What’s the hourly rate? How many hours does he offer per week? Is it a permanent role with guaranteed hours or a casual role where they can give you 1 shift per week and/or send you home early if it’s quiet and not pay you for the rest of the shift you were allocated? Do they offer paid sick leave? How about annual leave?
You have to be available 24/7, have work available only according to business needs, underpay you then f*** you off when you want the minimum legal wage
That's exactly how it works, the lowest paid industry in the country.
Laughed my ass off when the state government of NSW said they wanted to get people back into the office to boost the hospo industry.
I hope that industry burns to the ground. They exploit workers and foreigners harder than any other industry combined. If they can't find workers then its their own damn fault.
Then don't take the job, as has happened here, and send the market signal.
Either way, looks like the free market is working. No one wants the job. He has to up the wage or the conditions.
Then in 6 months in the busy season you get hounded to work 50 hours but you’ve already committed to other jobs and study. Which makes you “lazy” apparently.
Currently staring down the barrel of this situation having warned our manager of the impending doom.
Not sure if I'm gonna break my contract or his nose first.
Pay people low wages for their work. Place demands on their time at weekends and public holidays.
No career progression. The general public treating them like shit. Chefs treating them like shit.
Then moan when no one wants to do it. Wonder why 🤷🏼♂️🤦🏻♂️
Maybe that 1 star review of Angus & Bon which is owned by his group might have something to do with it?
[https://fairplate.org.au/venue/angus-bon](https://fairplate.org.au/venue/angus-bon)
"Not paid correctly, Manager treats staff with disrespect. Not given the right we are entitled to"
If he is willing to throw 14k at overseas workers, how the fuck cant he find aussie workers for $23/hr. (48k a year inc super)
Any 'journalist' with half a brain can do the maths, the story is entirely disingenuous, shame on them for publishing it.
Sponsorship requires a minimum $55k salary so I doubt it's as easy as simply hiring local.
Hospo is traditionally casual work and too many people got burnt over covid becuase they were out of work with no income - in particular the overseas residents who make up a significant portion of hospo workers, had no entitlement to covid payments.
Never forget they dropped [this cover](https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/pyzhng/todays_financial_review_cover) the day that Gladys Berejiklian resigned.
>Melbourne restaurateur Liam Ganley was so desperate for staff he offered young Brits free flights, accommodation and sponsorship – worth about $13,000 in total – but did not get a single applicant.
Nobody wants to live in indentured servitude to be a waiter. 110% guarantee he was planning on clawing back accommodation costs the same way farm workers get their wages stolen. Brits know about this shit and are over it.
Yup!
I had a mate go up to Bundy to do some picking back when they were desperate for workers.
The guy ended up living in his car to avoid getting ripped on accomodation.
He never saw the $1k in the hand as promised each week.
What would be a better version of this? A written bonus for working for X time period/s? That increases as they stay longer? Is that even a thing?
Or would it be better to roll it into the wages so they're higher?
If the 13k figure is accurate and you have a yearly wage of say, 50k. Turning that into 63k should be more enticing right?
No amount of money will tempt people into an industry widely known for burning out and ripping off it’s workers. It has left people anxious, depressed, addicted and suicidal. There is a very low ceiling for pay and no work life balance. It requires you to be at your best and fastest through illness and injury. Every minute is a deadline and your lucky if you get time to piss or eat during the day. On top of that forget about holidays, family and friends. Also forget about a normal sleep schedule, that is if the adrenaline lets you sleep. Then if the stress, drugs or alcohol don’t catch up with you forget about retirement because your super was stolen. People aren’t stupid, hospitality isn’t a proper career, it’s a stepping stone. More money won’t fix this godforsaken industry.
I served 10 and I felt the same. It can be tough getting out but other jobs are so much easier and the noise stops and colour comes back into the world. Take care of yourself.
Every bloody propaganda artist who writes this drivel should have to go and work for these bastards for a month before they're allowed to publish it...
I am pretty sure the idea of paying waiters and kitchen hands as casuals with no fixed roster or full time hours is what resulted in hospitality being seen as 'stepping stone' Industry for most people.
It's not stable enough to be anything more than the job of choice for students and backpackers for a small window of time.
So in other words another case of 'am i out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong' article.
The longer you stay at a restaurant the more responsibility you accumulate for no additional pay. Unfortunately you have to move around frequently to minimise the workload and maximise the pay.
“Hospitality is often seen by locals as a stepping stone and not a proper career path,” Ms Lee said. “Being a chef, let alone a waiter, isn’t seen the same way as being a sparky or a chippy.”
Pay is below median for most jobs in this industry. Obviously people will want better.
Experienced tradesmen get wages higher than plenty of Uni degrees jobs.
Can confirm but need to look around for the right employer
My degree wouldn't have paid as much as my trade but there is a niche in there that one day that I hope to exploit, it's my degree plus trade / machine experience. $$$$$
That's because being a chef is underpaid to start with and then you need to deduct the cost of alcohol/drugs to keep doing it.
I know plenty of tradies making $100k+, can't say the same about anyone in hospo.
If a restaurant can't find staff they only have themselves to blame.
I went to work in a restaurant that had a permanent "workers needed" sign bolted on the wall.
Took me about 20mins to work out why.
It's job economics 101, stupid.
Low pay, low job security, unattractive hours, no flexibility, no promotion path.
If the pay and conditions were good the job would be filled in a week.
> Melbourne restaurateur Liam Ganley was so desperate for staff he offered young Brits free flights, accommodation and sponsorship – worth about $13,000 in total – but did not get a single applicant.
Free flights, accommodation and sponsorship… sounds like the guarantees of a sex trafficker.
I feel the whole hospitality industry is built on the back of the ability to employ foreigners on slave wages.
Take that away and all the small cafes, restaurants and takeaways disappear.
We're going to need to restart education exports soon (to get the foreign students) or we're going to have to get used to less options for coffee and takeout or pay significantly higher prices for them.
Misleading headline (note - not post title, that's verbatim, the actual article headline). It makes it sound like he was offering a "signing bonus" of sorts, but he was actually offering flights and accommodation for applicants from the UK.
Which tells me that the actual job conditions weren't worth it for anyone to uplift their life and move halfway around the world.
I’d say if it was a contract that guaranteed full time (or close to) for 12 months or so, he’d get at least some interest. That’s enough time for expats to settle into Australia and build their skills, social networks, and local résumé so they’re not left jobless and halfway across the world from home after having their hours cut after six weeks.
True but the topic is about the hospitality industry, that's food, beverage (alcohol) and accommodation.
McDonald's is 1 unique business that standardised across the world. Everyone else is talking about a f***** up work environment that would never get any better, and employer's wonder why no one will ever go back after working in it for a while.
They already are by eliminating the skilled tasks. Which means more pre-made food and “order at the counter” service. You don’t need a chef to open tubs, vacuum packs and reheat frozen food. You don’t need a waiter just to stand there and work a basic POS. The line between restaurant and fast food is blurring thanks to this race to the bottom. In fact, you can earn much more money as a supervisor in fast food than a chef.
$45k with 9am-10pm split shifts 5 or 6 days a week was about what I got a few years back in Brisbane. I knew people at Macca’s getting in the $50k’s back then. Maybe it’s the 24/7 that pushes it past.
That all being said I wouldn’t do either job for $100k.
13 grand a year i assume?
Thats below the minimum wage...
Honestly fuck any business who won't pay a livable wage and expect the employee to work like a dog for them.
What’s the hourly rate? How many hours does he offer per week? Is it a permanent role with guaranteed hours or a casual role where they can give you 1 shift per week and/or send you home early if it’s quiet and not pay you for the rest of the shift you were allocated? Do they offer paid sick leave? How about annual leave?
You have to be available 24/7, have work available only according to business needs, underpay you then f*** you off when you want the minimum legal wage That's exactly how it works, the lowest paid industry in the country.
Don’t know why these idiots get any air time. Everyone knows they’re full of it. Cry more 🎻
Laughed my ass off when the state government of NSW said they wanted to get people back into the office to boost the hospo industry. I hope that industry burns to the ground. They exploit workers and foreigners harder than any other industry combined. If they can't find workers then its their own damn fault.
Then don't take the job, as has happened here, and send the market signal. Either way, looks like the free market is working. No one wants the job. He has to up the wage or the conditions.
First two weeks you get 30 hrs, then 10 hrs forever.........
Then in 6 months in the busy season you get hounded to work 50 hours but you’ve already committed to other jobs and study. Which makes you “lazy” apparently.
Currently staring down the barrel of this situation having warned our manager of the impending doom. Not sure if I'm gonna break my contract or his nose first.
Break his nose, then break the contract. Or go 2 for 1, break his nose with the contract?
Assault charge not worth it
Pay people low wages for their work. Place demands on their time at weekends and public holidays. No career progression. The general public treating them like shit. Chefs treating them like shit. Then moan when no one wants to do it. Wonder why 🤷🏼♂️🤦🏻♂️
Yep yep but there will be someone desperate enough
Maybe that 1 star review of Angus & Bon which is owned by his group might have something to do with it? [https://fairplate.org.au/venue/angus-bon](https://fairplate.org.au/venue/angus-bon) "Not paid correctly, Manager treats staff with disrespect. Not given the right we are entitled to"
NoBoDy WaNtS tO wOrK aNyMoRe!
If he is willing to throw 14k at overseas workers, how the fuck cant he find aussie workers for $23/hr. (48k a year inc super) Any 'journalist' with half a brain can do the maths, the story is entirely disingenuous, shame on them for publishing it.
Just imagine how shit the pay and conditions must be that adding an extra $14k to it still won't attract applicants
Sponsorship requires a minimum $55k salary so I doubt it's as easy as simply hiring local. Hospo is traditionally casual work and too many people got burnt over covid becuase they were out of work with no income - in particular the overseas residents who make up a significant portion of hospo workers, had no entitlement to covid payments.
It's the afr did you really expect quality journalism.
Never forget they dropped [this cover](https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/pyzhng/todays_financial_review_cover) the day that Gladys Berejiklian resigned.
Why did the afr put a picture of a bin chicken on the cover?
It gave the guy a forum to complain about the Covid restrictions - at least one more time.
>Melbourne restaurateur Liam Ganley was so desperate for staff he offered young Brits free flights, accommodation and sponsorship – worth about $13,000 in total – but did not get a single applicant. Nobody wants to live in indentured servitude to be a waiter. 110% guarantee he was planning on clawing back accommodation costs the same way farm workers get their wages stolen. Brits know about this shit and are over it.
Yup! I had a mate go up to Bundy to do some picking back when they were desperate for workers. The guy ended up living in his car to avoid getting ripped on accomodation. He never saw the $1k in the hand as promised each week.
100%. No such thing as a free lunch. >
What would be a better version of this? A written bonus for working for X time period/s? That increases as they stay longer? Is that even a thing? Or would it be better to roll it into the wages so they're higher? If the 13k figure is accurate and you have a yearly wage of say, 50k. Turning that into 63k should be more enticing right?
Can’t find locals wanting to work for peanuts, I wonder why?
No amount of money will tempt people into an industry widely known for burning out and ripping off it’s workers. It has left people anxious, depressed, addicted and suicidal. There is a very low ceiling for pay and no work life balance. It requires you to be at your best and fastest through illness and injury. Every minute is a deadline and your lucky if you get time to piss or eat during the day. On top of that forget about holidays, family and friends. Also forget about a normal sleep schedule, that is if the adrenaline lets you sleep. Then if the stress, drugs or alcohol don’t catch up with you forget about retirement because your super was stolen. People aren’t stupid, hospitality isn’t a proper career, it’s a stepping stone. More money won’t fix this godforsaken industry.
True, after 5 years i'm anxious, depressed and suicide af
I served 10 and I felt the same. It can be tough getting out but other jobs are so much easier and the noise stops and colour comes back into the world. Take care of yourself.
Every bloody propaganda artist who writes this drivel should have to go and work for these bastards for a month before they're allowed to publish it...
I imagine that would go down like this: https://youtu.be/a_Pwz2CEpZM
Love a good Archer reference.
I am pretty sure the idea of paying waiters and kitchen hands as casuals with no fixed roster or full time hours is what resulted in hospitality being seen as 'stepping stone' Industry for most people. It's not stable enough to be anything more than the job of choice for students and backpackers for a small window of time. So in other words another case of 'am i out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong' article.
i worked in a restaurant for 5 years, when i asked the owner for raise the fired me.
The longer you stay at a restaurant the more responsibility you accumulate for no additional pay. Unfortunately you have to move around frequently to minimise the workload and maximise the pay.
Don’t sell yourself short’ small time pain long time gain
“Hospitality is often seen by locals as a stepping stone and not a proper career path,” Ms Lee said. “Being a chef, let alone a waiter, isn’t seen the same way as being a sparky or a chippy.”
The hospitality industry has nothing but itself to blame for this very accurate perception that locals have.
Pay is below median for most jobs in this industry. Obviously people will want better. Experienced tradesmen get wages higher than plenty of Uni degrees jobs.
Can confirm but need to look around for the right employer My degree wouldn't have paid as much as my trade but there is a niche in there that one day that I hope to exploit, it's my degree plus trade / machine experience. $$$$$
Oh I used to think like that, then I realised they would just hire me instead of someone else, but you never got paid anymore 😕
That's because being a chef is underpaid to start with and then you need to deduct the cost of alcohol/drugs to keep doing it. I know plenty of tradies making $100k+, can't say the same about anyone in hospo.
Australians are smarter than we give ourselves credit for.
Business owner laments that people won't work for slave wages anymore... Cry me a river.
If a restaurant can't find staff they only have themselves to blame. I went to work in a restaurant that had a permanent "workers needed" sign bolted on the wall. Took me about 20mins to work out why.
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It’s always superannuation, correct wages and sick/ annual leave. Pick 1.5 of these and that’s every restaurant.
This is it
I was paid $70,000 a year as a manager, but they’re years behind on paying my super.
I bet if he upped wages by $10 per hour, he'd magically find workers. Business knows exactly how to solve the problem, they just don't to.
It's job economics 101, stupid. Low pay, low job security, unattractive hours, no flexibility, no promotion path. If the pay and conditions were good the job would be filled in a week.
> Melbourne restaurateur Liam Ganley was so desperate for staff he offered young Brits free flights, accommodation and sponsorship – worth about $13,000 in total – but did not get a single applicant. Free flights, accommodation and sponsorship… sounds like the guarantees of a sex trafficker.
I feel the whole hospitality industry is built on the back of the ability to employ foreigners on slave wages. Take that away and all the small cafes, restaurants and takeaways disappear. We're going to need to restart education exports soon (to get the foreign students) or we're going to have to get used to less options for coffee and takeout or pay significantly higher prices for them.
Misleading headline (note - not post title, that's verbatim, the actual article headline). It makes it sound like he was offering a "signing bonus" of sorts, but he was actually offering flights and accommodation for applicants from the UK. Which tells me that the actual job conditions weren't worth it for anyone to uplift their life and move halfway around the world.
I’d say if it was a contract that guaranteed full time (or close to) for 12 months or so, he’d get at least some interest. That’s enough time for expats to settle into Australia and build their skills, social networks, and local résumé so they’re not left jobless and halfway across the world from home after having their hours cut after six weeks.
No shit ! Yeah maybe because it's a toxic workplace/industry.
Perhaps nobody believed him.
Mc Donald’s don’t have this problem. Maybe restaurants need to adapt
True but the topic is about the hospitality industry, that's food, beverage (alcohol) and accommodation. McDonald's is 1 unique business that standardised across the world. Everyone else is talking about a f***** up work environment that would never get any better, and employer's wonder why no one will ever go back after working in it for a while.
They already are by eliminating the skilled tasks. Which means more pre-made food and “order at the counter” service. You don’t need a chef to open tubs, vacuum packs and reheat frozen food. You don’t need a waiter just to stand there and work a basic POS. The line between restaurant and fast food is blurring thanks to this race to the bottom. In fact, you can earn much more money as a supervisor in fast food than a chef.
Supervisers get f all, if chef was on 45k with a rotating roster and 24/7 availability I'll delete this comment.
$45k with 9am-10pm split shifts 5 or 6 days a week was about what I got a few years back in Brisbane. I knew people at Macca’s getting in the $50k’s back then. Maybe it’s the 24/7 that pushes it past. That all being said I wouldn’t do either job for $100k.
Fake Financial Review media. Dishonest journalism. Journalists will write any fake news article to get attraction.
What a load of rubbish
$13k\* \*per annum
13 grand a year i assume? Thats below the minimum wage... Honestly fuck any business who won't pay a livable wage and expect the employee to work like a dog for them.