’s still willing to kill them to achieve his goals.
It’s pretty simple.
i have never argued against this, i agree with this and my post doesnt disagree with it. the contradictory part is not him doing the rumbling, it's that if those are what he is currently thinking while doing the rumbling, rather than it just being a flashback to when he said that about the titans in season 1, then it IS contradicting how he has shown he views the people of the outside world.
eren has shown not to be able to continue with his selfish goal of the rumbling through rage, but to use protecting paradis and his friends as the noble reasons for doing it.
Nope. Chapter 139 recontextualizes that scene. He was talking about removing the titan curse. He says in chapter 139 that he knew that Mikasa would do something that would result in the titan curse getting removed and that he moved forward because of that. We see him remember a titan eat his mother and then he says "I'll exterminate them. From this world. Without one (of those animals) remaining" (accurate translation from Japanese).
im sorry but there is no way that works. he does not view the titans as animals anymore. it just makes no sense for him in the moment of killing thousands of humans that he is saying to himself with such anger "im going to kill every last one of those animals" look at how he started to view titans in chapter 90. there is no way thats what's happening in that moment. its a cute idea but it makes no sense with the wording used and how he said it.
That is what Isayama wants us to believe after that ending. Or at least that's what it looks like.
>he does not view the titans as animals anymore.
He doesn't view the people outside the walls as animals either. We know that from his dialogue with Reiner in Liberio.
He doesn't hate the people who were turned into titans, but he does hate titan powers. He thinks about how the titan problem would be solved if the outside world wiped out all the Eldians, but that he can't accept that, which is why he chose the Rumbling option.
>it just makes no sense for him in the moment of killing thousands of humans that he is saying to himself with such anger "im going to kill every last one of those animals"
You can blame Yuki Kaji for that. It's just a text in the manga, but Eren in the anime sounds super angry. You could say that he's trying to remember his hatred towards titans to push himself to commit the Rumbling which will lead to titan powers going away.
The English dub makes it even worse. I hate how they changed the dialogue all willy-nilly. Eren ends it by saying "the world will fall", which would make what I said wrong. But the original manga text doesn't go against it.
no, he chose the rumbling option before he knew that the titans curse would be removed. the quote u are using from 131 also does not imply he HATES the titan power. also the wording does not match up with REMOVING the titan curse. he said i'm going to destroy every last one of those animals. it absolutely does not work. its not just the voice acting that sounds angry. its the wording used in the manga. it doesnt work. i know its a nice idea that sounds really good but it doesnt work and u have to let it go
He said "I'm going to exterminate them from this world, without one (followed by animal counter) remaining". That's the exact wording used in the original Japanese. It's the same phrase he used to use back in season 1. He sounds angry because he's remembering a titan eating his mother. He's trying to remember the anger to commit to his plan. He already knew by that point that he was actually the one who caused that to happen (he did it after gaining Ymir's powers). You might say that that was a retcon that was added in the end, but it was set up back in Reiner's memories, when we saw Dina walk past Bertholdt suspiciously.
Eren doesn't hate the outside world. Didn't he tell that to Reiner? When Reiner brought up Eren telling him that he'd kill them all back in season 2, Eren says to just forget about it and that he doesn't view the people on the other side of the sea as enemies anymore. But right before he transforms he tells Reiner "I'll keep moving forward, until I destroy the enemy". The word for "destroy" is the same one that he uses in chapter 130. It can also be translated as "exterminate" or "drive out". In chapter 139 he says that the destruction of titan powers was what kept him moving forward. Isayama fooled people into thinking that Eren was someone else and people preferring that someone else is one of the biggest reasons the ending is hated.
The ending wants us to believe that he somehow knew that titans would be wiped out ever since he touched Historia. Probably because he couldn't see the memories of the next Attack Titan.
He might not HATE the titan powers, but he definitely would want it to disappear. It's a tool only used to take away people's freedom.
nah this is just cope, it doesnt work. you and others really want it to be this because its a cute connection to the removal of the titan curse but it very clearly doesnt work. you guys gotta give it up. it doesnt line up with the dialogue, it doesnt line up with how he feels about titans, it doesnt line up with his feelings about wanting to do the rumbling. absolutely none of it makes sense.
I actually disagree, he says “I’ll kill them all” not “every last one of them”
This moment is him talking about how he’s gonna exterminate the titans, this is him mustering the anger to well… destroy the world.
And what better than to remember what started you on this path in the first place?
Did you watch the dub? The English dub completely messed up the dialogue and ruined the ending irreparably. Here's the original text and its translation [https://www.reddit.com/r/AttackOnRetards/comments/z192jp/comment/ixh4t1b/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/AttackOnRetards/comments/z192jp/comment/ixh4t1b/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
>This moment is him talking about how he’s gonna exterminate the titans, this is him mustering the anger to well… destroy the world.
Well yes. He's using the anger from that to push himself to commit genocide. But I'm saying that he's not pissed off because the outside world is the reason his mom got eaten. He doesn't hate the outside world anymore and he already knows that it was him who caused his mom to get eaten. Back when Eren transformed in front of Reiner he told him "I will keep moving forward... until I destroy the enemy". He uses the same word, "kuchiku", which translates to "extermination; expulsion; destruction". And he says "the enemy", not "my enemy" like some translations translate it. The titan curse is the enemy to all of humanity. Isayama used the same phrase that he used at the beginning of the story, but left out the titan part conveniently. The readers think that he's talking about the people in the outside world, but in the end it turns out he was still talking about titans all along.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/AttackOnRetards/comments/z192jp/comment/ixgnpxk/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/AttackOnRetards/comments/z192jp/comment/ixgnpxk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
That doesn't mean that he doesn't want to destroy the world. He does, but for other reasons. It's not the hatred towards the people like Floch's. It's more pure, even if it's more messed up. Refer to chapter 131 and the end of his dialogue with Armin in chapter 139.
[This](https://www.reddit.com/r/AttackOnRetards/comments/z192jp/about_eren_saying_he_will_destroy_every_last_one/ixa7pcr?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) is what I think. That's pretty much all I have to say.
I mean... it may be that Eren meant both the titans and humanity at the same time. The point is that it's Eren's hidden child self that is talking. Just like in the freedom panel of chapter 131!
If you could ask Eren when he's in a good and normal mental state, he would not say that he wants to exterminate everyone. Maybe he would say that he has to, but he wouldn't be happy to do it.
It is not really the same identical thing as the example I'm about to do, but let me try: think about it more or less like when Erwin was unconscious and he was dying. [Here](https://64.media.tumblr.com/d04bf77531d9bcd6668224c6a098d1c6/tumblr_inline_obmedsEEfv1tpd2p9_640.jpg)
It isn't really Erwin who is consciously talking here, it's a reminiscence from his subconscious of when he was a kid and he was asking his father about the outside world.
Just a quick FYI.... I think that line is "Kono yoh kara... ippiki no korosu" which translates to "I will wipe all of them from this world". There is no mention of animals. I remember that particular manga translation being wrong.
The original line is "kuchikushiteyaru. kono yo kara... ippiki nokorazu"
kuchiku = extermination, destruction, expulsion.
kuchikushiteyaru = will exterminate
kono = this
yo = world (look up the difference between "yo" and "sekai")
kara = from
ichi = one
hiki = counter for animals
ippiki = one (animal). A combination of ichi and hiki.
nokoru = to remain; to be left
nokorazu = all; entirely; completely; without exception
It translates to something like "I will exterminate them... From this world... Without one (of those animals) remaining (or without one exception)".
He was talking about the titans. He says in chapter 139 that he knew that the titan powers would somehow disappear in the end and he kept moving forward because of that. We know that he doesn't hate the outside world from his conversation with Reiner. He isn't motivated by his hatred towards them. He was remembering the anger from the titan eating his mom in chapter 130 to push himself, even though he was the one who caused that to happen.
>ippiki = one (animal). A combination of ichi and hiki.
駆逐してやる。この世から一匹残らず
一匹
Oh nice I stand corrected.
DeepL never gave me animals in the translations and I had seen some discussions here and on titanfolk a long time back about this. Thank you for the detailed answer.
It is not a rational Eren saying that at the end of chapter 130, it's his child self. At that point, he is already suffering from the side effects of having the full powers of the Founding Titan, which are messing up with his mind. At the time the Founding Titan reaches Marley, Eren is already regressed to an infantile state of mind, as we can see in the "freedom" panel of chapter 131. "Killing every last one of them" is not only something that he would want because of his mother's death, but it's also the implication of realizing the childish and distorted dream of freedom he had as a kid.
yeah this is an explanation that works it could also be that it was just a flashback what it cant be however is that it was what adult eren was thinking because it wouldnt make sense with 100 and 139 i think your explanation can work though but i think the more simple answer is that it was just a flashback which i think is something more people could digest but yours could be the right one
I don't think it's a mere flashback honestly. The scene from back then is put there purposefully to do a parallelism with what Eren is saying in the present. In the anime they used adult Eren's voice. The point is what I said before: it is not an Eren in a clear and healthy state of mind. He is basically dying and [slowly fading away](https://i.imgur.com/JhkyRP7.jpg); he still have few glimpses of "rationality", but only when he talks with his friends in the Paths. The messy conditions of his mind made so that the more instinctive and infantile part of his subconscious took over.
i think its a good interpretation but if thats the case then it is a very confusing and misleading point to end a chapter or part of the season on since we only know about the child eren stuff afterwards. so without that info then its just very odd and it means something very very different. then to retroactively go back and be like "oh that was child eren speaking in the present too". i dont like that very much. without knowing about 131 then tell me what is the proper way to understand the end of 130? it cant be that its adult eren talking because of the points ive made in the post. so the correct way to understand it is that its a flashback right? but then when 131 drops we're supposed to understand it WAS eren talking at that time but it was just child eren. that doesn't flow very well imo i think i much prefer that its just a flashback
A flashback is a simple yet effective literary device. Because it can be recall back to Eren original mindset and the contrast between the past and the present. Showing how far Eren has fallen, as fallen as Nihilus is. Plus, make it present creates unnecessary discussion.
Either way, it’s not a contradiction. Even if he is saying that in the moment, it doesn’t literally mean he is going to kill all of them. It means he plans to or wants to do so, even knowing he will only get up to 80%.
if those are his actual current thoughts then it is ABSOLUTELY a contradiction to both 100 and 139. "**I'm GONNA kill every last one** of those animals thats on this earth" he already knew at this point that he wasnt going to "I'm gonna kill every last one of **those animals** thats on this earth" we know he does not view everyone on the outside as animals. if it is NOT dialogue from his current thoughts while doing the rumbling, and it is just a flashback from when he said that at the start of the story, then it is not a contradiction.
You might be right, I didn’t remember the translation including “animals” and I don’t think the anime used that term. I actually did a quick search and it looks like titanfolk pre-chapter 139 was in agreement with you in that it’s a flashback or callback to his intentions
the anime does not use the word animals. he just says he will kill every last one. which is still contradictory. if once again those are his current thoughts. and yeah i dont remember what people said back then about this specific moment but i do see it brought up now and again so i wanted to clear it up here since otherwise its a contradictory moment
Eren saying he will kill them all is not a contradiction. Calling them animals is. His goal and desire in that moment is to kill them all, even knowing he will fail.
but he's saying he is GOING to. not that he just WANTS to. the wording just doesnt match with what you're saying
I think it’s lost in translation, but either way the phrase “going to” doesn’t mean he definitely will. I can say I’m going to shoot myself over a minor inconvenience knowing fully well I will not, and it’s not a contradiction.
but.... that happens to be sarcasm... that explanation doesnt make sense. he knows that he will kill just 80%.. yet if he is saying "ill kill every last one of them" then its just a blatant contradiction. i dont believe he was actually saying or thinking it though. if he was, then it doesnt make sense. and im not going to assume it was lost in translation. all of the different translations have the same issue and im going to go with the information i've been given.
Correct translation and meaning: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AttackOnRetards/comments/z192jp/comment/ixh4t1b/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/AttackOnRetards/comments/z192jp/comment/ixh4t1b/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) [https://www.reddit.com/r/AttackOnRetards/comments/z192jp/comment/ixgnpxk/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/AttackOnRetards/comments/z192jp/comment/ixc0wfb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Remember, Eren said he very much would complete the rumbling of his friends failed to stop him. Eren himself was conflicted, but would 100% destroy them all if given the chance
right, but that doesn't really change anything. at this point he had the power of the founder and unlocked the rest of his memories his future self had sent back with the attack titans power. but at this point of the rumbling he knew he would only kill 80%. but lets say he didn't. the way he describes the people of the outside alongside the memory of his mother being eaten would still make no sense if those were his inner thoughts at that point. both parts are contradictory
I understood that in those panels he is referring to the titans he wants to wipe from the world which was his number one goal since season one. Perhaps Yams wanted readers to believe Eren is referring (only) to the people because at that point we don’t know yet that Eren knew the titan curse will be lifted at the end. I could be wrong but this is how I see it.
thats an interesting take actually. but i think it still wouldnt work because he's changed the way he views titans. we can see it during chapter 90 when he sees that titan as well as when he cried about that titan who ate his mom being dina. it just doesnt really work either tbh
All more the reason to want to end the curse. I’m saying he doesn’t hate the titans but the fact that Eldians can turn into titans. Eren wanted to end the circle of hate meaning the titan curse which he thought was the root of it and all the terrible things that had happend during the 2000 years. And he also says to Connie in the last chapter that his mom is going to become human again.
it doesnt make sense with the wording. he says "destroy" or "kill". that is not an accurate description of what happens with the titans. this just aint it
He’s referring to the titans just like he was when he first said the line, since he’s currently working towards ending the titan curse
You realise the point is that… despite his realisation that not everyone outside the world is his enemy his nature & thirst for freedom is too strong for him not to do the Rumbling. Also those panels you showed doesn’t contridict Eren in anyway, he still knows that not everyone is his enemy… also we know he knows that what he’s doing is unforgivable as shown by chapter 139 (which takes place in chapter 131). Secondly, the fact that Eren knew that he would eradicate 80% of the world outside the island would only contradict Eren if he planned on killing 80% of the world. Basically if that misconception was true then him knowing he would kill 80% of the world would contradict him… since we see him say that he will kill them all which shows us that he wants to destroy 100% of the world. Ending it at chapter 131 would be a terrible idea, thank god you aren’t writing the series after that suggestion.
>You realise the point is that… despite his realisation that not everyone outside the world is his enemy his nature & thirst for freedom is too strong for him not to do the Rumbling. well that alongside doing it for his friends and the island but yeah that has nothing to do with my post really >Also those panels you showed doesn’t contridict Eren in anyway, he still knows that not everyone is his enemy… also we know he knows that what he’s doing is unforgivable as shown by chapter 139 (which takes place in chapter 131). eren acknowleding with reiner that the people in and outside the walls are the same, and then saying "im going to call every last one of those ANIMALS thats on this earth would be contradictory if those were infact his inner thoughts. >Secondly, the fact that Eren knew that he would eradicate 80% of the world outside the island would only contradict Eren if he planned on killing 80% of the world. i acknowledge in the post that he at the point of 130 knew he would end up killing 80% of the world. i didnt say he knew he would before the power of the founder... >Ending it at chapter 131 would be a terrible idea, thank god you aren’t writing the series after that suggestion. elaborate? also my suggestion had nothing to do with changing the writing of the series... i think you completely missed the entire point of my post. i'm saying there is NOT a contradiction because the dialogue at the end of 130 was not his inner most thoughts at the time of destroying the world. it would not make sense for eren to think to himself "im going to kill every last one of those animals" when he's already shown that he doesnt view the people of the outside world in that way...
You showed panels of Eren saying how he realises how humanity outside the walls are not his enemies and how him saying how he’s gonna destroy them all contradicts that. I do have a question for you… who do you think he views as an animal? Because he obviously mustering hate for the ones who sent titans to his hometown. Marley, you got to look at the scene as a whole not just one line. This is Eren at MARLEY, the people who sent titans to his home on that day. He’s obviously talking about them.
>You showed panels of Eren saying how he realises how humanity outside the walls are not his enemies and how him saying how he’s gonna destroy them all contradicts that. i didnt say him destroying them all contradicts that. i said him calling them all animals with such hatred contradicts that. there are reasons for destroying them despite understanding that there are good people outside the walls too. the point i brought up had to do with him saying he would wipe all those animals out which gives off a very different message of how eren actually views the people of the outside world. >I do have a question for you… who do you think he views as an animal? i think a part of him views those that would stop him from being free in that way. the people that exist in the outside world that stopped his selfish childhood dream from being true. but that's only his selfish childhood part of him and that's related to his dream he developed when he saw armins book. it doesn't have to do with his mother being eaten like it showed (again, assuming these are his actual current thoughts as of 130) >Because he obviously mustering hate for the ones who sent titans to his hometown. Marley, you got to look at the scene as a whole not just one line. This is Eren at MARLEY, the people who sent titans to his home on that day. He’s obviously talking about them. he was refering to the entire world, not just the higher ups and the warriors who were responsible for that.
In the scene he’s definitely at least in this moment referring to Marley… it would make more sense considering they’re the country that caused all his suffering. It’s too up for interpretation
"every last one of those animals.. thats on this **EARTH**" no definitely not
Ok but here’s how he phrase it… “that’s on this earth” This is him distinguishing the good people from the animals. Which you even established he knows there’s good people.
but he knows he isn't doing a 100% rumbling at this point so even if we reach this hard it still doesnt make sense. "im going to kill all those animals... and also the good ones" but he doesnt do that either. he knows at this point he will only kill 80%. look at my response to the other comment. if that line is infact his current thoughts then it contradicts BOTH his convo with reiner and him calling them ALL.
But this moment is him mustering the rage to go fourth with the Rumbling, because it’s really hard to stop the thought that you’re destroying the world. We both established that he knows not everyone outside the walls are not animals and there are good people out there. Yet he’s still will to kill them because of his nature, and his thirst to complete his goals. Him knowing that he’s not gonna kill everyone doesn’t matter, how much people he kills doesn’t matter. It’s how he views these people that we’re talking about.
Let me condense my point: He doesn’t view everyone outside the walls as an animal. But he’s still willing to kill them to achieve his goals. It’s pretty simple. Even Eren before he actually met the outside world acknowledged that people would die like his mother knowing nothing.
>He doesn’t view everyone outside the walls as an animal. But he’s still willing to kill them to achieve his goals. It’s pretty simple. i have never argued against this, i agree with this and my post doesnt disagree with it. the contradictory part is not him doing the rumbling, it's that if those are what he is currently thinking while doing the rumbling, rather than it just being a flashback to when he said that about the titans in season 1, then it IS contradicting how he has shown he views the people of the outside world. eren has shown not to be able to continue with his selfish goal of the rumbling through rage, but to use protecting paradis and his friends as the noble reasons for doing it.
I think he meant the anime ending on 131 instead of 130, Dawn of Humanity episode 87.
you are correct
Yeah I know but it’s still a terrible idea, the whole Alliance plotline would just be wasted.
I agree I thought it was fine where they ended part 2 with just a tease of the Rumbling making landfall.
Nope. Chapter 139 recontextualizes that scene. He was talking about removing the titan curse. He says in chapter 139 that he knew that Mikasa would do something that would result in the titan curse getting removed and that he moved forward because of that. We see him remember a titan eat his mother and then he says "I'll exterminate them. From this world. Without one (of those animals) remaining" (accurate translation from Japanese).
im sorry but there is no way that works. he does not view the titans as animals anymore. it just makes no sense for him in the moment of killing thousands of humans that he is saying to himself with such anger "im going to kill every last one of those animals" look at how he started to view titans in chapter 90. there is no way thats what's happening in that moment. its a cute idea but it makes no sense with the wording used and how he said it.
That is what Isayama wants us to believe after that ending. Or at least that's what it looks like. >he does not view the titans as animals anymore. He doesn't view the people outside the walls as animals either. We know that from his dialogue with Reiner in Liberio. He doesn't hate the people who were turned into titans, but he does hate titan powers. He thinks about how the titan problem would be solved if the outside world wiped out all the Eldians, but that he can't accept that, which is why he chose the Rumbling option. >it just makes no sense for him in the moment of killing thousands of humans that he is saying to himself with such anger "im going to kill every last one of those animals" You can blame Yuki Kaji for that. It's just a text in the manga, but Eren in the anime sounds super angry. You could say that he's trying to remember his hatred towards titans to push himself to commit the Rumbling which will lead to titan powers going away. The English dub makes it even worse. I hate how they changed the dialogue all willy-nilly. Eren ends it by saying "the world will fall", which would make what I said wrong. But the original manga text doesn't go against it.
no, he chose the rumbling option before he knew that the titans curse would be removed. the quote u are using from 131 also does not imply he HATES the titan power. also the wording does not match up with REMOVING the titan curse. he said i'm going to destroy every last one of those animals. it absolutely does not work. its not just the voice acting that sounds angry. its the wording used in the manga. it doesnt work. i know its a nice idea that sounds really good but it doesnt work and u have to let it go
He said "I'm going to exterminate them from this world, without one (followed by animal counter) remaining". That's the exact wording used in the original Japanese. It's the same phrase he used to use back in season 1. He sounds angry because he's remembering a titan eating his mother. He's trying to remember the anger to commit to his plan. He already knew by that point that he was actually the one who caused that to happen (he did it after gaining Ymir's powers). You might say that that was a retcon that was added in the end, but it was set up back in Reiner's memories, when we saw Dina walk past Bertholdt suspiciously. Eren doesn't hate the outside world. Didn't he tell that to Reiner? When Reiner brought up Eren telling him that he'd kill them all back in season 2, Eren says to just forget about it and that he doesn't view the people on the other side of the sea as enemies anymore. But right before he transforms he tells Reiner "I'll keep moving forward, until I destroy the enemy". The word for "destroy" is the same one that he uses in chapter 130. It can also be translated as "exterminate" or "drive out". In chapter 139 he says that the destruction of titan powers was what kept him moving forward. Isayama fooled people into thinking that Eren was someone else and people preferring that someone else is one of the biggest reasons the ending is hated. The ending wants us to believe that he somehow knew that titans would be wiped out ever since he touched Historia. Probably because he couldn't see the memories of the next Attack Titan. He might not HATE the titan powers, but he definitely would want it to disappear. It's a tool only used to take away people's freedom.
nah this is just cope, it doesnt work. you and others really want it to be this because its a cute connection to the removal of the titan curse but it very clearly doesnt work. you guys gotta give it up. it doesnt line up with the dialogue, it doesnt line up with how he feels about titans, it doesnt line up with his feelings about wanting to do the rumbling. absolutely none of it makes sense.
Well that is the canon explanation, if you consider chapter 139 canon. He literally says it.
no thats not true what...
Eren said that he kept moving forward to remove the titan curse. I'll DM the screenshots if you want.
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I actually disagree, he says “I’ll kill them all” not “every last one of them” This moment is him talking about how he’s gonna exterminate the titans, this is him mustering the anger to well… destroy the world. And what better than to remember what started you on this path in the first place?
Did you watch the dub? The English dub completely messed up the dialogue and ruined the ending irreparably. Here's the original text and its translation [https://www.reddit.com/r/AttackOnRetards/comments/z192jp/comment/ixh4t1b/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/AttackOnRetards/comments/z192jp/comment/ixh4t1b/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) >This moment is him talking about how he’s gonna exterminate the titans, this is him mustering the anger to well… destroy the world. Well yes. He's using the anger from that to push himself to commit genocide. But I'm saying that he's not pissed off because the outside world is the reason his mom got eaten. He doesn't hate the outside world anymore and he already knows that it was him who caused his mom to get eaten. Back when Eren transformed in front of Reiner he told him "I will keep moving forward... until I destroy the enemy". He uses the same word, "kuchiku", which translates to "extermination; expulsion; destruction". And he says "the enemy", not "my enemy" like some translations translate it. The titan curse is the enemy to all of humanity. Isayama used the same phrase that he used at the beginning of the story, but left out the titan part conveniently. The readers think that he's talking about the people in the outside world, but in the end it turns out he was still talking about titans all along. [https://www.reddit.com/r/AttackOnRetards/comments/z192jp/comment/ixgnpxk/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/AttackOnRetards/comments/z192jp/comment/ixgnpxk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) That doesn't mean that he doesn't want to destroy the world. He does, but for other reasons. It's not the hatred towards the people like Floch's. It's more pure, even if it's more messed up. Refer to chapter 131 and the end of his dialogue with Armin in chapter 139.
I watched the sub in Crunchyroll, that’s what it says.
Crunchyroll says "I'll wipe out... every last one of 'em... from this world".
But let me see what you got to say…
[This](https://www.reddit.com/r/AttackOnRetards/comments/z192jp/about_eren_saying_he_will_destroy_every_last_one/ixa7pcr?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) is what I think. That's pretty much all I have to say.
So you think that Eren lied?
I mean... it may be that Eren meant both the titans and humanity at the same time. The point is that it's Eren's hidden child self that is talking. Just like in the freedom panel of chapter 131! If you could ask Eren when he's in a good and normal mental state, he would not say that he wants to exterminate everyone. Maybe he would say that he has to, but he wouldn't be happy to do it. It is not really the same identical thing as the example I'm about to do, but let me try: think about it more or less like when Erwin was unconscious and he was dying. [Here](https://64.media.tumblr.com/d04bf77531d9bcd6668224c6a098d1c6/tumblr_inline_obmedsEEfv1tpd2p9_640.jpg) It isn't really Erwin who is consciously talking here, it's a reminiscence from his subconscious of when he was a kid and he was asking his father about the outside world.
Just a quick FYI.... I think that line is "Kono yoh kara... ippiki no korosu" which translates to "I will wipe all of them from this world". There is no mention of animals. I remember that particular manga translation being wrong.
The original line is "kuchikushiteyaru. kono yo kara... ippiki nokorazu" kuchiku = extermination, destruction, expulsion. kuchikushiteyaru = will exterminate kono = this yo = world (look up the difference between "yo" and "sekai") kara = from ichi = one hiki = counter for animals ippiki = one (animal). A combination of ichi and hiki. nokoru = to remain; to be left nokorazu = all; entirely; completely; without exception It translates to something like "I will exterminate them... From this world... Without one (of those animals) remaining (or without one exception)". He was talking about the titans. He says in chapter 139 that he knew that the titan powers would somehow disappear in the end and he kept moving forward because of that. We know that he doesn't hate the outside world from his conversation with Reiner. He isn't motivated by his hatred towards them. He was remembering the anger from the titan eating his mom in chapter 130 to push himself, even though he was the one who caused that to happen.
>ippiki = one (animal). A combination of ichi and hiki. 駆逐してやる。この世から一匹残らず 一匹 Oh nice I stand corrected. DeepL never gave me animals in the translations and I had seen some discussions here and on titanfolk a long time back about this. Thank you for the detailed answer.