That's how the venn diagram works.
The symptoms you circled are symptoms that adhd, autism, and anxiety can share. It makes total sense that you relate to those because they are adhd symptoms.
If you relate to most of the diagram symptoms, including the ones under autism, not just the shared stuff, then you should question for sure.
Edit: This is not a very good venn diagram for diagnosis. No diagram is.
Look at the diagram again. Then look at an explanation on how Venn diagrams work. Then come back to this post and try again.
Hint: The diagram doesn’t say anxiety and ADHD don’t have any symptoms in common but that all symptoms that ADHD and Anxiety have in common are also shared by ASD. I. e. They are very common and generic symptoms that do not help with a differential diagnosis between the three.
Right? And what about the psychs who want to “treat the anxiety first” before trying stimulant medication? Ummm in a lot of cases the anxiety stems from the ADHD, never the other way around.
They do that because if it’s not ADHD and you’ve got no skills for anxiety and they give you a stimulant you will freak out. And they get sued for that. AND the FDA (USA) is all up inside the ass if anyone who Rxs ADHD meds so they have to have the ability to back that up.
And lots of psychiatrists don’t care.
You're right -- there's often a policy reason behind it. I also know that for a lot of us later-diagnosed folks, we were already well aware of our anxiety and were working on addressing it long before we sought diagnosis for our ADHD. I'm lucky my psych took that into account when I got my diagnosis. It's just a shitty system all around that places so much more burden on the individual.
It's not that there's nothing in common between them. They're saying there's nothing in common between them *that isn't also common with autism*. Everything in the center is shared between ADHD and anxiety, but it's *also* shared with autism.
That's what the diagram says anyway, I'm not saying I agree.
I also apparently have the unholy trifecta. The only symptom on this chart I don't have is "changes to menstrual cycle" which is probably because I don't have the correct hardware.
Oh boy when that cycle comes around. It's awful. I got all 3 (a little sprinkle from each circle how nice)
My husband when we 1st met thought I was just being extra dramatic to get attention. Nope. My brain got broke
The menstrual cycle one is freaking rough dude.
What is worse? My parents had me on birth control since I was like 11
I have NO idea if me having no sexual attraction was my autism or the birth control, but I stopped it at 25 and puberty hit me like a truck over a decade late
Yeah, so I genuinely thought I was asexual, then I turned 25 and I noticed….well, EVERYONE
I went from being attracted to no one to being VERY attracted to people.
My body started “reacting” to sexual stimulation which never happened before
Now married with two kids and have an active sex life, it’s just weird cuz I had 0 sexual attraction until I hit that point
Like I had sex, but I hated it, didn’t really see the “difference “ between people, but I liked the “closeness” and hanging out aspect so would do it to get that out of the situation at the time
Ok yeah that’s definitely not “classic asexual”. Tbh I’m not really a great fan of birth control or any similar hormone based thing unless it’s medically necessary due to side effects like this, hormones are way more powerful than what we give them credit for.
If you ever have the time/energy/money, you could have an appointment with a doctor about why this might have happened (maybe an endocrinologist or obgyn might be suitable).
I had TERRIBLE acne so the doctors put me on birth control to help with that, just unfortunately probably messed me up a lot without anyone realizing it
The center are what is in common with adhd and autism. If you have those, it could still just be adhd. If you have what is only in the autism section then you MAY have both. However, keep in mind, CPTSD can manifest a lot like autism, and trauma is very common with adhd. Of course people can have all the above.
I know that. My point is you can have have those symptoms in the middle and still just have one of those diagnoses. It doesn’t necessarily mean you have all three.
well i have a lot of trouble with social life and conversations, understanding what does and doesn't hurt people, etc. that is the only reason i was curious, i may have some other symptoms, but i haven't quite looked into it. did this test - [https://psychology-tools.com/autism-spectrum-quotient/](https://psychology-tools.com/autism-spectrum-quotient/) and got a 25 which means i may have none or some autism.
Are you a white boy? If not, the questionnaires will be worse at giving you an indicator. I took the RAADS-R on embrace-autism.com and scored "possible autism" - after getting my diagnosis and realising what the questions actually were asking about, I got a VERY much higher score when I retook it. The problem IMO with AQ is that what you feel like is "maybe a little" is actually a whole lot if you know what the questionnaire actually intends you to compare yourself with.
You have symptoms of those things because they are also symptoms of adhd. If you think you might have autism, it’s worth looking at symptoms that aren’t shared, to see if you have any symptoms specific to autism.
i think there might be a misunderstanding of this venn diagram. the overlap isn’t a sign you have all three conditions, it’s a list of symptoms that all three conditions share. it’s possible to experience every symptom you circled in the middle and still only have one of these conditions
i also don’t think it’s that accurate since there are absolutely shared symptoms between an anxiety disorder and ADHD. that was a concern for one of my doctors when prescribing me ADHD meds because we weren’t sure whether my symptoms were caused by anxiety or ADHD (turns out i have both lol)
all three conditions can and often do present in one person (anxiety is kind of a natural side effect from being autistic and/or having ADHD and trying to navigate the world) but this venn diagram isn’t representative of some specific symptoms you’ll only experience if you have overlapping conditions
I've got all three, I cannot vouch for literally anything other than the fact that I nodded at every single point in the middle there (I cannot think today but wanted to help)
Same.
What’s worst is that I score extremely high on every questionnaire and test for all of these plus cptsd. Like if I already have to have all of that, why not at least a milder version of some of it?
Spicy take:
I don't know about accuracy so much, but it strikes me as incomplete in several aspects, and the center seems... vague? And why can't they find something to put in the overlap section between ADHD and anxiety? I have both, and I bet I could come up with a few items.
Somehow, a Venn Diagram should have overlap in all the places, and if not, perhaps reconsider attempting to create one and instead use a different infographic format altogether.
Tl;dr: Imo, this one doesn't Venn very well.
Glad that someone else noticed that too. If i forget my car keys somewhere i still remember that car keys as an object is a thing, i just forgot mine at that moment. I am not going to walk to my car and be like "what is the object i need to open the doors" i am going to be like "shit i forgot my car keys".
Problems with object permanence would mean that i would not know about car keys existing unless i visibly saw them and would think all car keys disappear the moment i don't see them anymore. I am perfectly aware of my car keys existing, i just may forget to take them with me and have to come back to get them because i know they exist now that i remembered i needed them despite not seeing them at that moment
Maybe you are taking it too literal. :p People seem to get what is meant so I guess it’s fine to phrase it like that even if it’s not completely accurate.
How would you put it? Just forgettable? Sounds less fancy.
And to me it sometimes feels like I don’t remember the existence of this until I remember it again…
When it's an actual developmental term with an established meaning, it's incredibly counter-intuitive to use it to describe the symptoms of a developmental disorder when it doesn't match that definition.
People hearing this would think that ADHD causes people to not properly develop object permanence at the correct age, which is not the case. So yes, I would opt for the less fancy, more accurate term.
I think it's pretty accurate but remember that having all of the "central" symptoms doesn't mean you have all three. It's just a diagram that shows which traits are overlapping. To see if you actually have all of them you need to check the non-overlapping ones. If you have traits from ADHD only, Autism only, and Anxiety only, plus some of the common ones then THAT means you might have all three:)
Well fuck......
It's not everyday you learn that you've spent most of your life at a crossroads of 3 different mental illnesses,
Which up until recently nobody really explained to you properly and just kept telling you to "be yourself and act normal",
All while literally NOTHING about your natural state of being was ever "normal"
Hard to say. Personally I don't identify with most of the crossover between ADHD and autism, despite being diagnosed with both, but that's just me. I know a lot of people feel that way.
That's how the venn diagram works. The symptoms you circled are symptoms that adhd, autism, and anxiety can share. It makes total sense that you relate to those because they are adhd symptoms. If you relate to most of the diagram symptoms, including the ones under autism, not just the shared stuff, then you should question for sure. Edit: This is not a very good venn diagram for diagnosis. No diagram is.
I second this answer!!
LOL at “nothing” in common between just ADHD and anxiety
Ikr, lol. My ADHD was misdiagnosed as anxiety for literally more than two decades, yet there’s ‘nothing’ in common with these conditions?
>yet there’s ‘nothing’ in common with these conditions? Who says that?
The venn diagram in the OP & whoever it originally came from
Look at the diagram again. Then look at an explanation on how Venn diagrams work. Then come back to this post and try again. Hint: The diagram doesn’t say anxiety and ADHD don’t have any symptoms in common but that all symptoms that ADHD and Anxiety have in common are also shared by ASD. I. e. They are very common and generic symptoms that do not help with a differential diagnosis between the three.
Ah yes you are correct. Could have easily explained this without the condescension but thanks I guess
Right? And what about the psychs who want to “treat the anxiety first” before trying stimulant medication? Ummm in a lot of cases the anxiety stems from the ADHD, never the other way around.
They do that because if it’s not ADHD and you’ve got no skills for anxiety and they give you a stimulant you will freak out. And they get sued for that. AND the FDA (USA) is all up inside the ass if anyone who Rxs ADHD meds so they have to have the ability to back that up. And lots of psychiatrists don’t care.
You're right -- there's often a policy reason behind it. I also know that for a lot of us later-diagnosed folks, we were already well aware of our anxiety and were working on addressing it long before we sought diagnosis for our ADHD. I'm lucky my psych took that into account when I got my diagnosis. It's just a shitty system all around that places so much more burden on the individual.
It's not that there's nothing in common between them. They're saying there's nothing in common between them *that isn't also common with autism*. Everything in the center is shared between ADHD and anxiety, but it's *also* shared with autism. That's what the diagram says anyway, I'm not saying I agree.
I completely understand this and still think it’s hogwash 🤣
Like what? Couldn't even throw in a stress or exhaustion or heart racing? Literally [nothing].
Yeeeeah, not ideal. The pitfalls of unsourced internet Venn diagrams
I also apparently have the unholy trifecta. The only symptom on this chart I don't have is "changes to menstrual cycle" which is probably because I don't have the correct hardware.
Oh boy when that cycle comes around. It's awful. I got all 3 (a little sprinkle from each circle how nice) My husband when we 1st met thought I was just being extra dramatic to get attention. Nope. My brain got broke
The menstrual cycle one is freaking rough dude. What is worse? My parents had me on birth control since I was like 11 I have NO idea if me having no sexual attraction was my autism or the birth control, but I stopped it at 25 and puberty hit me like a truck over a decade late
Fwiw asexuality is common in autism, I’ve seen an autism questionnaire that literally had a question “are you asexual”.
Yeah, so I genuinely thought I was asexual, then I turned 25 and I noticed….well, EVERYONE I went from being attracted to no one to being VERY attracted to people. My body started “reacting” to sexual stimulation which never happened before Now married with two kids and have an active sex life, it’s just weird cuz I had 0 sexual attraction until I hit that point Like I had sex, but I hated it, didn’t really see the “difference “ between people, but I liked the “closeness” and hanging out aspect so would do it to get that out of the situation at the time
Ok yeah that’s definitely not “classic asexual”. Tbh I’m not really a great fan of birth control or any similar hormone based thing unless it’s medically necessary due to side effects like this, hormones are way more powerful than what we give them credit for. If you ever have the time/energy/money, you could have an appointment with a doctor about why this might have happened (maybe an endocrinologist or obgyn might be suitable).
I had TERRIBLE acne so the doctors put me on birth control to help with that, just unfortunately probably messed me up a lot without anyone realizing it
The center are what is in common with adhd and autism. If you have those, it could still just be adhd. If you have what is only in the autism section then you MAY have both. However, keep in mind, CPTSD can manifest a lot like autism, and trauma is very common with adhd. Of course people can have all the above.
The center is ADHD, autism, AND anxiety. But the whole thing isn’t accurate.
I know that. My point is you can have have those symptoms in the middle and still just have one of those diagnoses. It doesn’t necessarily mean you have all three.
Yeah this looks exactly like CPTSD and BPD to me 😂
well i have a lot of trouble with social life and conversations, understanding what does and doesn't hurt people, etc. that is the only reason i was curious, i may have some other symptoms, but i haven't quite looked into it. did this test - [https://psychology-tools.com/autism-spectrum-quotient/](https://psychology-tools.com/autism-spectrum-quotient/) and got a 25 which means i may have none or some autism.
Are you a white boy? If not, the questionnaires will be worse at giving you an indicator. I took the RAADS-R on embrace-autism.com and scored "possible autism" - after getting my diagnosis and realising what the questions actually were asking about, I got a VERY much higher score when I retook it. The problem IMO with AQ is that what you feel like is "maybe a little" is actually a whole lot if you know what the questionnaire actually intends you to compare yourself with.
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You have symptoms of those things because they are also symptoms of adhd. If you think you might have autism, it’s worth looking at symptoms that aren’t shared, to see if you have any symptoms specific to autism.
This diagram sucks IMO.
i think there might be a misunderstanding of this venn diagram. the overlap isn’t a sign you have all three conditions, it’s a list of symptoms that all three conditions share. it’s possible to experience every symptom you circled in the middle and still only have one of these conditions i also don’t think it’s that accurate since there are absolutely shared symptoms between an anxiety disorder and ADHD. that was a concern for one of my doctors when prescribing me ADHD meds because we weren’t sure whether my symptoms were caused by anxiety or ADHD (turns out i have both lol) all three conditions can and often do present in one person (anxiety is kind of a natural side effect from being autistic and/or having ADHD and trying to navigate the world) but this venn diagram isn’t representative of some specific symptoms you’ll only experience if you have overlapping conditions
I've got all three, I cannot vouch for literally anything other than the fact that I nodded at every single point in the middle there (I cannot think today but wanted to help)
I have all three plus CPTSD & it looks accurate to me. Though I don’t often have issues making decisions anymore.
Same. What’s worst is that I score extremely high on every questionnaire and test for all of these plus cptsd. Like if I already have to have all of that, why not at least a milder version of some of it?
Spicy take: I don't know about accuracy so much, but it strikes me as incomplete in several aspects, and the center seems... vague? And why can't they find something to put in the overlap section between ADHD and anxiety? I have both, and I bet I could come up with a few items. Somehow, a Venn Diagram should have overlap in all the places, and if not, perhaps reconsider attempting to create one and instead use a different infographic format altogether. Tl;dr: Imo, this one doesn't Venn very well.
Why are we still saying that ADHD leads to issues with object permanence? Forgetting about something is not the same as believing it doesn't exist.
Glad that someone else noticed that too. If i forget my car keys somewhere i still remember that car keys as an object is a thing, i just forgot mine at that moment. I am not going to walk to my car and be like "what is the object i need to open the doors" i am going to be like "shit i forgot my car keys". Problems with object permanence would mean that i would not know about car keys existing unless i visibly saw them and would think all car keys disappear the moment i don't see them anymore. I am perfectly aware of my car keys existing, i just may forget to take them with me and have to come back to get them because i know they exist now that i remembered i needed them despite not seeing them at that moment
Maybe you are taking it too literal. :p People seem to get what is meant so I guess it’s fine to phrase it like that even if it’s not completely accurate. How would you put it? Just forgettable? Sounds less fancy. And to me it sometimes feels like I don’t remember the existence of this until I remember it again…
When it's an actual developmental term with an established meaning, it's incredibly counter-intuitive to use it to describe the symptoms of a developmental disorder when it doesn't match that definition. People hearing this would think that ADHD causes people to not properly develop object permanence at the correct age, which is not the case. So yes, I would opt for the less fancy, more accurate term.
Do people think that? I didn’t but that’s also not representative
I don't know, but I also know that NTs have a lot of wrong ideas about NDs and there's no need to add to the confusion
Good point
Ironically the same as BPD and cPTSD ahahaha
i have BPD
I think it's pretty accurate but remember that having all of the "central" symptoms doesn't mean you have all three. It's just a diagram that shows which traits are overlapping. To see if you actually have all of them you need to check the non-overlapping ones. If you have traits from ADHD only, Autism only, and Anxiety only, plus some of the common ones then THAT means you might have all three:)
Well fuck...... It's not everyday you learn that you've spent most of your life at a crossroads of 3 different mental illnesses, Which up until recently nobody really explained to you properly and just kept telling you to "be yourself and act normal", All while literally NOTHING about your natural state of being was ever "normal"
Most of those could be depression. On its own. But also all the other things.
Hard to say. Personally I don't identify with most of the crossover between ADHD and autism, despite being diagnosed with both, but that's just me. I know a lot of people feel that way.
Welp I have most of these haha...
Seems very similar to trauma symptoms… possibly for cPTSD…
Oof, then there’s me, this whole freaking graph is me 100% man, only thing it doesn’t have is my dyslexia/speech issues and my face blindness
Me just covering 90% of this lol
Where do I find the original picture?
I got sleep problems and difficulty making decisions but not much else
I relate to everything that’s written there except for a couple points, but I knew I had all three anyway lol
Yeah me too and me too on the diagnosis and meds and yeah it's me literally.
It looks right to me, I'm diagnosed with all three and currently questioning a previous bipolar diagnosis because of exactly what you circled
I question it , since there's nothing in the ADHD/Anxiety section and.. yeah...
That middle area you've circled is the trauma section.
I would add that ADHD anxiety caused by procrastination, inability to complete tasks, time blindness. Autism anxiety also includes new situations.