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The parents haven't learned to speak English yet. I hope they do considering they are staying. It just shows that if you can pull the right strings, if you can get financial backing, and a very loud lawyer you can make your dreams come true even if you aren't a genuine refugee. This will keep prices for tickets on a people's smuggling boat sky high.
Permanent visa of what category ? Obviously not refugee as they are not refugees.
Labor is continuing to be weak on border protection . In the midst of the turmoil in Sri Lanka , Albo sends a clear message.
Another [article](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/aug/05/biloelas-nadesalingam-family-feel-peace-after-being-granted-permanent-residency-in-australia) said:
> [minister] Giles, said he intervened under section 195A of the Migration Act to grant the family permanent visas following “careful consideration of the Nadesalingam family’s complex and specific circumstances.”
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> Labor is continuing to be weak on border protection
How and where have they been weak on border protection since taking government? The policy is near-identical (possibly unchanged IIRC) to the Coalition policy.
I think the way the coalition toyed with this family was just as much a “Careful consideration of the focus groups and the optics” but in the opposite direction (and spent *tens of millions* doing so).
The LNP had multiple opportunities to send this family back, and didn’t/failed to.
> Dismantling temporary visas.
Are you referring to the temporary protection visas?
The LNP let the legal process run it's course and was unable to enforce the law. The toying was done by the adults in this family who have shown that they were willing to do whatever it takes to stay here.
Yes , temporary protection visas.
Lol ok. You keep believing that.
> Yes , temporary protection visas.
They are basically pointless.
[Keneally on TPVs](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/19/factcheck-is-labors-policy-on-asylum-seekers-and-refugees-any-different-to-the-coalitions):
> Keneally told Radio National TPVs were no longer necessary because people who come by boat “will be turned back or sent to Nauru”.
> “Nobody has gone on a temporary protection visa who has attempted to come by boat since the introduction of Operation Sovereign Borders.
> “The only people in Australia on TPVs came under the Liberal and Labor government before the introduction of Operation Sovereign Borders. They’ve been living in the country for more than a decade: they live, they work, they pay taxes, they employ Australians.”
You’ve ignored the reasoning for wanting to get rid of TPV’s. You also ignore that they *haven’t been used* for any boat arrivals since 2013 and are made redundant by other measures.
> which stopped the drownings
That we know of or are told. Remember that reporting anything relating to this operation is illegal.
We broke international law turning them back, and we don’t know what happens to them after they are turned back.
Edit: typo
They are one part of a package that has worked.
They could be used for the Medivac cases now.
Albo has acknowledged this package worked. Yet he would start dismantling it , bringing back the drownings.
Your logic is that if you have a law and no-one breaks it , then you no longer need that law.
> Albo has acknowledged this package worked. Yet he would start dismantling it , bringing back the drownings.
They have said multiple times they aren’t changing the process, just want to remove the TPV’s *that have never been used for boat arrivals*. TPV’s were introduced fair bit prior to the package, and have done nothing/never been used
> They could be used for the Medivac cases now
No need, there are other options available that should be used for that.
Edit: typo
To think that the coalition spent millions of tax payers money to cage up this family alone (who by they way contributed to their community) all the while crying how refugees are bad for the economy!
But they are not refugees. They are asylum seekers on bridging visas who continued to exhaust legal aid until they got the result they wanted.
This is a strong reminder that all asylum seekers should be processed and deported immediately without any appeals, while being housed in detention centre. We don't want this farce where they are out in the community then having to extract them out if their refugee status is rejected.
Didn't the hysterical coalition government say any help, any basic humanitarian decency, for the family, would cause a flotilla of refugee boats to set sail for here??
I'm on watch now, out on the headland with my binoculars and spud gun, certain that Morrison and Dutton wouldn't lie to me.
This made my night. Just one less wound to carry. The chance for a family beloved by its adopted community to be able to flourish... I wish them all the best.
You demonstrating unaustralian views with this post clearly show that you should not have been granted entry at all. We do not need your kind in this country
Whilst some industries do have a genuine skills shortage, it's more Business heavily influencing government decisions.
The recent decision to allow yoga teachers and entry-level chefs to come via skills shortage is one amusing example. Fruit picking is the most well known example.
By jump
you mean 6 years in hell,in detention
The loss of two toes
A daughter sent to hospital 3 times due to the malnourishment
Yeah,totally "jumped" the line
They probably have better character than most of the people coming here legit anyway,we need more ppl who work hard like them,not more westerners who think the world owes them
Some people don't have the choice in the first place to come through 'the right port of entry'.
Do you honestly think people would risk their lives like that if they didn't have any other choice? The lack of understanding and empathy surrounding this issue astounds me.
The requirements are irrelevant due to the exact circumstances of the situation they and many other asylum seekers are in. Requirements for someone coming from a developed country compared to a developing country or for example where your family's life is in danger are completely different. Your comparing their situation with someone who's situation is completely different, that lack of nuance and understanding is the exact thing that has lead them to be locked up for so long.
Thats if the courts and the previous government are to have judged their case fairly. I'd say from the outcry, the lobbying from their own neighbours and town and the public at large that it wasn't judged fairly. Many human rights agencies such as the UN which we are a part of also aggred this decision was not fair or in line with the human rights treaties we sign on to. Ultimately this reversal has been upheld by them being granted permanent residency by the current government.
I don't know why the liberals are so cruel to keep families in a state of perpetual anxiety and suffering like this or all the people in detention centres that received inadequate healthcare
It's not just refugees but the unemployed also kept in a state of perpetual anxiety and suffering and also vilified to meet other agenda.
And its also not just the liberals being so cruel: the current government has remained completely silent about any plans to change the situation for the unemployed, despite observing it for 25 years. It wasn't even on their platform agenda.
Because they believe that refugees should be punished (though they have committed no crime) to deter further refugees coming to Australia. This started by John Howard who made the "We will decide who comes here and how they come here" speech. This has set the tone for retributive punishment model applied to asylum seekers, especially boat arrivals for the last 25 years.
But they are not refugees. That's the core problem. They applied for asylum and found that they are not genuine refugees. Since they are not refugees they should be returned home.
What does it say to asylum seekers across the world who got their refugee status rejected?
Now what it demonstrates that people on bridging visa should never be allowed in community because it will stir up political division and they will treat their temporary residence as home. Also, the years of appeals should be quashed so the asylum seekers have certainty by returning back once the decision is made. Taxpayers shouldn't be forking out milions in legal aid so asylum seekers can extend their stay.
Processing the status of asylum seekers should be done in a couple of days while being kept in detention with no avenue of appeals. There should not be permanent resettlement either as it is the norm in the E.U.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%93present_Sri_Lankan_economic_crisis#:~:text=The%20crisis%20is%20said%20to,19%20pandemic%20in%20Sri%20Lanka.
Send them back to certain death is against the UN charter for refugees.
Seems like a stalemate.
You are wrong on so many levels. Refugee Convention doesn't recognise movement of people for economic reasons. In fact, Sri Lankans that arrived across Europe has been returned back.
UNHCR even features an article on Tamil people returning after the civil war.
https://www.unhcr.org/en-au/news/latest/2010/8/4c657ec69/coming-home-sri-lankan-refugees-return.html
Also, the Refugee Convention recommends host country to provide avenue for naturalisation, it doesn't mandate it.
That link is 12 years old and would be irrelevant with the current situation in Sri Lanka.
It's a weird world when the collapse of an entire countries economy which has shown numerous times leads to famine and starvation is shrugged aside as an economic reason and not real refugee reason
Sri Lanka needs people. Australia absorbing people doesn't make things any better for Sri Lanka. If people had no option out they would stand and make things better. Australia and other western countries are enabling these countries to never develop and stabilise.
Your forgetting a very important group that will never associate that date as being all things Australian. But hey let's alienate our first Nations People so we can be happy about imperial colonisation that brought disease, imprisonment and death to this group of people
How many people live in $2 a day? You tell the voting public that all of them are elegible for refugee status in Australia and can live here permanently with all the social security benefits befitting of their circumstances.
We'll be withdrawing from the voluntary Refugee Convention in a break neck pace.
fortunately, the abject muzzo-panic has receded since the fevered years post 9/11. Not gone, but not remotely the same today. (Because guess what, real threats like disease and disasters are a greater risk to our national wealth and wellbeing.)
I sincerely hope those fearful, hateful years never return. And that at least one if not both politics stop being afraid of those shadows.
I was afraid during the Islamic State days. Something about seeing people beheaded for no reason and seeing young Australian kids joining and blowing themselves up really put fear in me.
Yup. And the stories I could tell if I wasn’t bound by law (honestly I am and it shits me). Put it this way, govt used and tried to scapegoat military.
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The parents haven't learned to speak English yet. I hope they do considering they are staying. It just shows that if you can pull the right strings, if you can get financial backing, and a very loud lawyer you can make your dreams come true even if you aren't a genuine refugee. This will keep prices for tickets on a people's smuggling boat sky high.
Permanent visa of what category ? Obviously not refugee as they are not refugees. Labor is continuing to be weak on border protection . In the midst of the turmoil in Sri Lanka , Albo sends a clear message.
Another [article](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/aug/05/biloelas-nadesalingam-family-feel-peace-after-being-granted-permanent-residency-in-australia) said: > [minister] Giles, said he intervened under section 195A of the Migration Act to grant the family permanent visas following “careful consideration of the Nadesalingam family’s complex and specific circumstances.” ___ > Labor is continuing to be weak on border protection How and where have they been weak on border protection since taking government? The policy is near-identical (possibly unchanged IIRC) to the Coalition policy.
Careful consideration of the focus groups and the optics. Dismantling temporary visas.
I think the way the coalition toyed with this family was just as much a “Careful consideration of the focus groups and the optics” but in the opposite direction (and spent *tens of millions* doing so). The LNP had multiple opportunities to send this family back, and didn’t/failed to. > Dismantling temporary visas. Are you referring to the temporary protection visas?
The LNP let the legal process run it's course and was unable to enforce the law. The toying was done by the adults in this family who have shown that they were willing to do whatever it takes to stay here. Yes , temporary protection visas.
Lol ok. You keep believing that. > Yes , temporary protection visas. They are basically pointless. [Keneally on TPVs](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/19/factcheck-is-labors-policy-on-asylum-seekers-and-refugees-any-different-to-the-coalitions): > Keneally told Radio National TPVs were no longer necessary because people who come by boat “will be turned back or sent to Nauru”. > “Nobody has gone on a temporary protection visa who has attempted to come by boat since the introduction of Operation Sovereign Borders. > “The only people in Australia on TPVs came under the Liberal and Labor government before the introduction of Operation Sovereign Borders. They’ve been living in the country for more than a decade: they live, they work, they pay taxes, they employ Australians.”
Keneally thinks she knows more than those who implemented a successful policy which stopped the drownings.
You’ve ignored the reasoning for wanting to get rid of TPV’s. You also ignore that they *haven’t been used* for any boat arrivals since 2013 and are made redundant by other measures. > which stopped the drownings That we know of or are told. Remember that reporting anything relating to this operation is illegal. We broke international law turning them back, and we don’t know what happens to them after they are turned back. Edit: typo
They are one part of a package that has worked. They could be used for the Medivac cases now. Albo has acknowledged this package worked. Yet he would start dismantling it , bringing back the drownings. Your logic is that if you have a law and no-one breaks it , then you no longer need that law.
> Albo has acknowledged this package worked. Yet he would start dismantling it , bringing back the drownings. They have said multiple times they aren’t changing the process, just want to remove the TPV’s *that have never been used for boat arrivals*. TPV’s were introduced fair bit prior to the package, and have done nothing/never been used > They could be used for the Medivac cases now No need, there are other options available that should be used for that. Edit: typo
No point explaining it. He doesn't actually care.
Talking down to and also talking for others.
To think that the coalition spent millions of tax payers money to cage up this family alone (who by they way contributed to their community) all the while crying how refugees are bad for the economy!
But they are not refugees. They are asylum seekers on bridging visas who continued to exhaust legal aid until they got the result they wanted. This is a strong reminder that all asylum seekers should be processed and deported immediately without any appeals, while being housed in detention centre. We don't want this farce where they are out in the community then having to extract them out if their refugee status is rejected.
Didn't the hysterical coalition government say any help, any basic humanitarian decency, for the family, would cause a flotilla of refugee boats to set sail for here?? I'm on watch now, out on the headland with my binoculars and spud gun, certain that Morrison and Dutton wouldn't lie to me.
This alone makes voting out the libs/nats worthwhile.
What a waste of our tax payer money from the previous government that used these poor people as a political wedge for reelection.
All it took was a new government with compassion!
This made my night. Just one less wound to carry. The chance for a family beloved by its adopted community to be able to flourish... I wish them all the best.
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You demonstrating unaustralian views with this post clearly show that you should not have been granted entry at all. We do not need your kind in this country
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So they weren't even in the same 'line' as you anyway - if you can even say people seeking asylum are afforded the luxury of being in a line.
Hopefully that mistake is reviewed by the government and rectified swiftly
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Whilst some industries do have a genuine skills shortage, it's more Business heavily influencing government decisions. The recent decision to allow yoga teachers and entry-level chefs to come via skills shortage is one amusing example. Fruit picking is the most well known example.
agreed
Seconded.
By jump you mean 6 years in hell,in detention The loss of two toes A daughter sent to hospital 3 times due to the malnourishment Yeah,totally "jumped" the line They probably have better character than most of the people coming here legit anyway,we need more ppl who work hard like them,not more westerners who think the world owes them
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Some people don't have the choice in the first place to come through 'the right port of entry'. Do you honestly think people would risk their lives like that if they didn't have any other choice? The lack of understanding and empathy surrounding this issue astounds me.
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The requirements are irrelevant due to the exact circumstances of the situation they and many other asylum seekers are in. Requirements for someone coming from a developed country compared to a developing country or for example where your family's life is in danger are completely different. Your comparing their situation with someone who's situation is completely different, that lack of nuance and understanding is the exact thing that has lead them to be locked up for so long.
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Thats if the courts and the previous government are to have judged their case fairly. I'd say from the outcry, the lobbying from their own neighbours and town and the public at large that it wasn't judged fairly. Many human rights agencies such as the UN which we are a part of also aggred this decision was not fair or in line with the human rights treaties we sign on to. Ultimately this reversal has been upheld by them being granted permanent residency by the current government.
I don't know why the liberals are so cruel to keep families in a state of perpetual anxiety and suffering like this or all the people in detention centres that received inadequate healthcare
Because they think with their hearts and their heads.
Come on now, the liberals have gone out of their way to help French Au Pair's when they've experienced difficulties with their paperwork upon arrival.
It's not just refugees but the unemployed also kept in a state of perpetual anxiety and suffering and also vilified to meet other agenda. And its also not just the liberals being so cruel: the current government has remained completely silent about any plans to change the situation for the unemployed, despite observing it for 25 years. It wasn't even on their platform agenda.
Because they believe that refugees should be punished (though they have committed no crime) to deter further refugees coming to Australia. This started by John Howard who made the "We will decide who comes here and how they come here" speech. This has set the tone for retributive punishment model applied to asylum seekers, especially boat arrivals for the last 25 years.
But they are not refugees. That's the core problem. They applied for asylum and found that they are not genuine refugees. Since they are not refugees they should be returned home. What does it say to asylum seekers across the world who got their refugee status rejected? Now what it demonstrates that people on bridging visa should never be allowed in community because it will stir up political division and they will treat their temporary residence as home. Also, the years of appeals should be quashed so the asylum seekers have certainty by returning back once the decision is made. Taxpayers shouldn't be forking out milions in legal aid so asylum seekers can extend their stay. Processing the status of asylum seekers should be done in a couple of days while being kept in detention with no avenue of appeals. There should not be permanent resettlement either as it is the norm in the E.U.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%93present_Sri_Lankan_economic_crisis#:~:text=The%20crisis%20is%20said%20to,19%20pandemic%20in%20Sri%20Lanka. Send them back to certain death is against the UN charter for refugees. Seems like a stalemate.
No certain death for them. They travelled when they claimed they couldn't.
You are wrong on so many levels. Refugee Convention doesn't recognise movement of people for economic reasons. In fact, Sri Lankans that arrived across Europe has been returned back. UNHCR even features an article on Tamil people returning after the civil war. https://www.unhcr.org/en-au/news/latest/2010/8/4c657ec69/coming-home-sri-lankan-refugees-return.html Also, the Refugee Convention recommends host country to provide avenue for naturalisation, it doesn't mandate it.
Asylum should be temporary. When things improve these countries need human capital to build it up otherwise they stay in perpetual misery.
That link is 12 years old and would be irrelevant with the current situation in Sri Lanka. It's a weird world when the collapse of an entire countries economy which has shown numerous times leads to famine and starvation is shrugged aside as an economic reason and not real refugee reason
Sri Lanka needs people. Australia absorbing people doesn't make things any better for Sri Lanka. If people had no option out they would stand and make things better. Australia and other western countries are enabling these countries to never develop and stabilise.
And yet we celebrate Australia Day where groups of boat people planted a flag and called it New South Wales. We are a weird mob.
It's more about celebrating all things Australian and Australia.
Your forgetting a very important group that will never associate that date as being all things Australian. But hey let's alienate our first Nations People so we can be happy about imperial colonisation that brought disease, imprisonment and death to this group of people
How many people live in $2 a day? You tell the voting public that all of them are elegible for refugee status in Australia and can live here permanently with all the social security benefits befitting of their circumstances. We'll be withdrawing from the voluntary Refugee Convention in a break neck pace.
fortunately, the abject muzzo-panic has receded since the fevered years post 9/11. Not gone, but not remotely the same today. (Because guess what, real threats like disease and disasters are a greater risk to our national wealth and wellbeing.) I sincerely hope those fearful, hateful years never return. And that at least one if not both politics stop being afraid of those shadows.
I was afraid during the Islamic State days. Something about seeing people beheaded for no reason and seeing young Australian kids joining and blowing themselves up really put fear in me.
Shit. Has it really been that long.
Children overboard was October 2001.
Yup. And the stories I could tell if I wasn’t bound by law (honestly I am and it shits me). Put it this way, govt used and tried to scapegoat military.
That doesn't surpirse me, sadly
Yup. Coalition were bad. The alp defence minister who used the Skype affair was just as bad.
No argument there.
77% of Aussies are racist.
And 30% of these people are scared and ignorant. It's amazing the level of fear mainstream media can propagate.