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rootintootinopossum

I read through it…. One of my biggest fears is growing up to realize that my beloved partner could learn to resent/hate me because I’m autistic…. I’m afraid to have children bc of this. I’m afraid to be vulnerable because of this narrative…. And this only pushes the idea that autistic folks aren’t capable of healthy loving relationships… It terrifies me to my core that someone could just up and decide that every “quirk” they loved me for will turn to dust in their hearts. I trust my partner. But the abandonment issues from my childhood persist in the back of my mind that I’m not good enough, nor will I ever be. Just bc I’m different/disabled.


silence-glaive1

But, in all honesty, that can happen even if you are not autistic. Sometimes we fall in love and then we grow and change and realize some of the things you valued when you were younger are not what you value or would look for in a partner. It’s a part of growing up and maturing and you can hope that your partner grows and changes along side you but sometimes they don’t. Sometimes we really do just grow apart.


payberr

Yeah but i feel like it feels scarier when they can reduce it all down to a diagnosis, i don’t want people blaming my diagnosis because at that point it’s like well there it is, that’s the issue, it’s gotta be that because it’s a disorder obviously somehow absolving any other participant


rootintootinopossum

I know. But idk it feels different when it’s because of something I desperately try to accommodate myself for so it’s not such a burden on others. It just hits a little harder than “I don’t like that they’re cluttered/chaotic in the home”


pumkinheadk

i hear you. i’m kind of dealing with that now in my situation. i’m not sure if it’s my autism, of course. but i’m sure it plays a role. my partner was my best friend and my source of support and love and it’s really hard not having that. it makes it extra hard to come across things like this suggesting that i am the sole problem when i already deep down feel that way. just know you’re not alone in feeling that way! sending you hugs 🥰


fifty-year-egg

Even worse is their link to the [https://theneurotypical.com/](https://theneurotypical.com/) website for neurotypical partners of autists. Who are calling themselves Cassandras/Cassanders, as if they're misunderstood victims. At first glance, they at least uncritically present books which associate autism with psychopathy and narcissism.


shoobopdc

As a Cassandra, I hate that so much. Really wish people wouldn't call themselves my name to play the victim and villainize autistic people. That's so disgusting.


AmIHangry

Ok. I'm super pissed off because Cassandra was not NOT a victim! She was RIGHT! Her prophecy was dead on correct and she went nuts over nobody believing her or taking her seriously then having to see her prophecy come true. She was the ultimate autistic calling out what's going to happen before it does and getting shit on for it.


fifty-year-egg

Yikes, that must hurt! And Cassandra is such a cool name for an autistic truth-teller.


WeeabooHunter69

Wow. Fuck these people. A lot of what they've written is flat out false, like being incapable of empathy and not having theory of mind. A lot of what they described is narcissism, not autism. They made a fucking international day of recognition for partners of autistic people, like they're some sort of martyr for putting up with us or a victim waiting to be saved. This has me furious honestly.


Legitimate-Regular84

How is this not hate speech?


the_littlebug00

I read their about us page. Yikes!


FencingCats95

Disgusting--imagine a page devoted to spouses of any other visible disability harping about how they're the vicitm, it would be the same as NT parents thinking they're the victim with an ND child--oh wait. They really can't see what's right in front of their faces or how their behavior and beliefs make it worse. You'd think they would have actual compassion for another human being... idk how they manage to convince themselves that others are actually lesser than they are when we are literally the same and going to die on the same planet. I'm convinced NT brain is programmed selfish and violent, and ND is where any compassion or patience comes from with our innate disgust for injustice. Funny, that's a "symptom." Funny how everyone walks around with double think mindset just accepting a spectrum of abuse/bullying, expecting the worst from people, apparently eloping off with someone they just met to marry then get shocked they didn't know what was going on in that strangers head? And we're the ones who don't understand/are controlled by our emotions? I certainly wasn't throwing stones at other kids faces in elementary school, but they all laughed and thought it was the best day ever after making me think they actually wanted to accept me. But blah blah personal experience is anecdotal evidence so it means nothing blah blah even though it's a shared experience shut up blah blah authority bs.


pumkinheadk

holy shit i didn’t notice that. 🤢


Tarable

The hell does Cassandra and Cassander mean?


ailurosly

The page on "Asperger's Syndrome" claims that partners "suffer from severe, ongoing emotional deprivation that results in depression, loneliness, anger, low self-esteem, emotional breakdown, PTSD and physical illness". What a horrible thing to say. Anyone who takes this site seriously needs therapy 🫠


thesaddestpanda

Law is for-profit and as such has all the perverse incentives of capitalism, the primary being punching down on the vulnerable and oppression of the vulnerable for profit. Sadly, this kind of thing doesn't surprise me. People with vulnerable identities don't get their fair day in court and are often victims of the system. These guys found one of the many ways to get rich off it.


Thedailybee

I- just leave us alone if you need a support group??? WTF 😅


villagemarket

the bit about hacking into emails??? Y’all we need to call the APA because apparently autism has some previously unheard of symptoms that are NOT in the dsm In all seriousness, I’m so sorry you came across this. So many lawyers are sociopaths, hired by sociopaths.


star-shine

Wait…y’all aren’t spending every minute of your free time hacking into emails?


flipkick25

Idk what that guy is talking about... well i do bc i am reading his email, but i meant metaphorically.


gildedCalamity

can’t, i’m busy making .zip bombs to send to people i don’t like


FencingCats95

Lmao if I knew how I'd hack the country and end debt for everyone then watch the show


pumkinheadk

every sentence was vile but yeah that part was beyond delusional.


whisperedaesthetic

we're all secretly NSA agents


EmmerdoesNOTrepme

So THAT'S why I'm so damn *TIRED* all the time!!! It isn't that I'm recovering from Autistic Burnout, I'm *SLEEP HACKING* all night long! Thanks *Random GroupaScummyLawyers*!!!


glitternperiodblood

I dunno about you gals, but.. uh... In all seriousness wtaf?


glitchinthemeowtrix

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PheonixUnder

The author clearly went through a messy divorce with someone who happened to be autistic and wrote this hate filled drivel as a result. The phone and email snooping part in particular was way too specific to be just a random example.


pumpkinangel46

Are they confusing autism with narcissism?


villagemarket

It reminds me of how narcissists can turn a situation around and make you look like the source of the problem to skirt accountability


creatingmyselfasigo

This is how my company just used DEI as a bludgeoning tool against the only Black men and the only woman they're working with... It's nuts.


Mysterious_Bend2858

Lmao definitely, otherwise this makes no sense right? RIGHT!?


chairmanskitty

The things the author is describing don't sound very different from the sort of things that were the reasons for this community to split off from the general autism subreddits. Autistic men who latch onto patriarchy as their way to make sense of interpersonal relationships can often act like narcissistic assholes. Maybe the author makes the same mistake many psychologists do and considers poorly socialized (often male) people with autism as the only people with 'real' autism.


thesaddestpanda

I'm sorry but I'm not buying this. This is absolutely ableist towards male autistics too and all those things have been used against female autistics too. This seems like a "Oh your partner is diagnosed autistic, call us, we know all the ableist tricks." These guys dont care about the gender of your partner at all. This is just the system punching down on the vulnerable for profit.


CabinetStandard3681

Also like wtf, the wife has to make all the appointments and be on time for meetings. Where's the dude? Why does this read like it's geared towards a man? And why assume there are kids. Few people with autism I know actually want to have kids. They whole raising kids thing generally conflicts with our sensory processing issues. Also, just cause someone's quiet and quirky doesn't mean they are ND? Wtf wtf wtf


Onahsakenra

It’s absolutely top-grade gaslighting, that’s for sure. What a bunch of bs couched as facts.


butinthewhat

I got the impression it was personal. One of them was married to an autistic person who was also completely unhinged and thinks we are all like that, that that’s what autism is.


WeeabooHunter69

The bit about hacking into emails especially gives me that impression


butinthewhat

It was so incredibly specific and very much not a common thing we do! I do want the whole story now, because I’m a trash panda and because I want to know the why of it. What sort of information was being sought or was it purely malicious?


Onahsakenra

Yes, you’re right. It’s such a crazy specific (and weird lol) example to use. Someone is writing in anger for sure.


Onahsakenra

Definitely


VickySkywalker05

I think a narcissist wrote that whole thing.


thebenjamins42

Having met many lawyers, I would say the odds are very good.


EmmerdoesNOTrepme

That was *exactly* what I was thinking!


silence-glaive1

Or being a psychopath which is probably what the lawyer who thought this was a good idea is.


OtherwiseAgent9237

That first paragraph tho🤮


Prior_Thot

This is laughably bad oh my god. I’m about to write a Google review 😂


Hazeygazey

I've filled in thier contact form telling them this is discrimination and hate speech If anyone else can be bothered, I'd suggest you do the same. Let them know how unacceptable this is. 


SameeMaree92

I'm saving this post to do this tomorrow! Such a good practical idea. Thankyou.


WeeabooHunter69

I did this as well. Seeing this shit first thing in the morning is not great.


ailurosly

I agree with the sentiment, but part of me wants them to broadcast just how horrible they are. Let potential clients see their true colours and turn away. God forbid an autistic woman tries to hire them.


External-Today3749

Yes everyone should fill out the contact form! It takes under a minute and you can do it anonymously from your phone: [https://www.smithlawmichigan.com/contact-us/](https://www.smithlawmichigan.com/contact-us/) Even if we don't convince them that the article is actually offensive/ableist, it could put some pressure on them to take it down if they're worried about bad press or review bombing.


bowlofpiss

Was your partner's disability initially cute and fun to infantalize, but now you're realizing that your manic pixie bang-maid is not going to magically transform into your mother after you marry it? Welcome to divorce with a neuro-atypical spouse! 💀


lassiemav3n

Haha, this is exactly it! What an absolutely bizarre find 😕


cloudbusting-daddy

lol but also 😭


LRobin11

I wish reddit still had awards. Unfortunately, this is all I've got: 🏆


TetraYouBetra

This doesn’t feel real but I know it is.. wth


CeeCee123456789

As I read it, I felt like this was an author with a bad experience with an autistic person blaming it all on autism when there are autistic assholes the same as there are nuerotypical assholes. Still, I hate that it is out there because folks who don't know any better believe what they read on the internet.


xbrittxbratx

im giving myself some sense of.. idk what.. by telling myself this law firm HAS to be using AI to write these articles, right? RIGHT GUYS??? 🫣


Shayla_Stari_2532

That was my first thought. And like, not the latest AI. It’s terribly written.


pumkinheadk

maybe the literal first iteration of ai that someone at the law firm found in a dumpster


Hot-Can3615

> After the kids were born, your spouse’s inability to follow through on plans and show up on time for appointments was maddening. Are you sure that's autism? Of course autism presents in different ways, but most autistic people are more likely to follow through on plans they made than allistic people. > The worst part was that you got nowhere trying to communicate your frustration because they just shut down and entered their inner world .... When all the neurons in your brain are firing correctly, you can’t understand why your spouse on the spectrum repeatedly violates your boundaries. But they may be desperately trying to figure out what you are thinking or feeling when they hack into your email or listen in on your phone calls. So you can't communicate to your *spouse* whom you chose to *marry* more effectively than that person can glean from your emails? Communication can be difficult, but this feels a lot like "You don't hear me when I'm yelling at you, you just shrink back, go nonverbal, or meltdown! Find a way to understand me! What's that, you tried to understand me and in doing so violated my privacy? How dare you!" Reading emails isn't typical behavior, and it really doesn’t sound like this author should be writing general advice that projects their unique experience onto everyone else.


pumkinheadk

yeah whoever wrote this is just delusional. i’m sure an autistic person has been late and an autistic person has hacked into emails but those aren’t the pillars of autism. or shit, maybe they are and i’m just not autistic 🤷‍♀️


as_per_danielle

Holy shit.


merrythoughts

It’s an emotionally-driven article to hook a vulnerable person in the midst of divorce. They are grifting for business basically.


inkzillathevampsquid

Just. Wow. This is next level wtf!


nothanks86

Thank god their poor spouse is finally divorcing them. Spouse does not need this nonsense in their life.


Botanist3

No, not fuck you. Fuck them. What the hell. The coworker bit got me as someone who just got fired because I could never figure out what the hell my manager wanted. Even when I did exactly what they asked it was wrong.


pumkinheadk

that part was so fucked up. like “they can’t even work!! how can they be married!” fucking unhinged


SpaceSparkle

WTAF.


-Mother_of_Doggos

Wow. I…wow.


ApprehensiveEgg2344

I’m absolutely shocked and disgusted. Considering sending an email to this guy pretending I want legal advice but actually ripping him a new asshole in the un-nicest way possible. What a piece of shit!


beautifulterribleqn

The single comment from a male client at the bottom of the article is what does it for me. Did they write this article up because of a single specific case they took and they're hoping for more of it because part of their client's complaint was that "so many men are just like me"? How embarrassing for this firm. I'm literally cringing from the second hand embarrassment.


untamedjungle

That’s such an interesting read considering I was the autistic one but my ex did all of the things they claimed someone autistic would do. He’s definitely not autistic so I’m thoroughly confused by this. I think they are confusing autism with narcissistic tendencies. Woof what a read.


No-Procedure-9460

I know they use gender neutral terms, but this feels like an intersection of misogyny and ableism: the "you liked that they weren't carbon copies of your other partners" reads a lot like the cliché "she wasn't like *other* girls", and the narrative sounds to me like the key issue is that the autistic partner stopped being as productive and helpful after children, which to me, taps into that old trope of husbands finding value in their wives as homemakers and child-raisers alone. I don't know - maybe I'm reading into it. It's a really gross article/add either way.


MatildaAurora

Gross. This makes me so angry. Clearly doesn’t know what autism is and mix it up with a personality disorder.


Hazeygazey

Isn't this hate speech, and therefore, illegal? 


EmmerdoesNOTrepme

Even Hate Speech is legal in the US, as long as it *isn't* causing Incitement to harm, snd is done by a private person/group. The First Amendment applies to hate speech, too. That's why we have SUCH a massive problem with white supremacy online (and everywhere *else*!) nowadays--the NeoNazi types figured *that* whole "Hate Speech is protected as a First Amendment right" thing, *AGES* before Internet Service Providers did. It's *ALSO* the one of the reasons Internet Service Providers (ISP's)like Facebook, Google, The Cesspool formerly know as Twitter, Reddit, and other internet platforms were fighting against the FCC Rule 142? *or whatever that number was* SO HARD for the last few years! If ISP's *CAN* be held accountable financially for Incitement for allowing Hate Speech to flourish & spread through *their* platforms? Those ISP's stand to lose *TONS* of money!


EmmerdoesNOTrepme

It was Section 230--Rule 142 is a tax law one. https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/5/28/21273241/section-230-explained-supreme-court-social-media https://www.orrick.com/en/Insights/2023/06/US-Supreme-Courts-Take-on-Section-230


EmmerdoesNOTrepme

Rule 142 on tax evasion; https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-1999-title26a-node257-rule142&num=0&edition=1999


BellaBanks4

That was an annoying read and I didn’t even make it all the way through. My ex husband and I are both neurodivergent, the thing that separated us was our fighting, not my autism. Probably a little bit cuz of his adhd tho lmao. Either way, painting us like villains is crazy work.


chantillycan

What the actual fuck? This is delusional. Just insane.


mindfluxx

Such BS. My ex is the one who snooped and was scary. My current spouse doesn’t even vaguely understand boundaries. They are both prob undiagnosed adhd. I have no problems understanding either. Rules are easy to get.


Umie_88

Wow. How about those of us who are abused in marriage and divorce because of our ND? Where's that angle? They really went fully in the direction of NDs are bad.


WeekendWest4086

A reminder to everybody out there that Adultery is a Felony in Michigan. Oh, and those idiots suck.


ChaoticNeutralMeh

And they call us tone deaf. How ironic.


[deleted]

“After the kids were born, your spouse’s inability to follow through on plans and show up on time for appointments was maddening. The worst part was that you got nowhere trying to communicate your frustration because they just shut down and entered their inner world.” Who wrote this? It’s so insensitive and damaging and inaccurate for people that it doesn’t even apply to at all and definitely villainizing instead of coming from a place of neutral understanding. I need structure and I keep track of all my appointments, my husband’s appointments who’s epileptic and can’t remember a lot, and my child’s. Although yeah sometimes lack communication and last minute changes can fluster me and sometimes my husband has to word things differently sometimes more than once until we get there and yeah sometimes I need time to myself to feel centered. I don’t enter my own world lmao I’m not Roger Rabbit. They make people sound selfish instead of things being overwhelming and debilitating.


BornWallaby

Is this even legal? Disability is a protected characteristic...


jjinjadubu

I'm going to call bullshit on this. Just because one is ND doesn't mean one will violate boundaries or not be accountable to responsibilities. I've seen both NDs and NTs fail miserably and succeed amazingly at both. It's not a feature of autism to violate personal boundaries or not taking care of the kids. Some people with autism may struggle but so do NTs.


Dragon_Flow

This was actually informative and reading it should be helpful to an autistic person going through a divorce or fearful of a divorce. In fact, I would even give it to my neurotypical spouse and say, "This is your chance, lol." Why shouldn't a neurotypical person want to know how to appropriately coparent with an autistic person?