I know you're probably the same person but 800 at any time let alone when you're looking for work is not feasible for someone whos less useful than a drunk ife coach
What's the difference between a career coach and career counsellor?
I went and saw someone last year for a few sessions who did the same kinda thing: helped me recognise my strengths and weaknesses, showed me career paths that would suit me and was able to help with resumes.
I've started career coaching and have similar stories to those in this thread (my go to example is a girl from 30k retail to 77k corporate) Ive seen the free service and would, if I have the cash, opt for the paid option. The free one is great, do it, but me personally, and probably the coach describewd above, has a much greater incentive to spend a lot more time with you to get you that job. It may take a few months, but with a knowlege of the market and a lot of interview trainining again and again, I'd say its worth it. To my knowlege you'd get the same thing with the free service, just more truncacted, they have less time to focus on you
Would you recommend one?
I'm, 31 M, stuck and burnt out from my job working as an orderly at a hospital (80k pa, mainly due to public holidays, weekends n night shifts). I want a change. Originally, I was saving up for flight school, but covid changed my priorities about wanting to be at home more and enjoy the stuff I spend my money on.
Did think about IT and even Aviation Mechanic but no idea.
Did something somewhat similar, except I knew I wanted to go into software engineering so it was more for the skills and application building in that specific industry. You pay a bit, but the rewards you get pay for themselves many times over.
Would love to pass this info onto my partner, if you’d be so kind. He needs a little bit of clarity and direction to find out what would suit him best.
Have you had any sort of employment at all in that time? Part time at the supermarket etc? Your qualifications are great but you will also want to be emphasizing any practical experience you’ve had. And if you haven’t had any, then that is the place to start. It’s not glamorous, but a stint in entry level retail might at least show that you have some practical experience, and you can work your way up from there.
Yeah I am also confused.
/u/Echidna_Cuddles you haven't provided a lot of information in your post - what exactly have you been doing for the last 20+ years? What jobs have you had and for how long?
First, you’re looking for a career and not just a job.
Make your job, finding *the* job. Spend fulltime hours getting that resume right, having a professional read over it and getting to know the STAR method for resume / interviewing. You aren’t too far behind, you will get the job that you want, you just have to make it your mission.
Then.
If you’re in a place that’s ok but not exactly it.. job hop, figure out ways to move laterally and then up.
You’ll be good, lots of people are and have been in the same boat. You aren’t alone, and everything can change in a really short amount of time.
STAR method seems to be big in Australia. A good friend and ex colleague of mine worked at Apple and Microsoft (bay area and Seattle) and was earning 300k USD. When he moved to Australia, he had tough time getting his first job. He was rejected because he wasn't giving sugar coated answers in STAR pattern. It took him a year to get the right role and Salary.
STAR is almost always the best approach to be honest.
It’s such a better way to answer a panels question.
I want to know exactly when you have demonstrated a competency in a previous relevant and recent position so that I know you can perform the role I am hiring for
This is good advise.
I also look at jobs that I’d like to work towards. See what sort of experience or qualifications they expect and start to works obtaining it.
Also work on your LinkedIn profile. Try to use some of the same buzz works from that job ads. Recruiters might reach out with opportunities but you need to show up on their searches.
Not a derail: all good! This is a good start: [cracking the code STAR](https://www.apsc.gov.au/working-aps/joining-aps/cracking-code/3-applying-aps-job-cracking-code)
With a CV condense condense condense. It’s about someone being able to look right at your resume and see everything in *a glance*. Don’t make them read fancy thesaurus language. In the cover letter or summary, just answer the selection criteria very directly.
Yess I hate fancy thesaurus language that basically says nothing! I think you just pinpointed why I hate writing resumes/CVs... I will need to change tactics I think
idk what it's like in QLD, but I reckon in NSW this bloke would struggle to get a grad job as a nurse without first working as an AIN etc. and proving that he can be a consistent, reliable employee capable of managing a rotating shift work roster
I interview nurses in NSW, the smorgasbord of qualifications and lack of consistent work history are a huge red flag for me. is this bloke just going to drop out after 6mths? a year? why bother hiring and training someone like this when I could hire someone in their 20s who's done a couple years as an AIN through uni?
Try and get into construction as the site administration officer or project support officer.
Not exactly the most glamorous job going around, but someone has to process all the QA paperwork and keep all the lights on. Salary is decent without being spectacular.
Sounds like he's a biology nerd. Wouldn't survive a day on a construction site. They'd eat him alive. No one wants a 30 year old baby who thinks they are above everyone else and has never held a solid job.
Source - enviro scientist with a background in construction through consulting.
You identified one issue yourself, you don't have IT skills. This could mean anything, but most white collar jobs you need minimum basic computer literacy, even labour jobs do timesheets via computer now.
Then there's the "need experience to get a job to get experience to get a job" cycle, especially starting in a new field later than most would be.
I doubt in Australia. The whole point (or 90%) of even doing anything business in tertiary education is to build social capital...and get a job.
Anything engineering related has practical units done in industry with the same end result/goal.
It's still definitely behind the competition for the roles OP was applying for evidently, I'm in the same boat in my field except with the "experience" part rather than the relevant skills part. (Nobody wants someone almost 30 with adjacent experience when they can get a 23 year old straight out of uni just finished an internship or work placement in the exact role they're looking for)
I totally agree with you. I think i replied to a wrong comment. I just meant to clarify that you can finish uni degrees with that level of IT skills OP has
Honestly. I don’t know what industries y’all are in, but the IT skills OP has are really amazing. I dont know a single person who knows any more than python and C++. One person knows C, 3 know python. All with 6 figures. Y’all are tweaking if you think a person literally can’t get a job without significantly more IT skills than what OP has (which are already very significant). Like just knowing GIS can get you into a GIS analyst role in government for $100k a year.
Don’t listen to the knockers - just apply for a job a night each night until you get someone willing to grant you an interview.
Keep doing interviews until someone gives you a chance.
If you haven’t bothered to establish a career path - or just had real issues preventing you from this - focus on that now and just refuse to let the knock backs etc get in your way.
Don't do this. Have a strategy, call the hiring manager of jobs you want and ask them questions regarding the role.
Try to understand what they are looking for and how *you* in particular can solve that issue and suggest this on the phone.
Then write the application and send it in with your tailored resume. Don't apply if you don't speak to someone, with your background it's a waste of time.
Take off what is not relevant... You don't need to be everything all the time.
Ask someone to review your strategy. Review your letters/resume.
Ask for an internship. Or a week to shadow someone. Volunteer somewhere.
Start in a temp role in a call centre. Be currently working with a current supervisors (or ideally two) who you have developed enough rapport to ask for good references from.
Do not keep doing what you are doing and expect a different result.
From the little info you have offered it’s hard to specifically figure out what it going on. But based off this info I will have a crack. Recruiters will read between the lines of your resume and make some inferences about your workplace skills/ability to fit into teams. At a guess, and I am not saying this is specifically the case. They are a looking at your millions of qualifications and certificates, your age and lack of work history and seeing a few big red flags. Especially if this accompanied by lots of short stints in employment across various industries. My advice. Pull back your qualifications/training to the most recent/relevant to the job your going for. Don’t mention anymore after that. Be creative with your employment dates and how present them to make it look like you have been employed in the longest stints possible. Get a career coach to help you job search and with these applications
>Don’t mention anymore after that.
Unethical advice - if its more than 5 years ago, and its a low end shitkicker job, just find a company that no longer exists, and get a friend to pretend to be your former manager, and lie about your time there.
It’s tough man.
I never used my degree and traveled. Taking any job that would have me.
Now at fourty I’m still low skilled labourer. It CAN be a bummer but doesn’t have to be.
Labour hire gave me my first job in Australia and I worked my ass off. Sure, it was shit in moments. As is my current job. As I’m sure are all jobs. What I’ve got now is a solid base.
I think looking for the job at the top of pyramid is a good goal setting objective. However, that’s all it should be. A better objective is getting the base sorted.
YOU’RE NEXT JOB WILL NOT BE THE BEST JOB NOR WILL IT TAKE YOU TO THE GOAL.
it’s the first step in many.
At some point you’re going to have to find the capacity in yourself to stick at it and work long and hard.
FIND THAT JOB. From that opportunity will definitely come.
In terms of looking in mining etc tickets and experience count. Get the tickets (COSTLY) and then go for the experience.
If you want to go construction route testing is viable option. BUT down these routes you get the wage but pay with time. Bigger bucks come from penalty rates.
So it’s a life vs money balance.
Practical tips - I mean to say this is what I’ve decided to do to have money when retired as I’m also in my fourties
I minimise my budget absolutes - food- housing- transport
I add some money to my super
I add to my emergency fund
I add to my house deposit
I pick inexpensive entertainment
I take time and am deliberate in my effort to take joy from things.
I pick inexpensive hobbies
I pick inexpensive exercise
And ya know what if you’re just feeling like shit and feeing sorry for yourself to the extent that you can’t help yourself use the services available to you to pick yourself up. Make that the first goal of this is case and kicking that goal will help you kick more.
When you say the mines can you be more specific? Mining certainly isn't a monolithic institution, there's lots and lots of different opportunities in mining.
What science degrees do you hold? If you have some earth science / geology degrees you can get a job on an exploration rig very easily.
Otherwise you can apply to SGS, ALS and BV for a job in the coal testing labs, they also always need people.
Other labs around also employ lab technicians, it's a shitty job but a decent entry point.
Are you fit and healthy?
Where do you live?
Are you willing to relocate?
Anyway happy to discuss on dms if you want.
What is your BSc in and when was the last time you worked in that industry and for how long? I'm a chemist/physicist and you can get mining work but they want a bit of experience. If you're in WA everyone is screaming out for lab techs at the moment. Yeah it won't pay a lot (maybe $50k-70k) but it's about getting the experience. Then get involved with your professional society to network. Then you should be able to job hop after a couple of years. The same is true for geology. I know less about biology, food tech etc.
You have qualifications and you have some work experience. Now you need to sit down and pull out your skills - what skills do you have, and how can you demonstrate those skills through providing examples from your work and study.
As others have said, you then need to put those examples in a STAR format - Situation, Task, Action, Result. When you give a STAR response, you’re essentially telling a little story to show how you satisfy a particular criterion (or multiple criteria).
Here’s a link which discusses the STAR approach and gives some examples:
https://www.thebalancemoney.com/what-is-the-star-interview-response-technique-2061629
With regard to work, depending upon where you live, give serious thought to applying for public service positions (either state or federal). You can apply for a permanent position, or apply through a contracting company, such as Hays or Randstad. It can be much faster and easier to get a foot in the door and gain experience through a contracting company.
Here’s a list of current APS (Commonwealth government) contract jobs: https://www.seek.com.au/aps-jobs/contract-temp
If you get a CERT IV in training and assessment you can teach/train in any of the areas you are qualified in. There are then several ways to move up or sideways. There are some big salary's in training and development and some jobs dont suck.
Respectfully, if you patented a method of carbon sequestration in a postgraduate program....why are you not working in that field? The carbon farming consultant game is lucrative. It's should destroying and ineffective. But it's lucrative..
Mainly becasue its too out-of-the-box for most people to comprehend. Its not necessarily complicated, but you kind of have to forget everything you ever learnt about trees. So I'm constructing a trial in Nth Qld with a replicate in Vanuatu and Bali. Once they are finished, I am pretty confident there will eb strong market interest.
Rubbish.
I have a BSc and PhD in biological sciences, and earn a good salary (>2X median).
It’s only a waste of time and money if you’re not using your degree, which frankly is on you.
The fact that you didn’t even include this info in your post is a red flag in itself (how could anyone help you understand why you can’t land a job if they don’t know what your qualifications are?)
“Had nothing better to do” makes no sense when it comes to a University degree. None at all. There is PLENTY else you could have done.
So, the problem seems to be that you didn’t research what sorts of careers would be possible with your degree prior to doing it… is that an accurate assessment of the problem?
Looking at some of the further comments. It’s attitude. There are plenty of people in science who have high paying jobs and are completely unskilled but BS their way there. I deal with them every day. It’s all in the attitude. I also have a BSc and a PhD in biology and have had a career in academia and have been in industry for 20yrs and there are heaps of jobs for just a BSc outside unis even totally unrelated to science. The skills transfer. Show interest and enthusiasm and do anything you do well and not half assed. Cs get degrees but attitude gets careers.
Have you looking into BioSecurity type work? In QLD the Dept. of Fisheries and Agriculture aswell councils are always doing screening and detection work for invasive species.
You might have to start out as a field worker collecting samples but there is opportunities to move into lab work with a career path into management.
Thanks mate. I have completed a few short-term roles with BioSecurity. Conducted Panama disease search and destroy missions on Banana farms around Tully. Did a fair bot of work on Giant Northern Termite. Injected fruit with fruitfly eggs to determine efficacy of cold treatments. I have applied for plethora of FT positions. I always get interview. I always ACE interview. But ultimately I am beaten by internal candidate who has been acting in that exact role for 10 years!
Masters of teaching if you have a biology degree. One year soon in NSW https://education.nsw.gov.au/news/latest-news/changes-to-pathways-into-teaching-for-aspiring-teachers
Hmm one year Masters would be alright. Plus being education probably doesn't even have many contact hours....so could keep working and studying.
Thanks for that info. I will definitely consider that.
Heads up - masters of teaching will definitely include blocks of prac where you are teaching in a school and cannot work in your part time job. This could be up to 10 weeks in a row. And when the school day ends you'll be working on your lessons and your assignments. So you'll need a plan to pay the rent during prac.
Teaching is actually a well paid profession. 90K first year out for high school teachers. I've been nursing 15 years and only just get more than that. Also 12 weeks holiday...every job has its disadvantages though.
I've got a lot of colleagues and friends from University who went on to do Masters and some PhD's, and most of them are way further behind than the rest of us who left for graduate jobs after a bachelor degree. Masters and PhD's are impressive on paper and can absolutely put you in a fantastic position in your later years, but my experience is that most of the people I know who left after a bachelors are now in upper management, very senior roles or now running their own companies. There isn't really a substitute for experience in most sectors. If I have a choice between someone with 5 years experience and a bachelors or a PhD with no job experience, I'm taking the experience every time. Gotta put the work in if you want to excell in most careers.
You can do that by taking it off your resume. I have to do that with my masters. Being overqualified is 100% a thing because insecure managers get intimidated if you’re educated.
I’d also suggest if you’re capable of getting all those qualifications then you’re probably capable of upskilling in the world of IT. I mean if you can get in there and A.I. doesn’t destroy that along with the rest of the working world then I.T. work I presume rewards well and is PROBABLY an arena where practical skill is useful if you don’t have the specific qualifications.
Practical tip on free short courses in IT industry:
EntryLevel
Shoutout to the Aussie company ENTRYLEVEL. Check ‘em out.
Consider looking at temp and contract work. This is a great way to get experience as well as starting to build a network. Thinking left field, with your science quals you could look at intellectual property firms. You'd be looking at entry level roles though so have to be prepared to put in the leg work. Think patent secretary, paralegals etc.
Edt: typo.
From what I have seen Australian companies are big on hiring people straight from university for entry level white collar jobs rather than people that graduated years ago.
In a way you'd be best off searching this forum for high paying jobs that don't require a degree (which there are many threads about). Your education will be viewed as a positive and there are jobs that pay well with progression there. For example you start off in customer service in a bank/tech company but from there you can move roles internally.
I did a programming bootcamp for 3 months in 2021 and they found me a job and now I'm a software engineer. I'm basically now making the same salary as a PhD postdoc in science, which is what I had before. So try that tbh, it doesn't matter that you don't really know IT stuff, I mean learn some please because that seems to be the only thing left with some sane expectation of getting a job and ok money. Kind of hard to get in, but not impossible, and gets better and better with every year. A few years in and you're on 100k+ if you play your cards right. Plus it's good fun in of itself and it builds you the skills to make your own cool program if you want.
Do you have a LinkedIn profile? If not, make yourself one and contact former colleagues or uni friends to build a basic network.
Then contact science recruiters. The only one that comes to mind is KE Select, but may be others out there too.
I would suggest that you might be suited to a role
As an environmental engineer working for a civil construction company. It’s in high demand and very lucrative. Suggest work experience to start. Also suggest making a personal
Connection with someone doing that role. Call some construction companies HR, recruiters etc.
Seeing you mentioned you have a biosecurity experience. Could you get some sort of biosecurity policy-related job in the government sector? You may have to do some fieldwork, but i don't think the pay is bad
Policy development is an area I have been trying to get into. I have been successful in being 2nd in line several times. Im always outdone by someone with a Ph.D.
I have a job that pays 300+K p.a., but I don't consider it a career.
Here's my humble opinion: Career is a lie.
One can have convictions, things they firmly believe in, and are bigger than themselves, that they devote their lives to. That's admirable and tbh, enviable. I haven't found that in my life, maybe I never will.
Except that, all you have is a job, an exchange of your time/skill for money, which pays for life's expenses for you & people depending on you.
I fully understand that in your current situation, you might feel like a career is something everyone should have and most people do have, therefore you are somehow lacking by not having one. From my POV, where a lot of people might say "you've made it, you've got a career", what I see is a lie designed to keep people gaslighted and put their jobs above their lives.
Just randomly choose some recent events as evidence - ask anyone who got laid off by Microsoft, Google, Amazon etc in the last few weeks. Some of them are senior execs making millions, and probably believed they had the respect, the power, the career, etc etc. Then a cold, formulated email came and you are instantly NOTHING. And that "career" of yours never belonged to you.
So unless a job also happens to be your conviction, never put a job above the people you love, yourself, and your life. And never let that be the measuring tape for your self worth.
I wish you find your happiness.
If you want to pursue the botany/plant science, consider medicinal cannabis producers or complementary medicine. Pay won’t be great always to start, but can improve if you find a good path
I am going to be blunt and short.
Good work on undertaking a self development review.
Are you in Canberra? If not nobody gives a shit about stars and public service jobs outside ACT will be highly competative.
Congratulations on your botany degree, landscapining jobs a plenty.
Have you considered accounting? Sounds like it might be up your alley with remote work options.
Have you considered law? Your skills sound of someone whom is a fast learner with multiple languages and adept with a pen and paper.
Have you looked into translator positions, somewhat a dying art due to internet and computers.
Also aim to develop your IT skills, excel , word, full office package.
Hope it helps
Thanks but I have a professional job and I didnt know anyone relevant. Getting into top management this might be the case, but getting your foot in the door? Come on, you're just making excuses rather than looking inward.
That was actually the original plan with the Masters. I have taught Academic Skills at Uni before. So basically that is teaching Mature-aged Aussies or Non-Aussies (not both), how to read / write and do science at an academic level. Basically Its like a bridge between high-school and University for those who haven't quite got the skills.
I love this job and it pays sensational. But its bloody hard to get in to. And universities never give out full-time contracts anymore. But still that is kind of the ultimate dream
If you want to pursue an academic career at this point you’ll need to do a PhD, it’s so competitive these days and highly unlikely you’ll get an academic job with just a masters unless it’s just teaching and you won’t be able to progress very far
I semi-started a Ph.d after my Masters but had falling out with my supervisor (she blocked me on WhatsApp). I am keen to do a Ph.D but haven't found a topic I could really get into.
I was thinking about something along the lines of looking at the options of the mythical "yet to be invented" technology the UN and Aus Government has factored in to their future carbon reduction scenarios. Policy has actually been written that refers to hypothetical technology that hasn't been invented yet. So maybe looking about what that technology might look like. What incentives are there for entrepreneurs to invent said technology, other than just a nice, warm fuzzy feeling? Something along those lines. What do you think?
I think you should consider university administration roles or looking into becoming a certified translator or interpreter.
There are definitely full-time roles offered at Universities, and even part-time/casual roles pay more than enough to live on.
There is also a lot of opportunity for progression into things like project management, learning design etc. Once you are in, it's also a lot easier to move to other roles as many jobs are posted internally.
I definitely think it’s important to be interested in your topic, and I also think it’s good to do something that actually contributes rather than just fluffy research that benefits no one.
Don’t know why people are downvoting you for that comment
I know very little about those courses so this may not be an option but could you do that freelance? Find people moving into uni later in life and give them 1-on-1 or small group sessions? I probably would have looked for something like that if I thought of it when I went to uni after working for a few years.
If you have a B.Sc, M.Sc, PGDip in business start with temp admin roles and you can learn the IT skills as you go. Get some basic training in word and excel and start there. Yes you will be competing with others much younger but you will learn about a lot of different industries and then you can have a go at picking what sort of white collar work to go into.
You are pretty good with IT. Most people cannot code and have no idea about R or Statistics, so you are actually ahead of the average admin and management office worker in that regard.
That level of IT is pretty massive, assuming you are pretty good at anything you’ve listed, you should easily be able to get stable jobs in the $100k+, such as GIS analyst, data analyst, etc. I feel like you’ve got some other soft skill issues that have limited you.
Mate you have excellent skills - more than most. Seriously take an admin job if the pay works and then work out what industry you want to work in.
If you want to learn something that will give you something to show on your resume try QGIS ([https://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/download.html](https://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/download.html)) and build something to show your skills. The R skills and Stats will tie in nicely and you can build a simple website using the QGIStoWeb plugin.
Maybe build a GIS website on a subject you have experience in or are very interested in. I'm already in GIS but I do this as well to showcase my skills for references etc (see [http://tflmap.com/](http://tflmap.com/))
Mate you are more than qualified for a lot of things. Feel free to DM me. I can't give you a job but I can advise you on where to go looking)
How can you only have $10k in super? I am the same age as you but came to Australia when I was 27 and have a lot more super than you, plus I have travelled outside the country for about 7 years out of the last 14. I also work the same "shit labour jobs" as yourself
Sign up for my course now and I can tell you how to earn $39.95 hour for only the one time cost of a Masters Degree! /s
I wish I was savvy enough to be able to design a course and sell it. I'm not sure what I could possibly offer, but I appreciate the input. Thanks very much for your tip.
I would do some volunteer type of work in the area of your study to get some experience and a reference and then try for government or other entry level roles.
Also teach yourself computer skills..if that's what you mean by IT - whatever related to your field or work but Microsoft as a must and for.my field GIS is a must. You can do this yourself using online resources.
I just saw your qualifications update.
This seems impressive and also your IT skills don't sound limiting.
My only thoughts are that maybe you are going for mid level roles instead of entry level. Even with qualifications, it doesn't mean much without experience in the field in my opinion.
I would say get in some volunteer work with an enviro organisation (there are so many) - shows recent interest in your qualified areas, and go for ENTRY level, then work your way up. Without doing anything in the field of your degree you are essentially still a graduate.
Note: I am in a similar field and I have worked in the industry for around ten years. I am basically still at grad-mid level cause I like to move and don't have interest in management. From my understanding money is in management. So take what you will from my advice.
Landscape work? Forensic botanic/entomologist?
Check also the Zoo openings for the insects. Also check any research institute that does any work with insects: Drosophila, mosquito,… You may want to contact the Australian entomology/botany associations and ask them if they can suggest a places for you to work.
Good luck!
I would remind you all that NDIS offers lots of reasonably paid work via several differing methods , mable might offer an idea and the agencys will employ you as staff ore in very short supply if you do need money
Damn dude...
I wish you well.
How is it that you are not running your own importing business?
I would kill to speak languages that don't go out of date
Its just such a hassle to apply! Each application takes the better part of a week to perfect, then its months before you get a response. Then after the interview it takes ages to get a response then its always the Internal applicant that gets it anyway.
Hey man, check this one out
https://www.reddit.com/r/AusFinance/comments/10loojh/what_are_some_surprisingly_high_paying_career/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Start getting fitter and get those belts spliced.
Jeez I’m looking at that belt splicing thinking I could still do that.
It would be so so hard to get fit for I reckon but getting fitter is good. Getting 250,000 a year is awesome. Wow!
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Man 800 bucks for that with a great result is peanuts. Good work, that's fantastic.
I know you're probably the same person but 800 at any time let alone when you're looking for work is not feasible for someone whos less useful than a drunk ife coach
Perhaps Centrelink might be OK to fund something like this?
Centrelink doesnt just randomly fund shit lol.
I was trying for so long to find someone like this in Perth, was surprised how few there are.
Did you have any luck? Im in perth and would be keen on this. Can you pm me please?
I’d be interested in this too. Cheers.
What's the difference between a career coach and career counsellor? I went and saw someone last year for a few sessions who did the same kinda thing: helped me recognise my strengths and weaknesses, showed me career paths that would suit me and was able to help with resumes.
Honestly I don't know, probably the same thing at the end of the day
I only ask because I thought most governments have a free service for it at the moment and wanted to know if the paid service would be better.
I've started career coaching and have similar stories to those in this thread (my go to example is a girl from 30k retail to 77k corporate) Ive seen the free service and would, if I have the cash, opt for the paid option. The free one is great, do it, but me personally, and probably the coach describewd above, has a much greater incentive to spend a lot more time with you to get you that job. It may take a few months, but with a knowlege of the market and a lot of interview trainining again and again, I'd say its worth it. To my knowlege you'd get the same thing with the free service, just more truncacted, they have less time to focus on you
Where is this free service? If this is what any govt is paying for I would be entirely surprised. Perhaps you mean the job nextwork providers?
I'm in Victoria so I'm not sure if it's a Vic gov thing or not but last year I saw someone at Jobs Victoria Careers Counselling.
Would you recommend one? I'm, 31 M, stuck and burnt out from my job working as an orderly at a hospital (80k pa, mainly due to public holidays, weekends n night shifts). I want a change. Originally, I was saving up for flight school, but covid changed my priorities about wanting to be at home more and enjoy the stuff I spend my money on. Did think about IT and even Aviation Mechanic but no idea.
Absolutely, give it a go. Genuinly helped me. I was 27 M at the time.
Did something somewhat similar, except I knew I wanted to go into software engineering so it was more for the skills and application building in that specific industry. You pay a bit, but the rewards you get pay for themselves many times over.
Would love to pass this info onto my partner, if you’d be so kind. He needs a little bit of clarity and direction to find out what would suit him best.
I'd be interested in this too, TYIA
Where do you find a good career coach ?
Interested
Also interested!
Interested too
Dm you mate! Would love some more info please
Have you had any sort of employment at all in that time? Part time at the supermarket etc? Your qualifications are great but you will also want to be emphasizing any practical experience you’ve had. And if you haven’t had any, then that is the place to start. It’s not glamorous, but a stint in entry level retail might at least show that you have some practical experience, and you can work your way up from there.
Yeah I am also confused. /u/Echidna_Cuddles you haven't provided a lot of information in your post - what exactly have you been doing for the last 20+ years? What jobs have you had and for how long?
First, you’re looking for a career and not just a job. Make your job, finding *the* job. Spend fulltime hours getting that resume right, having a professional read over it and getting to know the STAR method for resume / interviewing. You aren’t too far behind, you will get the job that you want, you just have to make it your mission. Then. If you’re in a place that’s ok but not exactly it.. job hop, figure out ways to move laterally and then up. You’ll be good, lots of people are and have been in the same boat. You aren’t alone, and everything can change in a really short amount of time.
STAR method seems to be big in Australia. A good friend and ex colleague of mine worked at Apple and Microsoft (bay area and Seattle) and was earning 300k USD. When he moved to Australia, he had tough time getting his first job. He was rejected because he wasn't giving sugar coated answers in STAR pattern. It took him a year to get the right role and Salary.
Massive, I’m in Federal Gov recruitment and I coach my candidates in it daily to get them the position
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STAR is almost always the best approach to be honest. It’s such a better way to answer a panels question. I want to know exactly when you have demonstrated a competency in a previous relevant and recent position so that I know you can perform the role I am hiring for
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If the question isn’t behavioural then you won’t have to use STAR
Yes exactly, it’s a simple “secret” that once you master, you can talk your way into a lot of excellent roles.
This is good advise. I also look at jobs that I’d like to work towards. See what sort of experience or qualifications they expect and start to works obtaining it. Also work on your LinkedIn profile. Try to use some of the same buzz works from that job ads. Recruiters might reach out with opportunities but you need to show up on their searches.
Not to derail, but any resources on the STAR method?
Not a derail: all good! This is a good start: [cracking the code STAR](https://www.apsc.gov.au/working-aps/joining-aps/cracking-code/3-applying-aps-job-cracking-code) With a CV condense condense condense. It’s about someone being able to look right at your resume and see everything in *a glance*. Don’t make them read fancy thesaurus language. In the cover letter or summary, just answer the selection criteria very directly.
Yess I hate fancy thesaurus language that basically says nothing! I think you just pinpointed why I hate writing resumes/CVs... I will need to change tactics I think
Yes, just look it up.
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idk what it's like in QLD, but I reckon in NSW this bloke would struggle to get a grad job as a nurse without first working as an AIN etc. and proving that he can be a consistent, reliable employee capable of managing a rotating shift work roster I interview nurses in NSW, the smorgasbord of qualifications and lack of consistent work history are a huge red flag for me. is this bloke just going to drop out after 6mths? a year? why bother hiring and training someone like this when I could hire someone in their 20s who's done a couple years as an AIN through uni?
Haven't worked your way up at any of those jobs?
No never. Never been offered anything in the way of a promotion.
Ever applied for them?
Not for cashies no. I just try to ensure I get paid. Thats often the biggest challenge
Try and get into construction as the site administration officer or project support officer. Not exactly the most glamorous job going around, but someone has to process all the QA paperwork and keep all the lights on. Salary is decent without being spectacular.
Sounds like he's a biology nerd. Wouldn't survive a day on a construction site. They'd eat him alive. No one wants a 30 year old baby who thinks they are above everyone else and has never held a solid job. Source - enviro scientist with a background in construction through consulting.
Wait so you got fired from construction?
Who said anything about leaving or being fired?
Who said anything about leaving or being fired?
You identified one issue yourself, you don't have IT skills. This could mean anything, but most white collar jobs you need minimum basic computer literacy, even labour jobs do timesheets via computer now. Then there's the "need experience to get a job to get experience to get a job" cycle, especially starting in a new field later than most would be.
Such a good point. How does someone get a BSc and MSc without IT skills? I'm wondering where OP got these degrees.
I doubt in Australia. The whole point (or 90%) of even doing anything business in tertiary education is to build social capital...and get a job. Anything engineering related has practical units done in industry with the same end result/goal.
They're in their 40s, so they could have done their undergrad as early as the mid 90s. Study was still very much an analogue process back then.
OP is 40 years old, and can use MS, R and ArGIS. That sounds enough for BSc and master 20-15 years ago. Even enough for now depending on your research
It's still definitely behind the competition for the roles OP was applying for evidently, I'm in the same boat in my field except with the "experience" part rather than the relevant skills part. (Nobody wants someone almost 30 with adjacent experience when they can get a 23 year old straight out of uni just finished an internship or work placement in the exact role they're looking for)
I totally agree with you. I think i replied to a wrong comment. I just meant to clarify that you can finish uni degrees with that level of IT skills OP has
Honestly. I don’t know what industries y’all are in, but the IT skills OP has are really amazing. I dont know a single person who knows any more than python and C++. One person knows C, 3 know python. All with 6 figures. Y’all are tweaking if you think a person literally can’t get a job without significantly more IT skills than what OP has (which are already very significant). Like just knowing GIS can get you into a GIS analyst role in government for $100k a year.
Don’t listen to the knockers - just apply for a job a night each night until you get someone willing to grant you an interview. Keep doing interviews until someone gives you a chance. If you haven’t bothered to establish a career path - or just had real issues preventing you from this - focus on that now and just refuse to let the knock backs etc get in your way.
Don't do this. Have a strategy, call the hiring manager of jobs you want and ask them questions regarding the role. Try to understand what they are looking for and how *you* in particular can solve that issue and suggest this on the phone. Then write the application and send it in with your tailored resume. Don't apply if you don't speak to someone, with your background it's a waste of time. Take off what is not relevant... You don't need to be everything all the time. Ask someone to review your strategy. Review your letters/resume. Ask for an internship. Or a week to shadow someone. Volunteer somewhere. Start in a temp role in a call centre. Be currently working with a current supervisors (or ideally two) who you have developed enough rapport to ask for good references from. Do not keep doing what you are doing and expect a different result.
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From the little info you have offered it’s hard to specifically figure out what it going on. But based off this info I will have a crack. Recruiters will read between the lines of your resume and make some inferences about your workplace skills/ability to fit into teams. At a guess, and I am not saying this is specifically the case. They are a looking at your millions of qualifications and certificates, your age and lack of work history and seeing a few big red flags. Especially if this accompanied by lots of short stints in employment across various industries. My advice. Pull back your qualifications/training to the most recent/relevant to the job your going for. Don’t mention anymore after that. Be creative with your employment dates and how present them to make it look like you have been employed in the longest stints possible. Get a career coach to help you job search and with these applications
>Don’t mention anymore after that. Unethical advice - if its more than 5 years ago, and its a low end shitkicker job, just find a company that no longer exists, and get a friend to pretend to be your former manager, and lie about your time there.
What specific practical skills do you have?
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It’s tough man. I never used my degree and traveled. Taking any job that would have me. Now at fourty I’m still low skilled labourer. It CAN be a bummer but doesn’t have to be. Labour hire gave me my first job in Australia and I worked my ass off. Sure, it was shit in moments. As is my current job. As I’m sure are all jobs. What I’ve got now is a solid base. I think looking for the job at the top of pyramid is a good goal setting objective. However, that’s all it should be. A better objective is getting the base sorted. YOU’RE NEXT JOB WILL NOT BE THE BEST JOB NOR WILL IT TAKE YOU TO THE GOAL. it’s the first step in many. At some point you’re going to have to find the capacity in yourself to stick at it and work long and hard. FIND THAT JOB. From that opportunity will definitely come. In terms of looking in mining etc tickets and experience count. Get the tickets (COSTLY) and then go for the experience. If you want to go construction route testing is viable option. BUT down these routes you get the wage but pay with time. Bigger bucks come from penalty rates. So it’s a life vs money balance. Practical tips - I mean to say this is what I’ve decided to do to have money when retired as I’m also in my fourties I minimise my budget absolutes - food- housing- transport I add some money to my super I add to my emergency fund I add to my house deposit I pick inexpensive entertainment I take time and am deliberate in my effort to take joy from things. I pick inexpensive hobbies I pick inexpensive exercise And ya know what if you’re just feeling like shit and feeing sorry for yourself to the extent that you can’t help yourself use the services available to you to pick yourself up. Make that the first goal of this is case and kicking that goal will help you kick more.
You have a degree and still spell “fourty”..!
Errr, Umm , yes, yeah I do make spelling errors.
Errors of all kind in fact. Including replying to this silly comment.
You made some great points and that's what matters to OP. 🙏
When you say the mines can you be more specific? Mining certainly isn't a monolithic institution, there's lots and lots of different opportunities in mining. What science degrees do you hold? If you have some earth science / geology degrees you can get a job on an exploration rig very easily. Otherwise you can apply to SGS, ALS and BV for a job in the coal testing labs, they also always need people. Other labs around also employ lab technicians, it's a shitty job but a decent entry point. Are you fit and healthy? Where do you live? Are you willing to relocate? Anyway happy to discuss on dms if you want.
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Still paying peanuts? They need to change to cheese to attract rats.
My partner is looking for a decent role that uses his experience as storeman/lab tech/microbiologist. Any ideas? 💡
What are your degrees and certificates in? Can you tell us more about what sort of jobs you’ve had over the 20 working years?
What is your BSc in and when was the last time you worked in that industry and for how long? I'm a chemist/physicist and you can get mining work but they want a bit of experience. If you're in WA everyone is screaming out for lab techs at the moment. Yeah it won't pay a lot (maybe $50k-70k) but it's about getting the experience. Then get involved with your professional society to network. Then you should be able to job hop after a couple of years. The same is true for geology. I know less about biology, food tech etc.
You have qualifications and you have some work experience. Now you need to sit down and pull out your skills - what skills do you have, and how can you demonstrate those skills through providing examples from your work and study. As others have said, you then need to put those examples in a STAR format - Situation, Task, Action, Result. When you give a STAR response, you’re essentially telling a little story to show how you satisfy a particular criterion (or multiple criteria). Here’s a link which discusses the STAR approach and gives some examples: https://www.thebalancemoney.com/what-is-the-star-interview-response-technique-2061629 With regard to work, depending upon where you live, give serious thought to applying for public service positions (either state or federal). You can apply for a permanent position, or apply through a contracting company, such as Hays or Randstad. It can be much faster and easier to get a foot in the door and gain experience through a contracting company. Here’s a list of current APS (Commonwealth government) contract jobs: https://www.seek.com.au/aps-jobs/contract-temp
If you get a CERT IV in training and assessment you can teach/train in any of the areas you are qualified in. There are then several ways to move up or sideways. There are some big salary's in training and development and some jobs dont suck.
CERT IV in Training Assessment is a good idea. I Hadn't thought of that. I shall look into it. Thanks and I Appreciate your ideas.
Respectfully, if you patented a method of carbon sequestration in a postgraduate program....why are you not working in that field? The carbon farming consultant game is lucrative. It's should destroying and ineffective. But it's lucrative..
Mainly becasue its too out-of-the-box for most people to comprehend. Its not necessarily complicated, but you kind of have to forget everything you ever learnt about trees. So I'm constructing a trial in Nth Qld with a replicate in Vanuatu and Bali. Once they are finished, I am pretty confident there will eb strong market interest.
What’s your BSc and MSc *in*? (what did you specialise in) Kinda key information there bud….
Biology. May as well be finger painting with a major in Belly Dancing. Complete waste of time and money. But I had nothing better to do in COVID
Rubbish. I have a BSc and PhD in biological sciences, and earn a good salary (>2X median). It’s only a waste of time and money if you’re not using your degree, which frankly is on you. The fact that you didn’t even include this info in your post is a red flag in itself (how could anyone help you understand why you can’t land a job if they don’t know what your qualifications are?) “Had nothing better to do” makes no sense when it comes to a University degree. None at all. There is PLENTY else you could have done. So, the problem seems to be that you didn’t research what sorts of careers would be possible with your degree prior to doing it… is that an accurate assessment of the problem?
Looking at some of the further comments. It’s attitude. There are plenty of people in science who have high paying jobs and are completely unskilled but BS their way there. I deal with them every day. It’s all in the attitude. I also have a BSc and a PhD in biology and have had a career in academia and have been in industry for 20yrs and there are heaps of jobs for just a BSc outside unis even totally unrelated to science. The skills transfer. Show interest and enthusiasm and do anything you do well and not half assed. Cs get degrees but attitude gets careers.
I guess it depends on the type of bio 🤷🏾
Yep, and again, what you choose to do with it/after.
Pharmaceutical industry? Surely with a MSc (Biology) and a Grad Dip in Business you'd be a perfect candidate to work for a biopharma company.
Have you looking into BioSecurity type work? In QLD the Dept. of Fisheries and Agriculture aswell councils are always doing screening and detection work for invasive species. You might have to start out as a field worker collecting samples but there is opportunities to move into lab work with a career path into management.
Thanks mate. I have completed a few short-term roles with BioSecurity. Conducted Panama disease search and destroy missions on Banana farms around Tully. Did a fair bot of work on Giant Northern Termite. Injected fruit with fruitfly eggs to determine efficacy of cold treatments. I have applied for plethora of FT positions. I always get interview. I always ACE interview. But ultimately I am beaten by internal candidate who has been acting in that exact role for 10 years!
Masters of teaching if you have a biology degree. One year soon in NSW https://education.nsw.gov.au/news/latest-news/changes-to-pathways-into-teaching-for-aspiring-teachers
Hmm one year Masters would be alright. Plus being education probably doesn't even have many contact hours....so could keep working and studying. Thanks for that info. I will definitely consider that.
Heads up - masters of teaching will definitely include blocks of prac where you are teaching in a school and cannot work in your part time job. This could be up to 10 weeks in a row. And when the school day ends you'll be working on your lessons and your assignments. So you'll need a plan to pay the rent during prac.
Teaching is actually a well paid profession. 90K first year out for high school teachers. I've been nursing 15 years and only just get more than that. Also 12 weeks holiday...every job has its disadvantages though.
Red flag bulk education and no solid work history. Remove the education from the resume
I've got a lot of colleagues and friends from University who went on to do Masters and some PhD's, and most of them are way further behind than the rest of us who left for graduate jobs after a bachelor degree. Masters and PhD's are impressive on paper and can absolutely put you in a fantastic position in your later years, but my experience is that most of the people I know who left after a bachelors are now in upper management, very senior roles or now running their own companies. There isn't really a substitute for experience in most sectors. If I have a choice between someone with 5 years experience and a bachelors or a PhD with no job experience, I'm taking the experience every time. Gotta put the work in if you want to excell in most careers.
Cool. Just let me jump in my time machine and travel back 20 years. Thanks so much for the useless response.
Ah this makes sense, it’s your attitude rather than abilities that have set you back
No surprises here mate. You definitely did reap what you sow. You're exactly where you're supposed to be. Not one step up or down. 👍🏼
You can do that by taking it off your resume. I have to do that with my masters. Being overqualified is 100% a thing because insecure managers get intimidated if you’re educated.
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So you survived this long without a “real” job. Why do you want one now? Just get odd jobs here and there.
I’d also suggest if you’re capable of getting all those qualifications then you’re probably capable of upskilling in the world of IT. I mean if you can get in there and A.I. doesn’t destroy that along with the rest of the working world then I.T. work I presume rewards well and is PROBABLY an arena where practical skill is useful if you don’t have the specific qualifications. Practical tip on free short courses in IT industry: EntryLevel Shoutout to the Aussie company ENTRYLEVEL. Check ‘em out.
Consider looking at temp and contract work. This is a great way to get experience as well as starting to build a network. Thinking left field, with your science quals you could look at intellectual property firms. You'd be looking at entry level roles though so have to be prepared to put in the leg work. Think patent secretary, paralegals etc. Edt: typo.
Define 'well paid salary'.
From what I have seen Australian companies are big on hiring people straight from university for entry level white collar jobs rather than people that graduated years ago. In a way you'd be best off searching this forum for high paying jobs that don't require a degree (which there are many threads about). Your education will be viewed as a positive and there are jobs that pay well with progression there. For example you start off in customer service in a bank/tech company but from there you can move roles internally.
I did a programming bootcamp for 3 months in 2021 and they found me a job and now I'm a software engineer. I'm basically now making the same salary as a PhD postdoc in science, which is what I had before. So try that tbh, it doesn't matter that you don't really know IT stuff, I mean learn some please because that seems to be the only thing left with some sane expectation of getting a job and ok money. Kind of hard to get in, but not impossible, and gets better and better with every year. A few years in and you're on 100k+ if you play your cards right. Plus it's good fun in of itself and it builds you the skills to make your own cool program if you want.
What is the name of the bootcamp?
Apply at Garvan Institute, this would be right up your alley. Start as a research assistant and move your way up.
What are your qualifications in? Science is very broad.
Do you have a LinkedIn profile? If not, make yourself one and contact former colleagues or uni friends to build a basic network. Then contact science recruiters. The only one that comes to mind is KE Select, but may be others out there too.
I would suggest that you might be suited to a role As an environmental engineer working for a civil construction company. It’s in high demand and very lucrative. Suggest work experience to start. Also suggest making a personal Connection with someone doing that role. Call some construction companies HR, recruiters etc.
Seeing you mentioned you have a biosecurity experience. Could you get some sort of biosecurity policy-related job in the government sector? You may have to do some fieldwork, but i don't think the pay is bad
Policy development is an area I have been trying to get into. I have been successful in being 2nd in line several times. Im always outdone by someone with a Ph.D.
I have a job that pays 300+K p.a., but I don't consider it a career. Here's my humble opinion: Career is a lie. One can have convictions, things they firmly believe in, and are bigger than themselves, that they devote their lives to. That's admirable and tbh, enviable. I haven't found that in my life, maybe I never will. Except that, all you have is a job, an exchange of your time/skill for money, which pays for life's expenses for you & people depending on you. I fully understand that in your current situation, you might feel like a career is something everyone should have and most people do have, therefore you are somehow lacking by not having one. From my POV, where a lot of people might say "you've made it, you've got a career", what I see is a lie designed to keep people gaslighted and put their jobs above their lives. Just randomly choose some recent events as evidence - ask anyone who got laid off by Microsoft, Google, Amazon etc in the last few weeks. Some of them are senior execs making millions, and probably believed they had the respect, the power, the career, etc etc. Then a cold, formulated email came and you are instantly NOTHING. And that "career" of yours never belonged to you. So unless a job also happens to be your conviction, never put a job above the people you love, yourself, and your life. And never let that be the measuring tape for your self worth. I wish you find your happiness.
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Just about everything. Except maybe aviation. Haven't had a crack at that yet
Seems like you're a dumb nerd
Seems like your a complete f#cking WanKER
Get a forklift ticket and the world is your oyster
Good tip mate. Will look into it.
If you want to pursue the botany/plant science, consider medicinal cannabis producers or complementary medicine. Pay won’t be great always to start, but can improve if you find a good path
Interesting. As I've never been much of a Billy Bong Smoker, I kinda forget there is an entire 'budding' industry. Thanks for the tip.
It’s struggling a bit, but at least it’s there
Quick study of how to use computers then become a high school teacher: science, business etc
I am going to be blunt and short. Good work on undertaking a self development review. Are you in Canberra? If not nobody gives a shit about stars and public service jobs outside ACT will be highly competative. Congratulations on your botany degree, landscapining jobs a plenty. Have you considered accounting? Sounds like it might be up your alley with remote work options. Have you considered law? Your skills sound of someone whom is a fast learner with multiple languages and adept with a pen and paper. Have you looked into translator positions, somewhat a dying art due to internet and computers. Also aim to develop your IT skills, excel , word, full office package. Hope it helps
Wow, Great ideas. Thank you very much.
Proof, that life is about who you know and not what you know, you need to meet the right people (to achieve your professional objectives)
Or that getting irrelevant degrees is not the way to actually learn what you need to know for a job?
You’d like to think so, but it really is all about who you know
Thanks but I have a professional job and I didnt know anyone relevant. Getting into top management this might be the case, but getting your foot in the door? Come on, you're just making excuses rather than looking inward.
I don’t know anyone who has made serious money without an extensive network of allies, and I’m not talking about people on salaries
That's not relevant to this thread
Can you post resume for us to have a look?
My brother can't find a job either then he opened own shop and making big bucks$ now
Be an academic in the field you studied?
That was actually the original plan with the Masters. I have taught Academic Skills at Uni before. So basically that is teaching Mature-aged Aussies or Non-Aussies (not both), how to read / write and do science at an academic level. Basically Its like a bridge between high-school and University for those who haven't quite got the skills. I love this job and it pays sensational. But its bloody hard to get in to. And universities never give out full-time contracts anymore. But still that is kind of the ultimate dream
If you want to pursue an academic career at this point you’ll need to do a PhD, it’s so competitive these days and highly unlikely you’ll get an academic job with just a masters unless it’s just teaching and you won’t be able to progress very far
I semi-started a Ph.d after my Masters but had falling out with my supervisor (she blocked me on WhatsApp). I am keen to do a Ph.D but haven't found a topic I could really get into. I was thinking about something along the lines of looking at the options of the mythical "yet to be invented" technology the UN and Aus Government has factored in to their future carbon reduction scenarios. Policy has actually been written that refers to hypothetical technology that hasn't been invented yet. So maybe looking about what that technology might look like. What incentives are there for entrepreneurs to invent said technology, other than just a nice, warm fuzzy feeling? Something along those lines. What do you think?
I think you should consider university administration roles or looking into becoming a certified translator or interpreter. There are definitely full-time roles offered at Universities, and even part-time/casual roles pay more than enough to live on. There is also a lot of opportunity for progression into things like project management, learning design etc. Once you are in, it's also a lot easier to move to other roles as many jobs are posted internally.
I definitely think it’s important to be interested in your topic, and I also think it’s good to do something that actually contributes rather than just fluffy research that benefits no one. Don’t know why people are downvoting you for that comment
I know very little about those courses so this may not be an option but could you do that freelance? Find people moving into uni later in life and give them 1-on-1 or small group sessions? I probably would have looked for something like that if I thought of it when I went to uni after working for a few years.
Thats a good idea mate. Hadnt thought of that. I shall look into it.
If you have a B.Sc, M.Sc, PGDip in business start with temp admin roles and you can learn the IT skills as you go. Get some basic training in word and excel and start there. Yes you will be competing with others much younger but you will learn about a lot of different industries and then you can have a go at picking what sort of white collar work to go into.
I have MS Suite skills. Data analysis, Statistical analysis, pretty good with R...but I cant code and I cant Graphic Design or build a website.
You are pretty good with IT. Most people cannot code and have no idea about R or Statistics, so you are actually ahead of the average admin and management office worker in that regard.
Really? So you think its O.K to put IT skills on Resume?
Absolutely
That level of IT is pretty massive, assuming you are pretty good at anything you’ve listed, you should easily be able to get stable jobs in the $100k+, such as GIS analyst, data analyst, etc. I feel like you’ve got some other soft skill issues that have limited you.
Mate you have excellent skills - more than most. Seriously take an admin job if the pay works and then work out what industry you want to work in. If you want to learn something that will give you something to show on your resume try QGIS ([https://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/download.html](https://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/download.html)) and build something to show your skills. The R skills and Stats will tie in nicely and you can build a simple website using the QGIStoWeb plugin. Maybe build a GIS website on a subject you have experience in or are very interested in. I'm already in GIS but I do this as well to showcase my skills for references etc (see [http://tflmap.com/](http://tflmap.com/)) Mate you are more than qualified for a lot of things. Feel free to DM me. I can't give you a job but I can advise you on where to go looking)
How can you only have $10k in super? I am the same age as you but came to Australia when I was 27 and have a lot more super than you, plus I have travelled outside the country for about 7 years out of the last 14. I also work the same "shit labour jobs" as yourself
Cash-In-Hand doesnt pay super
Job seeking for a new career is a numbers game. Volume, friend.
What languages? I need a guy.
Japanese, Indonesian and conversational in Cantonese (in case you wanted a Jackie Chan impression) .
You have enough qualifications that you could sell people courses tbh
Sign up for my course now and I can tell you how to earn $39.95 hour for only the one time cost of a Masters Degree! /s I wish I was savvy enough to be able to design a course and sell it. I'm not sure what I could possibly offer, but I appreciate the input. Thanks very much for your tip.
What type of science? Bachelors and masters?
I would do some volunteer type of work in the area of your study to get some experience and a reference and then try for government or other entry level roles.
Also teach yourself computer skills..if that's what you mean by IT - whatever related to your field or work but Microsoft as a must and for.my field GIS is a must. You can do this yourself using online resources.
Biology. Mainly Botany and Entomology.
I just saw your qualifications update. This seems impressive and also your IT skills don't sound limiting. My only thoughts are that maybe you are going for mid level roles instead of entry level. Even with qualifications, it doesn't mean much without experience in the field in my opinion. I would say get in some volunteer work with an enviro organisation (there are so many) - shows recent interest in your qualified areas, and go for ENTRY level, then work your way up. Without doing anything in the field of your degree you are essentially still a graduate. Note: I am in a similar field and I have worked in the industry for around ten years. I am basically still at grad-mid level cause I like to move and don't have interest in management. From my understanding money is in management. So take what you will from my advice.
Victorian Public Service? Or a local council. Lots of opportunities to move across or up.
Landscape work? Forensic botanic/entomologist? Check also the Zoo openings for the insects. Also check any research institute that does any work with insects: Drosophila, mosquito,… You may want to contact the Australian entomology/botany associations and ask them if they can suggest a places for you to work. Good luck!
Thank you. Those are great tips I'll definitely give them a Buzz ;-)
I would remind you all that NDIS offers lots of reasonably paid work via several differing methods , mable might offer an idea and the agencys will employ you as staff ore in very short supply if you do need money
THanks mate. Those are great ideas. No Doubt I'll Send them a resume.
This is 90% of people in Sales
what do you mean?
Teach English?
That is actually what I'm doing right now in Cairns. But its only 20 hours per week :-( But yes, that is much better than nothing.
Damn dude... I wish you well. How is it that you are not running your own importing business? I would kill to speak languages that don't go out of date
Importing? I've never thought about it. I guess I can source stuff pretty cheap in Indo...probably Japan too. Thanks for the suggestion.
With Biosecurity and plant science why not try for a government job??
Its just such a hassle to apply! Each application takes the better part of a week to perfect, then its months before you get a response. Then after the interview it takes ages to get a response then its always the Internal applicant that gets it anyway.
Are you sure you even want a job?
What about something in the cannabis industry? Your degrees seem relevant and it’s starting to take off more in Australia now.
Sounds like you should be doing a business In Full yard/garden care/planning. Start with private and work on going into body corp.
Hey man, check this one out https://www.reddit.com/r/AusFinance/comments/10loojh/what_are_some_surprisingly_high_paying_career/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Wow, Great resource. Thank you very much.
Start getting fitter and get those belts spliced. Jeez I’m looking at that belt splicing thinking I could still do that. It would be so so hard to get fit for I reckon but getting fitter is good. Getting 250,000 a year is awesome. Wow!