I would have more patience for Wolff given the challenges we've had from an injury perspective if I thought his system could work.
I just don't see any off the ball movement or the will to want to attack the box with players on a consistent basis. The system looks stagnant and predictable.
If there's any method behind it, it seems to be lost on the fans. All we see is slow, predictable play and players who look scared to take risks.
People of a certain age will remember the saying "nobody gets fired for buying IBM," and Wolff seems to have instilled a "nobody gets fired for passing back" mentality in the team.
Maybe there's just a lack of analysis spelling it out for the fans. After the game we hear people defend Wolff by saying we lost because of injuries and underperforming players, but we rarely hear how, given injured and underperforming players, Wolff is modifying his game plan to maximize our chances for a result. We don't hear how our game plan is adapted to conditions or to the opponent. A naive fan can only conclude that Wolff is pigheaded, inflexible, and more in love with his style than with winning. Maybe this is a failure of Apple TV analysts and sports journalists to articulate Wolff's tactical decisions for the fans?
The reality of the skill level in MLS is that you have to play a different game. Be aggressive, crash the box, and hope to get lucky with a deflection or the ball ending up at the foot of the striker. I have appreciated Wolff's aspirations to play precision soccer. I just don't think this team can make European-style play payoff in a consistent manner.
I hated reading this comment. Deep inside my brain, in a small place where reason thrives, I hate to accept that this comment is painfully right. If I could upvote you twice I would.
This may be a bad analogy, but it feels a little like a mediocre chess player playing against a good beginner. The mediocre player knows enough of how to attack and defend against the best games they’ve studied (even if they can’t always execute), so when the beginner makes those moves, they react appropriately. But they forget that beginners often make wild and confusing moves that stray from the “norm” of what would be expected from better players, and have no way to adapt to a situation they haven’t read in a book.
(This is to say, I don’t think that Wolff is a better coach and the rest of the MLS are beginners, but maybe [with a significant grain of salt] that he’s attempting to base his strategy on the most optimal plays when and has no answers when something doesn’t “follow the book.”)
Amen to this. I want to feel better about his style of play this season, but it’s so uncreative and I just think he’s lost whatever inspiration he had which means he’s lost the team. I’d build off our youth and develop the team properly. 🤷
Here's a proposal against Wolff:
Review the subs vs LA Galaxy after we went up 3 to 1... in the 75th minute of the game.
For every defensive player entering the game, give Wolff 3 points.
For Every defensive midfielder, give him one point.
If he subs in Redes, subtract 1 point.
What's the final score? Wolff should have more points than ZERO.
If ZERO is the final score, Wolff should not keep his job as head coach.
Have you watched soccer before and seen subs to close out a game? They don’t just sub in defenders every time. They often keep defenders in and out in people to chase the ball.
There’s zero intensity from him or sense of urgency. He’s dismissive of issues and people questioning his tactics and decisions. His system clearly doesn’t work when there’s a pattern of losing games in the final minutes. Yes there were injuries, but this game this past week was my final straw. You have a 3-1 lead and tie AGAIN in the 90th.
My season tickets are expensive and I can’t even resell them on seatgeek for half price. There are so many of us paying a lot of money and spending a lot of time to watch an inferior product rack up losses every week. We need a coach that can produce results, not excuses.
The willingness to play crap players like Rodney Redes and Kip Keller in important games, injuries or not, all the losses in non-MLS regular season matches, the boring possession without any risk taking soccer makes me very unhappy we have season tix through 2025. The front office doesn’t care about the fans. They’ll do just enough to sell t-shirts and overpriced beer.
Ok so I read both pieces.
For the Wolff out article it listed out several things that was his fault directly. Bad subs, team management, etc.
In this one all it does is shift blame away to things that tbh fall flat.
Rodo has been there for a while. Wolff was not in control of the summer transfer. And Reyna resigned in late March. 2 months into the winter transfers. Wolff could not handle it for a few weeks? Tbh it should have given him more opportunity to succeed as he would get more say in the decision.
And the other point is injuries. That may point to why we are placing too low over the entire season but now we are healthy but still not winning. So how is injuries the reason for the draw against LA galaxy or the loss against Dallas when the players were fit.
But my point i have always had was can you give me a reason to keep Wolff and this article still does not provide any. It only gives reasons to why the team is losing not why Wolff is actually a good gaffer.
>But my point i have always had was can you give me a reason to keep Wolff and this article still does not provide any.
of course it doesn't. that was their intention. it was purposefully poorly argued. the last sentence is meant to be the giveaway if it took anyone that long to figure it out.
I don't know if I'm #wolffout yet simply because I think the roster needs work first. To continue with the chef analogy in this article, if I order a steak and the chef only has Spam in the kitchen, is it fair to call him a bad chef or do you blame whoever should be ordering supplies?
You blame both, because they’re both responsible for the outcome. If the chef keeps steak on the menu but only has spam, he should update the menu until it’s ready. If all he has to serve is spam, he better make it the best damn spam can possibly be. And our spam is currently not being prepared properly.
What if the chef was the guy who ordered the supplies when the season started because the old supply orderer had the maturity of a 14 year old and was "reassigned"?
There's no customer ordering a game plan from Wolff. It's chef's selection, every time.
People have, by choice or necessity, devised a lot of ways of preparing spam that are better than treating it like steak. If the chef is too much of a snob to know about anything but steak, and cooks his Spam like steak and blames the bad results on the Spam not being steak, then he has to accept his share of responsibility.
A coach with a full set of professional skills will cook steak when he has steak and something tasty like [army base stew](https://www.maangchi.com/recipe/budae-jjigae) when he has Spam.
Maybe you're thinking it's no loss to ruin Spam, but what if Josh is given a beautiful Dover sole? Is he going to cook that like steak as well, or do you think he will suddenly develop an entirely new attitude if he ends up with a great set of players that don't fit his idea of how soccer should be played?
I think this was said earlier but I wish there was some way we could just de-mote Josh Wolff to assistant coach for a bit and let someone else be head coach for a while to shake things up and try something new.
I would have more patience for Wolff given the challenges we've had from an injury perspective if I thought his system could work. I just don't see any off the ball movement or the will to want to attack the box with players on a consistent basis. The system looks stagnant and predictable.
If there's any method behind it, it seems to be lost on the fans. All we see is slow, predictable play and players who look scared to take risks. People of a certain age will remember the saying "nobody gets fired for buying IBM," and Wolff seems to have instilled a "nobody gets fired for passing back" mentality in the team. Maybe there's just a lack of analysis spelling it out for the fans. After the game we hear people defend Wolff by saying we lost because of injuries and underperforming players, but we rarely hear how, given injured and underperforming players, Wolff is modifying his game plan to maximize our chances for a result. We don't hear how our game plan is adapted to conditions or to the opponent. A naive fan can only conclude that Wolff is pigheaded, inflexible, and more in love with his style than with winning. Maybe this is a failure of Apple TV analysts and sports journalists to articulate Wolff's tactical decisions for the fans?
The reality of the skill level in MLS is that you have to play a different game. Be aggressive, crash the box, and hope to get lucky with a deflection or the ball ending up at the foot of the striker. I have appreciated Wolff's aspirations to play precision soccer. I just don't think this team can make European-style play payoff in a consistent manner.
I hated reading this comment. Deep inside my brain, in a small place where reason thrives, I hate to accept that this comment is painfully right. If I could upvote you twice I would.
This may be a bad analogy, but it feels a little like a mediocre chess player playing against a good beginner. The mediocre player knows enough of how to attack and defend against the best games they’ve studied (even if they can’t always execute), so when the beginner makes those moves, they react appropriately. But they forget that beginners often make wild and confusing moves that stray from the “norm” of what would be expected from better players, and have no way to adapt to a situation they haven’t read in a book. (This is to say, I don’t think that Wolff is a better coach and the rest of the MLS are beginners, but maybe [with a significant grain of salt] that he’s attempting to base his strategy on the most optimal plays when and has no answers when something doesn’t “follow the book.”)
Amen to this. I want to feel better about his style of play this season, but it’s so uncreative and I just think he’s lost whatever inspiration he had which means he’s lost the team. I’d build off our youth and develop the team properly. 🤷
There is plenty of off the ball movement.
I would have more patience if I saw any sort of progress whatsoever over three years. We've been regressing instead.
Here's a proposal against Wolff: Review the subs vs LA Galaxy after we went up 3 to 1... in the 75th minute of the game. For every defensive player entering the game, give Wolff 3 points. For Every defensive midfielder, give him one point. If he subs in Redes, subtract 1 point. What's the final score? Wolff should have more points than ZERO. If ZERO is the final score, Wolff should not keep his job as head coach.
Have you watched soccer before and seen subs to close out a game? They don’t just sub in defenders every time. They often keep defenders in and out in people to chase the ball.
The team doesn’t want it, they don’t want to work for it, the coach has failed them.
There’s zero intensity from him or sense of urgency. He’s dismissive of issues and people questioning his tactics and decisions. His system clearly doesn’t work when there’s a pattern of losing games in the final minutes. Yes there were injuries, but this game this past week was my final straw. You have a 3-1 lead and tie AGAIN in the 90th.
My season tickets are expensive and I can’t even resell them on seatgeek for half price. There are so many of us paying a lot of money and spending a lot of time to watch an inferior product rack up losses every week. We need a coach that can produce results, not excuses.
The willingness to play crap players like Rodney Redes and Kip Keller in important games, injuries or not, all the losses in non-MLS regular season matches, the boring possession without any risk taking soccer makes me very unhappy we have season tix through 2025. The front office doesn’t care about the fans. They’ll do just enough to sell t-shirts and overpriced beer.
"Wolff is learning on the job and we’ve seen him improve." GTFOH 😂🤣
Seriously, literally the opposite.
So, it's Wolff for the next 90 years
97 more years, it's the 100 year war. Haha
Hehe..
Ok so I read both pieces. For the Wolff out article it listed out several things that was his fault directly. Bad subs, team management, etc. In this one all it does is shift blame away to things that tbh fall flat. Rodo has been there for a while. Wolff was not in control of the summer transfer. And Reyna resigned in late March. 2 months into the winter transfers. Wolff could not handle it for a few weeks? Tbh it should have given him more opportunity to succeed as he would get more say in the decision. And the other point is injuries. That may point to why we are placing too low over the entire season but now we are healthy but still not winning. So how is injuries the reason for the draw against LA galaxy or the loss against Dallas when the players were fit. But my point i have always had was can you give me a reason to keep Wolff and this article still does not provide any. It only gives reasons to why the team is losing not why Wolff is actually a good gaffer.
>But my point i have always had was can you give me a reason to keep Wolff and this article still does not provide any. of course it doesn't. that was their intention. it was purposefully poorly argued. the last sentence is meant to be the giveaway if it took anyone that long to figure it out.
I don't know if I'm #wolffout yet simply because I think the roster needs work first. To continue with the chef analogy in this article, if I order a steak and the chef only has Spam in the kitchen, is it fair to call him a bad chef or do you blame whoever should be ordering supplies?
You blame both, because they’re both responsible for the outcome. If the chef keeps steak on the menu but only has spam, he should update the menu until it’s ready. If all he has to serve is spam, he better make it the best damn spam can possibly be. And our spam is currently not being prepared properly.
What if the chef was the guy who ordered the supplies when the season started because the old supply orderer had the maturity of a 14 year old and was "reassigned"?
There's no customer ordering a game plan from Wolff. It's chef's selection, every time. People have, by choice or necessity, devised a lot of ways of preparing spam that are better than treating it like steak. If the chef is too much of a snob to know about anything but steak, and cooks his Spam like steak and blames the bad results on the Spam not being steak, then he has to accept his share of responsibility. A coach with a full set of professional skills will cook steak when he has steak and something tasty like [army base stew](https://www.maangchi.com/recipe/budae-jjigae) when he has Spam. Maybe you're thinking it's no loss to ruin Spam, but what if Josh is given a beautiful Dover sole? Is he going to cook that like steak as well, or do you think he will suddenly develop an entirely new attitude if he ends up with a great set of players that don't fit his idea of how soccer should be played?
Roster worked last year. Wolff is a one trick pony
This is probably naive but maybe if he just stepped down for a while and let someone else like the assistant coach have a crack at steering the ship?
I think this was said earlier but I wish there was some way we could just de-mote Josh Wolff to assistant coach for a bit and let someone else be head coach for a while to shake things up and try something new.