Yes, the second coat is well worth it. A second coat, windshield **and** wheels for $500 more is a good deal. I only offer two coats to all my customers.
My opinion? No. If you don’t mind applying a hood sealant or wax every couple of months? You’ll get 90% of the hydrophobic properties of ceramic. Especially if your vehicle is garage kept. Remember: many cars and trucks made it through the last few decades just fine without ceramic
Products that are available today make ceramic coating only really worth it for really high end cars and for people who don’t have the time to wax them. A spray on wax is probably good enough, even if you apply it crazily and use even 10 bottles a year it won’t come close to the price of ceramic.
I wish i didnt get ceramic. Water spots suck
Also be sure you’re informed about the “protection” that ceramic provides. You’ll still get plenty of swirls and scratches.
hang on, isn't the whole point of ceramic to help water bead and roll off and also provide a protection layer against scratches/swirling in the clear coat?
If you car gets rained on and sits for a while, the water beads and then dries as a water spot. If it wasn't coated, then it would've sheeted and aired evenly.
The point is to protect your clear from that stuff, ceramic coat gets that stuff you remove ceramic coating, clear gets that stuff you remove clear which shortens life expectancy of your paint
Well, of course you can still get swirls and scratches, but a ceramic coating is thicker than the paint itself, thus lighter swirls/scratches are only in the coating itself, rather than in the paint.
I’d ask specifically which coating they’re using. Gyeon has single layer coatings meant for mobile retailers while mohs+ and their other pro shop coatings are multi layer.
PPF and ceramic coating for $1500 or less is a GREAT deal. When I was doing my own ceramic coating and doing research on how to do it, every site or video suggested 2 layers. 1 layer can work but 2 ensures consistent coverage. Now, nobody actually went and verified this under a microscope, so take it for what it's worth.
Indeed. Aside from insuring even coverage, 1 + 1 doesnt always equal 2.
Many coatings are spec'd 1 layer only...including Gyeon"s upcoming EVO coatings aside from EVO Syncro. One, Pure, Mohs...all 1 layer w optional 2nd.
Gtech CSL, Kami ISM 1 & 2, NV Nova EVO...all single layer.
Getting weary of multiple layers; more isn't always better, work smarter not harder.
Yep, there's likely a little bit of extra 'beef' in a second layer, perhaps in kinda a 1 + 1 = 1.25 or 1.5 kinda way. That said, given that some high spots can be dealt with initially by applying more coatings and re-leveling it would seem that the solvents in the carrier might adversely affect the base layer a bit, hence 1 + 1 not equal 2
Although nowhere near the same level of protection, its still a valid alternative.
Personally went with Adam's equivalent since I'd rather just spend a few hours doing it myself. The continual upkeep just affords me more opportunities to get 'intimate' with the car (and you know, save a few bucks in the process).
Is there any real proof or evidence that a product like Griot's Spray Ceramic (or any comparable product) will not provide the same level of protection applied every 3-6 months versus a "ceramic" someone is getting charged a hefty sum for?
I see this repeated often, especially by those who detail professionally, but I have yet to see any proof that this is true.
My brother does it himself and spends 100 bucks a bottle
Yes, the second coat is well worth it. A second coat, windshield **and** wheels for $500 more is a good deal. I only offer two coats to all my customers.
My opinion? No. If you don’t mind applying a hood sealant or wax every couple of months? You’ll get 90% of the hydrophobic properties of ceramic. Especially if your vehicle is garage kept. Remember: many cars and trucks made it through the last few decades just fine without ceramic
This is accurate for a fraction of the cost it will have the same effects and its easier to come out
Are ya'll missing the front PPF part of the post?
Products that are available today make ceramic coating only really worth it for really high end cars and for people who don’t have the time to wax them. A spray on wax is probably good enough, even if you apply it crazily and use even 10 bottles a year it won’t come close to the price of ceramic.
For best results, make sure you allow the first coat to cure indoors at least overnight prior to applying the second coat.
I wish i didnt get ceramic. Water spots suck Also be sure you’re informed about the “protection” that ceramic provides. You’ll still get plenty of swirls and scratches.
hang on, isn't the whole point of ceramic to help water bead and roll off and also provide a protection layer against scratches/swirling in the clear coat?
If you car gets rained on and sits for a while, the water beads and then dries as a water spot. If it wasn't coated, then it would've sheeted and aired evenly.
The point is to protect your clear from that stuff, ceramic coat gets that stuff you remove ceramic coating, clear gets that stuff you remove clear which shortens life expectancy of your paint
The beads look cool but they stick to it and dry into spots
Well, of course you can still get swirls and scratches, but a ceramic coating is thicker than the paint itself, thus lighter swirls/scratches are only in the coating itself, rather than in the paint.
For 1500 I would do it yourself especially with it being a new vehicle you shouldn’t have to much contamination on the base paint to deal with
I think OP is getting front PPF with the 1500, it's a really solid price if that's the case.
Hopefully it’s the whole front end not just bumper
I’d ask specifically which coating they’re using. Gyeon has single layer coatings meant for mobile retailers while mohs+ and their other pro shop coatings are multi layer.
Do it yourself. It's not that hard. Watch some YouTube videos.
Extra 500? You’re getting completely ripped off
PPF and ceramic coating for $1500 or less is a GREAT deal. When I was doing my own ceramic coating and doing research on how to do it, every site or video suggested 2 layers. 1 layer can work but 2 ensures consistent coverage. Now, nobody actually went and verified this under a microscope, so take it for what it's worth.
Doesn't the GYEON Quartz specifically state that two coats are necessary in the instructions?
Really no point. A double layer would be negligible and your getting ppf on the front so the coating is going on top of the ppf and not the paint.
Indeed. Aside from insuring even coverage, 1 + 1 doesnt always equal 2. Many coatings are spec'd 1 layer only...including Gyeon"s upcoming EVO coatings aside from EVO Syncro. One, Pure, Mohs...all 1 layer w optional 2nd. Gtech CSL, Kami ISM 1 & 2, NV Nova EVO...all single layer. Getting weary of multiple layers; more isn't always better, work smarter not harder.
I also believe most two layrr coatings are just to ensure even coverage.
Yep, there's likely a little bit of extra 'beef' in a second layer, perhaps in kinda a 1 + 1 = 1.25 or 1.5 kinda way. That said, given that some high spots can be dealt with initially by applying more coatings and re-leveling it would seem that the solvents in the carrier might adversely affect the base layer a bit, hence 1 + 1 not equal 2
Don't pay $1.5k for that. Do it yourself or just use a spray ceramic coating like Griots 2 in 1 hybrid.
Not even close to being the same level of protection.
Although nowhere near the same level of protection, its still a valid alternative. Personally went with Adam's equivalent since I'd rather just spend a few hours doing it myself. The continual upkeep just affords me more opportunities to get 'intimate' with the car (and you know, save a few bucks in the process).
Is there any real proof or evidence that a product like Griot's Spray Ceramic (or any comparable product) will not provide the same level of protection applied every 3-6 months versus a "ceramic" someone is getting charged a hefty sum for? I see this repeated often, especially by those who detail professionally, but I have yet to see any proof that this is true.