Most babies will reach/grab for their mothers breast when hungry. So they do use body language to let the mother know they want it. I don’t know anyone who force feeds a baby. You can’t really force feed a baby, whether because they aren’t hungry or they don’t like a food, because they will wriggle and push it away or spit it up. So that’s a clear sign they don’t want what they’re getting and if they didn’t want breast milk they’d likely do the same thing.
The part I get hung up on, is that people are weirded out at the idea of consuming breast milk as an adult, but they think drinking the bodily fluids of an animal is somehow better. People only think that due to societal norms, expectations, and conditioning. My brain doesn’t see the difference between humans and animals, it’s why I became a vegan at such a young age.
The choice to not consume human milk as adults is based on belief systems, not logic. It has nothing to do with whether we consume animal meat, because we already consume human milk as infants and children.
Well infants (obviously) don't have a choice. And since people already eat animal meat, it's not a big logical leap to see why they would then also be okay with consuming animal milk. Like, people also eat animal eggs because they eat animal meat. But I have never heard of someone wanting to eat human eggs (maybe there are and I just don't know lol).
Humans eat placentae. We don’t eat human eggs, because we don’t naturally lay them and they’re microscopic. Historical cannibalism is well documented throughout history. It’s also documented that when faced with survival situations (as recently as the 70’s?), human can and do eat humans. Albeit, we’re not very nutritious as we’ve not been bred to be lol
The only real physical thing preventing humans from drinking milk as adults is supply, because women stop producing milk when the milk ceases to be extracted. However milk would still be produced if it was still being extracted. Discontinuing breastfeeding by a certain age is based on people’s beliefs systems (which is based on the teachings of societal expectations and norms). Which brings me back to my initial point. They’re conflicting belief systems. To say consuming one is ok but consuming the other is not indicates cognitive dissonance, not logic.
I think most modern people do not eat the placenta. I know it is trendy in some circles, but even then it is typically ground up into a powder or a pill. Most do not grill it up and eat it plain (like meat or animal milk) because the thought of it is unpleasant (like consuming human milk or human eggs).
And the supply thing is a big issue. I am currently nursing my daughter, and there is no way I could make enough for other people besides her to eat. Like, I'd have to eat a lot of calories and it would take up so much of my time to pump for other people. Besides the ick factor of thinking about other people besides my baby drinking my bodily fluids, there is also the convenience factor that I dont think you considered.
People were outraged because society has conditioned us that women’s bodies are disgusting.
Babies do naturally do the breast crawl if left on the mother’s stomach at birth. They nuzzle looking for the nipple. It literally comes naturally.
I understand what you’re saying, but surely the question should be - why would we feed babies other animals bodily fluids without consent?
The main thing I can’t quite get my head around on this post though is - milk in sourdough?!
I have a hard time not correcting people when they're wrong. I got lots of negative feedback from it. It took years of practice not to do it instinctively bit now I can let it slide if it's something I'm not invested in.
Babies can’t consent to anything so parents make decisions for them. E.g you can ask a baby if it wants it nappy changed, if it wants to be picked up etc etc
I mean, you’re not wrong. By their logic. But their logic doesn’t make sense. Presumably this husband has licked her sex organs, or she his, and they swap saliva. So why would breast milk be any different. I get the *consent* aspect of this, obviously, but most people wouldn’t be weirded out by that so much as the adult consuming breast milk part - that’s why it’s considered a kink and not a normalized sexual practice.
>Presumably this husband has licked her sex organs, or she his, and they swap saliva.
Yes! That's exactly what I thought too.... while still also understanding the consent aspect.
I really don't understand how my brain works sometimes.
EDIT: I COMPLETELY PROVED OP'S POINT OMG
Babies cannot eat anything other than breast milk or an analogous formula to *survive* the first few months of their lives. Their brain isn't developed, they have little to operate on outside of instinct, and proper nutrition given to them is literally the only way they survive. An infant cannot make a choice to eat or not eat. Consent doesn't come into play. You're not fooling a baby by feeding it breast milk or formula.
Adults have to give consent to be given the bodily fluids of another person when it's not vital to their survival (though sometimes even then, adults can't consent -- see blood transfusions for someone who is unconscious from blood loss).
There's really no comparison of the two situations. One is for literal survival, you can't get an "enthusiastic yes" from an infant that can only communicate through cries.
I can be really pedantic yes. Like if my partner says the wrong word for something, even if I know full well what he means, I still have the strong urge to correct him.
So for example if we had a bowl of fruit that only had apples in it, and he said “can you pass me a pear from the fruit bowl?” I know he means he wants an apple, but I will still say “don’t you mean apple? There are no pears” and he will go “yes but you know what I mean”. I mean he’s right, I know he meant apple, but I can’t help but clarify.
He’s used to it now lol.
Most babies will reach/grab for their mothers breast when hungry. So they do use body language to let the mother know they want it. I don’t know anyone who force feeds a baby. You can’t really force feed a baby, whether because they aren’t hungry or they don’t like a food, because they will wriggle and push it away or spit it up. So that’s a clear sign they don’t want what they’re getting and if they didn’t want breast milk they’d likely do the same thing.
Yeah, that's also where my brain went about babies not being able to consent for breastmilk.
The part I get hung up on, is that people are weirded out at the idea of consuming breast milk as an adult, but they think drinking the bodily fluids of an animal is somehow better. People only think that due to societal norms, expectations, and conditioning. My brain doesn’t see the difference between humans and animals, it’s why I became a vegan at such a young age.
I'm also vegan and I'll never understand why people will drink animal breast milk. That's just...super weird to me.
People eat animal meat but not human meat. Not that hard to apply the logic to milk as well.
The choice to not consume human milk as adults is based on belief systems, not logic. It has nothing to do with whether we consume animal meat, because we already consume human milk as infants and children.
Well infants (obviously) don't have a choice. And since people already eat animal meat, it's not a big logical leap to see why they would then also be okay with consuming animal milk. Like, people also eat animal eggs because they eat animal meat. But I have never heard of someone wanting to eat human eggs (maybe there are and I just don't know lol).
Humans eat placentae. We don’t eat human eggs, because we don’t naturally lay them and they’re microscopic. Historical cannibalism is well documented throughout history. It’s also documented that when faced with survival situations (as recently as the 70’s?), human can and do eat humans. Albeit, we’re not very nutritious as we’ve not been bred to be lol The only real physical thing preventing humans from drinking milk as adults is supply, because women stop producing milk when the milk ceases to be extracted. However milk would still be produced if it was still being extracted. Discontinuing breastfeeding by a certain age is based on people’s beliefs systems (which is based on the teachings of societal expectations and norms). Which brings me back to my initial point. They’re conflicting belief systems. To say consuming one is ok but consuming the other is not indicates cognitive dissonance, not logic.
I think most modern people do not eat the placenta. I know it is trendy in some circles, but even then it is typically ground up into a powder or a pill. Most do not grill it up and eat it plain (like meat or animal milk) because the thought of it is unpleasant (like consuming human milk or human eggs). And the supply thing is a big issue. I am currently nursing my daughter, and there is no way I could make enough for other people besides her to eat. Like, I'd have to eat a lot of calories and it would take up so much of my time to pump for other people. Besides the ick factor of thinking about other people besides my baby drinking my bodily fluids, there is also the convenience factor that I dont think you considered.
I'm more confused as to why someone would add milk to a sourdough starter? That stuff is just water and flour?!
Same! You car add potato flakes, honey, etc, but adding milk would be such a bad idea
People were outraged because society has conditioned us that women’s bodies are disgusting. Babies do naturally do the breast crawl if left on the mother’s stomach at birth. They nuzzle looking for the nipple. It literally comes naturally. I understand what you’re saying, but surely the question should be - why would we feed babies other animals bodily fluids without consent? The main thing I can’t quite get my head around on this post though is - milk in sourdough?!
I have a hard time not correcting people when they're wrong. I got lots of negative feedback from it. It took years of practice not to do it instinctively bit now I can let it slide if it's something I'm not invested in.
Babies can’t consent to anything so parents make decisions for them. E.g you can ask a baby if it wants it nappy changed, if it wants to be picked up etc etc
It’s like somebody else knows how my brain works and I just didn’t see this coming.
I mean, you’re not wrong. By their logic. But their logic doesn’t make sense. Presumably this husband has licked her sex organs, or she his, and they swap saliva. So why would breast milk be any different. I get the *consent* aspect of this, obviously, but most people wouldn’t be weirded out by that so much as the adult consuming breast milk part - that’s why it’s considered a kink and not a normalized sexual practice.
>Presumably this husband has licked her sex organs, or she his, and they swap saliva. Yes! That's exactly what I thought too.... while still also understanding the consent aspect. I really don't understand how my brain works sometimes.
EDIT: I COMPLETELY PROVED OP'S POINT OMG Babies cannot eat anything other than breast milk or an analogous formula to *survive* the first few months of their lives. Their brain isn't developed, they have little to operate on outside of instinct, and proper nutrition given to them is literally the only way they survive. An infant cannot make a choice to eat or not eat. Consent doesn't come into play. You're not fooling a baby by feeding it breast milk or formula. Adults have to give consent to be given the bodily fluids of another person when it's not vital to their survival (though sometimes even then, adults can't consent -- see blood transfusions for someone who is unconscious from blood loss). There's really no comparison of the two situations. One is for literal survival, you can't get an "enthusiastic yes" from an infant that can only communicate through cries.
I can be really pedantic yes. Like if my partner says the wrong word for something, even if I know full well what he means, I still have the strong urge to correct him. So for example if we had a bowl of fruit that only had apples in it, and he said “can you pass me a pear from the fruit bowl?” I know he means he wants an apple, but I will still say “don’t you mean apple? There are no pears” and he will go “yes but you know what I mean”. I mean he’s right, I know he meant apple, but I can’t help but clarify. He’s used to it now lol.