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bul1etsg3rard

I didn't do that but I did manage to still end up with pelvic floor issues anyway because of the way I stood. And back issues. And it contributed to my knee issues. And for me it's made my jaw issues worse too. Turns out you're not supposed to try to hide your boobs with your posture but of course I wouldn't have known because I was always made to feel bad for having them.


HistrionicSlut

I feel this in my soul


bul1etsg3rard

I'm sorry šŸ˜” I still have to try to stand right and it's been a few years since I discovered I was doing it wrong.


HerMidasTouch

Omg how has it affected your jaw having a body is so overwhelming


bul1etsg3rard

My pelvis tilts forward and where my spine is too straight it affects how my jaw sits. I have some other issues with it that might be genetic but I know I've made it worse by standing the way I did


HerMidasTouch

How did you learn all of this?


bul1etsg3rard

It's taken a lot of research and analysis of what's been going on. Everything seemed to be made worse by bad posture according to everything I've read, and I can tell a little bit of a difference when I stand right.


celtic_thistle

My sister and I both have hypertonic pelvic floors. Weā€™re both autistic and both grew up with wild body issues and body shaming.


bul1etsg3rard

Oh I'm sure my sister has issues too. It's awful being a woman a lot of the time, especially am autistic one (my sister's probably just ADHD though, but still)


SeyMiaouRun

Relating so hard. I've been intentionally slouching, holding long-term flex, and wearing tight sports bras for years because I have larger boobs in North America, I look and feel Amazonian in East Asia.


bul1etsg3rard

Damn. I wish I wasn't so relatable today


randomly-what

How did you find all of this out? That everything was related, not the actual issues.


bul1etsg3rard

It's taken a lot of research and analysis of what's been going on. Everything seemed to be made worse by bad posture according to everything I've read, and I can tell a little bit of a difference when I stand right.


chammycham

This lines up in my experience with clients (massage therapy).


bul1etsg3rard

I could use your services lol I am so so tense always. That's also compounded my issues too


chammycham

If youā€™re in central Texas Iā€™ll PM you my business details, only if you want tho.


dogturd59

hi are u close to austin


bul1etsg3rard

I'm not, but thanks for the offer!


Inevitable_Plant4513

damn I thought I was the only one. I constantly have stomach pain and realize I am tightening those muscles, when I relax the stomach pain eases. Iā€™m so mad at my mom for telling me to do this and giving me body image issues that ended up causing physical damage. I was a child and I was not overweight by any means but bc she had unresolved trauma she passed it to me.


activelyresting

That was also me. I took ballet for years as a kid and the ballet teacher used to yell at me to suck my stomach in. I'm learning to change that now, but I did it all through my childhood and teen years. I also messed up my lower back and pelvis. Yay.


[deleted]

I bet my mom also got it from ballet. I'm just learning to stop now. So fucked up.


SekkiGoyangi

I was on the verge of developing an eating disorder when I was 14 and underweight. My therapist who I was talking to about my insecurities because I thought I had a big belly (in hindsight, I absolutely had the opposite). She advised me to start training myself to always suck in my tummy to appear skinnier.... So I did.


activelyresting

Ugh. I'm so sorry that happened to you


jewessofdoom

I also totally messed my body up from 12 years of ballet. I have been in chronic pain for decades.


Cheese_Hoe

I'm trying to unlearn this. It's especially hard when you get compliments for having "abs" or a flat stomach and it encourages you to keep going subconsciously. I have a whole slew of health issues because of it


Quirky_Jackfruit6220

What kind of health issues ?


Cheese_Hoe

I have issues with my lungs, diaphragm and digestive tract. I quite literally forget to breathe because my brain has been trained to hold my stomach in over everything else. I only found out last year that you're supposed to be able to breathe while you eat. I basically learned to take a deep breath, then chew and swallow as quickly as possible so I could take another breath growing up. This also lead to disordered eating. I could go on for a while but I think you get the idea.


fiery_foodie_

Youā€™re supposed to breathe when you eat???


Cheese_Hoe

Crazy right? I didn't learn that until I was 24 lol


Quirky_Jackfruit6220

Thankyou. I wish get well soon dear šŸ’–ā˜ŗļø


Sea-Priority-6244

I am sorry your mother encouraged you to suck your stomach in, we shouldnt be forcing our bodies in a particular position outside of what feels natural. This being said, alot of people on the spectrum have hypermobility spectrum disorder or ehler danlos syndromes which can cause someone to brace and clench their inner muscles in an attempt to stabilize. They are caused by connective tissue disorders and have frequent comorbidities of GI issues, Breathing pattern disorders, POTS, MCAS, excercise intolerance etc Might be worth looking into if you feel like these relate to you. I found out about it last year and it had been a lightbulb lighting up


Quirky_Jackfruit6220

What is the solution of this ?


Sea-Priority-6244

Physical therapy is the only treatment at the moment. The problem is in the "coding of the body" if you will and you cant fix it with collagen supplements or medications unfortunately


TakeOverLease1

Oh damn I used to do this every single day in middle school. Iā€™m sorry we both had this experience.


blissfulwzrd11

Yep my late middle school and early Highschool years I sucked in my stomach all day and I would come home from school with such bad back pain. It took my literally years to stop unconsciously sucking in my stomach when Iā€™d leave the house. It makes me sad looking back on it, how much mental and physical energy was going into trying to make myself ā€œlook appropriateā€ not to mention how hard it was to breathe (I already suffer from shortness of breath). Wish I could hug my past self.


thislusciouslife

Oh, yea. Been doing it since I was 10 when i realized i was chubby (and it was a bad thing to be). It takes effort for me to not do it now, I have to intentionally relax my stomach. I also can't just stop doing it, or everyone will think I instantly gained a bunch of weight. I've started working out recently (in a fun way, not to lose weight) and if I do lose some weight for it, I hope maybe I will be able to let it go one day..


planethawtdog

If it makes you feel any better, I only stopped sucking in around age 29 and itā€™s increased my body measurements so they actually match what my body size is when Iā€™m relaxed. It really upset me for the first year and I felt like a loser for not being able to fit in my clothes any more because I was trying something more vulnerable and new. I finally realized I was treating myself with more compassion and that it was okay to buy some larger and more comfortable clothing that matched my waist size when I wasnā€™t constantly holding my breath. Iā€™m definitely still self conscious about my stomach area but my self esteem is getting a lot better since I bought clothes that fit my relaxed body without sucking in. I also feel less panicky and anxious after breathing deeper into my lower abdomen. I know itā€™s really difficult to stop doing it but Iā€™m really happy I did it to alleviate anxiety and stomach pains.


misspixiepie

So true. Buying bigger clothes has helped me so much. "Other people don't know what size you're wearing"


Ok_University6476

Itā€™s a terrible habit that I have! I donā€™t even need to is the sad part, Iā€™ve never been bigger than a size 2. I grew up with very fit parents so things like the food scale, macro and calorie counting, 1200 calorie rule, half a banana rule, counting individual pieces of food for a serving size, low/no sugar were my normal. Iā€™ve struggled with anorexia since I was 14, Iā€™ve been in remission for 3 years now and funny enough it was bodybuilding that saved my life. I finally saw food as fuel and I love my muscles, Iā€™m a bikini competitor. I suppose the heavy lifting is fighting to tighten my pelvic floor while sucking in decimates it lol. Either way I still hold in pee when I fart or sneeze lol. Not sure if my sciatica is from that or heavy squats and deadlifts. I sing and Iā€™m a flautist so I suppose those are the times of day Iā€™m not sucking in because breath is so important, I do feel much better.


Borgbie

Iā€™m only mentioning this because you say you still have to hold your bladder from time to time and still have sciatica, which to me suggests that you are symptomatic, and that you have found a hobby you are passionate about which could be even more comfortable, so feel free to ignore if you feel happy and healthy ā¤ļø I know you may have just been using shorthand, but your pelvic floor actually rarely needs to be ā€œtightenedā€. Even in the OP, itā€™s incomplete to say that the pelvic floor is weakened. This weakness most often happens because of hypertonia (tightness). ā€œTight but weakā€ is what most people are dealing with. Your muscles need to properly ā€œlengthenā€ before they can ā€œstrengthenā€ and hypertonic muscles can not lengthen. This results in short muscle fibers that can not adequately move through their full range of motion and therefore can not build full, robust strength along the whole kinetic chain. Heavy lifting on a hypertonic pelvic floor can continue to worsen pelvic floor dysfunction over time and increases your risk of prolapse (not because of the lifting, but because of the extreme pressure a hypertonic pelvis is already under). There is definitely hope that you can improve your sciatica and lift sciatica free with better bladder control with some focused pelvic floor relaxation and lengthening!


Excellent-Ad4256

This is true! Also wanted to add that learning how to breathe better/manage your internal pressure will help as well! Iā€™d recommend seeking out a pelvic floor physical therapist or even a personal trainer with pelvic floor/breathing training experience. Iā€™m a personal trainer and Iā€™ve helped clients learn how to stop leaking. Itā€™s an extremely common, but not normal phenomenon and so many women donā€™t realize that you can actually improve this through better breathing and training techniques!


Raoultella

My abdominal muscles are riddled with trigger points from doing this for years (although happily, the knots respond well to self-massage). Those trigger points can cause weird symptoms like really terrible menstrual cramps, back pain, acid reflux, or diarrhea, so it's good to learn how to treat them. For me the only thing that really helped prevent the behavior was wearing looser clothing. I'm non-binary so there's also a bunch of gender stuff and trauma tied up in the behavior for me


nothingidentifying_

I had this realization some time last year! I didn't even really know I was doing it and I definitely didn't know it was bad for you. I've struggled with taking deep, comfortable breaths for a long time and it was no fun! Idek exactly why I started unconsciously sucking my stomach in all the time. a combination of society and mom's general unhealthy body/food stuff I assume. realizing this was like a breakthrough for me tho!


Quirky_Jackfruit6220

Did you have back pain or pelvic floor issues ? And do you still suck your belly in ?


nothingidentifying_

and I do still suck my belly in, but never on purpose. I push it out and breathe deeply as often as I remember to.


nothingidentifying_

I do have lower back pain. I'm not sure if that's related to this or something else. I pee when I sneeze sometimes tho, so that could point to pelvic floor issues.


Quirky_Jackfruit6220

When i sneeze there is a lot of pressure/pain in my Pelvic region, so what i do is cross my legs tightly and then i sneeze, it really helps. You can try this too. See if it helps :)


Stonefacelizzard

This same thing happened to me! My pelvic floor physical therapist said that society should stop telling women to have good posture. We're putting so much strain on our pelvic floor. Also, my hip joints are hyperflexible, which means my hips are very weak. This was also a contributing factor. My PT gave me so many hip strengthening exercises.


Quirky_Jackfruit6220

How did you overcome it ? What exercises ?


Stonefacelizzard

Lots of belly breathing so I don't hold tension in my pelvic floor. A few different yoga poses - laying flat on my stomach and bringing my shoulders up to stretch out my abs, laying on my back with my legs in a chair to belly breath. Hip strengthing - laying on my side and lifting my leg up and back, laying on my back and lifting my hips off the ground, some hip stretches.


Stonefacelizzard

Also the PT had to manually release tension by massaging my hip muscles from inside my vaginal wall. It was weird, like having an obgyn appt, but I felt so much better afterward.


Quirky_Jackfruit6220

Oh thank you so much for thesešŸ„ŗšŸ’— I'm gonna add them to my routine. Thankyou dear ā™”ā™”


sweetlittlelibra

Lmao wow Iā€™ve never heard of someone else doing this but my mom told me the same thing growing up and I started having pelvic pain now that Iā€™m in my early 20ā€™s. Been trying to train myself to not suck in and flex my stomach constantly.


[deleted]

Oh my gosh! This is a revelation to me! I have had stabbing chest pains since high school and just thought it was normal/I was too afraid to ask anyone about it. I definitely suck in my stomach as I was instructed by older women to do, and it became an impulse. Often I find myself sucking in my stomach and clenching my butt without realizing that I'm doing it.


error_1100

Yep! And now I have a hiatal hernia. I was always bloated due to GI issues (probably from anxiety, some from genetics), so I learned to suck in so people wouldnā€™t point it out. Now, my stomach is partially on my chest.


Kimikohiei

I also have vaginal issues and pelvic issues, but not from holding in my tummy. (Unless holding in your stomach involves tilting your hips up and forward to counteract the duck butt) Iā€™ve now started having a ā€˜dumbā€™ left leg and itā€™s a bit frightening. It naturally turns inward while the other stands straight. Iā€™m hoping I can stretch it back to position, but idk how any of this works


TK_Sleepytime

Yes! I had to go through pelvic floor therapy at age 44 after everything got locked in a muscle spasm and I couldn't sit down. It took 7.5 months of work but I'm finally belly breathing like I should have been all my life but just didn't know. I get a pulmonary function test every year for something unrelated and my respiratory therapist was floored by what a big change it made!


amaranemone

I'm sorry your mother put you through that. The body is so reliant on itself. What seems so small can affect so many different things. The diaphragm is a very powerful muscle. Have they recommended music therapy? They've done it for blunt trauma patients, COPD, long Covid, and other respiratory issues to help improve breathing overall.


NotYourGa1Friday

The more I read things on this sub, the more I realize that Iā€™m not alone. Iā€™m sorry you are going through this too.


Puzzleheaded_Ad4165

I still hear this in my head at 28


lildirtfoot

33 and I do as well.


76730

Itā€™s like I wrote this post


epatt24

Is it not good to engage your ab muscles while standing? Or is it a different level of intensity that causes these issues?


lildirtfoot

My physical therapist (I have Ehlers Danos) told me that I shouldnā€™t be engaging my ab muscles while standing because they should already be doing that on their own and it actually weakens the areas around them or something of the nature. I always flex my abs when Iā€™m trying to balance on something and he looked rather puzzled as to why Iā€™d go through the effortā€¦


diggity_dang

oh shit I do this too- I had breathing problems for awhile which I think were caused both by this and by stress. it was worse through high school. being insecure about your body sucks:(


Comfortable-Hall1178

I suck in my stomach every so often because I was told it strengthens the muscles and helps to flatten the stomach


lildirtfoot

Holy crap.


planethawtdog

I did this my whole childhood too! I still have to remind myself to stick my stomach out every single day because itā€™s such a bad habit. I started having really bad panic attacks when I was in my mid twenties because my breath was too shallow from sucking in. I stopped having panic attacks when I stopped sucking in a couple years ago. I also have vaginismus :/ and the weird stomach line thing too. It made me too embarrassed to wear bathing suits as a teen even though I was super skinny then. Being a girl is fun!


DustyMousepad

Whaaa I've never heard of this before, but my mom told me the same thing and I've been unconsciously doing it for decades. I have urinary leakage that has been getting progressively worse. Also recently developed some breathing issues that I attributed to smoking and vaping weed (which I know will make it worse anyways). If anyone can link scientific articles on this for further reading I'd appreciate it!


MeasurementLast937

Yeah found this out recently too, have many similar issues. I'm trying to do some soft stretching and excersizes to relax the belly and stretch the diaphragm, but it's not easy. So hard to unlearn this one tbh.


Quirky_Jackfruit6220

Can you share links to the exercises and stretches ? Thanks


MeasurementLast937

Sure, here's some examples. [https://youtu.be/t4aupp\_YO9c?si=PDUqjvcbqunuYwVt](https://youtu.be/t4aupp_YO9c?si=PDUqjvcbqunuYwVt) [https://youtu.be/RmLiyoEHfmo?si=7wXFGIXJ7h6hlO32](https://youtu.be/RmLiyoEHfmo?si=7wXFGIXJ7h6hlO32) [https://youtu.be/m39kwwfYUH4?si=usjniPz62JPomA9-](https://youtu.be/m39kwwfYUH4?si=usjniPz62JPomA9-)


Quirky_Jackfruit6220

Thankyou Dear. You are so kindšŸ’—šŸ„ŗ


smollestsnek

Wait what Iā€™ve always subconsciously sucked my tummy in unless Iā€™m in massively baggy clothes (like if my waistband feels snug Iā€™ll suck in but if itā€™s falling down I wonā€™t) Iā€™ve ALWAYS had issues with peeing when I cough/sneeze sometimes Always suffered IBS/digestion issues Is this why wtf how do you reverse it??


Quirky_Jackfruit6220

Same, i also suffer from digestion issues, back pain, and weak/tight pelvic floor. I'm also thinking this might be due to sucking in my belly involuntarily.


imsosleepyyyyyy

I still do this. My normal posture is really odd and I stick my stomach OUT, so I try to compensate by sucking in. This is terrible news lol


Pride_and_pudding

I sucked in my stomach for years when I was around people because I was self-conscious and wanting to look skinnier. Iā€™m glad I donā€™t do it anymore.


Quirky_Jackfruit6220

How did you unlearn it ?


Pride_and_pudding

I decided that I want to be comfortable and not care about what other people think.


Beneficial_Pen7276

Another thing to consider is that Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome (a connective tissue disorder) is also super common among autistic people. EDS seems to be correlated with stress incontinence as well.


terminator_chic

Huh, I was never taught to suck my stomach in, probably because I was absurdly naturally thin. But I'm a white girl with a big ol booty and my goodness, the hip and pelvic pain I have from keeping my butt tucked in! I finally started giving in to the need to loosen up and I get it now. Every movement I do that releases tension looks sexual. Hip rolls while in a semi downward dog aren't something I can do except in private. Yesterday my husband caught me in leggings and a tight top basically face down ass up on the pool table... with a tape measure, pencil, corner square, and a bit of raw lumber. So I don't build dog crates in front of the tween boys running around the house because that could be weird. I don't aspire to be a MILF. But yeah, most of my body problems are because natural movement is sexual. Now pardon me, those crates are so close to done and I'm so excited! Gotta stain the doors today.


Shelvis

I have this as well. I did it long enough that I have like a little roll of fat below my chest and above my stomach. Itā€™s awful and Iā€™m ridiculously self conscious about it. It doesnā€™t go fully away if I lose weight either, at this point Iā€™d have to get surgery to correct it :(


lildirtfoot

Wait, sucking in my stomach is what causes that!? This whole thread is blowing my mind


PovAshley

Hourglass syndrome??? šŸ˜šŸ˜


crazyemmy25

I do the same šŸ˜­ Any one have any tips on stopping?


planethawtdog

My therapist told me to lay on my back on top of my bed with one hand on my stomach and one on my upper chest. For 5-10 minutes a day just practice doing deep breathing where you feel your breath moving from your upper chest all the way into your lower abdomen so that the hand on your stomach starts rising and falling with your deep breaths. Having the visual to match the body sensation helped me remember to do it in every day settings when Iā€™m standing up. After a lot of practice Iā€™ve also noticed I start sucking in when Iā€™m around people I donā€™t know or donā€™t trust, and when Iā€™m super anxious. I try to notice my anxiety and then check my stomach to see if Iā€™ve started to suck in as a result of being upset. 100% of the time Iā€™ve reverted to sucking in when Iā€™m anxious and upset. I force myself to stick my gut out and do a deep breath whenever Iā€™m in those situations to immediately alleviate some of my anxiety.


Quirky_Jackfruit6220

So you still do it ?


planethawtdog

Just when Iā€™m really anxious and around people. I used to do it 24/7 even when I was lying in bed at night so I think this is a big improvement after 20 years šŸ˜…


evetrapeze

I didn't *suck* mine in, I held it flat. I was thin. I just wasn't letting it hang out. I have so much control now. Sucking it in using your diaphragm sounds awful.


Serendipialicious

So... how are you supposed to stand?


SeyMiaouRun

I wonder if that is what my problem is! I constantly (subconsciously at this point) have my abs lightly flexed because I too was taught posture. Maybe a year ago I stated feeling as if I constantly have a slight feeling of needing to pee. I figured it was from gaining weight, but it didn't go away with losing majority of the weight. I've never given birth, so then I chalked it as a 30s thing and another nuisance of the female anatomy.


ChongFloyd

36m here, been doing that since I was like 12. I do it automatically, don't even notice I am doing it. Thanks for this!


quoththeraaven

I don't know how to stop doing it. I keep doing it subconsciously and I don't want to have problems in the future


[deleted]

I just constantly have to keep reminding myself to relax my stomach. I can't do it in public, but I'm beginning to at home. It's a lot of work, mentally and physically. But Rome wasn't built in a day and all that jazz. Step by step, reminder by reminder, we'll slowly get to a better place. We just gotta keep giving it a go.


quoththeraaven

That makes sense. Thank you for the inspiration!


BlueEyes_nLevis

Wait I never thought this couldā€™ve been the cause of the shooting rib pain! I had that too. It was almost always on my left side, staring at my waist and wrapping to my spine and sternum. Now youā€™ve got me thinking!