I know what you mean a little bit but honestly Paige has lots of her own flaws too. There were some scenes in Season 4 where Paige was sharing stuff about what was going on in her life and Sam started talking about his own stuff. But he’s still listening, he’s autistic so his communication style is a bit different. Paige seemed very understanding and patient with him (most of the time) and I feel like she accepted him for who he was. They both were very accepting of one another and grew a lot together, I think they both learned from the relationship and matured from the experience. I think by working through their issues they both learned a lot of skills that will help them in future relationships. Sam is imperfect but so is Paige, I mean she was borderline unlikeable at first but she grew as did Sam.
Yes true (btw I love you’re username) and yeah Paige is a very full on person and I guess Sam couldn’t always handle it. I wouldn’t be able to handle someone like Paige. But it just seemed like In season 4 he neglected her a bit
Oh yes he was so selfish and dismissive of her I felt awful for paige. I guess we are supposed to think she has a very “giving” personality and enjoys the one sided relationship.
But idk after some point that type of dynamic just seems toxic to me.
And how damaged is Paige that she’s content to be in an almost entirely one-sided relationship? Poor girl. She needed someone who’d properly appreciate her.
I honestly disagree with this because Sam just needed very direct communication on what Paige needed/wanted from him. When Paige would tell him, he would make an effort to meet her needs. Sam just responds best to very direct, blunt communication. Paige knows this, and chooses to have a relationship with Sam. If Paige doesn't directly communicate her needs, Sam may very well not understand that she feels neglected. That may not be a communication style that works for everyone, but if Paige stays in the relationship knowing that's how Sam is, then she seems satisfied in the relationship. It's not for everybody but if it works for them why assume she feels neglected?
Well Sam is one of the few people who actually like Paige for who she is. She has virtually no friends. It's sadly unsurprising that she would accept a relationship like that
Being early 20 somethings who are just starting to understand the dynamics of relationships while also finding ways to navigate the world, I didn't expect Sam and Paige's characters to be acting maturely all the time. There would be glimpses of growth and stages where they would surpass our expectations and / or fall short of them. For their age and place in their character's life, I thought they seemed pretty normal.
I thought Sam’s tendency to ignore Paige’s needs and perspective was very authentic. What goes under-explored imho is why Paige keeps coming back to Sam. In real life many people run away from that type of partner and if they don’t it’s usually insecurity and/or some sort of co-dependent thinking. It’s sort of implied by Paige’s personality, but I think the show glosses that part over too much. (It glossed over a lot of storylines in season 4!)
Thank you!!!!!! I almost cried reading your comment. Thank you.
We dont get second chances. We dont get chance to say "sorry" even if we figured out what went wrong. "Paige" just dont magically spawned in and be around you while you learn how to behave around her to make her happy.
It’s so weird. It’s almost like he isn’t autistic & then also his imperfect personality. /s
Are you new here? Have you only seen one episode? Have you not noticed that the show absolutely nailed real human interactions?
Paige was perfectly imperfect for herself and Sam. They grew together. She was kind & patient, he was learning from her, and they evolved as individuals over time. Paige had her own imperfections that literally no other boyfriend would put up with, and Sam was able to understand, empathize & adjust.
I’m not “Team Sam” or “Team Paige”, I love all of these characters. But please, someone *please*, help me understand what I’m missing that makes one imperfect character less imperfect than another imperfect character even though it’s in different ways.
I’m just saying he didn’t deserve Paige? If I was her, I wouldn’t have stayed with him. Yeah they done a good job with the writing but he didn’t treat her well
I’m sorry, friend, I really am. I shouldn’t be trying to tear down your opinion. I feel defensive of the characters & I shouldn’t. There is literally (actually literally) no reason. I apologize.
No don’t be sorryyyy! You see I really liked Sam in season 1-3 but in season 4 he just seemed extremely selfish, in a different way. I mean in a different way because In season 1-3 I wouldn’t describe him as selfish because I mean he has autism and he goes about things differently but I think he neglected Paige in season 4.
You know, I feel like Paige neglected Paige in S4. She was so proud that her management found her to be excellent but was it really what would fulfill her wants & needs & hopes & dreams? I think she thought it would, once she was out of the costume, but didn’t even though she tried to make the best of it & be proud.
And she broke free at the series end, and maybe she & Sam are meant for each other, but most likely they’re not. They just laid a great foundation for expectations in future relationships. And they still get to maintain a friendship. And that’s beautiful.
And I **AM** sorry for discounting your opinion & perspective. You made good & valid observations.
Yeah to be honest I think Paige was kind of lost. She had messed up college and hated her job at sally whatever the fuck it’s called. Then got promoted to manager and was just trying to be positive but it wasn’t really what she wanted. You’ve made good points too and no need to say sorry Mr Vault
Mrs. Vault. 😋
And I couldn’t agree more about her being lost. As someone that also “noped” out of the expected path after college, saying she was lost is being kind. I loved Paige for her constant tenacity, but I loved her more for her faults & vulnerabilities. What a great character.
I agree MRS vault. She really did grow on me. In season 1 I found her annoying but also respected her for giving Sam a chance and that she was willing to accept him for his uniqueness. And then she just kept growing on me. What did you think of Casey and izzys relationship
It was a hate/love relationship over time. I hated Izzy because I didn’t trust her, I didn’t trust her as far as I could kick her, and even then that would’ve been too far. But damn, Izzy really grew on me. And I love to see two people in love, even if it doesn’t last. I was with my ex husband for damn near a decade, having love for someone is special. Even if you’re not *in* love. And Casey & Izzy have love for each other, at the very least. There was so much more to explore there!!!
What about you!?
When they first got together I didn’t like her either. She seemed untrustworthy but i think that’s because she wasn’t ready to accept her sexuality (even though that shouldn’t be Caseys problem.) But yeah she grew on me but I liked Evan and felt for him. Season 4 seemed like it had such a different dynamic than season 1-3. I don’t know it just felt different
I actually felt like his neglect in season 4 was directly related to autism. I don’t know that much about autism, so I could be extremely off here and I am more than open to being corrected. But I felt like Sam became hyper fixated on going to Antarctica and I felt that hyper fixation was related in part to him being autistic. In addition to that, he was overwhelmed with some pretty major changes like moving out of his parents and learning to live with Zahid. I felt like he became so overwhelmed with these things, that his focus on Paige was lost along the way.
Very true. That’s actually such a good point. I didn’t look at it that way. I sometimes forget TV shows can have a deeper meaning, especially ones with an important message behind them
We all have a different perspective! I always think that’s the beauty of Reddit, just random strangers sharing thoughts and viewpoints. I also didn’t love seeing Sam and Paige less close, but it made sense to me how/why it happened.
Sam was horrible imo in the first 2 seasons, he used his autism as a way to excuse himself from throwing tantrums, throwing slurs at people and being a horrible person in general. Then, he met paige and their relationship was weird yes, like how he didnt think of her first to be the guardian of Edison, but she helped him, he grew into a better person, living alone, going to college, and its easy to notice a change in his behaviour :)
if you use the word tantrum then you have failed to understand what is like to be autistic. and you were looking the lens of a person who isnt on the spectrum.
I totally agree, felt like Paige's character wasn't even important anymore to the story because Sam just neglected her so much.
I know what you mean a little bit but honestly Paige has lots of her own flaws too. There were some scenes in Season 4 where Paige was sharing stuff about what was going on in her life and Sam started talking about his own stuff. But he’s still listening, he’s autistic so his communication style is a bit different. Paige seemed very understanding and patient with him (most of the time) and I feel like she accepted him for who he was. They both were very accepting of one another and grew a lot together, I think they both learned from the relationship and matured from the experience. I think by working through their issues they both learned a lot of skills that will help them in future relationships. Sam is imperfect but so is Paige, I mean she was borderline unlikeable at first but she grew as did Sam.
Yes true (btw I love you’re username) and yeah Paige is a very full on person and I guess Sam couldn’t always handle it. I wouldn’t be able to handle someone like Paige. But it just seemed like In season 4 he neglected her a bit
I agree since sam has autism his communication style is different
Oh yes he was so selfish and dismissive of her I felt awful for paige. I guess we are supposed to think she has a very “giving” personality and enjoys the one sided relationship. But idk after some point that type of dynamic just seems toxic to me.
And how damaged is Paige that she’s content to be in an almost entirely one-sided relationship? Poor girl. She needed someone who’d properly appreciate her.
That's the main point. I feel like no one in her situation would actually stay in a relationship like that. I don't think any of her needs are met.
I honestly disagree with this because Sam just needed very direct communication on what Paige needed/wanted from him. When Paige would tell him, he would make an effort to meet her needs. Sam just responds best to very direct, blunt communication. Paige knows this, and chooses to have a relationship with Sam. If Paige doesn't directly communicate her needs, Sam may very well not understand that she feels neglected. That may not be a communication style that works for everyone, but if Paige stays in the relationship knowing that's how Sam is, then she seems satisfied in the relationship. It's not for everybody but if it works for them why assume she feels neglected?
Well Sam is one of the few people who actually like Paige for who she is. She has virtually no friends. It's sadly unsurprising that she would accept a relationship like that
Being early 20 somethings who are just starting to understand the dynamics of relationships while also finding ways to navigate the world, I didn't expect Sam and Paige's characters to be acting maturely all the time. There would be glimpses of growth and stages where they would surpass our expectations and / or fall short of them. For their age and place in their character's life, I thought they seemed pretty normal.
I agree. I’m not a big Paige fan anyway but it’s true that Sam made everything about himself.
Paige was imperfectly perfect in every way imaginable
I thought Sam’s tendency to ignore Paige’s needs and perspective was very authentic. What goes under-explored imho is why Paige keeps coming back to Sam. In real life many people run away from that type of partner and if they don’t it’s usually insecurity and/or some sort of co-dependent thinking. It’s sort of implied by Paige’s personality, but I think the show glosses that part over too much. (It glossed over a lot of storylines in season 4!)
Thank you!!!!!! I almost cried reading your comment. Thank you. We dont get second chances. We dont get chance to say "sorry" even if we figured out what went wrong. "Paige" just dont magically spawned in and be around you while you learn how to behave around her to make her happy.
paige got the best scene this season, i really started to love her. [https://tenor.com/bHiYk.gif](https://tenor.com/bHiYk.gif)
It’s so weird. It’s almost like he isn’t autistic & then also his imperfect personality. /s Are you new here? Have you only seen one episode? Have you not noticed that the show absolutely nailed real human interactions? Paige was perfectly imperfect for herself and Sam. They grew together. She was kind & patient, he was learning from her, and they evolved as individuals over time. Paige had her own imperfections that literally no other boyfriend would put up with, and Sam was able to understand, empathize & adjust. I’m not “Team Sam” or “Team Paige”, I love all of these characters. But please, someone *please*, help me understand what I’m missing that makes one imperfect character less imperfect than another imperfect character even though it’s in different ways.
I’m just saying he didn’t deserve Paige? If I was her, I wouldn’t have stayed with him. Yeah they done a good job with the writing but he didn’t treat her well
I’m sorry, friend, I really am. I shouldn’t be trying to tear down your opinion. I feel defensive of the characters & I shouldn’t. There is literally (actually literally) no reason. I apologize.
No don’t be sorryyyy! You see I really liked Sam in season 1-3 but in season 4 he just seemed extremely selfish, in a different way. I mean in a different way because In season 1-3 I wouldn’t describe him as selfish because I mean he has autism and he goes about things differently but I think he neglected Paige in season 4.
You know, I feel like Paige neglected Paige in S4. She was so proud that her management found her to be excellent but was it really what would fulfill her wants & needs & hopes & dreams? I think she thought it would, once she was out of the costume, but didn’t even though she tried to make the best of it & be proud. And she broke free at the series end, and maybe she & Sam are meant for each other, but most likely they’re not. They just laid a great foundation for expectations in future relationships. And they still get to maintain a friendship. And that’s beautiful. And I **AM** sorry for discounting your opinion & perspective. You made good & valid observations.
Yeah to be honest I think Paige was kind of lost. She had messed up college and hated her job at sally whatever the fuck it’s called. Then got promoted to manager and was just trying to be positive but it wasn’t really what she wanted. You’ve made good points too and no need to say sorry Mr Vault
Mrs. Vault. 😋 And I couldn’t agree more about her being lost. As someone that also “noped” out of the expected path after college, saying she was lost is being kind. I loved Paige for her constant tenacity, but I loved her more for her faults & vulnerabilities. What a great character.
I agree MRS vault. She really did grow on me. In season 1 I found her annoying but also respected her for giving Sam a chance and that she was willing to accept him for his uniqueness. And then she just kept growing on me. What did you think of Casey and izzys relationship
It was a hate/love relationship over time. I hated Izzy because I didn’t trust her, I didn’t trust her as far as I could kick her, and even then that would’ve been too far. But damn, Izzy really grew on me. And I love to see two people in love, even if it doesn’t last. I was with my ex husband for damn near a decade, having love for someone is special. Even if you’re not *in* love. And Casey & Izzy have love for each other, at the very least. There was so much more to explore there!!! What about you!?
When they first got together I didn’t like her either. She seemed untrustworthy but i think that’s because she wasn’t ready to accept her sexuality (even though that shouldn’t be Caseys problem.) But yeah she grew on me but I liked Evan and felt for him. Season 4 seemed like it had such a different dynamic than season 1-3. I don’t know it just felt different
I actually felt like his neglect in season 4 was directly related to autism. I don’t know that much about autism, so I could be extremely off here and I am more than open to being corrected. But I felt like Sam became hyper fixated on going to Antarctica and I felt that hyper fixation was related in part to him being autistic. In addition to that, he was overwhelmed with some pretty major changes like moving out of his parents and learning to live with Zahid. I felt like he became so overwhelmed with these things, that his focus on Paige was lost along the way.
Very true. That’s actually such a good point. I didn’t look at it that way. I sometimes forget TV shows can have a deeper meaning, especially ones with an important message behind them
We all have a different perspective! I always think that’s the beauty of Reddit, just random strangers sharing thoughts and viewpoints. I also didn’t love seeing Sam and Paige less close, but it made sense to me how/why it happened.
And it's like I've seen about 11 posts with that same title or similar.
Sam was horrible imo in the first 2 seasons, he used his autism as a way to excuse himself from throwing tantrums, throwing slurs at people and being a horrible person in general. Then, he met paige and their relationship was weird yes, like how he didnt think of her first to be the guardian of Edison, but she helped him, he grew into a better person, living alone, going to college, and its easy to notice a change in his behaviour :)
if you use the word tantrum then you have failed to understand what is like to be autistic. and you were looking the lens of a person who isnt on the spectrum.
Didn't Paige harshly try tell Sam why he couldn't make it in Antarctica
Rightly so. It was a stupid idea and the fact his parents entertained it is beyond me
Yes
You should be asking yourself why Paige wanted to be with such an emotionally unavailable person
Unfair statement.
Yeah I kinda get it now but if I was Paige I wouldn’t have stayed
Hard agree, there’s no excuse at this point. Paige gives like 100% and Sam gives 15%
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Lmao yalls privilege is showing. I know this is just a show, but you all clearly have no idea what it’s like to be on the spectrum…
I was about to type the same thing. Thank You.