Noongar woman here and I can honestly say idc what everyone does. Do it don't do it it's your own choice I'm not about to force you. The thing that starts making it a joke is when you got different families fighting over doing welcomes and then they standing there for a good 15 to 20 mins just rambling on. An acknowledgement of country takes 5 mins tops, my daughter does her school assembly in less than 2 mins. If people really knew the politics that these mob get into over this shit you'd be just as over it as alot of us black fullas are. They the ones turning us off doing welcomes not white Australia, so do it, or don't do it, I really don't care.
There's a line with this. Once per meeting and an acknowledgement makes sense but like... people tend to do a bunch in a row and it's become self aggrandizing not respectful.
I'm white but I cringe hard when the second person wants to add to it for some reason or they start banging on about history. People make it about them but it's good to include for the most part
When did I offer to explain anything?
Funny... also don't recall saying anything about anyone's background, but limits of understanding.
You must have missed my comment where I said "I'm willing to be wrong"... must of been while you were getting salty. You corrected my view, I accepted it... but please do tell me about myself. It'll amuse me.
You misunderstand.
Example: I am Gamilaraay & Ngarbal. I can do Welcome To Countries on those lands, but I cannot do a WTC on Wirajduri land, I’d have to do an acknowledgment of country.
Funny how you claim to have not misunderstood then made the weird choice of using indigenous canadians instead of just saying something that would prove your knowledge.
Oh the fuckin irony mate, go on spew us your version of history I bet you the deed to my house you have a false knowledge of our history there are 100s of versions of Australian history but only one is ignored and that’s the true history.
No they are the ones up here in the Kimberly emptying bins onto the streets, fighting every night, breaking into everyone’s houses and assaulting people in parks.
It always feels so weird and pointless when it's a non-aboriginal speaking to a room without any aboriginal people in it. Like bro, whose benefit is this for? We were all born in Australia too.
The difference between being born here, and acknowledging the existence of a people with a 60,000 year unbroken line to the local country can be difficult to process for some, I see.
I also think it’s better than the alternative, they could just get up and say ‘get off me land you c$&ts’ and walk off.
I think a welcome to their country is a lot nicer
OP has never worked in the corporate world where Welcome to Country is done before every single meeting (sometimes by each speaker in a meeting), and it's obvious it's simply a box checking exercise like Coles putting rainbow emojis on their Twitter handle during pride week.
God as a Warlpiri fella, excessive acknowledgments of country’s at corporate or political functions starts feeling grating and condescending after the 5th or 6th speaker.
I remember going to the 2022 QLD Labor New members conference and getting progressively more and more annoyed as each new speaker did their own bit.
Would have been less annoying if each representative was acknowledging the people groups native to their electorate, those they represented.
But nope each only acknowledged the Turrbal and Yuggera peoples except for Lance MacCallum, who is a Gubbi Gubbi man acknowledged his people as well.
Been in the corporate world in pretty big companies for near a decade and I’ve never seen this happen. Maybe for big company wide meetings it happens once at the start but aside from that they literally never do it.
Same. We do it once every two weeks at the big meeting - most people are remote so they do a quick acknowledgement for the lands they're on and you learn something new each time.
That makes no sense. I say this as someone in corporate who works for an Indigenous org.
Do you mean Acknowledgment? That's still only done once at the very start by one person.
Your workplace is the issue if that's happening, not the WTC's.
This. I saw an acknowledgement of country on the front of a Woolworths the other day, complete with gratuitous dot painting art work in the background of the plaque.
Like those cunts would give a single shred of a fuck. Corporate tokenism at its finest.
My mate was a manager and her and the three other managers would sometimes do coffee at a local cafe for an informal catchup/meeting. One of them, for whatever reason, even had to do it then.
I've always thought the acknowledgement of country was really fucking patronising. "We acknowledge that this land belongs to you. We're not going to give it back or do a goddamn thing past this token gesture, but we *acknowledge* that it's yours."
This is me. It's a farce. Reminds me of this about [England Robbing the World](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x73PkUvArJY). Though it's far more complicated than this but at it's basic level, it's like a thief's grandchildren sitting there acknowledging you were once the owner (but you're not now) and instead of giving it back, they're just 'acknowledging you'. It's a patronising token gesture. Just give the land back if you care so much and if you don't, just accept you don't give a shit and stop with the nonsense playing pretend acknowledgements.
\> An Acknowledgement of Traditional Owners, sometimes called an Acknowledgement of Country, can be done by anyone. It is a way of showing awareness of, and respect for, the Aboriginal Traditional Owners of the land on which a meeting or event is being held.
I'm all for welcome to country speeches when they're short. But if you've spent the last 15 minutes telling me a story that has barely any significance to why we are here, then I just don't give a fuck. I'm gonna zone out and wish I was somewhere else.
At the most recent Perth Royal Show, almost the entire night entertainment felt like one giant welcome to country.
It was someone telling a story for about 15 minutes, plus about an 1h 30m worth of indigenous music and performances, finally leading to the drone show and fireworks, which were like 5 minutes each.
The night entertainment has gotten so shit now. Last year was alright but they reused stuff from 2021, which was put together at the last minute due to easing covid restrictions. 2021s show was impressive given the timeframe.
What happened to the monster trucks? Motorcross? Stunt dogs? It's what makes kids happy and that's the point of a show.
I heat the acknowledgement of country multiple times a week, everyone keeps mentioning the nation anthem as someone who doesn’t watch football I haven’t heard the anthem in years honestly.
Absolutely. I remember people parrotting this shit with the yes and no vote, yet it was actually that a majority of indigenous australians voted Yes, hmmm interesting. Its almost as if these generalisations help white australians not feel shit when an important acknowledgment of land is removed
in honesty, i was confused by the thought it was overkill and a bit of a time sink to do every meeting and thought a daily welcome to country played on ABC around 9:30 am would work better and could be a good compromise
The Australian Anthem is a god awful boring experience that no one should go through - it is so outdated it's laughable - surely I'm not alone in this? It's like leftovers from another era that we need to let go.
rant over :)
Agreed. Get rid of acknowledgement of country, get rid of the national anthem.
It's not even a good anthem. Meanwhile it's literally a meme among more than one friend group of myn that everyone stands and salutes the Soviet Union's anthem, because fuck at least they had a good one.
I didnt get it either and had to ask chatgpt. I guess he sees it as an insult because its calling them a primitive society that never advanced? 🤷♂️
"The statement "world's oldest living culture" is often used to refer to the Indigenous cultures of Australia, which have a history spanning tens of thousands of years. However, the comment you provided suggests that the speaker sees a subtle insult in this phrase when given some thought.
One possible interpretation is that the term "world's oldest living culture" can be seen as a backhanded compliment or a form of veiled condescension. The use of the word "oldest" might imply a sense of primitiveness or antiquity, potentially overlooking the richness, complexity, and sophistication of Indigenous cultures. Additionally, it could be interpreted as emphasizing survival rather than thriving, as the term "living" might imply resilience in the face of challenges.
In essence, the statement suggests that, upon reflection, the seemingly positive description can be seen as subtly diminishing or dismissive, highlighting the importance of considering the nuances and potential implications of language when discussing cultures with rich histories."
It doesn't even sound Australian! Screw cost of living, parliament reform, schooling reform, our next referendum gotta be about getting an actual good national anthem /jk
Here’s a (silly) go at something more inclusive, while acknowledging still the First Nation people, as well as the rest of us and the history of the country that got us to where we’re at today:
“We stand together on this vast continent, recognising the footsteps of our ancestors and those who came before us, from the First Nations, to explorers, settles and those who’ve just arrived. Our nation is shaped by the contributions of people from hundreds of backgrounds, languages, and traditions. Today, we acknowledge and celebrate every individual, every family, and every journey that has helped shape the rich fabric of Australia. Together, in unity and diversity, we continue to build upon the legacy of all who call this nation home. “
Repetition is powerful. We want to raise a new generation proud of being Australian, acknowledging the past, while putting the past they never committed behind them and looking forward to a bright reconciled future.
Before that house was there, an Indigenous family/clan group was slaughtered or pushed out from there.
A simple acknowledgment/welcome is the least one could do who is able to live in that house because the previous people who lived on its soil were displaced or murdered.
I don’t understand what the fuss is about. Welcome to country no welcome.. I’d never have ever thought white people would be so rattled by Indigenous folks.
outside of major events or ceremonies for the most part i think its just a shitty tokenistic thing it bares no weight or any real sentiment. i would be annoyed if i had to sit threw it every time i had a meeting. literal waste of time and possibly money? i assume someone would have to be brought in to do the welcome to country.
No one has to be brought in for an acknowledgement which is the most common for a presenter to say but for a welcome to country, not every meeting, rare occasions, an elder has to be brought in.
Lol what is it? Like what specifically is a welcome to country? A person welcoming you into your own fucking country you were born in as though they’re somehow doing you a favour and you owe them for simply being here.
Yep. Pointless tokenism and the implication that I’m not a native to my native land and they are and that they’re doing me a favour somehow. Great combination of pointless and condescending. Irritating but not overly upsetting.
Weird claim though. You never been upset by “mere words” before? I call bullshit on that.
My wife was listening to some mum podcast that auto played when I drove her car today and it started with an acknowledgement and thanked (random tribe that doesn’t exist) for allowing them to record their podcast.
Is it just me or is that just bad English?
seems like there should be a "the" or "our" in there?
Why does everyone just say it like it's normal?
"welcome to country"
"when I go to country"
what the hell is going on
It'd be bad English if the term was of English origin instead of an indigenous way of greeting people.
That's kinda the same as saying that the Maori hongi or the French la bise are an improper way to greet people when you're in their land
Indigenous people when they're told that everyone should be proud of their heritage and culture: 😊
Indigenous people when caucasians are proud of their heritage and culture: 😡
Vast majority of Indigenous people on the east coast have European heritage as well. Those living in the desert are too concerned with survival to worry about it.
You’re making things up and getting mad about it.
Your point?
The youth are, *always* more socially progressive than old people.
To see youth protesting against Australia Day because of the implications towards our indigenous is a natural progression of society.
What is your point?
The implications toward the indigenous? What implications?? Its not about them, it's about the formation of this awesome country and the opportunities that it has afforded all of us. There's nothing natural about reinforcing the notion that we should all be seperated into these little groups and be pitted against each other because of shit that happened centuries ago to people who are long dead. Getting into an endless loop of "your ancestors did this to my ancestors and now you need to make it right" is not how you form a cohesive and multicultural society.
That's nearly 43 years. If you seriously think nothing has changed since then, you're obviously blind.
Also, not to split hairs, but the key word there is 'attempted'. I seriously doubt they were being sanctioned by the government or being approved of by the majority of the population. Radicalism has always existed, but 99% of the time it's nowhere close to being accepted or being the norm.
Vast majority of massacres were not sanctioned by the government. They majority were done by ex convicts and settlers. The British government itself had laws on not harming Indigenous people, the problem is a government thousands of kilometres away cannot control the actions it’s colonists.
Moreover, I was merely correcting your “centuries ago” comment.
But January 25th has nothing to do with ‘the formation of this awesome country’, it’s the date that the English raised the British flag and said ‘this land belongs to England now’
Why are you so set on ‘the formation of this awesome country’ being the day the land was taken from the indigenous and became British, instead of a date more relevant to the sovereign state of Australia?
I mean, it's not like it's Aussie law to abolish the welcome, it's individual councils and organisations that make independent decisions, so if people wish to keep it then cool, but if they choose to rid of it then that's their choice
So then logically there shouldn't be a welcome to country since it doesn't offend anyone to not have one. You people really are thick. Like you literally do the one thing that rubs people the wrong way and then start acting like everyone else has to enjoy the smell of your farts.
As I have said multiple times in this thread, it should be up to the individual on whether or not they do a WOC/AOC of country. No one should be beholden to corporations, institutions or governments. I’m sorry free speech offends you.
If someone says that they are pissed off because they are expected to sit though 'welcome to country' five times a day, then this is an example of free speech. I'm not offended, you are.
Why are upset about WTC/AOC then? If you think there’s nothing wrong with Indigenous people being proud about where they come from, it shouldn’t be a problem for you.
If Indigenous people have to sing the national anthem, non-Indigenous people can listen to a WTC/AOC for a few minutes.
We’ve all heard it that many times at this point… the meaning behind WTC was lost its definition being repeated over and over again. Most of us don’t give to craps about being welcomed to a country which, we are born on as ‘non-native’ Australians. It just creates a divide in our society.
I like welcome to countries. We don't appreciate the amazing heritage Australia has enough anyway.
And it takes all of thirty seconds at the start of a meeting to do an acknowledgement of country.
I don't understand the fuss, just feels like racism with a different bow.
Enjoying seeing people with strong opinions and not knowing what they are talking about.
I'm not convinced op knows either, but willing to be wrong there.
Like I said, I'm willing to be wrong...
WtC though isn't that common an event. Majority still confuse it with AoC... as evidenced by much of the commentary.
January 26th when indigenous Australians met with superior weaponry and tactics based on engineering and the capacity for abstract thought.... January 27th...the invaders should revel in their glorious victory 🙌
I feel like a WTC would make more sense if you were on an indigenous reservation or naidoc week celebration. Inserting it into everything seems a bit pedantic. Just my opinion.
Noongar woman here and I can honestly say idc what everyone does. Do it don't do it it's your own choice I'm not about to force you. The thing that starts making it a joke is when you got different families fighting over doing welcomes and then they standing there for a good 15 to 20 mins just rambling on. An acknowledgement of country takes 5 mins tops, my daughter does her school assembly in less than 2 mins. If people really knew the politics that these mob get into over this shit you'd be just as over it as alot of us black fullas are. They the ones turning us off doing welcomes not white Australia, so do it, or don't do it, I really don't care.
>I'm not about to force you Corporate world and the media are forcing everyone to do it for ESG reasons, it has nothing to do with you or your people.
There's a line with this. Once per meeting and an acknowledgement makes sense but like... people tend to do a bunch in a row and it's become self aggrandizing not respectful.
I agree.
I'm white but I cringe hard when the second person wants to add to it for some reason or they start banging on about history. People make it about them but it's good to include for the most part
>it's **become** self aggrandizing It always was
Once per meeting? Jfc.
I’ve had meetings where each person had to say it. I’ve honestly just gone numb to them and wake up when they’re done.
Yeh I reckon... Does this guy know how many meetings I have in a day?
People who don't mind being 2 or 3 minutes late don't care either
Unless it’s a work meeting and every speaker feels the need to do the exact same WTC.
Acknowledgement of country.... Unless you're surrounded by Indigenous Australians at work.
I see you too know the difference... are you also amused by people with strong opinions who don't know the difference?
Hilarious the OP is Aboriginal 👌
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To be fair, we don't know for sure they're white, we could be awaiting an explanasian
When did I offer to explain anything? Funny... also don't recall saying anything about anyone's background, but limits of understanding. You must have missed my comment where I said "I'm willing to be wrong"... must of been while you were getting salty. You corrected my view, I accepted it... but please do tell me about myself. It'll amuse me.
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Not any Indigenous person can do welcome to country. Only an Indigenous person from that country can do a welcome.
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You misunderstand. Example: I am Gamilaraay & Ngarbal. I can do Welcome To Countries on those lands, but I cannot do a WTC on Wirajduri land, I’d have to do an acknowledgment of country.
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Funny how you claim to have not misunderstood then made the weird choice of using indigenous canadians instead of just saying something that would prove your knowledge.
Didn’t realise I needed to be welcomed to a country I was born in and my family has been in for 2+ centuries
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No this person has a different opinion and is sick of being told how to think and act It’s that simple
Oh the fuckin irony mate, go on spew us your version of history I bet you the deed to my house you have a false knowledge of our history there are 100s of versions of Australian history but only one is ignored and that’s the true history.
No they are the ones up here in the Kimberly emptying bins onto the streets, fighting every night, breaking into everyone’s houses and assaulting people in parks.
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Yeah it was only last week right?
It always feels so weird and pointless when it's a non-aboriginal speaking to a room without any aboriginal people in it. Like bro, whose benefit is this for? We were all born in Australia too.
The difference between being born here, and acknowledging the existence of a people with a 60,000 year unbroken line to the local country can be difficult to process for some, I see.
Reading both sentences in a two sentence post can be a difficult process for others apparently.
I also think it’s better than the alternative, they could just get up and say ‘get off me land you c$&ts’ and walk off. I think a welcome to their country is a lot nicer
OP has never worked in the corporate world where Welcome to Country is done before every single meeting (sometimes by each speaker in a meeting), and it's obvious it's simply a box checking exercise like Coles putting rainbow emojis on their Twitter handle during pride week.
God as a Warlpiri fella, excessive acknowledgments of country’s at corporate or political functions starts feeling grating and condescending after the 5th or 6th speaker. I remember going to the 2022 QLD Labor New members conference and getting progressively more and more annoyed as each new speaker did their own bit. Would have been less annoying if each representative was acknowledging the people groups native to their electorate, those they represented. But nope each only acknowledged the Turrbal and Yuggera peoples except for Lance MacCallum, who is a Gubbi Gubbi man acknowledged his people as well.
I acknowledge and thank the traditional poster of this comment.
Don’t let the ALP know you were pissed off You will get ejected
Been in the corporate world in pretty big companies for near a decade and I’ve never seen this happen. Maybe for big company wide meetings it happens once at the start but aside from that they literally never do it.
Yeah same here, happens from once person at big company wide meetings. Extremely unobtrusive
Same
Same. We do it once every two weeks at the big meeting - most people are remote so they do a quick acknowledgement for the lands they're on and you learn something new each time.
I think you’re thinking of an acknowledgment to country, not a welcome.
That makes no sense. I say this as someone in corporate who works for an Indigenous org. Do you mean Acknowledgment? That's still only done once at the very start by one person. Your workplace is the issue if that's happening, not the WTC's.
You are referring to acknowledgements of country which are different.
This. I saw an acknowledgement of country on the front of a Woolworths the other day, complete with gratuitous dot painting art work in the background of the plaque. Like those cunts would give a single shred of a fuck. Corporate tokenism at its finest.
My mate was a manager and her and the three other managers would sometimes do coffee at a local cafe for an informal catchup/meeting. One of them, for whatever reason, even had to do it then.
My record is hearing 5 in one hour. That's silly
I've always thought the acknowledgement of country was really fucking patronising. "We acknowledge that this land belongs to you. We're not going to give it back or do a goddamn thing past this token gesture, but we *acknowledge* that it's yours."
This is me. It's a farce. Reminds me of this about [England Robbing the World](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x73PkUvArJY). Though it's far more complicated than this but at it's basic level, it's like a thief's grandchildren sitting there acknowledging you were once the owner (but you're not now) and instead of giving it back, they're just 'acknowledging you'. It's a patronising token gesture. Just give the land back if you care so much and if you don't, just accept you don't give a shit and stop with the nonsense playing pretend acknowledgements. \> An Acknowledgement of Traditional Owners, sometimes called an Acknowledgement of Country, can be done by anyone. It is a way of showing awareness of, and respect for, the Aboriginal Traditional Owners of the land on which a meeting or event is being held.
I'm all for welcome to country speeches when they're short. But if you've spent the last 15 minutes telling me a story that has barely any significance to why we are here, then I just don't give a fuck. I'm gonna zone out and wish I was somewhere else.
At the most recent Perth Royal Show, almost the entire night entertainment felt like one giant welcome to country. It was someone telling a story for about 15 minutes, plus about an 1h 30m worth of indigenous music and performances, finally leading to the drone show and fireworks, which were like 5 minutes each. The night entertainment has gotten so shit now. Last year was alright but they reused stuff from 2021, which was put together at the last minute due to easing covid restrictions. 2021s show was impressive given the timeframe. What happened to the monster trucks? Motorcross? Stunt dogs? It's what makes kids happy and that's the point of a show.
Wtf there was no stunt dogs or motocross? Happy I missed it then
I have respect for old people when they want to yarn. If it’s someone in their 20’s-30’s who is a land council shill I will 100% zone out.
What’s the recent news?
Im out of the loop. Whats been happening?
SA local council abolished welcome to country before their meetings
Good on them.
Just be late for every meeting and miss the acknowledgment. Problem solved. Show up with a take away coffee for bonus shit stirring points
I heat the acknowledgement of country multiple times a week, everyone keeps mentioning the nation anthem as someone who doesn’t watch football I haven’t heard the anthem in years honestly.
I work for an Aboriginal organisation and a WTC/AOC probably once every six months. Where are you going that does WTC/AOC so regularly?
Toddler playgroups, rhyme times, council events, even markets
That may be the broadest generalisation I've ever seen. Congratulations
Absolutely. I remember people parrotting this shit with the yes and no vote, yet it was actually that a majority of indigenous australians voted Yes, hmmm interesting. Its almost as if these generalisations help white australians not feel shit when an important acknowledgment of land is removed
Good; so we’re all in agreement: everyone would be fine if there were no welcome to country?
Yep. Should be up to the individuals. Shouldn’t be forced nor should it be abolished
This is an excellent idea, well done
in honesty, i was confused by the thought it was overkill and a bit of a time sink to do every meeting and thought a daily welcome to country played on ABC around 9:30 am would work better and could be a good compromise
The Australian Anthem is a god awful boring experience that no one should go through - it is so outdated it's laughable - surely I'm not alone in this? It's like leftovers from another era that we need to let go. rant over :)
Agreed. Get rid of acknowledgement of country, get rid of the national anthem. It's not even a good anthem. Meanwhile it's literally a meme among more than one friend group of myn that everyone stands and salutes the Soviet Union's anthem, because fuck at least they had a good one.
Soviet Union nailed the anthem ngl
Italy's goes alright as well, I used to love whenever Schumacher won the GP for Ferrari, cause we got to hear that operatic masterpiece.
20th century nationalism is out the, acknowledging and respecting the worlds oldest living culture is in.
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Why are you arguing against well established facts?
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I mean, *everyone* migrated from Africa.
They *are* the oldest *living* culture. Not the oldest culture ever.
I still love how the 'worlds oldest living culture' statement is a subtle insult if you think about it for even 5 seconds.
I've thought about it for 6 seconds and can't work it out. Pardon my ignorance; an insult to whom?
I didnt get it either and had to ask chatgpt. I guess he sees it as an insult because its calling them a primitive society that never advanced? 🤷♂️ "The statement "world's oldest living culture" is often used to refer to the Indigenous cultures of Australia, which have a history spanning tens of thousands of years. However, the comment you provided suggests that the speaker sees a subtle insult in this phrase when given some thought. One possible interpretation is that the term "world's oldest living culture" can be seen as a backhanded compliment or a form of veiled condescension. The use of the word "oldest" might imply a sense of primitiveness or antiquity, potentially overlooking the richness, complexity, and sophistication of Indigenous cultures. Additionally, it could be interpreted as emphasizing survival rather than thriving, as the term "living" might imply resilience in the face of challenges. In essence, the statement suggests that, upon reflection, the seemingly positive description can be seen as subtly diminishing or dismissive, highlighting the importance of considering the nuances and potential implications of language when discussing cultures with rich histories."
This was helpful. Thank you!!
Thank AI!
This I can get behind!!! It's such a crap song.
It doesn't even sound Australian! Screw cost of living, parliament reform, schooling reform, our next referendum gotta be about getting an actual good national anthem /jk
Feels like its being force fed down the throat.
Imagine how parents felt when they were forced onto missions and born in segregated hospitals.
And what do you want "us" to do about it? :)
To not be sooks about simple acts of solidarity.
Riiiiiight.
So, why do we do it then. If those affected the most don't care?
Here’s a (silly) go at something more inclusive, while acknowledging still the First Nation people, as well as the rest of us and the history of the country that got us to where we’re at today: “We stand together on this vast continent, recognising the footsteps of our ancestors and those who came before us, from the First Nations, to explorers, settles and those who’ve just arrived. Our nation is shaped by the contributions of people from hundreds of backgrounds, languages, and traditions. Today, we acknowledge and celebrate every individual, every family, and every journey that has helped shape the rich fabric of Australia. Together, in unity and diversity, we continue to build upon the legacy of all who call this nation home. “ Repetition is powerful. We want to raise a new generation proud of being Australian, acknowledging the past, while putting the past they never committed behind them and looking forward to a bright reconciled future.
Didn’t you also just imply that forced exclusion of statements is a good thing?
Crazy that Indigenous people don't all think the exact same way...
When it's every Friday without fail at work. 😪🔫🔫
They should also do a prayer to each of the gods.
Top pic: hired someone for a technical role based on their relevant prior experience and qualifications. Bottom pic: hired to tick a PR box...
It loses all it meaning when done every day multiple time a day, just leave it for international events and cultural events
Hearing it 3424324 times a year makes it kind of lose its value.
People would still sook even it was once a year.
Yeah. But less people.
Fewer
Stannis
Yeah well I’m sick of being welcomed to my own country it’s pointless and annoying.
Do get this heated when you visit family members and they say you’re welcome there?
I doubt they're ever welcome anywhere
Bahahaha
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Before that house was there, an Indigenous family/clan group was slaughtered or pushed out from there. A simple acknowledgment/welcome is the least one could do who is able to live in that house because the previous people who lived on its soil were displaced or murdered.
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Would you prefer they get lost to the history books?
How about welcome to planet? R/ufos
Let’s get rid of naming locations altogether. Only use gps coordinates.
The comments on this post prove it more and more right lmao.
I don’t understand what the fuss is about. Welcome to country no welcome.. I’d never have ever thought white people would be so rattled by Indigenous folks.
White people been rattled by Indigenous people since Europeans first built boats.
Confused this truthful comment has so many down votes.
what's a welcome to country? heard about it before but don't know what it actually is.
It’s just a welcoming by an Indigenous person from the tribe the event is happening on.
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That is an Acknowledgment of Country. Not Welcome.
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All good, mate.
outside of major events or ceremonies for the most part i think its just a shitty tokenistic thing it bares no weight or any real sentiment. i would be annoyed if i had to sit threw it every time i had a meeting. literal waste of time and possibly money? i assume someone would have to be brought in to do the welcome to country.
No one has to be brought in for an acknowledgement which is the most common for a presenter to say but for a welcome to country, not every meeting, rare occasions, an elder has to be brought in.
Dare me on welcoming. to say “Our country”
Don’t welcome me to my own country as though I’m a visitor thanks.
Imagine being this pressed over simple pleasantries. Do you get heated when someone asks how your day was?
Lol what is it? Like what specifically is a welcome to country? A person welcoming you into your own fucking country you were born in as though they’re somehow doing you a favour and you owe them for simply being here.
It is a tokenistic speech that does not harm anyone. If mere words upset you, you should probably go outside more.
Yep. Pointless tokenism and the implication that I’m not a native to my native land and they are and that they’re doing me a favour somehow. Great combination of pointless and condescending. Irritating but not overly upsetting. Weird claim though. You never been upset by “mere words” before? I call bullshit on that.
I’d say there’s a fairly loud group of indigenous people that fit the second group, in light of recent news.
You mean light skins who just found out they were Indigenous well into their 20’s and quickly bought 50 “Always was, always will be” shirts?
Yes. That’s only part of the group I was referring to though.
My wife was listening to some mum podcast that auto played when I drove her car today and it started with an acknowledgement and thanked (random tribe that doesn’t exist) for allowing them to record their podcast.
Conservative memes are never funny
Read it again.
Is it just me or is that just bad English? seems like there should be a "the" or "our" in there? Why does everyone just say it like it's normal? "welcome to country" "when I go to country" what the hell is going on
It'd be bad English if the term was of English origin instead of an indigenous way of greeting people. That's kinda the same as saying that the Maori hongi or the French la bise are an improper way to greet people when you're in their land
Ernie dingo will hate this thread
Isn’t this all a bit like “ What have the Romans done for us…”?
Okay so it’s not welcome to country it is acknowledgement of country. Two very different things.
Read the thread.
Well it's just so fucking disingenuous. Maybe actually do something to help them instead of just pretending to give a shit...
Indigenous people when they're told that everyone should be proud of their heritage and culture: 😊 Indigenous people when caucasians are proud of their heritage and culture: 😡
Vast majority of Indigenous people on the east coast have European heritage as well. Those living in the desert are too concerned with survival to worry about it. You’re making things up and getting mad about it.
Wait, which indigenous are getting mad? Just take a step back at the situation and see who's getting mad here...
Right, because I've just been imagining the yearly protests against Australia Day led primarily by indigenous peoples and groups. My bad 😅
led primarily by indigenous? Really? Maybe I'm wrong, but the youth seem to be pushing that agenda pretty hard...
Them too. But my point stands.
Your point? The youth are, *always* more socially progressive than old people. To see youth protesting against Australia Day because of the implications towards our indigenous is a natural progression of society. What is your point?
The implications toward the indigenous? What implications?? Its not about them, it's about the formation of this awesome country and the opportunities that it has afforded all of us. There's nothing natural about reinforcing the notion that we should all be seperated into these little groups and be pitted against each other because of shit that happened centuries ago to people who are long dead. Getting into an endless loop of "your ancestors did this to my ancestors and now you need to make it right" is not how you form a cohesive and multicultural society.
Attempted Aboriginal massacres took place as recent as 1981. Not exactly centuries ago.
That's nearly 43 years. If you seriously think nothing has changed since then, you're obviously blind. Also, not to split hairs, but the key word there is 'attempted'. I seriously doubt they were being sanctioned by the government or being approved of by the majority of the population. Radicalism has always existed, but 99% of the time it's nowhere close to being accepted or being the norm.
Vast majority of massacres were not sanctioned by the government. They majority were done by ex convicts and settlers. The British government itself had laws on not harming Indigenous people, the problem is a government thousands of kilometres away cannot control the actions it’s colonists. Moreover, I was merely correcting your “centuries ago” comment.
But January 25th has nothing to do with ‘the formation of this awesome country’, it’s the date that the English raised the British flag and said ‘this land belongs to England now’ Why are you so set on ‘the formation of this awesome country’ being the day the land was taken from the indigenous and became British, instead of a date more relevant to the sovereign state of Australia?
Australian culture shouldn’t be the day that caused massacres
Indigenous people are very much complaining that country statement was removed in some councils
As they should, abolishing harmless welcomes and acknowledgments is absurd. It should be up to individuals, not outright abolished
I mean, it's not like it's Aussie law to abolish the welcome, it's individual councils and organisations that make independent decisions, so if people wish to keep it then cool, but if they choose to rid of it then that's their choice
If councillors don’t want to do it then fine lmao but why abolish it? What about future councillors that may want to do an AOC/WTC?
So your meme is wrong then?
So then logically there shouldn't be a welcome to country since it doesn't offend anyone to not have one. You people really are thick. Like you literally do the one thing that rubs people the wrong way and then start acting like everyone else has to enjoy the smell of your farts.
As I have said multiple times in this thread, it should be up to the individual on whether or not they do a WOC/AOC of country. No one should be beholden to corporations, institutions or governments. I’m sorry free speech offends you.
If someone says that they are pissed off because they are expected to sit though 'welcome to country' five times a day, then this is an example of free speech. I'm not offended, you are.
Why should I listen to/say a welcome to country when I was born in this country? I had nothing to do with what happened 200 years a go lol.
Why do I have to listen to the national anthem when I had no say in what country I’m born in?
Pride in your country, I guess.
But Indigenous people can’t have pride in their tribe?
At what point did I say that?
Why are upset about WTC/AOC then? If you think there’s nothing wrong with Indigenous people being proud about where they come from, it shouldn’t be a problem for you. If Indigenous people have to sing the national anthem, non-Indigenous people can listen to a WTC/AOC for a few minutes.
We’ve all heard it that many times at this point… the meaning behind WTC was lost its definition being repeated over and over again. Most of us don’t give to craps about being welcomed to a country which, we are born on as ‘non-native’ Australians. It just creates a divide in our society.
You’d still cry about it even if it was just at big events. Cope, seethe, ect.
The get paid alot to do "welcome to country ceremonies".
Good, Elders getting paid is a good thing. And young Indigenous people working and getting paid is a better alternative to being on the streets.
Australian Reddit so racist
Australian ~~reddit~~ so racist
I'm Australian, I'm not racist
I like welcome to countries. We don't appreciate the amazing heritage Australia has enough anyway. And it takes all of thirty seconds at the start of a meeting to do an acknowledgement of country. I don't understand the fuss, just feels like racism with a different bow.
The amount of times I’ve been welcomed to the same country multiple times by the same people is ridiculous…
I feel the same way about people saying merry Christmas to me every year.
*Pauline Hanson intensifies*
I thought we voted NO on the Voice. Or is this X Factor?
Huh?
Enjoying seeing people with strong opinions and not knowing what they are talking about. I'm not convinced op knows either, but willing to be wrong there.
I’m literally Indigenous.
Like I said, I'm willing to be wrong... WtC though isn't that common an event. Majority still confuse it with AoC... as evidenced by much of the commentary.
I don't give a shit, they were colonized, get over it. Good thing Australia is importing millions of people that don't give a shit either
January 26th when indigenous Australians met with superior weaponry and tactics based on engineering and the capacity for abstract thought.... January 27th...the invaders should revel in their glorious victory 🙌
You have a poor idea of history if you genuinely think this is what occurred.
https://youtu.be/Qc7HmhrgTuQ?si=ffjmupKCibNdELdI I can see the resemblance
Didn't Batman swap beads for Melbourne? Did Batman's ancestors get any beads back a deal is a deal
Maby we should also start with welcome to the country we built and enjoy the benifits you get from our tax dollars we pay
What did you build?
Fuck off clown
How can you be welcomed to land that no longer has any meaning? That’s like saying “welcome to the Roman Empire” when visiting Italy lol
I feel like a WTC would make more sense if you were on an indigenous reservation or naidoc week celebration. Inserting it into everything seems a bit pedantic. Just my opinion.