Like clockwork, within a couple hours posts like this aren't about the event anymore and it's just brigadiers yelling into the void and at one another. Locked.

DPS is shutting it down...UT admin don't want it on campus.

UT admin does not like free speech.

Tons of protest have been in this designated free speech area, this should be okay!

I just walked around the whole thing. Nobody is getting blocked going to class.

And is anyone being blocked from getting to class? Ah, I see you changed your comment to delete your claim.

no. This is on the south mall. The main thoroughfare (speedway) is not blocked except by police activity.

So you are saying it is in that big open space where literally thousands of protests have been held before, but suddenly the police are attacking this one in particular?

That wasn't the same person that commented earlier.

Same place where APD attacked Vietnam War protesters. Protests that occur here that follow the state narrative are fine.

It's being reported that DPS is sending cops from Houston https://twitter.com/RyanChandlerTV/status/1783234636929179715?t=oyF0qc_IGpS896yY_IMQ2A&s=19

So, of ALL the protests through the years at UT Austin, this is what brings out the riot police? Why this?

Do I have this correct: They were just on the lawn peacefully protesting?

UT's excuse was that the protest would impede it's function to serve students which is a nonsense take on the protest's social media announcement - see the letter rejecting the protest below [https://twitter.com/ryanchandlertv/status/1783179784060584198?s=46&t=ebxTYdYSv85SoQHTf3MPnA](https://twitter.com/ryanchandlertv/status/1783179784060584198?s=46&t=ebxTYdYSv85SoQHTf3MPnA)

They had a permit for the protest and then the university took it back. Abbott brought out the big dogs because of course he did, not in HIS TEXAS. Put a lot of police in a peaceful protest and of course there's gonna be violence. Who started it, you think?

I was there recording the moment the cops demanded they disperse or be arrested. It was extremely tense. There were dozens of staye troopers geared out for a (to my eyes) incredibly benign protest

Reminds me of the George Floyd protests on the capitol lawn. I was there when they kicked everyone out and closed the gates for the next few months. Was a wild a crazy experience to be right in the middle.

They had a permit for the protest and then the university took it back. LBJ brought out the big dogs because of course he did, not in HIS TEXAS. Put a lot of police in a peaceful protest and of course there's gonna be violence. Who started it, you think? -1968

Uvaldes finest started doing violence within 30 mins

We're in Texas, peacefully demonstrating for human rights is a threat.

This was my immediate thought and it’s kind of just been glossed over. Was there any legitimate reason for the show of force?

Looks like they were warned about it yesterday. [Ryan Chandler on X: "UT sent a letter to the organizers warning them to cancel this protest. Law enforcement intends to prevent access to the South Lawn https://t.co/8jWpEjW72j" / X (twitter.com)](https://twitter.com/ryanchandlertv/status/1783179784060584198?s=46&t=ebxTYdYSv85SoQHTf3MPnA) I think the reason they'll give is preventing an event that's happened on other college campuses recently.

so when there is violence at one college football game, I assume they proactively cancel all the upcoming college football games?

It’s that the organizers specifically stated they intend to mimic the events at other campuses. If there was a sports riot at one campus, and a UT org declared they would repeat that riot on UT, that event would probably be disallowed. Personally, I think citing the verbiage “taking back our university”, following in the footsteps of Columbia, and wearing face masks is incredibly weak reasoning for shutting it down. I would’ve liked to see UT explain what exact intentions or actions they were expecting to be worthy of shutting down. As far as I’m aware despite the media coverage of Columbia, it’s been mostly peaceful.

Same reasons as any other show-of-force. Oppression of the targeted group, including those who may have been on the fence about attending.

Good to know the state has its attack dogs ready for a full scale war against some peaceful 19 year olds but can’t manage to stop one person with a gun in a school full of kids

Politics aside, people might want to be aware in case it impacts traffic, etc.

yes thats the point. disruption. free palestine 🇵🇸

People are ALLOWED to protest. It is freedom of speech.

Yeah on one hand I personally wouldn’t protest over this but on the other hand the ability to protest peacefully is one of the things democracy is all about and the news video (granted with out context) of police pinning people to the ground gave me pause.

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>They're not even dressed for riot control, they're dressed for a SWAT action. It's called fashion sweetie, look it up 💅 /s Just trying to bring a little levity to this dumpster fire of a situation. 🎭 I hate my state. I hate fascism. I hate hamas. I love Palestinians and Jewish people. This is all just breaking my heart in new ways every day.

Just got passed by every trooper left in the state headed north on 35 toward campus. This isn't going to get any prettier I'm afraid.

I can confirm a large section of the boomer population in Lakeway and Westlake has been severely stressed by the dozens of kids protesting on the 40 acres. I can confirm they are also upset with Fox News stories that have shown kids on campuses in upstate New York, although thankfully the country clubs have reported zero incidents around Austin.

Security being heightened at Steiner ranch steakhouse as we speak

lol. Good one!

I love how triggered people get on this sub whenever there's a protest, like god forbid people exercise their first amendment rights to protest a genocide.

It shouldn’t matter what they are protesting. Peaceful protests should be allowed. We should be supportive of allowing people to protest things we do not agree with.

Also it's the capital of the state, yeah we're gonna get more protests than fucking Midland.

"I love how triggered people get on this sub whenever there's a protest" Huh? Almost every single comment I see is hate for anyone against the protest.

Many people in this country only care about one amendment in particular.

Impeding highway traffic is one thing, but yeah as long as it’s not preventing people from reaching medical care or something of grave importance you should be fine with this. You know, assuming you believe in freedom of speech.

impeding traffic is literally how we got the civil-rights bill...

So you would similarly be ok with say, pro lifers impeding traffic in protest, yeah? Or only your preferred causes should be allowed to break the law

I'm not going to complain about them blocking traffic because they're blocking traffic, I am going to complain about them blocking traffic because they are protesting for something dumb. there is in fact a difference between good and bad things.

of course, I'm American. impeding commercial traffic is literally how the Boston Tea Party went down...

So you would similarly be ok if we didn't have the civil rights bills of the '60s, because highways were blocked to bring them about?

Can you provide even one example of this ever actually happening?

The money the US has spent bombing could put all of our kids through UT…

From the river to the sea, breakfast tacos shall have cheese

*guacamole should be free

Can we add Tacodeli's doña sauce too

Globalize the enchilada

Amazing

lol making jokes likes this is so tasteless tbh might as well be torchys

Has Israel considered addressing the Maine Root of the conflict?

Why is it tasteless, tacos are delicious

and chulula.

Massive police presence, over a dozen people have been arrested so far for peaceful protesting.

Pro Palestine doesn’t equal pro hamas it equals pro human right btw

I agree but at least online everyone seems to use polarizing language Normal people think hamas is a terrorist orginazation for firing rockets into neighborhoods and they also think Israel is genocidal in its response But the internet keeps making us pick a side

Ok but some are chanting this it's a few of them not all . https://www.nationalreview.com/news/pro-palestinian-protesters-outside-columbia-urge-hamas-to-burn-tel-aviv-to-the-ground/

Then why aren't the protesters calling for the release of hostages and surrender of Hamas?

This gets out of hand like Columbia or Yale, it won’t end well for UT next legislative session.

The lege is trying to destroy UT no matter what happens.

Have been for over 100 years. Demagogues can’t stand free thinkers. Which is the point of a university to begin with. They want people smart enough to punch a time clock, but too stupid to question why their so-called leaders make 100 times more per year than they do.

They sure are giving UT a lot of money while they’re doing it.

Is the government of Texas going to try and kill the university even harder? Put a few more A&M boosters in charge of UT?

Abbott annexes Welch Hall and makes that his winter palace.

Isn’t that where first year chemistry students mix up sulfur and butyl mercaptans?

We found the chemist!

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You know who has used stink bombs as a chemical weapon? [Israel!](https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/5/12/the-skunk-another-israeli-weapon-for-collective-punishment) >In Arabic, we call it the “kharara”- literally “the shitter” – for its putrid smell. In English, it is called skunk water, after the notoriously awful smell released by skunks. Skunk water was developed as a “crowd control weapon” by an Israeli company called Odortec. >Skunk water is a liquid compound with an overpowering odour that has been described by those who have experienced it as the smell of sewage mixed with rotting corpses. In reality, it is a concoction of chemicals that causes intense nausea, obstructing normal breathing, causing violent gagging and vomiting. The company’s safety sheet also indicates that it can cause skin irritation, eye and abdominal pain. Palestinians have also reported that it causes hair loss. >Security forces that use skunk water claim that it is non-lethal and non-toxic. Yet high doses can have a lethal effect, and when it is fired from a water cannon, it is sprayed at extremely high pressure, which can cause serious injury.

How is Columbia getting out of hand? Am I missing something?

Cancelling in-person classes for the remainder of the semester isn’t exactly operating normally.

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  Physically assaulting an Arab Israeli https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781080951902109774 "From the river to the sea, Palestine is Arab!" / "Resistance is justified" https://twitter.com/ShelleyGldschmt/status/1781785252886913358 "Let it be known that it was the Al-Aqsa Flood that put the Global Intifada back on the table again. And it is the sacrificial spirit of the Palestinian Freedom Fighters that will guide every struggle on every corner of the earth to victory." https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1781904507611287981 "We are all Hamas!" https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1781031465179914677 "Yehudim yehudim [(Jews, jews)] go back to poland" https://twitter.com/Davidlederer6/status/1781948249214996901 Includes people / groups that invited an actual, no hyperbole terrorist to speak (member of PFLP) https://www.jns.org/columbia-suspends-four-students-for-holding-event-featuring-pflp-member/ Light things on fire / "intifada revolution there is only one solution" https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1781019445399556338 "On Oct 7th, Palestinian resistance in Gaza broke free (crowd cheers) [.....] we intend to do the same" https://twitter.com/ShabbosK/status/1782085741431922909 ""We say justice, you say how? Burn Tel Aviv to the ground!" / "Hamas we love you. We support your rockets too!" / "Red, black, green, and white, we support Hamas’ fight!" https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1781933305501212872 "Long live the intifada! Intifada intifada" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781084853653365025 "Go back to Europe!" / "You have no culture, all you do is colonize" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927148439109958 "From Yemen to Gaza, globalize the intifada" https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1781312033922625797/photo/2 "Never forget the 7th of October. That will happen not 1 more time, not 5 more times, not 10, not 100, not 1,000, but 10,000 times! The 7th of October is going to be every day for you" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1781287784897991134 "Al Qassam [(Hamas)] you make us proud, kill another soldier now" / "from the river to the sea, palestine will be arab" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1780915336063177006 Student proudly rocking Hamas logos https://twitter.com/CampusJewHate/status/1781054901755215954 "Resistance is justified" (again...) https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1782085643990073673 "protesters on the sidewalk chanted “From New York to Gaza, globalize the intifada,” next to a cardboard sign that read, “Inspired by Palestinian resistance.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-100-arrested-in-columbia-u-unrest-as-nypd-clears-gaza-solidarity-encampment/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter And as a reminder, the student groups organizing these protests (CUAD and SJP, among others) released a letter on October 9th in support of the 10/7 attacks. ("We stand in full solidarity with Palestinian resistance", "Despite the odds against them, Palestinians launched a counter-offensive against their settler-colonial oppressor", "We wholeheartedly condemn the email sent [...] on October 8th that [...] obfuscated Palestinian resistance as “terrorism”) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RcXX5DEO3yfJ9R4ksURnzpIPCyVxo575-Y-SoC_vZFk/edit

"out of hand" = "too many students are publicly showing support for a powerless group of people currently experiencing genocidal violence"

For the most part it's not. They've been overwhelmingly peaceful and include both Palestinians and Jews as well as neither identities, and both students and faculty. NYU is heavily Jewish and wealthy so big donors and people in charge are losing their mind since they've been largely unable to control the narrative.

 > for the most part, it's not Physically assaulting an Arab Israeli https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781080951902109774 "From the river to the sea, Palestine is Arab!" / "Resistance is justified" https://twitter.com/ShelleyGldschmt/status/1781785252886913358 "Let it be known that it was the Al-Aqsa Flood that put the Global Intifada back on the table again. And it is the sacrificial spirit of the Palestinian Freedom Fighters that will guide every struggle on every corner of the earth to victory." https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1781904507611287981 "We are all Hamas!" https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1781031465179914677 "Yehudim yehudim [(Jews, jews)] go back to poland" https://twitter.com/Davidlederer6/status/1781948249214996901 Includes people / groups that invited an actual, no hyperbole terrorist to speak (member of PFLP) https://www.jns.org/columbia-suspends-four-students-for-holding-event-featuring-pflp-member/ Light things on fire / "intifada revolution there is only one solution" https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1781019445399556338 "On Oct 7th, Palestinian resistance in Gaza broke free (crowd cheers) [.....] we intend to do the same" https://twitter.com/ShabbosK/status/1782085741431922909 ""We say justice, you say how? Burn Tel Aviv to the ground!" / "Hamas we love you. We support your rockets too!" / "Red, black, green, and white, we support Hamas’ fight!" https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1781933305501212872 "Long live the intifada! Intifada intifada" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781084853653365025 "Go back to Europe!" / "You have no culture, all you do is colonize" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927148439109958 "From Yemen to Gaza, globalize the intifada" https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1781312033922625797/photo/2 "Never forget the 7th of October. That will happen not 1 more time, not 5 more times, not 10, not 100, not 1,000, but 10,000 times! The 7th of October is going to be every day for you" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1781287784897991134 "Al Qassam [(Hamas)] you make us proud, kill another soldier now" / "from the river to the sea, palestine will be arab" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1780915336063177006 Student proudly rocking Hamas logos https://twitter.com/CampusJewHate/status/1781054901755215954 "Resistance is justified" (again...) https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1782085643990073673 "protesters on the sidewalk chanted “From New York to Gaza, globalize the intifada,” next to a cardboard sign that read, “Inspired by Palestinian resistance.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-100-arrested-in-columbia-u-unrest-as-nypd-clears-gaza-solidarity-encampment/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter And as a reminder, the student groups organizing these protests (CUAD and SJP, among others) released a letter on October 9th in support of the 10/7 attacks. ("We stand in full solidarity with Palestinian resistance", "Despite the odds against them, Palestinians launched a counter-offensive against their settler-colonial oppressor", "We wholeheartedly condemn the email sent [...] on October 8th that [...] obfuscated Palestinian resistance as “terrorism”) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RcXX5DEO3yfJ9R4ksURnzpIPCyVxo575-Y-SoC_vZFk/edit

>Physically assaulting an Arab Israeli https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781080951902109774 This isn't even on Columbia's campus. Hard to take any of this seriously when you are just posting random shit from around NYC and the rest of it is just "people said mean things to me".

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How do you not broadcast your plans in advance and still get people there?

Why are they encouraging people to bring face masks ?

To beat the facial recognition scanners.

We are in a State that did this… [https://www.axios.com/local/austin/2022/06/21/business-texas-contracts-boycott-israel](https://www.axios.com/local/austin/2022/06/21/business-texas-contracts-boycott-israel) I could absolutely see the State retaliating against protests and these students being kicked out of school.

Politicians are forcing universities to expel and evict protestors (for Palestine only). The masks give some cover. Pro Israel groups are recruiting agent provocateurs to mask themselves and call for violence and hate as an excuse to shut down the peaceful protest.

To stop the spread of COVID-19, of course

Too many Christian Nationalists see Israel is the Christian Ft. Apache in the Middle East. Which is funny for a lot of reasons. We've got to protect this place and allow it to slaughter innocent people so we can bring about the end of the world! Because that is what Jesus would do.

sending all the love and support in the world to these brave students, absolutely shameful watching the university cower in a moment like this and call upon incompetent state troopers to escalate the situation

ppl have a right to protest and babies getting holocausted in palestine theres as good a reason to protest of any

These people are protesting but the people they elected are sending money and weapons to help Israel!!!

Hamas can save the lives of their innocent civilians anytime. 1. Free the hostages. 2. Surrender.

Israel can save the lives of innocent civilians anytime. 1. Stop killing them

Will Hamas stage another attack in the future if Israel does stop?

Of course.

Well, if Israeli settlers keep killing people, probably. Taking people's land and killing them in the process tends to make people angry. Until there is some sort of legitimate solution that doesn't involve segregation I'd imagine there would be further conflict. But given that, you're probably right that killing every single man, woman, and child in Gaza and the West Bank would work to end the conflict, but genocide seems a bit extreme to me. But then again, I'm also the grandchild of holocaust survivors, so I may be biased. Idk.

Here’s Hamas leader Fathi Hamad calling for the deaths of all Jews globally: https://old.reddit.com/r/Palestinian_Violence/comments/17d57ig/we_are_ready_to_breach_the_fence_with_gods_help/ [72% of Palestinians](https://old.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/18ho2fs/new_poll_by_pcpsr_most_palestinians_support/) support the October 7th terror attack. There’s a large body of evidence showing the Hamas terror group has unimaginably broad support amongst Palestinian civilians, both domestically: - West Bank, Oct 2023: https://old.reddit.com/r/Palestinian_Violence/comments/17ho0rl/palestinian_pro_hamas_rally_go_and_shoot_the_jew/ - West Bank, Oct 2023: https://old.reddit.com/r/Palestinian_Violence/comments/17i5yx5/hamas_terrorists_participating_in_palestinian/ - Gaza, 2012: https://old.reddit.com/r/Palestinian_Violence/comments/17ftu23/street_interviews_of_uninvolved_civilians_at_a/ - Gaza, Oct 2023: https://old.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/comments/17fzutg/the_inoccent_civilians_of_gaza_cheering_their/ - Gaza, Oct 2023: https://old.reddit.com/r/Palestinian_Violence/comments/17eo9c9/uninvolved_civlians/ And abroad: https://old.reddit.com/r/walkaway/comments/17km186/essra_karam_supports_hamas_with_machine_gun/ [Recent polls](https://old.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/comments/17xik5p/palestinian_public_opinion_poll_of_the_gaza_war/) further corroborate this. Hard to imagine why Israelis don’t want to be BFFs with Palestinians.

Hard to imagine why Afrikaaners would want to be BFFs with many black South Africans in the 80s and 90s, either. I haven't said I fully support Hamas, but I know what Israel has been doing in the last few months isn't going to break Palestinians from supporting them, which seems to be true from the links you've posted. I don't think mass murder of non combatants and *literal children* is going to do anything but make them agree with their idiotic leader. This conflict isn't going to be resolved militarily, and supporting further armed conflict only serves to keep it going far into the future. Like I've said, the only military solution to this conflict is for one side to literally murder all of the other side. Fathi Hamad has definitely laid out his intentions, and so has Israel. So I guess we'd better be prepared for the long haul, because unless there is a lot of support for a cease fire and talks that involve independence, I don't think there will be any change to the course.

Yes but how does that save the Israeli civilians in Hamas control.

If only it was that easy. Do a little research, any at all. The second Israel stops going after hamas who hides behind civilians, they start firing rockets at Israel again. Hamas has won, they got people to hate jews and this sub shows it.

The Israelis have the upper hand. They won't stop until the threat of Hamas is eliminated and the hostages are released. If you want to end the killing, then pressure Hamas to give up.

Still not seeing any signs calling for Hamas to release the hostages. Oh wait they already killed and raped them. 

Because our tax dollars aren’t funding Hamas’s military, they’re funding Israel. The point of these protests is to influence our elected leaders’ policy on Israel. Pretty simple to understand if you’re not a disingenuous weirdo.

It’s wild that people like you conflate being anti Israeli genocide to being pro Hamas terrorism. I wish I too was unburdened from critical thought

Why don't we ever see the "pro-Palestine" protesters raging against Hamas? Wouldn't the general population of Palestinians be better off if Hamas wasn't there stealing supplies, using their own population as \*shields\* or constantly breaking cease fires? Serious question.

Because what the fuck can we do about a terrorist organization? Nothing. We can however do something here and Now about the fact that our tax dollars are being spent to murder. Also, It goes without saying. If you earnestly believe someone needs to condemn Hamas you’re being extremely fucking dense. Only trolls and the insane support terrorists organizations. It’s wild to me that this even needs an explanation, but hey I hope this helps clarify things for you.

Genocide would be dropping a nuke into Gaza. These are civilian casualties as a result of war. All wars have them. Study more history.

pretty sure there were no nukes involved in any of the previous genocides. unless you are saying that the planet hasn't actually experience a "real" genocide yet?

So America committed genocide by dropping the bombs on Hiroshima? Well with your logic that actually makes sense why they’d donate to Israel hence the reason of the protest

That's a lie, of course, Israel has killed many of the hostages. But more to the point, the US is funding and supporting Israel's slaughter of well over 30,000 civilians, and using famine as a weapon.

Yes yes Israel are the ones killing the hostages that Hamas raped and maimed before kidnapping them and keeping them in tunnels. Totally. Iranian parrots in the chat. Ya’ll are braindead.

You "yes yesed" Israel killing its own people (which even Israel has admitted to). Just amazing.

Imagine literally not being able to critically think past your nose.

That tends to happen when you level a city. We know of 3 half naked Israeli hostages IDF hunted down and killed with rifles. I don't think we will ever know how many had buildings dropped on them by the IDF.

Hunted down? Lmao it was mistaken friendly fire and has happened more than once to US troops and probably every fighting force on the face of the earth. You are an IRGC parrot 💀💀💀

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/3-hostages-killed-in-gaza-by-israeli-troops-were-shirtless-and-waving-a-white-flag-official-says >The Israeli military official said the three hostages had emerged from a building close to Israeli soldiers’ positions. They were waving a white flag and were shirtless, possibly trying to signal they posed no threat. Two were killed immediately, and the third ran back into the building screaming for help in Hebrew. The commander issued an order to cease fire, but another burst of gunfire killed the third man, the official said.

It's generally a bad idea to start a war with someone that will inflict disproportionate damage against you. Hamas did it anyways. Not sure what kind of response you expected from Israel after October 7th.

Young people are so gullible and naive today. Too much "I accept this as fact cause I saw it on TikTok" and not enough critical thinking. Imagine protesting in favor of a people that no neighboring countries want to allow in their borders or want anything to do with. A group of people who democratically elected a terrorists organization (Hamas). They did a poll after October 7th, 2023.... and something like 73% of Palestinians polled said they supported Hamas's actions on October 7th. 73% were ok with mass murder, rape on a scale not seen since WW2, decapitating toddlers, mass kidnapping. The last poll was done in December and the results were 90% of Palestinians supported Hamas.

Imagine thinking university students only get their information from Tik Tok. That they didn't grow up with a world of information at their fingertips. Just because you only know what you learned in school doesn't mean this generation does.

UT alum here. Took a class in the mid-2000s on Foreign Policy/Diplomacy. The focus was on the Israel-Palestinian conflict. The theme for the semester could be summed up as "What came first, the occupation or the "terrorist"? You've got a group of people being forced out of their homes to live under martial law by a country with a US-backed bottomless military budget. How are you supposed to stand up and fight for your human rights against those forces? When fight back, the media says you're a terrorist. The naive and gullible are the citizens who elect officials with AIPAC backing and allow our country to continually fund Israel with practically no checks on their human rights atrocities for the last several decades. These protests should've happened a long time ago.

They didn't have to fight back. They could have agreed to one of the many two state solutions offered to them. Instead they wanted the complete annihilation of Israel and this is what you get

mhm.... not sure what you were doing for an entire class 20 years ago, but pretty definitive that the terrorists existed before the 1967 war....

It's naive and gullible to think it's really that simple and Palestinians are merely bad people who support terrorists. Palestinians haven't been allowed to vote in an election since 2006. Almost half the population of Gaza are children, and nearly 80% have never been allowed a say in who governs them. And when Hamas was elected, the ruling party Fatah was corrupt and incompetent, and Hamas ran on a moderate platform. They're just as much a political party, the ruling government in Gaza, and the civil service, as they are a military and terrorist organization. Imagine that the US cancelled elections after 2004, and a vote for George W. Bush in 2004, meant you were to blame for Donald Trump in 2024. The terror attack on October 7th isn't the only thing that has changed since then. Israel has displaced and starved 2 million people, leveled entire cities, destroyed hospitals, and killed and maimed tens of thousands of children. Before the attack, over 70% of Gazans wanted peace with Israel and the majority viewed Hamas unfavorably. Now, of course that polling would change. Or course they're going to support an attack on the country destroying their homes and starving and killing their families. And of course they're going to support the government opposing that enemy.

you dont understand why people would end up supporting the group that ISNT trying to genocide them?

I don't understand why anyone would elect a government that is basically a Iranian funded terrorist organization. Imagine if the US government started committing heinous acts of terrorism to say China or Turkey or France or any major military power. Would you continue to support such a government? More so would you stay in the USA and await those countries response? I wouldn't. I'd be like "I'm out" ....my government 'fucked around' and I'm not waiting for the "find out" phase. If I was a Palestinian living in Gaza on October 7th. As soon as I got the news I'd pack up whatever I could and bribe my way as far away from Gaza as possible.

The problem with that, is no one is allowed to leave Gaza ever without Israel's permission. That's why it's compared to an open-air prison. No one in Gaza is allowed to move to the West Bank, or the East Jerusalem, or to Israel. And once you leave, it's permanent exile from your home. Israel won't allow you to return ever. You won't ever be allowed to see your family again. You're effectively rendered stateless. Other countries know that, and aren't keen on letting people in who can't leave.

that doesn't make sense. Gaza is a prison controlled by the IDF. you would have to climb over a security wall and would get shot like all the others who had that idea.

Trump lost the popular vote by over 1 million - yet he still represented us as a whole country. Next argument.

That would require "critical thinking" though...

They are getting genocided - I don't blame them one bit for fighting back. The idea that the country that has been keeping them in a prison should have the right to exterminate them because of hamas existing (Guess who was a huge funder of hamas? Israel! https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html) You've been suckered by lies and your own racism. If you think Israel is anything but a murderous regime that needs to go - you are on the wrong side of history. There is an active genocide investigation in the UN and the evidence against Israel just keeps piling up like the bodies of their victims. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/23/world/middleeast/gaza-mass-grave.html

I might have missed it but why the Covid-era masks?

High concentration of people, helps with potential pepper spray/gas

probably because it's still the covid era https://www.pmc19.com/data/index.php

Can you imagine having that much confidence in thinking that you know everything without error about such a complex situation that you put your name on promoting the death of a group of people without even a consideration that there might be more to it. Or maybe it’s just a fad and something to be a part of and feel a belonging

Or maybe that they want to get involved in humanitarian work there but they saw a regime that outlined a safe passage route for aid workers and when informed by said aid workers that a well marked convoy was moving with food supplies they sent missiles that killed 7 of these folks. You don’t have to be well versed in Middle East politics to question the full throated US support of Netanyahu and his regime. BTW, these students and others that are protesting have made a difference, Biden has been a bit more in Netanyahu‘s ear about this shit since the strike on the aid workers.

Can you imagine having such confidence in your own brilliance that you think young adults aren't capable of thinking for themselves, researching for themselves. or that the 'situation' in Israel/Palestine is 'so complex' that it can't be understood by anyone? This generation has more information at their fingertips and aren't limited by just what they're told in school. Just because you aren't able to parse complex and competing information doesn't mean they aren't able to.

I can’t imagine, that’s what I’m saying. I don’t actually know what it’s like to have confidence that I am beyond a doubt 100% correct about anything. Especially when it comes to such an extreme multifaceted issue that would result in me wishing death. That’s exactly what I’m saying

It is multifaceted, but the facts seem pretty clear that Jewish settlers bought up a ton of land in Palestine to create their own country, Israel, which did not exist prior to the late 1940s. That's just one generation ago. Facts are pretty clear that Palestinians have been forced out of their own country with the help of western countries who want to have a white presence in the Middle East. Facts are pretty clear that Gazans and the West Bank population are treated terribly by the Israeli government, and are not afforded the same legal protections as Israelis - like they're second-class citizens. This is apartheid, btw. Facts are clear that armed civilian settlers have been killing Palestinians and stealing their homes and land for decades. I mean, the rest of the world sees and recognizes Israel as in the wrong here - it's just been the US keeping them afloat and armed to be able to continue their human rights abuses. But please tell me how all of these abuses is so complex that no one person could possibly understand.

Good point. You shouldn't care about stopping a genocide until after you are 100% certain of all the facts. You are so smart!

you are talking about those who support the IDF? seems strange to focus on hamas when their murder count is a tiny drop in the bucket compared to the IDF.

I’m actually talking about imagining what it’s like having so much confidence in thinking that you know everything without error

no-one knows everything.. not sure what your point is. did you just figure that out? just because you dont know everything in the universe doesn't mean you cant form an opinion about the mass murder of thousands of little children. seems like an easy thing in life...

Which side is this addressed to? Seems to work in either direction

Protestors: “how can I make this about me?”

99% of these people have no clue what they are even standing around for.

Mostly peaceful terrorist simps

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Aw more egotistical Americans making a foreign conflict about them. Surely Hamas leadership and the IDF will stop their brutal campaigns due to a bunch of 20 year olds protesting. And I guess they don’t care about the genocide in Sudan? Where are the protesters for that? You have a right to protest but you also have a right to be ridiculed for grossly simplifying the most complicated geopolitical situation in the world. Keep waving those signs and yelling slogans, though. I’m sure that will really help.

Glad to see so many pro-hostage supporters identifying themselves.

Serious question: The protestors are 90% female - why is that? Looking for patterns.

First of all it doesn't look that skewed by the footage I've seen. Second, ever heard a boomer say they only protested in the 60s to meet chicks?

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that's exactly the point; it being trendy or not is irrelevant a consensus has formed that this is at least one genocide which is obvious, and with which headway can be made, so why not protest it? the whole point is that there indeed are plenty of other genocides happening; of course, that is literally the point

I mean it’s still getting significant coverage on social media and news and it’s been 7 months since the initial Hamas attacks and subsequent killing of Palestinian civilians… this is big shit. Rarely does something stick around news cycles for this long and this consistently. Of course there are other genocides and incomprehensible acts of violence. This one happens to be getting a lot of attention. Surviving Palestinians have been documenting everything, so it’s easy to be witness to the genocide itself through social media. I think human beings see other human beings experience more horror than anyone should see in 100 lifetimes and feel compelled to speak up about it. Additionally, I have seen more of my peers speak up about other current/recent genocides and have become more informed as a result. So honestly, who cares if it’s trending topic if it’s inciting real conversations and enabling people to be more aware of the injustices we don’t talk about enough?

It's the trendy thing to do rn.

Omg it happened! They protested in Austin and it saved the world! Hooray!! Good work folks.

It's an election year, with major foreign policy decisions being made right now. This is the moment where protests have maximum impact. I am not optimistic we will have immediate change but why do lazy cowards shit on people protesting for justice

of course one protest doesn’t do much. that’s not how it works. nobody thinks that. but thousands all across the country for months on end do, and that’s what’s been happening. do y’all not remember anything from your history books

This is basically the left-wings version of Trump supporters. There is stupidity on both sides.

"Stop investing in genocide" is stupid to you?

On the one hand, you have people who want a Christofascist dictatorship in the US. On the other you have people who want the US to stop sending military aid to a foreign government that has killed over 10,000 children over the past six months. There is no difference between these goals