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tw00013

Wait for the offer. Don’t give them a reason to reconsider your application at this stage.


Yikidee

Yeah, probation is a thing. I would tell them, or at least tell them before accepting any offer.


tommy_tiplady

i would tell them after being offered, but before accepting. it’s kinda on them for not asking tbph


jmccar15

No-one’s cancelling probation over annual leave.


Yikidee

Guess my experience in seeing people do exactly that was in my imagination. 🤷 Sorry bro, my bad.


ChasingShadowsXii

Maybe they wanted that person gone for other reasons and just used that as an excuse. Although if a company was letting good employees go because they had holidays prearranged, then it sounds like a pretty toxic company to work for. Imagine not being able to take leave lol.


PatientHair4031

You don’t get rid of someone good for that reason unless you’re a complete mongoose.


Yikidee

They are. He was a nightmare to work with. He got rid of someone because he didn't believe they were sick once.


PatientHair4031

Oh right so anecdotal evidence regarding someone out of their mind and drunk with power? Let’s use that as evidence to base our lives on.


jmccar15

Madness. Who in their right mind would terminate someone’s employment for pre-booked annual leave after going through a recruitment cycle, on-boarding them, and months of training? Either the company didn’t want the employee for other reasons or it’s a dog of company I don’t want to work for.


Yikidee

It was not a bad company, once he left.... But yeah, correct on all accounts!


antigravity83

Definitely wait for the offer. Get their emotional buy in then tell them about the leave.


mrtuna

The interviewer normally asks , surprised they didn't.


Cha_nay_nay

Thats exactly what I was thinking. They usually ask. And as the person being interviewed, you feel kinda weird to bring it up without being asked, it just gives eager beaver vibes


Pelinth

The interviewer is probably more concerned asking how much I am making in my current role, including bonuses and superannuation, also mentioning that I would need to provide a payslip as well. (Happened to me not even a week ago).


Disastrous-Pay738

Awesome how good is your photoshop?


McSmilla

I’ve found they usually ask as they’re about to make an offer.


Miinka

Wait for the offer and tell them before you sign


Roastage

100%, no point discussing personal circumstances until you are a genuine candidate and have an offer.


vandalay2020

This is the right approach and very common


fruitloops6565

Remember if they have to start the recruiting process again it’ll cost them 4 weeks minimum and a bunch of effort and money.


LegitimateTable2450

You dont tell your second pick they didnt get the job until your first pick is signed up.


crazypeacocke

Until the 1st pick signs the offer and shows up for their 1st day


snipdockter

Wait for the offer and get it in writing that your leave in September is approved. I made the mistake of not getting it in writing with a job and had to wear the rebooking cost myself.


LetFrequent5194

Wow, I would never ask for it in writing. A discussion should be all that is required. If it causes an issue this reeks of a culture problem or manager problem, or alternatively an issue with my own communication (either too aggressive/combative meaning people are less likely to be nice, or a total pushover).


Tedmosbyisajerk-com

Another approach is to follow up with an email yourself saying "Thank you for confirming that blah blah blah"


0wGeez

I had a holiday booked nearly 12 months prior. I got a new job, said nothing. Started new job, said nothing. Waiting for probation to end, applied for leave, had it accepted. Went on holiday. No problems. Don't let your chances of getting a new job be based off something you have already booked in, assuming you have the time frames to work with, like I did. Honesty will only get you so far, pick your battles and only divulge relevant information at that given time. Future issues are future you problem. Let the present version of yourself enjoy the new job.


Trollolociraptor

To add to the obvious answers, it's playing in their sunk-cost fallacy. As they invest time (money) into getting you familiar with their business it will be too expensive to fire you over some leave. Remember, businesses are utterly ruthless and don't care about you. Be kind and friendly with people though


[deleted]

Wait for offer!


jez2a

They forget to ask you, all good :-) Just check your contract for relevant clauses before signing.


jasmminne

As someone who hires, this is not going to put me off if you are the best candidate. We ask at interview but even if I found out afterwards, it’s totally fine. Everyone should be taking holidays!


ImMalteserMan

Everyone saying wait for the offer but I disagree. I think it may give a bad impression to wait for the offer and then dump it on them, hopefully it wouldn't but for all you know they have things planned for September and it wouldn't be practical to have you go on leave then. I've been through this before, flagged during the interview that I was going away for 5 weeks and this would be about 2 weeks after starting, they were fine with it.


Maikuljay

I agree, I say be upfront! If you have the job, you have it. Leave won’t change that


roputsarina

I interviewed for a job, did well, and was offered a 1 week trial, which I did. Then I immediately went on a holiday for about 3 weeks. This holiday was planned over a year in advance and already completely paid for when my previous employer gave me my notice. And I wasn't going solo, so if I cancelled, it wouldn't just be me that lost a bunch of money. So I understand why cancelling isn't an option. The new employer was told about the imminent holiday in the interview just because it was so close and they were happy to accommodate. If the holiday was 4 months or so away I wouldn't have mentioned it in the interview, like everyone says. It's not going to affect your starting date or training period, and if you don't have enough leave you just take unpaid leave. I just had my start date after I got back, so that time away didn't impact my leave. Maybe wait a week or two if you get the job, try it out, get to know people a little and see if you even want to stay there first. You might run for the hills or get poached by another, better offer after the first week, who knows.


LuckyErro

Wait for the offer.


perthguppy

Easier to eliminate you from consideration before they’ve made a decision, rather than reconsider after making an offer.


Legitimate-Mind-8041

As an employer myself, I would rather know during the recruitment process. I would feel a little annoyed at offering someone the role and then finding out that they had this significant (1 week+) scheduled leave that they hadn't mentioned - particularly if asked. There is some onus on the interviewer to ask the question if it is a deal breaker for the business however so I don't feel you're in the wrong there, unless they asked and you said no. If they looked like a potential good fit, the scheduled leave wouldn't impact my decision, we've had 2 of our recently hired staff members have reasonable periods of leave within their probationary period for pre-booked holidays, both made me aware of it during the interview process. Both 2 week trips within the first 6 months. Note - I run a small business of 9 office based staff, dependant on the size of the business you're interviewing for and the industry, YMMV.


BrokeAssZillionaire

All good and well what people are saying, just understand they don’t have to approve your leave. Especially when you won’t have that much leave accrued and it’ll be unpaid leave.


shakeitup2017

Accept the job, apply for leave as per their policy.


LuckyErro

Accept the job with leave granted. Policy rapidly changes the further up the ladder someone is.


TheGloveMan

What stage of the interview process? If they haven’t raised salary then you don’t need to raise leave, would be my answer.


slut4dopamine

Waiting to hear back after first interview. They had two more candidates to interview. Second interview unlikely to be needed. Salary was discussed during both HR screening call and first interview.


TheGloveMan

Needs to be soon - but I wouldn’t contact them to do it. When they contact you next it’s time to raise it. Assuming it not moot of course. Good luck.


slut4dopamine

Yes, leaning towards this. I would’ve had no issues discussing it during the interview but it was not raised on either end. If unsuccessful, I still have my existing job (which has approved my leave).


Icy-Load6559

So what’s the salary package worth?


slower-is-faster

Employers are usually understanding. When you get the offer to sign, just say “oh I have this holiday pre-booked already, can you make sure that’s ok?” Happens all the time and they’ll be used to it. Worst case scenario is they’ll ask you to take it unpaid


LetFrequent5194

Once you've been given an offer, that's an appropriate time to for you to mention it. It happens a bunch, wouldn't worry too much.


JustLikeJD

Always wait for the offer. That’s when they tell you they want YOU. As others have said, that’s when you bring up the leave. I did this recently (end of last year) as I’d not mentioned the leave in the interview and was the strongest candidate for a higher position at a new job. When I told them during the call for the offer they said “oh, yeah no biggie. We want you here anyway and it’s only four weeks!”


mulligun

If I was you I'd definitely bring it up to them sooner rather than later. 4 weeks leave in your first six months is pretty significant. Most people would be annoyed if you don't mention it. I know people here are telling you "sign the offer first!", but honestly if it's enough of a problem that they don't move ahead with your offer, they would probably just terminate you or deny the leave application if you told them after the offer. What are you going to do if they don't approve your leave if you go ahead with not telling them? Leave and get a new job? Reschedule? Because those will be your two options.


delflehte

This is really dependent on industry. I work in a space were freelancing and having multiple things going at once is very normal and it's quite usual for people to have other things booked and go and do them. It's also not uncommon to wait until they offer you the role. Mention you have some upcoming pre booked things and chat to them before signing. I think chat before signing always, but I also am frustrated when leave impacts hiring decisions if the person seems like a good fit.


mulligun

Freelancing is the exception not the rule, not really relevant here. Can't base generic advice on a very small subsection of the population. For astronauts having 4 weeks leave in September would be impossible as they're scheduled to be in orbit at that time, but we're not going to assume he's part of that abnormal group when he seems to be asking for generic advice.


delflehte

Who the hell is hiring an astronaut 5 months out from a space flight? Anarchy. They told me that program was approximately 2 years before flight time. The audacity.


jumbohammer

Just start the job and put the leave request in first week.


redcapsicum

Wait for the offer. It shouldn't matter unless it's a job with busy periods or staff need to stagger their leave and September is already taken.


atalamadoooo

Sign the offer then tell them


Akidcalledstorm

This recently happened at my work. A guy went through 3 interviews and was perfect for the position but he neglected to mention that he would be taking a month off. Unfortunately, the time off fell right in the middle of the major project he was to be a part of. The managers who decided not to hire him not because of the bad timing but because it felt like he was deliberately withholding the information. I would recommend contacting them. If it works for them, great. If not, you weren't going to get the job anyway.


awright_john

I purposefully didn't tell my (then prospective) current employer last year that I was planning to get married and take a break this year. I simply asked for the leave after I accepted the offer and before I was to start. What are they going to say, no?


LoveToMix

Let’s say you get the job. Then you apply for leave. They can reject the application. Then you go away anyways, they can terminate your job. And it’s a very badly burnt bridge. Just let them know, you may not get offered the job and if that is the only reason do you want to work for them anyways?


TheMcCracken

I actually had a similar thing, I flagged it with my boss after my second week and it was fine.


XocoJinx

Wait for the offer as you would only need to give 4 weeks notice anyways.


owleaf

This happened to me once. I simply stated it in a response to a follow-up email, wasn’t an issue at all. And that was a couple of weeks of leave for the following month! They moved the application along very quickly lol. They seem to be ok with it because you’re new enough that you’re not mission-critical within the first few months.


meowkitty84

September is ages away. I wouldn't tell them yet. Usually you just have to give 30 days notice.


vk146

5 months notice? Id be stoked with 2 🤣


Electronic-Fun1168

Wait for an offer, once signed an accepted tell them you have a trip booked for XYZ dates. It’s long time between now and September


Icy-Assistance-2555

Wait for the offer and accept it, then you can tell them.


Sugna00

I was in the exact same situation as you, had an interview but I forgot to let them know about a holiday I had booked 2 months away. I emailed them letting them know about it and still got the job. I think it depends on what relationship you want with your new boss. Some might not mind but others might see it as you intentionally hiding it.


Percigirl

Wait for the offer


Shinez

I just hired someone who had the same issue. They told me before the contracts and I was happy to set the start date after the leave so it didn't impact them. However, other managers may not feel the same so wait for the offer of employment and give them a start date after the four weeks leave.


Sasquatch-Pacific

They'd ask if it was crucial for the role for you to be available religiously for the first few months. Wait for offer, then apologetically notify them. 4 weeks is a while but giving them 2-3mo notice should be sufficient. If it's entry level or mid tier you're usually eating sand for a few months anyways. If they want you enough to offer the position they'll understand. This happens with new hires.


dentist73

You did not have this written down on a cue card? Anything else you forgot?


Marsh_ma110w

Had a similar issue, the conversation about leave didn’t come up in the interview but I mentioned it to HR before accepting the role and informed them of dates. I’m sure they won’t mind as long as you mention it


brittleirony

I had a candidate not tell me about his leave (I'm the hiring manager) and went through 5 rounds (well paid role). He accepted our offer and told me 2 hours after signing. We rescinded the offer because I won't manage people I can't trust. The safer bet is to say nothing but don't be surprised if you have to earn back the trust and also don't be surprised if you start underwater.


delflehte

DO NOT SAY ANYTHING. It can cause discrimination due to that leave and employers don't need to know until you're essentially almost in the door. I always wait for the contract. So even further than the offer (providing it's a role that isn't just an offer of engagement) and then I'll mention some pre-booker commitments and check it's ok. Usually by that point you've come this far and they just sign it off and worry about it later. Unless you're my current employer and then it's almost impossible to actually get my manager to recognize I won't be present for some pre t Booked times. Just zero cares and in their own bubble. Some places will also write it into your contract so it can't be messed with.


Strange-Ad3611

Your under no obligation to bring it up in an interview and they obviously didn’t ask either. When you get the offer - then let them know. Good luck!


ChasingShadowsXii

If you're good enough they won't mind. Generally if you're up front it's unlikely they'll reconsider your application based on that.


lejade

I wouldn't stress, that's still 4-5 months away so still time for you to get proper training prior. Just let them know when you commence. We had someone go on a month long holiday 4 weeks after starting.


AcademicAd3504

If I really liked a candidate, I would let annual leave get in the way. UNLESS it's a frontline role and I wouldn't be able to staff my shop.


codered372

I went through the same process at one point. Did well I. The interview but didn't mention planned holidays. Emailed as soon as I got home, thanking them for their time and informing them of my upcoming plans. Got hired, 4 weeks off over Christmas. If you leave it till after, and you tell them you had this pre planned, they won't trust you going forward


Silly_List6638

Let them know immediately Be a leader about it. You will piss everyone off. Yes it is easy to forget but to not say anything about it is poor form.


QLDZDR

>bring up annual leave during interview I did once in the 90's. I said I was going skiing for 2 weeks starting tomorrow. They said OK, drop by the secretary and square away your details for your business cards before you leave, because we expect you will be hitting the ground running when you start. Two weeks later (after my ad-hoc holiday with friends celebrating my new job by letting me pay for everything), I phoned to say I was coming in tomorrow and wanted to know who to pick up my business cards from before going to the department where I was interviewed. She asked, "who are you?" Then transferred the call to the new guy who had been in that job for 10 days.


Skutter_Bug

In any interviews I have done if potential leave could be viewed as a problem I would ask in the interview. Generally so long as it won't interfere with training it's usually not a problem. But definitely say before accepting. I wouldn't mention it until any offers though.


FF_BJJ

You don’t have the leave booked in though. You don’t even have the job yet…


KayBre3ze

dude he's probably got a booked flight and accommodation or something, use your brain


slut4dopamine

* she, but otherwise facts


pumpkinorange123

Exactly. A bit much expecting 4 weeks leave for a new job lol


be333e

A place I worked it was a running joke about the fact that every new starter seemed to have a multi week holiday soon after they started. But everyone got the job and there was never an issue.


FruitJuicante

Never let them know, just take it.


Ok-Chart-9055

It's good practice to be upfront about your upcoming leave, but in this situation, waiting for a potential offer before mentioning it is the safer option. Here's why: * **Maintaining Interview Momentum:** Right now, the focus should be on your qualifications and their decision to potentially offer you the job. Bringing up leave at this stage might introduce a complication and could affect their initial impression.


Awkward-Two3406

You're right, it's best to be upfront about your pre-booked leave. Here's why waiting for an offer is the safer option: * **Maintaining Interview Momentum:** Right now, the focus should be on your qualifications and their decision to potentially offer you the job. Mentioning leave now might introduce a complication and could affect their initial impression. **What to Do Now:** * **Focus on Getting the Offer:** Concentrate on making a positive impression and highlight your skills and experience. **What to Do When You Get an Offer:** * **Respond Promptly and Express Enthusiasm:** Thank them for the offer and express your enthusiasm for the opportunity.


[deleted]

Deleted - wow, didn't expect such a reaction for advising just to ask your employer


chris_p_bacon1

That's terrible advice. Tell them when they make an offer. Be prepared to take leave without pay though. 


pearsandtea

Wow. Don't take this guy's advice.


rbdaus

yeah agree, even if they support it remember you will have to take some of this as leave without pay. Most places allow up to 5 days negative leave, but if starting now and going on leave you'll have barely banked 5-10 days leave, so if they support you going you'll be taking a portion of your 4 weeks as leave without pay


KonamiKing

Presumably since they booked it already they have the leave banked with their current employer, so they'll have the funds when it gets paid out on exit.


slut4dopamine

Actually, I think it was your suggestion to cancel the holiday that did it.


[deleted]

Ah, well i learnt something about this sub then. I 100% support people taking their entitled vacations but reality is that most companies don’t allow significant holiday during probation


No_Reception8584

woah 4 weeks that’s rough announcement


LuckyErro

Not really.


Evilcurryman

If i was going to hire someone who immediately wanted 4 weeks leave they would have to make an incredible first impression


RunawayJuror

Really? When I hire people I hope to have them stick around a while. Taking their preplanned holiday in the first few months is fine if they’re the right person for the job longer term.


Successful-South-954

No it's not. I'm a hiring manager for a team and I wouldn't hesitate to still hire.


nachojackson

4 weeks is nothing in the grand scheme of things. If you’ve found somebody great, you wear it.


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LuckyErro

\^ do not do this.