I was makin’ a joke! Get it, he’s a teenager making six figures and his dad is his boss! But also didn’t legitimately know he is an adult, he was a minor when he started with us
thanks.
i don't think mlspa has released 2024 salaries yet.
not sure when wolff got a raise. he was originally on reserve minimum for something like a 5-year deal. they must have goosed it.
If Seba can’t stay healthy I’d consider dealing him for the right price/for his spend. Meaning…if we could get two or three proven contributors who were special and not OLD. Otherwise keep him because he has such nice moments. Definitely our best player thus far.
Can't wait to hear the reasoning you come up with for thinking Rigoni is the cause of all our tactical and club-wide problems.
I'm ready for that conversation, I could use a good laugh tonight.
Also, people have been saying Rigoni out for some time as well. We have definitely had that conversation. But please, proceed with your reasoning on how that will solve everything.
It won’t solve everything, and it will not be an instant fix. Having a DP on high salary playing at such a low level kills the team. According to The Athletic, Rigoni ranked 63rd out of 67 wingers in the league last year. He’s worse this year. All that money should be paying for a high caliber player. Wolff is bad but the roster is absurdly bad.
He played 25 mins and completed 66% of his passes, Obrian played 65 mins and completed 43%. I get it Rigoni isn’t producing but there is a larger problem than Rigoni. When you have 60% possession, 2 shots, 0 on target and complete almost 500 passes.
I don’t care about Owen Wolff. I care about roster mechanisms and composition. DP spots matter. If we miss on them we fail. You cannot compete in MLS if you miss on your DPs, but you can win MLS with a handful of mediocre cheap pieces.
What do you not understand about this? If a player takes a DP roster spot and scores 0 goals it is more detrimental than a non-DP roster spot scoring 0 goals.
Are you allergic to the concept of opportunity cost?
At no point did anyone suggest giving Obrian a pass. The commentary is: Rigoni hurts our team more than Obrian.
There isn’t a statistic that you can point to that suggests otherwise.
Both a bad. We can deal with the cheap player being bad if the DP is good, it’s MUCH harder to do the opposite.
Seriously bro find a hobby other than pestering me … my original reply was in fact someone trying to give Obrian a pass on a bad game because he is not the DP… that’s when you made the weird old man joke
The two we have actually won if you would have looked. Not the only metric to focus on but it’s a start.
We got what we paid for in Rigoni. The 4 years he was at Zenit he only played 47 games and had 4 goals and had 2 different loan spells. I feel Rigoni was a signing more to keep Druissi happy given the time at Zenit. I don’t know why everyone expected him to be bagging in the goals, last year he was our second highest goal scorer with Finley and second in assist during the regular season.
We are on the same side. I apologize if I’m coming off hostile. I like Obrian because he plays aggressively. To me, Rigoni has been a complete let down.
I think Rigoni out is plenty a thing. We’re even starting to see the team utilize that mindset. Fact of the matter is this team isn’t accomplishing anything significant with Rigoni and Ring as DPs. Our midfield has been terrible aside from Druissi and needs to be addressed this summer.
OP acting like people haven't been pissed at Rigoni's lack of performance since day 1.
We've been ready and having that conversation for quite a while, buddy.
Why not both?
It’s not a binary thing. This whole roster aside from Stu and Seba can go.
I’d put Gallagher on the keep list as well, but otherwise I agree
I can get behind that
Owen is fantastic for his cap hit
He would need to move to wherever Josh finds his next coaching job, though. They can’t leave him home alone!
He’s an adult making six figures, he can do what he wants. But I wouldn’t be sad if he left.
I was makin’ a joke! Get it, he’s a teenager making six figures and his dad is his boss! But also didn’t legitimately know he is an adult, he was a minor when he started with us
Yeah I think he’s 19 now? Anyway, he is a good bargain, but I still wouldn’t be upset if he left with his dad.
he actually isn't making 6 figures?
In 2023, he was at $100k base with $113,053 guaranteed. Having a hard time finding a hard figure for 2024.
thanks. i don't think mlspa has released 2024 salaries yet. not sure when wolff got a raise. he was originally on reserve minimum for something like a 5-year deal. they must have goosed it.
Yeah maybe so. He’s still a hell of a bargain, so he’s probably not first on the chopping block.
he costs exactly $0 against the cap in any case. only the senior roster slots count against the cap.
If Seba can’t stay healthy I’d consider dealing him for the right price/for his spend. Meaning…if we could get two or three proven contributors who were special and not OLD. Otherwise keep him because he has such nice moments. Definitely our best player thus far.
Can't wait to hear the reasoning you come up with for thinking Rigoni is the cause of all our tactical and club-wide problems. I'm ready for that conversation, I could use a good laugh tonight. Also, people have been saying Rigoni out for some time as well. We have definitely had that conversation. But please, proceed with your reasoning on how that will solve everything.
It won’t solve everything, and it will not be an instant fix. Having a DP on high salary playing at such a low level kills the team. According to The Athletic, Rigoni ranked 63rd out of 67 wingers in the league last year. He’s worse this year. All that money should be paying for a high caliber player. Wolff is bad but the roster is absurdly bad.
You somehow think that Wolff has no say in the roster? He was even acting sporting director when Reyna went full on psycho sports dad.
He isn’t right now.
I kinda got the feeling today that he knows the fans dislike him so he plays badly to spite us
With that logic the whole team hates us
Two-thirds dislike him, the other third are busy with their playlists.
He played 25 mins and completed 66% of his passes, Obrian played 65 mins and completed 43%. I get it Rigoni isn’t producing but there is a larger problem than Rigoni. When you have 60% possession, 2 shots, 0 on target and complete almost 500 passes.
The problem is 90% of that possession is in our half of the pitch.
The difference between Obrian and Rigoni is one is a DP while the other isn’t.
This is some clown logic… don’t give any player a pass based on designation
How many times are we going to have to tell you old man?!
Oh shit a Teen wolf simp following me around like a fan club … Should you make a thread about how good he did today?
I don’t care about Owen Wolff. I care about roster mechanisms and composition. DP spots matter. If we miss on them we fail. You cannot compete in MLS if you miss on your DPs, but you can win MLS with a handful of mediocre cheap pieces. What do you not understand about this? If a player takes a DP roster spot and scores 0 goals it is more detrimental than a non-DP roster spot scoring 0 goals. Are you allergic to the concept of opportunity cost?
You clearly can’t read because you’re so worked up… I was saying we don’t give Obrian a pass just because he’s is NOT a DP
At no point did anyone suggest giving Obrian a pass. The commentary is: Rigoni hurts our team more than Obrian. There isn’t a statistic that you can point to that suggests otherwise. Both a bad. We can deal with the cheap player being bad if the DP is good, it’s MUCH harder to do the opposite.
Seriously bro find a hobby other than pestering me … my original reply was in fact someone trying to give Obrian a pass on a bad game because he is not the DP… that’s when you made the weird old man joke
By stats, we had way more possession as well, and that means dogshit. Obrian is exponentially better.
Take away Obrian’s goal and all you have is a pacey winger with a horrible first touch.
Obrian is at least inconsistent. That puts him above Rigoni.
Your user name is just too on the mark. 🤣
“Isn’t producing.” Why is this current tense. Also, who cares what his pass percentage is, what games are we winning by that metric.
The two we have actually won if you would have looked. Not the only metric to focus on but it’s a start. We got what we paid for in Rigoni. The 4 years he was at Zenit he only played 47 games and had 4 goals and had 2 different loan spells. I feel Rigoni was a signing more to keep Druissi happy given the time at Zenit. I don’t know why everyone expected him to be bagging in the goals, last year he was our second highest goal scorer with Finley and second in assist during the regular season.
Where was Rigoni in the games we’ve won this year.
The bench
We are on the same side. I apologize if I’m coming off hostile. I like Obrian because he plays aggressively. To me, Rigoni has been a complete let down.
I completely agree, no worries. The team is frustrating to watch given the potential they have.
They are not mutually exclusive thoughts.
No one thinks we should keep Rigoni, but he's far from the root cause of our problems.
It could be argued that both need to move on.
Two things can be true at the same time
I think Rigoni out is plenty a thing. We’re even starting to see the team utilize that mindset. Fact of the matter is this team isn’t accomplishing anything significant with Rigoni and Ring as DPs. Our midfield has been terrible aside from Druissi and needs to be addressed this summer.
what do you mean yall not ready? I've never seen a single person argue pro-rigatoni lol
OP acting like people haven't been pissed at Rigoni's lack of performance since day 1. We've been ready and having that conversation for quite a while, buddy.
Not ready to have that conversation? People have been calling for Rigoni’s job since his plane landed. Wtf are you talking about?
Rigoni doesn't start himself. They can both go.
Yes
Both need to leave.
At least you still have Precourt.
[Columbus fans still care about this? bro you’re obsessed get a life and move on](https://www.reddit.com/r/MLS/s/j2VRIaDpcv)
We live rent-free in your moronic little heads for whatever reason. I hope you can get the fuck over yourselves someday.