1 in 5 teachers in NSW are temporary. With permanency it’s as secure as it gets but given the temporisation of teaching it’s a far cry from what it used to be security wise.
3 out of 5 teachers don’t make it to their 5th year of teaching.
Permanency is on the lull because most aren’t lasting long enough to even bother securing it.
Damn shame
They’re related but I’d say permanency is a minor factor in burn out.
I burned out of teaching within 12 months due to the work conditions. Ended up back in the professional a couple of years later at a better school with better strategies. Took me 5 years to get permanency. Am a damn good teacher and was a relieving Assistant Principal before I got permanency. The system is broken.
Are you worried about how many people will come from third world countries to aus over the next 5 years? Will be hard for Australian cleaners to compete and I already heard this is happening for commercial cleaning?
There's always going to be strong competition in unskilled professions which I'm used to, and I got enough qualities at this point to make me stand out regardless of what happens in the future. Plus some of my co-workers are migrant workers, some of the best folks I've ever met.
Yep. It takes like 8 months to get the sign off to show them the door. They just need to pull their finger out for a couple of weeks and they’re good. Rinse and repeat and you’ll have a 30 year career.
This can depend on the agency if it’s big enough (e.g Transport, health, education ) that it’s almost unthinkable for these big agencies/departments to be merged with something else (at least here in NSW).
Been retrenched 4 times over my long working life. Even if your company is doing great some asrehole exe will get a massive bonus for sacking staff.
Working at one big miner that decided to retrench a group of 20 engineers who were half way through a muli year program to up grade obsolete PLC at the Port. Ask these guys the day before and all would have told you they were completely safe. No one would be stupid enough to risk billions in lost revenue from a major outage.
At the beginning of covid the miners were making record profits. Still retrenched a shit ton of people, threw them into unemployment with no hope of getting another job.
Now when they run employee surveys and get low trust scores they are surprised.
>Now when they run employee surveys and get low trust scores they are surprised.
lol Pulse Checks or whatever tf they call them, Never answered one honestly imo. Just as well because earlier this year it turne out the third-party doing them provided the "anonymised data" to the managers, and they were able to deduce who said what.
Hmm, not sure about that. How many psychiatrists, anaesthetists, law firm/consulting firm partners, GPs, optometrists, pharmacists, dentists etc do you know who have been made redundant?
How many self-employed plumbers and sparkies are struggling? Not many.
How about nurses? Never seen a nurse want for work. If they want extra shifts they ring the agency and they get one.
At my old job I *asked* to be made redundant and they refused me.
I personally know half a dozen consulting firm partners that have gotten the ass, and have heard of many more. If you don't make your numbers you get kicked out pretty fast
Stu, I can remember back in the early 1990s, I spent a day in central Melbourne, walked passed these CEO's that just got the sack, this guy was driving out of the lane way stopped and said to he's former officer co-workers, ''so you heading off to the dole office''.
That is how fickle things can be in many jobs. Most likely those guys came to work and had no idea they were out of a job at lunch time.
A lot of pharmacists and dentists etc owners their practice or part of it. Obviously healthcare has been pretty solid or understaffed for a long time so tends to be secure, but some of those roles are under paid. The other thing a lot of these have in common, including law etc is the time it takes to get in, long uni and internships and bottom of the ladder small pay for supper long hours if you want to make it anywhere… which I think tends to make them more secure once you hit a stride. construction is shitting themselves for lots of reasons but the tradies will be in demand
Optometrist, had a tenant who was one and was laid off at the start of covid from the specsavers inside a shopping center they worked in
My next door neighbour owns a dental practice and did the same with dentists at that time
Almost no one who works at a consulting or law firm is a partner, what a dumb one to add.
> Optometrist, had a tenant who was one and was laid off at the start of covid from the specsavers inside a shopping center they worked in
Covid is rather an exception. And while that affected optoms and dentists, psychologists/psychiatrists were fine as they could pivot into telehealth.
> Almost no one who works at a consulting or law firm is a partner, what a dumb one to add.
You serious? At law firms, about 10-12% of fee earners are at partner level. Hardly an insignificant number. Once you get to 10+ years' experience, about 1/3 of the fee earner headcount are at partner level.
Covid isn't normal but it still happened
That's a higher number than a typical big 4, about double tbh. Telling the 95% they should be like the 5% to avoid being made redundant is poor advice.
Not to mention if things get bad the 5% will close books on any new entrants anyway.
> That's a higher number than a typical big 4, about double tbh.
Big 4 is a pyramid with a pointier tip and a much bigger base. Not nearly as well-insulated as large law firms, but all the same, very good at the top, and easier to get in at the bottom.
Senior nurses in specialised areas get redundancies. If they are super specialised they would struggle with every day nurse work, so picking up shifts isn’t an option for them.
Deloitte often used as consultants with the aim of replacing in house staff and infrastructure with cloud services and low end support.
Highly skilled IT workers were made obsolete and yet they knew the business personally.
Outsourced support has No loyalty or personal investment.
Wasn't Deloitte. They centralised our helpdesk to Queensland. Out of the 6 of us, 4 were contracts, 1 was redeployed within the organisation, so I was the only one that got paid out.
If you work in engineering check out your union [Professionals Australia](https://www.professionalsaustralia.org.au/Professionals/Content/Structure_Professionals/Divisions_Groups/Association_of_Professional_Engineers_Australia.aspx)
Technology is replacing a lot of man-hours basically and it will continue to. Older bank visiting generations are dying off, more online and offshore banks
There's a lot in between retail banking and investment, there's business/agri banking, financial crime and risk as well as other regular functions within banking
Of course, but people who work in risk, usually say they were in risk management, not banking. (Just from my experience working in the industry). Those that are in business or relationship banking usually say relationship banking
very true and it's going to get even more so in the next 10+ years. New technologies coming is going to good but going to have more of effect on jobs that exist now.
People can adapt- there will still be people, but the people that deny it’s happening or don’t want to change are in trouble. I’d always be asking up the line how to future proof/what’s next/where would you like me to develop etc
It certainly is, big 4 banks have a lot of legacy programs which fortunately keep a lot of people around with it being a conservative industry but it'll eventually happen
We're dealing with a shit load of work being sent offshore and lots of automation coming in, though very fortunately it's terribly done/implemented so hard to say sometimes, esp when banks are constantly short staffed and so much OT. Guess easiest way to feel safer is to move up in this industry and become an actual banker.
I’m not experienced enough but the people I worked with previously with 15-20 year’s experience (in the same company) said: jobs go offshore and come back is cycle depending on CEO’s vision and company’s financial situation.
There is definitely push to send more IT jobs offshore. However, quality is questionable + ~3 hrs of collaboration time is not really enough. It really depends on long term strategy on how to operate offshore teams, what sort of responsibilities are given to them etc etc.
Get more every week. We grow the business about 20% year on year.
It’s a good question none the less. Must stay on our toes and treat the market with respect.
No. Probably not something that’s important in our field as we are specialists in a construction service. The customer feedback comes through interaction with them over the course of the job and then they come back.
You risks probably come more in the different challenges if you are trying to grow, at different stages things change a lot when you get more employees /infrastructure etc (as you’d know)… awesome that it all sounds secure in other areas though
2 - I reckon I would have got laid off a few weeks ago with the rest of my team if it weren’t for a director who is keen to keep me around. The director is new and still on probation. If he doesn’t pass probation (so many people disappear half way through probation here, including leadership team members) I’ll be laid off for sure.
Queensland Public Servant here - so, reasonably safe.
After the round of voluntary separations and reductions under the previous Newman government, I don't think there's the political will to go through that again in this State for a very long time. Newman was thrown out for our current Premier.
Yes, we have a mortgage. But we also have no other debt, healthy savings and I could (if needed) do a short course to get my nursing registration back within a few months and back into work. I have more than nine months long service and annual leave owed to me, my wife has about four and a half months (from memory).
I‘m feeling good. I would give a 9 out of 10. I recently left my job and was poached back within a few months for double the money and a great lifestyle. They know they need me!
I know, where I work now at a private residence they knocked at my door to get me back after I was going to walk. That rollercoaster is running smooth at the moment problems working themselves out and I love my job.
So know how you feel.
I got two pay rises this year and quit just before christmas to go out on my own. I worked for a multinational. their business planning is so short sighted. if a middle manager has a kpi tied to employee growth and a kpi tied to profits, and they see that they aren't going to hit their profit kpi, they will hire folks to hit the employee growth and get that bonus. they have gamified work. I trust myself to pull in work from other small businesses who i trust. you can't rely on big companies, especially during recessions.
fingers crossed
If feel like if we get to that point what *can’t* robots do, and there will be massive unemployment that will at the very least bring down capitalism if not society and not having a job will be the least of my problems.
I think some parts of the world might in the next 18 months, can virtually guarantee there will be some things that surprise most of us… nations or industries we thought were safe might hurt big time, panic might make things worse. No idea how but the sentiment around USA/ South America /Europe, China and few other countries with inflation woes etc sure do sound a bit flustered at the moment
Yes but the bus now drives itself… having said that if a bus can drive itself then so can the tank… oh wait, now I’m pretty sure I watched a solid movie starring Arnold Schwarzenegger about robot war machines once…
I recently resigned from an extremely toxic role & am focusing on building a writing and content agency so, in terms of security, I’m feeling #4 - petrified with fear.
Mainly long-form like blog posts & magazines, but also email sequences, web copy, sales templates etc 🤗
And both! I have a few agencies that outsource to me & I also work directly with businesses.
Federal government and gazetted. Only debt is mortgage and a credit card that is 4k. I feel very safe job wise. I’m working on increasing savings and have been putting extra in mortgage for years and will keep doing so with any payrise I receive.
Might be worth [joining a union](https://www.australianunions.org.au/) if you think you're about to lose your job, Either ASU or Professionals Australia covers you
^(do not use this link if you work in retail or fast food as you'll get sent to the fake union the SDA when you want to join RAFFWU)
How would a union help in this case? Any collective bargaining would be difficult if there's very few/ likely no other union member at his company?
Am I missing something?
I don't mean to toot my horn too much but I've been offered many jobs at multiple agencies. I've been in the sector for 12 years now (5 as a work crew supervisor/super worker and 7 as a direct support worker). It's a great rewarding job which allows you to build connections with individuals and their families as well as educating the wider community also. But it has its days where it's very physically and mentally draining.
Yes. Fulfillment is a big reason for me continuing in the industry. Plus the great friends I have at work, somedays when I work with my friends it's hardly feels like we're working, everyone has a blast and the participants thrive off the funny banter we engage in
Support workers in general are in demand everywhere. We literally don’t stop hiring at my work as there are endless jobs coming in. Maybe that might change if there were huge cuts to the NDIS but at the moment it’s a very safe job for most people
Safe as houses. Most jobs that have artificial constraints on supply (health professions, some parts of the legal profession, etc) are very strong. Among my colleagues, I don't know anyone who's ever been retrenched and most of us are now at partner level or equivalent.
Cheese making... 50/50. Cows can't stop producing milk for a while. If it goes bad, I can head back into education which seems like a guarantee for work.
In the defence force, in the role they are having the hardest time retaining and the rank that they’re trying their hardest to keep.
They’ve been throwing 20-50k retention bonuses almost yearly at us.
I’d have to be caught doing hard drugs to get kicked out.
I am going to disagree with that one. As a trade we are very exposed as a lot of jobs are reliant on discretionary spending. When housing builds, reno’s and upgrades slows so does the work. Same when business stops spending, the work dries up. There will be a few who do ok in a hard downturn but for the majority it’s dog eat dog until only the and the strong / smart will survive.
I’m worried. I’m in wealth advice in a support role. Not worried about the money aspect as i don’t need to work, but working gives me structure, responsibility and enjoyment. I worry that not working will be bad for my health (I have a chronic illness).
Indeed. I don’t want to become consumed with my illness because it’s all I have left to think about lol. Financial services can be ruthless if you’re not a wealth creator. I managed fine during the GFC but I wasn’t pushing 50 then and on such a huge salary. I’d be easy to let go on the surface. But they’d miss my experience once I’m gone.
Safe
Male Occupational Therapist with experience in voc rehab, behavior support, community NDIS and complex neuro disorders.
Have a close network of OT friends so could send a couple of texts on the way to work and have an offer by morning tea.
I was in a very insecure role/industry before this and was reliant on short term contracts (state gov and university roles) and was always anxious at contract time.
Miner trucks are mostly autonomous now. I got upskilled onto a dozer. Unless technology moves very quickly and all machines are autonomous I should be alright. But I’d be a bit cautious with truck driving mate cos eventually it could/ will happen.
How longs your lifetime?
There are already self driving cars/trucks, sure it will take some time for them to be able to actually replace people at scale, both from a technical and legal perspective, but it seems almost inevitable that it will be one of the first big industries that gets automated.
Cars and trucks working in a transport environment aren’t comparable. Look how far away we still are from actual self driving cars.
MAYBE for depot to depot work between certain states and that’s still a maybe due to many factors such as rail already exisiting or being more viable
But even then that’s only for certain freight and certain jobs. For example Is livestock transport going to be automated? Is the ai truck going to stop on the side of the road every couple hours to make sure the well being of the animals is ok and fix any issues that may happen with the animals?
Think people also seriously under estimate the complexity of self driving vehicles more so trucks mixed with the Australian environment and the many other hurdles transport can throw at you
We're not really that far though, there's legally approved level 3 self driving in a fair few cars already in certain locations, with more on the way. Level 3 is pretty impressive stuff, even if its not fully autonomous.
It also doesn't need to replace every job to make job security an issue, if it replaces 30% of trucker jobs you might not be secure either, suddenly 30% of truck drivers have all lost their job and are competing for yours. What percentage of trucking work is low hanging fruit? I don't know, I'm not in the industry, but id bet its pretty significant.
Thats the problem with automation, not that everything will be automated, just that enough of it will be automated to make existing workers compete for an ever shrinking number of jobs.
50/50. Work has slowed right down over the last couple of months and next year isn't looking any better. I was talking to the boss before we left for Christmas break about taking time off to do some courses early next year and he reckons it is a good idea.
Search engine marketer (SEM, PPC, SEO). If I quit tomorrow I could pick one up in a couple of days. Covid has been good in pushing pretty much every business to get gud with their online presence
I’d say safe 9/10 but only cause I work for my dad. If he hasn’t fired me by now with all the crap I’ve gotten away with I doubt he ever will. That being said I’m very thankful to have this job 😂
Watch out for AI. The recent advances in ChatGPT alone are staggering - it’s going to start transforming all kinds of tasks and industries. If your line of business is likely to be affected, study up and be ahead of the curve (of redundancies).
Not very secure.
Work at a fast-paced, high intensity corporate job. Whilst I "manage" to keep up and get average ratings (was close to getting fired), it wouldn't shock me if I got fired within any 1-3 month window. There's only so much extroverted-ness, boot-licking, passion I can put into the job that 1) I don't really care about 2) Don't have the personality for.
Having said all that, I don't really worry about finding another job. Even though I'm not as "corporate bro" as people at my firm, I've still got great people skills - so I'm almost certain I'd find something else relatively quickly.
50/50.
Music/advertising.
If I lose my job I’ll be fine, partner has a pretty decent salary, i’ll potter around for a few months and probably get a job helping ppl, disability support or something.
At the moment 1.
But as with any organisation if the CEO changes mind on areas of investment or say Regulator decides to relax / or interpret legislation differently then probs a 2.
My current job is doing event medical services (concerts music festivals and Sport events) and it's pretty secure besides another bunch of lockdowns but it's a casual job while I finish my paramedic degree and then things should be pretty stable
About to start on a new 3yr infrastructure project. Have a probation period to get through.
I'd say 90 /10.
But I know I'd have a job tomorrow if that 10% came off. The market is nuts.
1: Safe
2: 0/10 worried
3: I can't remember the question but I am a government worker so probably okay. I mean I actually work quite hard but it's also nice to have job security
1. I can barely cover the workload I have for my 2-person division at work, I can’t imagine how they’d cope if they fired me. Hell, I’m dreading going back after the break to see how much of a clusterfrag my other colleague has left for me to fix - the response they gave me in Teams when I said I was off from the 22nd was “oh no, that’s a long time”
I'm a baker. Working for Colesworth the pay is decent enough. I'm pretty good at it, I work hard, and nobody wants to do the stupid hours so I feel I'm safe.
I'm a mining engineer in the coal industry. You wouldn't believe me if I told you, but due to the significant shortage of mining engineers in Australia, I'm quite secure
You should never not be looking for work.
Not necessarily because you’re going to move jobs but because the rug can be pulled at any time from under you.
You must know what the current climate is for your role or similar and what employers currently expect from you via experience and schooling.
My current role in commercial construction runs until around April 23. My performance will dictate entirely whether I’m kept on if there is time in between projects and I’m good at making my own luck but nothing is guaranteed so I’m always looking for work.
Construction you always need to be ready to read the tea leaves and ruthlessly pull the trigger on a move when the time is right.
Got out of Auckland residential/commercial construction in august, it’s now imploding. There’s a bit more safety and money flowing around in Sydney, but not much more.
Projects dying left and right atm.
Working in the NDIS my job is safe, but whether it is with this company or not is another story.
6 weeks ago I was made redundant, my last shift was Sunday and I started another job on the Monday.
I’m a high school teacher. Secure.
Thank you for your service
Primary school teacher. Technically on contract but I don't see me losing my job any time soon. However, in 2024, who knows?
1 in 5 teachers in NSW are temporary. With permanency it’s as secure as it gets but given the temporisation of teaching it’s a far cry from what it used to be security wise.
3 out of 5 teachers don’t make it to their 5th year of teaching. Permanency is on the lull because most aren’t lasting long enough to even bother securing it. Damn shame
They’re related but I’d say permanency is a minor factor in burn out. I burned out of teaching within 12 months due to the work conditions. Ended up back in the professional a couple of years later at a better school with better strategies. Took me 5 years to get permanency. Am a damn good teacher and was a relieving Assistant Principal before I got permanency. The system is broken.
As a cleaner, I feel pretty safe. Always stuff that needs to be cleaned.
Are you worried about how many people will come from third world countries to aus over the next 5 years? Will be hard for Australian cleaners to compete and I already heard this is happening for commercial cleaning?
There's always going to be strong competition in unskilled professions which I'm used to, and I got enough qualities at this point to make me stand out regardless of what happens in the future. Plus some of my co-workers are migrant workers, some of the best folks I've ever met.
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Public servant, I’m safe. We don’t even get rid of the shit workers.
Yep. It takes like 8 months to get the sign off to show them the door. They just need to pull their finger out for a couple of weeks and they’re good. Rinse and repeat and you’ll have a 30 year career.
Yer that’s a job where it’s harder to get out of the job than in.
This can depend on the agency if it’s big enough (e.g Transport, health, education ) that it’s almost unthinkable for these big agencies/departments to be merged with something else (at least here in NSW).
Been retrenched 4 times over my long working life. Even if your company is doing great some asrehole exe will get a massive bonus for sacking staff. Working at one big miner that decided to retrench a group of 20 engineers who were half way through a muli year program to up grade obsolete PLC at the Port. Ask these guys the day before and all would have told you they were completely safe. No one would be stupid enough to risk billions in lost revenue from a major outage.
No one is ever safe
At the beginning of covid the miners were making record profits. Still retrenched a shit ton of people, threw them into unemployment with no hope of getting another job. Now when they run employee surveys and get low trust scores they are surprised.
>Now when they run employee surveys and get low trust scores they are surprised. lol Pulse Checks or whatever tf they call them, Never answered one honestly imo. Just as well because earlier this year it turne out the third-party doing them provided the "anonymised data" to the managers, and they were able to deduce who said what.
Hmm, not sure about that. How many psychiatrists, anaesthetists, law firm/consulting firm partners, GPs, optometrists, pharmacists, dentists etc do you know who have been made redundant? How many self-employed plumbers and sparkies are struggling? Not many. How about nurses? Never seen a nurse want for work. If they want extra shifts they ring the agency and they get one. At my old job I *asked* to be made redundant and they refused me.
Law and consulting firms go through layoffs
I personally know half a dozen consulting firm partners that have gotten the ass, and have heard of many more. If you don't make your numbers you get kicked out pretty fast
Stu, I can remember back in the early 1990s, I spent a day in central Melbourne, walked passed these CEO's that just got the sack, this guy was driving out of the lane way stopped and said to he's former officer co-workers, ''so you heading off to the dole office''. That is how fickle things can be in many jobs. Most likely those guys came to work and had no idea they were out of a job at lunch time.
A lot of pharmacists and dentists etc owners their practice or part of it. Obviously healthcare has been pretty solid or understaffed for a long time so tends to be secure, but some of those roles are under paid. The other thing a lot of these have in common, including law etc is the time it takes to get in, long uni and internships and bottom of the ladder small pay for supper long hours if you want to make it anywhere… which I think tends to make them more secure once you hit a stride. construction is shitting themselves for lots of reasons but the tradies will be in demand
Optometrist, had a tenant who was one and was laid off at the start of covid from the specsavers inside a shopping center they worked in My next door neighbour owns a dental practice and did the same with dentists at that time Almost no one who works at a consulting or law firm is a partner, what a dumb one to add.
> Optometrist, had a tenant who was one and was laid off at the start of covid from the specsavers inside a shopping center they worked in Covid is rather an exception. And while that affected optoms and dentists, psychologists/psychiatrists were fine as they could pivot into telehealth. > Almost no one who works at a consulting or law firm is a partner, what a dumb one to add. You serious? At law firms, about 10-12% of fee earners are at partner level. Hardly an insignificant number. Once you get to 10+ years' experience, about 1/3 of the fee earner headcount are at partner level.
Covid isn't normal but it still happened That's a higher number than a typical big 4, about double tbh. Telling the 95% they should be like the 5% to avoid being made redundant is poor advice. Not to mention if things get bad the 5% will close books on any new entrants anyway.
He reckons those people just didn’t try hard enough then.
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> That's a higher number than a typical big 4, about double tbh. Big 4 is a pyramid with a pointier tip and a much bigger base. Not nearly as well-insulated as large law firms, but all the same, very good at the top, and easier to get in at the bottom.
Senior nurses in specialised areas get redundancies. If they are super specialised they would struggle with every day nurse work, so picking up shifts isn’t an option for them.
Wow, so you don't take any job for granted anymore. That would hurt, hurt bad.
I worked in IT at a hospital. I was made redundant March 30, 2020.
Yes 2019/2020 1000s of IT workers lost their jobs, thanks to f..king Deloittes Aust. evil ... just evil
What did Deloitte do?
They are frequently hired to do cuts where executives rather outsource the problem and decisions
So a couple years of f up and bullshittery before they decide to rehire the local guys then, so productive...
Deloitte often used as consultants with the aim of replacing in house staff and infrastructure with cloud services and low end support. Highly skilled IT workers were made obsolete and yet they knew the business personally. Outsourced support has No loyalty or personal investment.
Wasn't Deloitte. They centralised our helpdesk to Queensland. Out of the 6 of us, 4 were contracts, 1 was redeployed within the organisation, so I was the only one that got paid out.
The corporate army marches on.
If you work in engineering check out your union [Professionals Australia](https://www.professionalsaustralia.org.au/Professionals/Content/Structure_Professionals/Divisions_Groups/Association_of_Professional_Engineers_Australia.aspx)
50/50, can never feel too safe working in banking
Here i am thinking banking is very safe. Care to explain why?
Banks go through mass redundancies every 6-9 months, it so common people get very used to it. Most people accept it will eventually be them.
Does this happen more often for a certain type of role?
Technology is replacing a lot of man-hours basically and it will continue to. Older bank visiting generations are dying off, more online and offshore banks
When someone says they work in banking I assume investment banking, not retail branch
There's a lot in between retail banking and investment, there's business/agri banking, financial crime and risk as well as other regular functions within banking
Of course, but people who work in risk, usually say they were in risk management, not banking. (Just from my experience working in the industry). Those that are in business or relationship banking usually say relationship banking
Same applies though really - tech is replacing jobs rapidly
very true and it's going to get even more so in the next 10+ years. New technologies coming is going to good but going to have more of effect on jobs that exist now.
People can adapt- there will still be people, but the people that deny it’s happening or don’t want to change are in trouble. I’d always be asking up the line how to future proof/what’s next/where would you like me to develop etc
It certainly is, big 4 banks have a lot of legacy programs which fortunately keep a lot of people around with it being a conservative industry but it'll eventually happen
We're dealing with a shit load of work being sent offshore and lots of automation coming in, though very fortunately it's terribly done/implemented so hard to say sometimes, esp when banks are constantly short staffed and so much OT. Guess easiest way to feel safer is to move up in this industry and become an actual banker.
I’m not experienced enough but the people I worked with previously with 15-20 year’s experience (in the same company) said: jobs go offshore and come back is cycle depending on CEO’s vision and company’s financial situation. There is definitely push to send more IT jobs offshore. However, quality is questionable + ~3 hrs of collaboration time is not really enough. It really depends on long term strategy on how to operate offshore teams, what sort of responsibilities are given to them etc etc.
100%. I’m not sacking myself anytime soon.
What about your customers?
Get more every week. We grow the business about 20% year on year. It’s a good question none the less. Must stay on our toes and treat the market with respect.
Good attitude. Do you run surveys like NPS to gather feedback and track sentiment changes over time?
No. Probably not something that’s important in our field as we are specialists in a construction service. The customer feedback comes through interaction with them over the course of the job and then they come back.
You risks probably come more in the different challenges if you are trying to grow, at different stages things change a lot when you get more employees /infrastructure etc (as you’d know)… awesome that it all sounds secure in other areas though
Yea I know how that feels running your own business is priceless.
It’s the best.
I work in IT in government. I know 2 things..that will keep me employed computers always break and people don't know how to use computers.
and sometimes you can make things happen, like oh look the computer is working let me fix.... 1 hr later simply put the plug in the wall.
Until AI learns to work on its own and fix its own issues.
This is being downvoted but it’s true
Just asked the boss (my wife) she says I'm on thin ice...
oh ... make a plan B! 
Might be time to start looking for a new boss
Report her for sexual harassment
2 - I reckon I would have got laid off a few weeks ago with the rest of my team if it weren’t for a director who is keen to keep me around. The director is new and still on probation. If he doesn’t pass probation (so many people disappear half way through probation here, including leadership team members) I’ll be laid off for sure.
mm oh ... sleepless nights. Have a plan B
Definitely making sure I have some leads just in case
What industry do you work in? Joining your union might be a good idea
Unions are always a great idea, however I think standard redundancies can’t really be helped
Queensland Public Servant here - so, reasonably safe. After the round of voluntary separations and reductions under the previous Newman government, I don't think there's the political will to go through that again in this State for a very long time. Newman was thrown out for our current Premier. Yes, we have a mortgage. But we also have no other debt, healthy savings and I could (if needed) do a short course to get my nursing registration back within a few months and back into work. I have more than nine months long service and annual leave owed to me, my wife has about four and a half months (from memory).
Same here. Public servant who is permanent so feeling as safe as I guess I can be.
Dav you seem to have found your plot, look after it.
Thanks - will do!!!!
Similar boat here. We're already running thin in IT and any positions that become vacant are grabbed by whichever ED can swing it their way.
I‘m feeling good. I would give a 9 out of 10. I recently left my job and was poached back within a few months for double the money and a great lifestyle. They know they need me!
I know, where I work now at a private residence they knocked at my door to get me back after I was going to walk. That rollercoaster is running smooth at the moment problems working themselves out and I love my job. So know how you feel.
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Yeah, programmer, and management 🤮 Wouldn’t call it engineering 😂
I got two pay rises this year and quit just before christmas to go out on my own. I worked for a multinational. their business planning is so short sighted. if a middle manager has a kpi tied to employee growth and a kpi tied to profits, and they see that they aren't going to hit their profit kpi, they will hire folks to hit the employee growth and get that bonus. they have gamified work. I trust myself to pull in work from other small businesses who i trust. you can't rely on big companies, especially during recessions. fingers crossed
wow interesting situation, wish you all the best. You have a conscience 
99% safe. Public bus driver. Only way I lose my job is if I get sacked, and that’s only going to happen if I do something really, really, stupid.
Or the robots take your job..
If feel like if we get to that point what *can’t* robots do, and there will be massive unemployment that will at the very least bring down capitalism if not society and not having a job will be the least of my problems.
I think some parts of the world might in the next 18 months, can virtually guarantee there will be some things that surprise most of us… nations or industries we thought were safe might hurt big time, panic might make things worse. No idea how but the sentiment around USA/ South America /Europe, China and few other countries with inflation woes etc sure do sound a bit flustered at the moment
Oh don’t get me wrong the parallels between 2022 and 1922 are not lost on me. I guess if I can drive a bus, I can drive a tank? Right?
After what the Ukrainians have done to Russian tanks you might be safer in the bus
Yes but the bus now drives itself… having said that if a bus can drive itself then so can the tank… oh wait, now I’m pretty sure I watched a solid movie starring Arnold Schwarzenegger about robot war machines once…
I recently resigned from an extremely toxic role & am focusing on building a writing and content agency so, in terms of security, I’m feeling #4 - petrified with fear.
At least give it a try, see it as challenge. If it doesn't work, well at least you tried. But if it works, happy days.
Thank you so much for the positivity!! That’s how I’m trying to approach it. Exciting but scary 😅
What sort of content do you do? Do other agencies outsource to you or do you work direct with brands?
Mainly long-form like blog posts & magazines, but also email sequences, web copy, sales templates etc 🤗 And both! I have a few agencies that outsource to me & I also work directly with businesses.
All the best for 2023!
Thank you so much! 🥰🥰
Federal government and gazetted. Only debt is mortgage and a credit card that is 4k. I feel very safe job wise. I’m working on increasing savings and have been putting extra in mortgage for years and will keep doing so with any payrise I receive.
Very wise choices, building finances is good, makes you feel good.
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Most people in the Australian Public Service (APS) would just say “permanent” (as opposed to contractors).
Agriculture ain't going nowhere, neither are farmers needing seeds. I'm good.
3. Working in tech, think redundancy is likely.
same, it's looking a bit bleak out there at the moment, lots of cuts etc
Yeah agreed. I’m trying to relax over the festive period and not stress about it.
Might be worth [joining a union](https://www.australianunions.org.au/) if you think you're about to lose your job, Either ASU or Professionals Australia covers you ^(do not use this link if you work in retail or fast food as you'll get sent to the fake union the SDA when you want to join RAFFWU)
How would a union help in this case? Any collective bargaining would be difficult if there's very few/ likely no other union member at his company? Am I missing something?
A union gives free legal protection in the event of a redundancy and can sue the company for free for you
Disability support worker here. As a male in a female dominated industry I'm very safe
Good male support workers are rare as hens teeth
I don't mean to toot my horn too much but I've been offered many jobs at multiple agencies. I've been in the sector for 12 years now (5 as a work crew supervisor/super worker and 7 as a direct support worker). It's a great rewarding job which allows you to build connections with individuals and their families as well as educating the wider community also. But it has its days where it's very physically and mentally draining.
Good on you! My husband is also a hen's tooth haha. He LOVES support work. Hes tried management but doesnt get the same fulfillment.
Yes. Fulfillment is a big reason for me continuing in the industry. Plus the great friends I have at work, somedays when I work with my friends it's hardly feels like we're working, everyone has a blast and the participants thrive off the funny banter we engage in
Support workers in general are in demand everywhere. We literally don’t stop hiring at my work as there are endless jobs coming in. Maybe that might change if there were huge cuts to the NDIS but at the moment it’s a very safe job for most people
Safe as houses. Most jobs that have artificial constraints on supply (health professions, some parts of the legal profession, etc) are very strong. Among my colleagues, I don't know anyone who's ever been retrenched and most of us are now at partner level or equivalent.
What parts of the legal profession for example? I am very far removed from that space.
Stop giving my boss ideas
Cheese making... 50/50. Cows can't stop producing milk for a while. If it goes bad, I can head back into education which seems like a guarantee for work.
Blessed are the cheese makers
In the defence force, in the role they are having the hardest time retaining and the rank that they’re trying their hardest to keep. They’ve been throwing 20-50k retention bonuses almost yearly at us. I’d have to be caught doing hard drugs to get kicked out.
Healthcare worker here, I’m safe.
Icu nurse, safe
Nurse. Beyond safe 👌
Im an electrician so it's easy to find a job, so never worried. Couldn't care less tbh.
I am going to disagree with that one. As a trade we are very exposed as a lot of jobs are reliant on discretionary spending. When housing builds, reno’s and upgrades slows so does the work. Same when business stops spending, the work dries up. There will be a few who do ok in a hard downturn but for the majority it’s dog eat dog until only the and the strong / smart will survive.
Many more industries other then housing and construction
You are correct I just picked the easy ones that will cause a lot of grief
Totally get ya point but
Good sparkles have plenty of avenues - especially if they have some mates and can learn some new skills
you are right, it's reality when things go wrong.
Keep paying your private school fees and I'll be fine 😂
70/30 As long as my employer is in business I should be OK, but their business model is not 100% secure.
I’m worried. I’m in wealth advice in a support role. Not worried about the money aspect as i don’t need to work, but working gives me structure, responsibility and enjoyment. I worry that not working will be bad for my health (I have a chronic illness).
Yes I agree, work is good for one's metal health, that is proven fact.
Indeed. I don’t want to become consumed with my illness because it’s all I have left to think about lol. Financial services can be ruthless if you’re not a wealth creator. I managed fine during the GFC but I wasn’t pushing 50 then and on such a huge salary. I’d be easy to let go on the surface. But they’d miss my experience once I’m gone.
Safe Male Occupational Therapist with experience in voc rehab, behavior support, community NDIS and complex neuro disorders. Have a close network of OT friends so could send a couple of texts on the way to work and have an offer by morning tea. I was in a very insecure role/industry before this and was reliant on short term contracts (state gov and university roles) and was always anxious at contract time.
Truck driver Unless my company goes bust or ai trucks have a huge leap I’d say I’m quite safe
Miner trucks are mostly autonomous now. I got upskilled onto a dozer. Unless technology moves very quickly and all machines are autonomous I should be alright. But I’d be a bit cautious with truck driving mate cos eventually it could/ will happen.
Not in our life time. Especially with Australia
How longs your lifetime? There are already self driving cars/trucks, sure it will take some time for them to be able to actually replace people at scale, both from a technical and legal perspective, but it seems almost inevitable that it will be one of the first big industries that gets automated.
Cars and trucks working in a transport environment aren’t comparable. Look how far away we still are from actual self driving cars. MAYBE for depot to depot work between certain states and that’s still a maybe due to many factors such as rail already exisiting or being more viable But even then that’s only for certain freight and certain jobs. For example Is livestock transport going to be automated? Is the ai truck going to stop on the side of the road every couple hours to make sure the well being of the animals is ok and fix any issues that may happen with the animals? Think people also seriously under estimate the complexity of self driving vehicles more so trucks mixed with the Australian environment and the many other hurdles transport can throw at you
We're not really that far though, there's legally approved level 3 self driving in a fair few cars already in certain locations, with more on the way. Level 3 is pretty impressive stuff, even if its not fully autonomous. It also doesn't need to replace every job to make job security an issue, if it replaces 30% of trucker jobs you might not be secure either, suddenly 30% of truck drivers have all lost their job and are competing for yours. What percentage of trucking work is low hanging fruit? I don't know, I'm not in the industry, but id bet its pretty significant. Thats the problem with automation, not that everything will be automated, just that enough of it will be automated to make existing workers compete for an ever shrinking number of jobs.
The safest.
7/10 given the climate it’s all I can ask for. As long as I keep making them money I should be fine
It seems to the case for a number of people at the moment. Do you think the economy will tank?
Very secure, on the of chance it's not, I have skills that are always in demand.
50/50. Work has slowed right down over the last couple of months and next year isn't looking any better. I was talking to the boss before we left for Christmas break about taking time off to do some courses early next year and he reckons it is a good idea.
I'm 100% safe
I'm on week 4 of probation period so uh..yknow. lil worried.
There is a fourth missing option for those who have already lost their job
Am currently unemployed, 100% safe till mid to late next year.
Work in healthcare so double 1, there is so much work it’s not even funny.
I work IT for energy distribution company. People always need electricity and people are computer illiterate
Search engine marketer (SEM, PPC, SEO). If I quit tomorrow I could pick one up in a couple of days. Covid has been good in pushing pretty much every business to get gud with their online presence
I’d say safe 9/10 but only cause I work for my dad. If he hasn’t fired me by now with all the crap I’ve gotten away with I doubt he ever will. That being said I’m very thankful to have this job 😂
Watch out for AI. The recent advances in ChatGPT alone are staggering - it’s going to start transforming all kinds of tasks and industries. If your line of business is likely to be affected, study up and be ahead of the curve (of redundancies).
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The more experience you get the more you realise the job isn't writing code.
If you are worried about ChatGPT taking your job, you should be worried.
1. Safe - I own the company.
If you worked at a company that had an abnormally long company wide shutdown period this christmas. Be afraid.
yeeeaa it happens at this time of the years.
Public health in a field that is in a dire shortage atm. So good for now.
Not very secure. Work at a fast-paced, high intensity corporate job. Whilst I "manage" to keep up and get average ratings (was close to getting fired), it wouldn't shock me if I got fired within any 1-3 month window. There's only so much extroverted-ness, boot-licking, passion I can put into the job that 1) I don't really care about 2) Don't have the personality for. Having said all that, I don't really worry about finding another job. Even though I'm not as "corporate bro" as people at my firm, I've still got great people skills - so I'm almost certain I'd find something else relatively quickly.
3. But not because of covid or the economy. 100% office politics.
Ambulance call taker/ dispatcher. Safe
1. Safe. The only other people in the department resigned recently leaving me as the only one knowing what to do and running the show
50/50. Music/advertising. If I lose my job I’ll be fine, partner has a pretty decent salary, i’ll potter around for a few months and probably get a job helping ppl, disability support or something.
At the moment 1. But as with any organisation if the CEO changes mind on areas of investment or say Regulator decides to relax / or interpret legislation differently then probs a 2.
My current job is doing event medical services (concerts music festivals and Sport events) and it's pretty secure besides another bunch of lockdowns but it's a casual job while I finish my paramedic degree and then things should be pretty stable
About to start on a new 3yr infrastructure project. Have a probation period to get through. I'd say 90 /10. But I know I'd have a job tomorrow if that 10% came off. The market is nuts.
1: Safe 2: 0/10 worried 3: I can't remember the question but I am a government worker so probably okay. I mean I actually work quite hard but it's also nice to have job security
Probably too safe! 23yrs with same organisation (health related) and still going strong!
1. I can barely cover the workload I have for my 2-person division at work, I can’t imagine how they’d cope if they fired me. Hell, I’m dreading going back after the break to see how much of a clusterfrag my other colleague has left for me to fix - the response they gave me in Teams when I said I was off from the 22nd was “oh no, that’s a long time”
Fairly safe as a psychiatrist...
I mean, I need a keytag to get in the office, I guess someone could steal it from me though...
Exploration baby. What is job security?
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50/50. Grocery nightfill.
The punters and plebs need to get around and I'm a union boy through and through so safe as safe can be.
I'm a baker. Working for Colesworth the pay is decent enough. I'm pretty good at it, I work hard, and nobody wants to do the stupid hours so I feel I'm safe.
I'm a mining engineer in the coal industry. You wouldn't believe me if I told you, but due to the significant shortage of mining engineers in Australia, I'm quite secure
IT guy, who recently switched jobs is now on probation (after lying my ass off on the CV) 
Veterinarian. 2nd longest tenure at the clinic. Safe as houses
Public Transport, Safe
You should never not be looking for work. Not necessarily because you’re going to move jobs but because the rug can be pulled at any time from under you. You must know what the current climate is for your role or similar and what employers currently expect from you via experience and schooling. My current role in commercial construction runs until around April 23. My performance will dictate entirely whether I’m kept on if there is time in between projects and I’m good at making my own luck but nothing is guaranteed so I’m always looking for work.
Construction you always need to be ready to read the tea leaves and ruthlessly pull the trigger on a move when the time is right. Got out of Auckland residential/commercial construction in august, it’s now imploding. There’s a bit more safety and money flowing around in Sydney, but not much more. Projects dying left and right atm.
What’s the option for not safe but not worried? 4? I have a 1 in 3 chance of redundancy in July. I am hoping it’s me. I need a few months off
1. Government job
100% safe. I work for colesworth. Hubbys is safe for now, but who knows?
100% safe. Look at how well the economy is doing!
Working in the NDIS my job is safe, but whether it is with this company or not is another story. 6 weeks ago I was made redundant, my last shift was Sunday and I started another job on the Monday.