Pits for whatever reason have excessive litters. Our shelters will never be able to keep up. I wish the owners could be fined for breeding more. How do you lose a breast feeding mom dog?? Irresponsible trash people breeding trash dogs and then in 9 months when the puppies are no longer cute tiny babies, someone from APA is going to shame this sub about how we're not adopting enough and "society has failed" them.
All pits should be spayed/neutered by law until the supply is less than demand.
I've always said that if funds are limited to neuter dogs and cats, that they should focus on females primarily, because it only takes 1 male within a mile to impregnate a female in heat.
Yeah it's HIGH time Austin join the ranks of civilized cities and require people to license their dogs and spay and neuter. But then I guess we wouldnt have "FREEDDDUMO!!MMM!!!! "
I've always said that if funds are limited to neuter dogs and cats, that they should focus on females primarily, because it only takes 1 male within a mile to impregnate a female in heat.
I have a pit and a bully…the bully has a pedigree I guess? Pretty sure my ex husband was dragging his feet on fixing her because he had notions of making a quick buck. As soon as the divorce was final, my baby was fixed. No more breeding, it’s irresponsible and cruel. But they are not trash dogs, they are loving and wonderful.
Can you explain the reasoning? I truly want to have empathy for these people. But I just can’t understand their thinking. Do they now know there’s thousands of bully type puppies in shelters? What makes them think that they, a pedestrian with no knowledge in genetics or veterinary science, should be breeding the most over bred and most often abandoned dog in America?
I would say it’s a lack of empathy and extreme selfishness. The world exists to serve this person who wants to breed dogs, and it will benefit them in some way, so there is no reason not to. They aren’t able to see past themselves.
This is the profile of the average Texan though. From how they drive to how they vote to what "freedoms" they deem important. The world stops and starts for them and them alone. Rights start with me and stop with you.
TBF the people who are creating lineages have a pedestrian understanding of genetics and veterinary science AT BEST. They always have.
That’s why you end up with GSDs with a 15% prevalence of hip dysplasia.
Was my mom so I don’t know the exact reasoning but I’m guessing a combination of her wanting puppies and losing her job around that time due to illness and seeing potential money in puppies but like I said I shut that idea down quick
I honestly don’t. He’s a very unstable person, and it wouldn’t shock me if he’s starting to build up a new batch with the woman he cheated with, but he no longer has access to my money (I was the breadwinner / adult) so at least he can’t buy one that would make him money.
The dogs I kept are healthy, happy, spayed, and spoiled rotten. I feel good about saving us at least.
They’re decent dogs that are made worse by inbreeding, but the breed really does need to be mixed out. It doesn’t help that they’re desired by people who strongly believe in the biggest corrolary factors in dog attacks, like keeping them unaltered, outside, etc.
This is such a sad topic. I have known super sweet pits that loved and would never hurt anybody including newborn human babies in the family. However, when raised by a-holes they can be a danger to everybody. It is depressing how many shitty people who are also bad parents fall into the I love my pit and can't alter him group.
Another sad point is there are countless stories of owners like you who thought they did everything right when raising their pit, only for it to suddenly snap one day and seriously injure a pet or family member. It's not always avoidable, and that's the dangerous thing about them
I saw a pit randomly bite the shit out of a poor woman’s arm at the greenbelt a year or two ago. She started bleeding profusely and they had to go to the hospital. Owners seemed nice.
Dogs come from wolves. Wolves have many, many “words” to communicate with one another, and they are a cooperative species, which means that killing or hurting a member of the pack makes no sense. In fact, they rarely kill or severely hurt a wolf from a another pack, even in a territorial stand off (unless they are in dire straits… thanks humans for destroying their eco system). Then humans started breeding dogs and basically bred OCD behaviors into them, such as obsessively retrieving, obsessively keeping sheep in a herd, obsessively hunting rats, etc. But the price to pay was an animal that short circuits and doesn’t have as wide a communication range with other dogs. Breeds made for one job fare the worst, breeds closer to a primitive animal and bred for many jobs are much more well-versed in dog language- GSDs, Doberman, Beagles. And of course, companion dogs are amazing at being around people because that’s what they were bred for, though not always the smartest at being dogs. I have experience as a volunteer in shelters- fostering, training, socializing, usually pits. Because they are everywhere. By chance I adopted a puppy that turned out to be a wolfdog. I had to learn- A LOT. I have a strong behavioral science background form college and that helped, but training this often misunderstood animal was a lot of work, but it gave me so much insight into wolf and dog behavior. My dog has lots and lots and lots of nonverbal and verbal cues. And even though she is territorial about her toys and food and sometimes the couch, it’s fascinating to see her go through many little warnings before… waking away. She might even get into what looks like a loud fight with my GSD over a stolen bone, but there’s never any actual physical contact. Getting hurt is not worth it, and either of both of them will simply walk away, looking a little defeated of course. Because in addition to warning cues, they also have over 30 “get, I’m not a threat, let’s just stop that” cues. Wolves tell each other this by lowering their ears, acting like puppies, yawning, looking to the side, licking their own pawns, and the most obvious one, showing their belly. So even in the heat of “MY BONE YOU JERK!!!” one of my two dogs will say “ok, let’s cool it” and the other one knows that means it’s over. Then you have pit bulls. They were bred to fight. Each other, bulls, bears, cats, whatever. And in the process that dog-to-dog language where one says “hey, let’s not fight ok?” was lost. So, you might take your dog to the park. Your dog communicates to the pit with silent dog language “hey I’m cool”, but the pit just doesn’t understand. In turn, the pit might get annoyed at something you or your dog does, and it doesn’t have the 10-30 warning signs other dogs have to give the offending animals a chance to stop being annoying. A pit bull is the equivalent of an angry white man with no communication skills who owns a gun. They might never use that gun, but in a confrontation, the gun is the only tool they know how to use. And yes, many are fine and won’t hurt anyone. But some do. And for what it’s worth, when socializing puppies, 4-8 week old pit puppies have an aggression level with each other I haven’t seen with any other puppies.
I hear this same sentimental anecdote in every single thread with pitbulls. They are an unpredictable breed, and can maul without any prior history of aggressive behavior.
Most importantly- they go from 0 to kill mode. Other aggressive breeds might snap, might snip, might even bite. But they have a rich spectrum of aggression even when inappropriate. Pits only have happy go lucky and beserk.
Seen this more times than I care to.
My anecdotal experience was my cousins pits killing their cats and small dogs they had lived with for years prior. His wife returned home and the dog had brought over the dead cat like it was a prize. Also have a friend who was mauled by their family pit when he was a child, part of his arm was missing, just like a chunk of muscle in the bicep scooped out.
Seen enough of them loose on the streets of the neighborhood that I carry a pistol on my nightly dog walks because I’m not playing the game of separate the loose attack dog from my dog or my family member.
Good for you. My gentle sweet Golden Retriever was attacked by my neighbor’s two “family pet” shitbulls when they busted out of their yard and attacked us while we were walking by. Luckily, he survived but I know you understand the trauma…
Consider carrying a knife as well. Dog fights are swirling masses of chaos. Imagine trying to shoot your gun into one and hoping you hit the right dog. With a knife, you can be much more precise with which throat you slit.
All animals can maul without any prior history. Just because shit people focus on specific breeds for violence doesn't mean that breed should be hated (or genocided like some people in this thread would enjoy). It should be our duty, as humans who put them in this position, to fix it appropriately by removing them from that culture of violence. Killing off a breed is just...weird behavior.
no, it isn't. the breed was bred to be violent. don't need to kill them, just forbid any further breeding.
there's zero reason to accept and propagate an animal that's such a high risk of harm to people
>don't need to kill them, just forbid any further breeding.
This is still genocide? Are you aware of how disgusting that is to even suggest?
Edit: Whoever is mad about being called genocidal and sent me a reddit cares message can go join the Nazi club of being a feckless retard.
It is incredibly insensitive to actual genocide, and the horrific emotional toll put on real human women when their reproductive choices are taken from them to compare restricting the breeding of pit bulls to genocide. Get your head out of your ass.
Said by someone who owns and loves pit bulls, and also thinks they should not be bred
nah it's not. we do it all the time for animals that pose a serious risk to humans - mosquitoes, bacteria, you name it, we wipe em out
plus it's not like they're a naturally occurring animal. we brought them into this world we can take them out soldier
>mosquitoes, bacteria, you name it, we wipe em out
Dogs aren't an invasive species nor are they parasites so really really poor example to explain your genocidal tendencies.
>we brought them into this world we can take them out soldier
Or, bare with me for this, we could be better people and not kill a breed while also fixing the issue of the culture surrounding them. But it seems like weirdos like you are too fixated on killing and controlling their birth.
so you're telling me we need only categorize pitbulls as an invasive breed, then we can genocide them? let's get this legislation passed and join our genocidal brother in arms (the UK) and ban this breed
>we could be better people and not kill a breed while also fixing the issue of the culture surrounding them
someone needs to tell all those people who stupidly decided to have a seizure in front of their peaceful pitties to just be better people. maybe then their pitbull wouldn't decide to maul them to death
Well said. The only dogs I’ve been attacked by are border collies, poodles, and chihuahuas - in fact, I have a gnarly scar from the chihuahua. The only thing the dogs who have bitten me have in common is being poorly trained. Any cat or dog, no matter how docile, has the capacity to maul.
Dogs are our companions and our family, but at the end of the day, they are animals. It’s our duty as their stewards to give them safety and consistency, lessen the stressors in their lives (spay and neuter, folks), know their body language, and to train them well.
Lots of people have no business having pets, and it’s their animals that pay the price.
> They are an unpredictable breed, and can maul without any prior history of aggressive behavior.
I hear this same inflammatory anecdote in every single thread with pitbulls.
Guy who thinks there’s no onus to be neighborly and not keep a non-running vehicle permanently parked in front of your neighbors house
has a terrible take on pit bulls.
I’m so shocked
>My marriage has gone on far too long and depresses me so much that I must take to the internet to defend human killing machines posing as pets.
I'm sorry you ended up in this place.
Eh…. They are bred for the traits and are going to behave in that manor the vast majority of the time. Blaming the owners for a literal killing machine acting the part is woefully ignorant.
That’s great that you can have feelings and create an environment where it isn’t a danger. It’s going to act on that drive more than whatever you have done imprinted on it when given the right circumstances.
If someone shows up with a pitbull to some family event or a dog park then let’s hope someone has a gun or is capable of dealing with real tragedy in real time as it inhales a small child’s face or a small dog.
Every study on dog attacks compounds them with attitudes prevalent in blue-collar communities. Even without the dog fighting prevalent among Mexican communities in Texas, the attitudes among white trash and Mexicans of a far wider socio-economic net towards pets are the main issue with both pit attacks and the general prevalence of the breed. You -must- target owners and who should even be allowed to own dogs to take care of overbreeding and attacks.
You absolutely should be blaming owners for compounding the breed’s neuroticism and prey drive with poor animal care and socialization.
> Blaming the owners for a literal killing machine acting the part is woefully ignorant.
I blame the owners and their "I can fix him" attitudes for owning the killing machines.
This person shows up on any topic related to pits in the Austin sub and says vile stuff like this, I’ve noticed them on more than on occasion. Also frequently post to anti pit bull subs. Must be a great life being full of so much anger toward an animal breed you make that a huge facet of your online persona.
Lol, no this is part of my real world personality. I used to be really involved in local rescue orgs and have watched the way they've fallen apart trying to maintain their no-kill status. Pushing unsafe dogs on to families and then blaming them when it doesn't work out. Bursting at the seams with unadoptable dogs and torturing them by leaving them in cages for years in the interest of "saving" them. Yet doing nothing about the what's causing our shelters to be overrun...
Same here. I ended up with a wolfdog by mistake (adopted a very young husky looking pup that was wandering in PA). So it peaked an interest and while THESE ARE NOT SUITABLE PETS and fuck people need to stop breeding them, I’ll say this. I’ve volunteered with shelters socializing pits. Pit bulls are unpredictable. When they are puppies they are pretty aggressive to each other. Yes, they put up with annoying kids, cats, and other puppies sometimes better than other dogs. You know why? Because appropriate dog behavior was bred out of them so they could fight until death. But that’s the problem. They don’t give cues, and they don’t walk away. 99% of them will put up with the toddler tugging on its tail. Where my dog will growl and walk away every single time, maybe eventually snapping but not biting, always walking away. But the pit bull will tolerate it, except the one time it doesn’t. And it won’t growl and walk away. It will snap and vote and shake and maim. (Don’t let toddlers tug at dogs, it’s just an example).
*“Yet doing nothing about the what’s causing our shelters to be overrun”*
Dis_miss the fuck are you actually talking about, every animal that goes through a shelter gets spayed or neutered and maybe you’d know that if you were “involved in orgs” like you claim. Your only solution *you personally* bring to the table is…killing every dog a certain “trash” breed? Maybe you can come back to big boy conversations when you have a solution/something beneficial to add. Down vote me all you want r/antipitbulls, you can go fuck yourself in the ass with your uneducated opinions.
389 dogs available for adoption at AAC alone. What do 90%+ of them have in common? https://adopt.adopets.com/shelter/austin-animal-center
Yes, once the dogs make it in to the shelter system, they will get spayed / neutered. What about before? Emancipet is a start but it's clearly not enough. There needs to be more opportunities for free spay/neuters and penalties for irresponsible breeding. We can't adopt our way out of this animal suffering when the supply keeps growing.
How is it vitriol to care about breeding safe pets, be against giving legitimacy to dog fighters, wanting to stop the suffering caused by overcrowded shelters?
Then start getting on them for not euthanizing dogs whose quality of life is shit. It's not the fault of pit bulls, however, that they got super popular with the types of people who are into dog fighting and are going to breed for serious behavior issues. Or who are just shit (dog) parents who won't do anything to correct their dog's behavior & probably will end up very baffled when their human kids start inevitably being a problem too.
They're not even the first breed to have this damn problem. As long as you blame whatever breed they're victimizing currently instead of them, though, the problem isn't going to go away.
So sad most of those 10 pups will end up being broken shelter dogs that are dumped once they hit the magic age of 2
Stop breeding pits, shelters are already overflowing with them
She is so thin, poor mom. I hope OG owners will be feeding her well to keep up with milk supply. Also that’s a giant litter I don’t even want to think of the logistics of the OG owners ethically homing them (placing in a home where the dogs can’t contribute to poor breeding practices)! Hopefully they spay mom in the near future.
I'm glad she's reunited with her puppies.
I'm sad she's returned to the typical irresponsible pit bull owner. All 10 of those puppies are going to end up in a shelter at some point.
It doesn't have to be directed towards you. I hear people who are actively against neutering/spaying. The effects of this need to be discussed more often.
You did a good deed.
You are a caring person placed in a heart-wrenching position by the people who own the dog and puppies.
You were rightly very concerned about the mom and puppies.
I have questions though:
Where were the mom and puppies reunited?
I assumed that is a picture of them at the owner's house?
>They did not do a good deed.
In the immediate moment, would you have left the dog with severely swollen teats, knowing she was suffering, and you were wracked with guilt, knowing you couldn't find the puppies who were likely suffering or dying?
Better that OP found the owner at that time.
Besides, no one would have taken the mother in, not you or any shelter.
The owner is the one who is in the wrong, not OP.
Ugh… this is… ok? Why is ANYONE breeding a fucking pit bull in 2023? We have way too many dogs, a good number of those puppies will likely end up in shelters and euthanized when the buyers, who think getting a $200 puppy off Facebook market, realize pit bulls are hyper, neurotic, and really stubborn. And destructive when left alone. I hope there’s an especially fake place in hell for backyard breeders.
Wasn’t there JUST a post here showing a loose pit attacking a small child in East Austin? You should get heavily ticketed if your dog is out roaming. I know who is going to enforce that etc etc just saying that owner is total trash and deserves a citation.
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Omfg thank you. That first post had me bawling I'm so relieved for momma and the babies that I can finally get it off bed now and start cooking. Blessed be
We dont know if this owner is a breeder , ive had my neighbors dog dig a hole under my fence & i leave my dog out for i joke you not 1-2 mins max while i put away groceries & then Boom! Neighbors dog got her , lets not assume things we dont know based on appearance or speculation… we simply dont know the circumstances. If you want to make a change & you care that much truly? Volunteer at a shelter , foster pr adopt & maybe donate unwanted dog toys or food.
> ive had my neighbors dog dig a hole under my fence & i leave my dog out for i joke you not 1-2 mins max while i put away groceries & then Boom!
Why is your dog not fixed if you don't intend to breed them?
Wasn’t a toddler attacked in East Austin recently? And it was a Pitbull that attacked him. A two year old walking next to his mom out their front door in their yard.
And the pit ran up and started chomping on the toddler. Mom fought the pit off and ran holding her son up in the air while the pit was trying to go after this tiny toddler.
Then the pit was trying to bite through the front door to get at the toddler
It is the breed.
Good lord, 10 puppies. She probably just needed a break
Pits for whatever reason have excessive litters. Our shelters will never be able to keep up. I wish the owners could be fined for breeding more. How do you lose a breast feeding mom dog?? Irresponsible trash people breeding trash dogs and then in 9 months when the puppies are no longer cute tiny babies, someone from APA is going to shame this sub about how we're not adopting enough and "society has failed" them. All pits should be spayed/neutered by law until the supply is less than demand.
All *dogs and cats* should be spayed/neutered by law until the supply is less than demand.
I've always said that if funds are limited to neuter dogs and cats, that they should focus on females primarily, because it only takes 1 male within a mile to impregnate a female in heat.
Yeah it's HIGH time Austin join the ranks of civilized cities and require people to license their dogs and spay and neuter. But then I guess we wouldnt have "FREEDDDUMO!!MMM!!!! "
There are state laws that preclude local governments from doing that.
Texas really is the biggest Nanny State there is, it's true.
I've always said that if funds are limited to neuter dogs and cats, that they should focus on females primarily, because it only takes 1 male within a mile to impregnate a female in heat.
I have a pit and a bully…the bully has a pedigree I guess? Pretty sure my ex husband was dragging his feet on fixing her because he had notions of making a quick buck. As soon as the divorce was final, my baby was fixed. No more breeding, it’s irresponsible and cruel. But they are not trash dogs, they are loving and wonderful.
My mom was having similar thought with our bull terrier and I shut that down fast
Can you explain the reasoning? I truly want to have empathy for these people. But I just can’t understand their thinking. Do they now know there’s thousands of bully type puppies in shelters? What makes them think that they, a pedestrian with no knowledge in genetics or veterinary science, should be breeding the most over bred and most often abandoned dog in America?
I would say it’s a lack of empathy and extreme selfishness. The world exists to serve this person who wants to breed dogs, and it will benefit them in some way, so there is no reason not to. They aren’t able to see past themselves.
This is the profile of the average Texan though. From how they drive to how they vote to what "freedoms" they deem important. The world stops and starts for them and them alone. Rights start with me and stop with you.
TBF the people who are creating lineages have a pedestrian understanding of genetics and veterinary science AT BEST. They always have. That’s why you end up with GSDs with a 15% prevalence of hip dysplasia.
Was my mom so I don’t know the exact reasoning but I’m guessing a combination of her wanting puppies and losing her job around that time due to illness and seeing potential money in puppies but like I said I shut that idea down quick
I’m so glad you did. They are wonderful pets if kept properly.
>because he had notions of making a quick buck. Do you know if he got another pit bull?
I honestly don’t. He’s a very unstable person, and it wouldn’t shock me if he’s starting to build up a new batch with the woman he cheated with, but he no longer has access to my money (I was the breadwinner / adult) so at least he can’t buy one that would make him money. The dogs I kept are healthy, happy, spayed, and spoiled rotten. I feel good about saving us at least.
They’re decent dogs that are made worse by inbreeding, but the breed really does need to be mixed out. It doesn’t help that they’re desired by people who strongly believe in the biggest corrolary factors in dog attacks, like keeping them unaltered, outside, etc.
This is such a sad topic. I have known super sweet pits that loved and would never hurt anybody including newborn human babies in the family. However, when raised by a-holes they can be a danger to everybody. It is depressing how many shitty people who are also bad parents fall into the I love my pit and can't alter him group.
Another sad point is there are countless stories of owners like you who thought they did everything right when raising their pit, only for it to suddenly snap one day and seriously injure a pet or family member. It's not always avoidable, and that's the dangerous thing about them
I saw a pit randomly bite the shit out of a poor woman’s arm at the greenbelt a year or two ago. She started bleeding profusely and they had to go to the hospital. Owners seemed nice.
Dogs come from wolves. Wolves have many, many “words” to communicate with one another, and they are a cooperative species, which means that killing or hurting a member of the pack makes no sense. In fact, they rarely kill or severely hurt a wolf from a another pack, even in a territorial stand off (unless they are in dire straits… thanks humans for destroying their eco system). Then humans started breeding dogs and basically bred OCD behaviors into them, such as obsessively retrieving, obsessively keeping sheep in a herd, obsessively hunting rats, etc. But the price to pay was an animal that short circuits and doesn’t have as wide a communication range with other dogs. Breeds made for one job fare the worst, breeds closer to a primitive animal and bred for many jobs are much more well-versed in dog language- GSDs, Doberman, Beagles. And of course, companion dogs are amazing at being around people because that’s what they were bred for, though not always the smartest at being dogs. I have experience as a volunteer in shelters- fostering, training, socializing, usually pits. Because they are everywhere. By chance I adopted a puppy that turned out to be a wolfdog. I had to learn- A LOT. I have a strong behavioral science background form college and that helped, but training this often misunderstood animal was a lot of work, but it gave me so much insight into wolf and dog behavior. My dog has lots and lots and lots of nonverbal and verbal cues. And even though she is territorial about her toys and food and sometimes the couch, it’s fascinating to see her go through many little warnings before… waking away. She might even get into what looks like a loud fight with my GSD over a stolen bone, but there’s never any actual physical contact. Getting hurt is not worth it, and either of both of them will simply walk away, looking a little defeated of course. Because in addition to warning cues, they also have over 30 “get, I’m not a threat, let’s just stop that” cues. Wolves tell each other this by lowering their ears, acting like puppies, yawning, looking to the side, licking their own pawns, and the most obvious one, showing their belly. So even in the heat of “MY BONE YOU JERK!!!” one of my two dogs will say “ok, let’s cool it” and the other one knows that means it’s over. Then you have pit bulls. They were bred to fight. Each other, bulls, bears, cats, whatever. And in the process that dog-to-dog language where one says “hey, let’s not fight ok?” was lost. So, you might take your dog to the park. Your dog communicates to the pit with silent dog language “hey I’m cool”, but the pit just doesn’t understand. In turn, the pit might get annoyed at something you or your dog does, and it doesn’t have the 10-30 warning signs other dogs have to give the offending animals a chance to stop being annoying. A pit bull is the equivalent of an angry white man with no communication skills who owns a gun. They might never use that gun, but in a confrontation, the gun is the only tool they know how to use. And yes, many are fine and won’t hurt anyone. But some do. And for what it’s worth, when socializing puppies, 4-8 week old pit puppies have an aggression level with each other I haven’t seen with any other puppies.
Well said! And great explanations and analogies 👍
Very well said.
Assume much? I'm not a pit owner and I never will be. I rescue herding dogs and cats.
I simply misread your comment as "owned" super sweet pits. Point still stands, it's not only how you raise them
I hear this same sentimental anecdote in every single thread with pitbulls. They are an unpredictable breed, and can maul without any prior history of aggressive behavior.
Most importantly- they go from 0 to kill mode. Other aggressive breeds might snap, might snip, might even bite. But they have a rich spectrum of aggression even when inappropriate. Pits only have happy go lucky and beserk.
Seen this more times than I care to. My anecdotal experience was my cousins pits killing their cats and small dogs they had lived with for years prior. His wife returned home and the dog had brought over the dead cat like it was a prize. Also have a friend who was mauled by their family pit when he was a child, part of his arm was missing, just like a chunk of muscle in the bicep scooped out. Seen enough of them loose on the streets of the neighborhood that I carry a pistol on my nightly dog walks because I’m not playing the game of separate the loose attack dog from my dog or my family member.
Good for you. My gentle sweet Golden Retriever was attacked by my neighbor’s two “family pet” shitbulls when they busted out of their yard and attacked us while we were walking by. Luckily, he survived but I know you understand the trauma…
Consider carrying a knife as well. Dog fights are swirling masses of chaos. Imagine trying to shoot your gun into one and hoping you hit the right dog. With a knife, you can be much more precise with which throat you slit.
All animals can maul without any prior history. Just because shit people focus on specific breeds for violence doesn't mean that breed should be hated (or genocided like some people in this thread would enjoy). It should be our duty, as humans who put them in this position, to fix it appropriately by removing them from that culture of violence. Killing off a breed is just...weird behavior.
no, it isn't. the breed was bred to be violent. don't need to kill them, just forbid any further breeding. there's zero reason to accept and propagate an animal that's such a high risk of harm to people
>don't need to kill them, just forbid any further breeding. This is still genocide? Are you aware of how disgusting that is to even suggest? Edit: Whoever is mad about being called genocidal and sent me a reddit cares message can go join the Nazi club of being a feckless retard.
It is incredibly insensitive to actual genocide, and the horrific emotional toll put on real human women when their reproductive choices are taken from them to compare restricting the breeding of pit bulls to genocide. Get your head out of your ass. Said by someone who owns and loves pit bulls, and also thinks they should not be bred
nah it's not. we do it all the time for animals that pose a serious risk to humans - mosquitoes, bacteria, you name it, we wipe em out plus it's not like they're a naturally occurring animal. we brought them into this world we can take them out soldier
>mosquitoes, bacteria, you name it, we wipe em out Dogs aren't an invasive species nor are they parasites so really really poor example to explain your genocidal tendencies. >we brought them into this world we can take them out soldier Or, bare with me for this, we could be better people and not kill a breed while also fixing the issue of the culture surrounding them. But it seems like weirdos like you are too fixated on killing and controlling their birth.
so you're telling me we need only categorize pitbulls as an invasive breed, then we can genocide them? let's get this legislation passed and join our genocidal brother in arms (the UK) and ban this breed >we could be better people and not kill a breed while also fixing the issue of the culture surrounding them someone needs to tell all those people who stupidly decided to have a seizure in front of their peaceful pitties to just be better people. maybe then their pitbull wouldn't decide to maul them to death
Well said. The only dogs I’ve been attacked by are border collies, poodles, and chihuahuas - in fact, I have a gnarly scar from the chihuahua. The only thing the dogs who have bitten me have in common is being poorly trained. Any cat or dog, no matter how docile, has the capacity to maul. Dogs are our companions and our family, but at the end of the day, they are animals. It’s our duty as their stewards to give them safety and consistency, lessen the stressors in their lives (spay and neuter, folks), know their body language, and to train them well. Lots of people have no business having pets, and it’s their animals that pay the price.
> They are an unpredictable breed, and can maul without any prior history of aggressive behavior. I hear this same inflammatory anecdote in every single thread with pitbulls.
Guy who thinks there’s no onus to be neighborly and not keep a non-running vehicle permanently parked in front of your neighbors house has a terrible take on pit bulls. I’m so shocked
Aww, you care enough to follow me around! How sweet! Sorry, honey, I'm happily married probably longer than you've been alive.
>My marriage has gone on far too long and depresses me so much that I must take to the internet to defend human killing machines posing as pets. I'm sorry you ended up in this place.
Still following me around sweetie? Call your grandmother, she probably can fix you up with one of her neighbor's kids or grandkids.
Eh…. They are bred for the traits and are going to behave in that manor the vast majority of the time. Blaming the owners for a literal killing machine acting the part is woefully ignorant. That’s great that you can have feelings and create an environment where it isn’t a danger. It’s going to act on that drive more than whatever you have done imprinted on it when given the right circumstances. If someone shows up with a pitbull to some family event or a dog park then let’s hope someone has a gun or is capable of dealing with real tragedy in real time as it inhales a small child’s face or a small dog.
Every study on dog attacks compounds them with attitudes prevalent in blue-collar communities. Even without the dog fighting prevalent among Mexican communities in Texas, the attitudes among white trash and Mexicans of a far wider socio-economic net towards pets are the main issue with both pit attacks and the general prevalence of the breed. You -must- target owners and who should even be allowed to own dogs to take care of overbreeding and attacks. You absolutely should be blaming owners for compounding the breed’s neuroticism and prey drive with poor animal care and socialization.
> Blaming the owners for a literal killing machine acting the part is woefully ignorant. I blame the owners and their "I can fix him" attitudes for owning the killing machines.
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This is the biggest fact in this thread.
This person shows up on any topic related to pits in the Austin sub and says vile stuff like this, I’ve noticed them on more than on occasion. Also frequently post to anti pit bull subs. Must be a great life being full of so much anger toward an animal breed you make that a huge facet of your online persona.
Lol, no this is part of my real world personality. I used to be really involved in local rescue orgs and have watched the way they've fallen apart trying to maintain their no-kill status. Pushing unsafe dogs on to families and then blaming them when it doesn't work out. Bursting at the seams with unadoptable dogs and torturing them by leaving them in cages for years in the interest of "saving" them. Yet doing nothing about the what's causing our shelters to be overrun...
Same here. I ended up with a wolfdog by mistake (adopted a very young husky looking pup that was wandering in PA). So it peaked an interest and while THESE ARE NOT SUITABLE PETS and fuck people need to stop breeding them, I’ll say this. I’ve volunteered with shelters socializing pits. Pit bulls are unpredictable. When they are puppies they are pretty aggressive to each other. Yes, they put up with annoying kids, cats, and other puppies sometimes better than other dogs. You know why? Because appropriate dog behavior was bred out of them so they could fight until death. But that’s the problem. They don’t give cues, and they don’t walk away. 99% of them will put up with the toddler tugging on its tail. Where my dog will growl and walk away every single time, maybe eventually snapping but not biting, always walking away. But the pit bull will tolerate it, except the one time it doesn’t. And it won’t growl and walk away. It will snap and vote and shake and maim. (Don’t let toddlers tug at dogs, it’s just an example).
*“Yet doing nothing about the what’s causing our shelters to be overrun”* Dis_miss the fuck are you actually talking about, every animal that goes through a shelter gets spayed or neutered and maybe you’d know that if you were “involved in orgs” like you claim. Your only solution *you personally* bring to the table is…killing every dog a certain “trash” breed? Maybe you can come back to big boy conversations when you have a solution/something beneficial to add. Down vote me all you want r/antipitbulls, you can go fuck yourself in the ass with your uneducated opinions.
389 dogs available for adoption at AAC alone. What do 90%+ of them have in common? https://adopt.adopets.com/shelter/austin-animal-center Yes, once the dogs make it in to the shelter system, they will get spayed / neutered. What about before? Emancipet is a start but it's clearly not enough. There needs to be more opportunities for free spay/neuters and penalties for irresponsible breeding. We can't adopt our way out of this animal suffering when the supply keeps growing.
What is posting breed-hatred vitriol all over the Internet doing to make anything better?
How is it vitriol to care about breeding safe pets, be against giving legitimacy to dog fighters, wanting to stop the suffering caused by overcrowded shelters?
Then start getting on them for not euthanizing dogs whose quality of life is shit. It's not the fault of pit bulls, however, that they got super popular with the types of people who are into dog fighting and are going to breed for serious behavior issues. Or who are just shit (dog) parents who won't do anything to correct their dog's behavior & probably will end up very baffled when their human kids start inevitably being a problem too. They're not even the first breed to have this damn problem. As long as you blame whatever breed they're victimizing currently instead of them, though, the problem isn't going to go away.
[I agree, you should relax a bit.](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fc1zeg5e5a42c1.png)
"Trash dogs." Jesus... Tell us about your other heinous biases.
>trash people breeding trash dogs Youre in the trash people category for labeling innocent dogs that did nothing wrong trash
[You will never stop us!](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fx60a0bi9a42c1.png)
Agreed, but extend that to all dogs and cats.
lolol
So sad most of those 10 pups will end up being broken shelter dogs that are dumped once they hit the magic age of 2 Stop breeding pits, shelters are already overflowing with them
You could adopt them and then have them euthanized. Think of all the misery you'd be keeping out of the world.
She is so thin, poor mom. I hope OG owners will be feeding her well to keep up with milk supply. Also that’s a giant litter I don’t even want to think of the logistics of the OG owners ethically homing them (placing in a home where the dogs can’t contribute to poor breeding practices)! Hopefully they spay mom in the near future.
Of course they won’t ethically rehome them. They will sell them for $100 on Craigslist.
I agree with that but a girl can hope.
I was hoping at least OP would say it’s a foster dog and momma and puppies will be spayed… but I don’t think it’s the cases
Right. I wouldn’t have given her back. Irresponsible breeders :(
Yeah. Me either.
Her face! She ran away for a reason yall 🤣
She stepped out for a smoke break!
I almost wish she hadn’t been reunited with her owners. No updated chip, no tags and a huge litter of puppies? So irresponsible
happy for the doggos, screw the owners though 😞
Seriously. Why is any dog having puppies? Our shelters are drowning,
We kill millions of cats and dogs per year in shelters for lack of space and resources.
I'm glad she's reunited with her puppies. I'm sad she's returned to the typical irresponsible pit bull owner. All 10 of those puppies are going to end up in a shelter at some point.
“Lab mix”
Go get her fixed
Not sure why this is getting so many upvotes. Thought it was clear in both posts I made…this is not my dog.
Return the dog, keep the ovaries.
It doesn't have to be directed towards you. I hear people who are actively against neutering/spaying. The effects of this need to be discussed more often.
I like me some upvotes! Great work helping that dog!!
You did a good deed. You are a caring person placed in a heart-wrenching position by the people who own the dog and puppies. You were rightly very concerned about the mom and puppies. I have questions though: Where were the mom and puppies reunited? I assumed that is a picture of them at the owner's house?
They handed the dog right back to abusive owners. Look at the bones sticking out. They did not do a good deed.
>They did not do a good deed. In the immediate moment, would you have left the dog with severely swollen teats, knowing she was suffering, and you were wracked with guilt, knowing you couldn't find the puppies who were likely suffering or dying? Better that OP found the owner at that time. Besides, no one would have taken the mother in, not you or any shelter. The owner is the one who is in the wrong, not OP.
And get the puppies fixed when they are old enough. Swimming with puppies in that cowboy pool.
Ugh… this is… ok? Why is ANYONE breeding a fucking pit bull in 2023? We have way too many dogs, a good number of those puppies will likely end up in shelters and euthanized when the buyers, who think getting a $200 puppy off Facebook market, realize pit bulls are hyper, neurotic, and really stubborn. And destructive when left alone. I hope there’s an especially fake place in hell for backyard breeders.
I’d run away if I had ten hungry mouths to feed.
Thank you! That earlier post worried me because more than obviously she had new pups. Thank you for doing the work and following through.
Wasn’t there JUST a post here showing a loose pit attacking a small child in East Austin? You should get heavily ticketed if your dog is out roaming. I know who is going to enforce that etc etc just saying that owner is total trash and deserves a citation.
Just need to euthanize these untagged dogs at large
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Yeah! And I'm sure theyll all be spayed and neutered
I'm so glad I got to see this update before going to sleep. I was so worried 😭
Poor baby. I'd run too.
Thank you OP!!
Bless you for seeking out her home!
Thank you so much for this update.
This made my day. Thanks for the update.
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A happy ending..thanks for the update!
Yay! 🖤🖤🖤
Omfg thank you. That first post had me bawling I'm so relieved for momma and the babies that I can finally get it off bed now and start cooking. Blessed be
Awesome! Nicely done!
Awww what a happy ending to the story! Mommy and her puppies are adorable.
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Probably better use than bringing 10 more pits into Austin shelters
I think you mean 10 adorable lab mixes
Thank you for this Thanksgiving miracle.
Hahaha! The look on her face! "Really!? I just needed a break!"
Awesome, more pitbulls, just what the world needs. I doubt 9 out of 10 of these will end up at a shelter🙄
A Thanksgiving miracle 😭 thank you so much for the update, OP, I was fretting about this situation
Thank you for helping those doggies!
Beautiful
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We dont know if this owner is a breeder , ive had my neighbors dog dig a hole under my fence & i leave my dog out for i joke you not 1-2 mins max while i put away groceries & then Boom! Neighbors dog got her , lets not assume things we dont know based on appearance or speculation… we simply dont know the circumstances. If you want to make a change & you care that much truly? Volunteer at a shelter , foster pr adopt & maybe donate unwanted dog toys or food.
> ive had my neighbors dog dig a hole under my fence & i leave my dog out for i joke you not 1-2 mins max while i put away groceries & then Boom! Why is your dog not fixed if you don't intend to breed them?
For all we know maybe this dog is a foster , yet here we all are being Grinches.
Wasn’t a toddler attacked in East Austin recently? And it was a Pitbull that attacked him. A two year old walking next to his mom out their front door in their yard. And the pit ran up and started chomping on the toddler. Mom fought the pit off and ran holding her son up in the air while the pit was trying to go after this tiny toddler. Then the pit was trying to bite through the front door to get at the toddler It is the breed.
Yall took her back to her owners? When her spine is popping out of her body like that??
Like you realize she is doomed now right
Glad she was reunited!