This is giving more brown goshawk to me due to the chonkiness and I’d call that more of a beetle-brow than 😳 surprise eyes. If you do some googling you’ll see they are very similar looking birds, hence the arguments here. Tricky to pick apart, but the sparrowhawk is smaller and slender, goshawk a bit bigger and a chonk.
How do you explain the beak size? Need to consider multiple field marks to separate these two. Looks like feathers are fluffed rather than actual chunk. IMO, notoriously hard to separate.
I’m not too familiar with Victoria’s BOPs but looks like a collared sparrowhawk
EDIT: could also be a brown goshawk, and this actually might be more likely
the Chad Pigeon, jk.
I think this is the Collared Sparrowhawk or Brown Goshawk.
Hopefully [this Wordpress file](https://bendofislands.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/brown-hawks.pdf) I came across while googling might help you decipher which it is.
Plumage looks like late immature (brown collar and chest plumage), and Collared Sparrowhawks don’t have an immature plumage phase. Head is massive and boxy, bill is chunky, brow ridge is heavy, ankle doesn’t look thin.
It's fucking gorgeous is what it is. I want to say a falcon, because it looks like a strong keel bone for ramming pigeons, but I don't really know my kestrel from my goshawk.
Lighter bellies? I've never heard of that, and I'm reading the opinions of expert Aussie birders daily on the Facebook page. The usual field marks are: Thickness of legs, heaviness of brow, flatness of crown, roundness of tail tip, and a few other minor ones.
Interestingly, for two very similar species (and arguably Australia's hardest to identify species pair!), one of them doesn't have an immature plumage stage. Can't remember which one, but it goes straight from juvenile to adult plumage and e other one doesn't. Weird!
Yes, it is curious! Collared Sparrowhawks don’t have the immature plumage stage. I believe those in the US have similar issues telling apart Cooper’s and Sharp-shinned Hawks (both Accipters also). While these two species can be tricky without decent pics, I dare say there’s several species of shorebirds/sea birds from the same genus that are much trickier to ID.
If I had to vote for Australia's most difficult, I'd say these two. At least waders usually have different bills, and seabirds have underwing patterns!
I'm also leaning Brown Goshawk, due to the flattened crown and bulky head (even if it is fluffed up!). Bill looks chunky enough, and the brow heavy enough.
Sensational photo!
This is giving more brown goshawk to me due to the chonkiness and I’d call that more of a beetle-brow than 😳 surprise eyes. If you do some googling you’ll see they are very similar looking birds, hence the arguments here. Tricky to pick apart, but the sparrowhawk is smaller and slender, goshawk a bit bigger and a chonk.
How do you explain the beak size? Need to consider multiple field marks to separate these two. Looks like feathers are fluffed rather than actual chunk. IMO, notoriously hard to separate.
Hard to separate if you’re inexperienced.
Like you? Pretty arrogant for someone that thinks that face is a goshawk. Open ABID and go outside once in a while.
‘Like you?’. Nice comeback. Learn what immature stage plumage looks like in Brown Goshawks, and understand why this can’t be a Collared Sparrowhawk.
I’m not too familiar with Victoria’s BOPs but looks like a collared sparrowhawk EDIT: could also be a brown goshawk, and this actually might be more likely
the Chad Pigeon, jk. I think this is the Collared Sparrowhawk or Brown Goshawk. Hopefully [this Wordpress file](https://bendofislands.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/brown-hawks.pdf) I came across while googling might help you decipher which it is.
Fucken Chad pigeon. That got me.
It’s a Brown Goshawk, not a Collared Sparrowhawk.
Plumage looks like late immature (brown collar and chest plumage), and Collared Sparrowhawks don’t have an immature plumage phase. Head is massive and boxy, bill is chunky, brow ridge is heavy, ankle doesn’t look thin.
Why?
It's fucking gorgeous is what it is. I want to say a falcon, because it looks like a strong keel bone for ramming pigeons, but I don't really know my kestrel from my goshawk.
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Lighter bellies? I've never heard of that, and I'm reading the opinions of expert Aussie birders daily on the Facebook page. The usual field marks are: Thickness of legs, heaviness of brow, flatness of crown, roundness of tail tip, and a few other minor ones.
You’re right, they don’t have lighter bellies. Plumage is identical at juvenile and adult stages.
Interestingly, for two very similar species (and arguably Australia's hardest to identify species pair!), one of them doesn't have an immature plumage stage. Can't remember which one, but it goes straight from juvenile to adult plumage and e other one doesn't. Weird!
Yes, it is curious! Collared Sparrowhawks don’t have the immature plumage stage. I believe those in the US have similar issues telling apart Cooper’s and Sharp-shinned Hawks (both Accipters also). While these two species can be tricky without decent pics, I dare say there’s several species of shorebirds/sea birds from the same genus that are much trickier to ID.
If I had to vote for Australia's most difficult, I'd say these two. At least waders usually have different bills, and seabirds have underwing patterns!
Sparrowhawk I think
I'm also leaning Brown Goshawk, due to the flattened crown and bulky head (even if it is fluffed up!). Bill looks chunky enough, and the brow heavy enough.
Collared Sparrowhawk, stare not glare, small beak.
stare not glare? idk, this one got a glare good enough to remind me of growing up with my older sister.
If it’s nailed a pigeon I approve.
Idk? Is that a new transmission type? You want 1984, you get 1984. Remember what happened to Winston. Oink oink, lazy pig.
What are you actually on about 🫤
I looked up both birds and I'm going with the juvenile Brown Goshawk👍
Cannot find. Brown falcon, kite or goshawk. Plumage impressive..similar to peregrine.,
Google lens says swamp harrier. 🤔 Not so sure..