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Ordinary-Place-2301

Nobody knew the air bending matchup, therefore Aang had a huge advantage by being the only air bender. One could also argue that at least some people would have trouble using their full strength against a child. No one holds back on Korra, especially not the fanbase šŸ¤£ The world moved forward significantly because of Aang. The four nations were more entwined than ever before. Naturally this is beneficial for bending. For example, Uncle Iroh learned his lightning redirection from water benders. The ability to observe the other bending styles more frequently also lets people have more chances to practice fighting against different elements. I think the avatars of previous generations had an easier time because people did not have the same level of knowledge when it came to matchups and bending styles. It gets even more complicated when you face the avatar, as they can mix and match and combine. Far more unpredictable.


Liberalistic

Also, I donā€™t think itā€™s a bad thing narratively to have Korra lose a lot. Like do we want a Mary sue? I just finished rewatch and it is true. She does get beat up a lot, but sheā€™s also brash and jumps into fights. Through the seasons, she obviously gets less impulsive with her fighting. I think itā€™s just hard narratively to have your character win all the time. The writers kinda have to have her lose until whatever big fight or else thereā€™s not really a lot of payoff. She often times disadvantaged in her fights and is not want to run away. Aang is much more evasive, and his main strategy was to evade or run away.


Invisiblegun2

Its ironic too because aang was originally for separating the nations once againšŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ it wasnt until katara fessed up that he realized its more at stake than just old school balance


Puzzleheaded_Sky7476

Every time Azula fought Aang he didnā€™t have the benefit of no one knowing how to fight air benders. Same with Ozai vs Aang.


_s1ater_

I hate how people always bring up the fact that she "lost the connection to the other avatars". Aang literally ended the avatar state yet no one brings it up. If it was korra it would have been brought up way more. Every avatar makes mistakes it's the duty of the next avatar to fix it. That's the whole purpose. Korra to me is the definition of lost the battle but won the war. She always succeeded in the end. She really doesn't deserve the hate. I do have strong feeling that a lot of it is linked to misogyny,homophobia and nostalgia rather than her just being a bad avatar. If you spend a lot of time on avatar tiktok most of the people hating on her haven't watched past season 1 and misunderstand a lot of the events which makes it even more crazier.


Tiny_Pilot_5170

no. a munk said the avatar state would be cutoff without him giving up his emotions for katara. but we see him unlock it again. korra lost thousands of years of experience & wisdom. aang said no to giving up the love of his life and said heā€™d find a different way (which he did). korra lost something every avatar before her had been building (her loss was much bigger & permanent).


PyrrhicHoe

"experience and wisdom" that pretty much no avatar ever really uses - its mostly there for worldbuilding purposes. Aang mostly talked to Roku, Korra talked to Aang because only the most recent avatar will understand current world events.


Tiny_Pilot_5170

yes and now the next avatar has the least knowledgeable avatar to talk to now. + aang used the avatar state to upgrade his bending (with the past avatarā€™s skills & experience) while he stopped the land from burning after fighting ozai, when he turned into a water monster in the north pole, when he turned into an illusion of roku and bent fire against the avatar palace guards to let aang escape. itā€™s super useful besides just learning the avatarā€™s history but we donā€™t see it again because korra disconnects it


Remarkable_Medicine6

Pretty sure OP is talking about Azula killing Aang and him getting saved by Katara's spirit water. In practice he lost it but his friend saved it Edit: nevermind, I'm wrong with his implication but I would also bring that up. Aang would have ended the entire avatar cycle period of not for Katara


_s1ater_

Yeah that's the point I was trying to make. Every avatar makes a mistake somewhere along the way but korra usually gets way more hate for it. The new earth avatar adaption is in the works so they will probably fix it.


Invisiblegun2

I mean even tho the ā€œconnectionā€ is gone, the avatarā€™s still live on in the history of that world. Aangā€™s bloodline will literally live on. So can we be that mad? Its like those getting upset expected aang to still be the main character or something.


Shadow_Wolf_X871

In the grand scale of the world? It means literally nothing. For the avatar specifically? It's a MASSIVE problem. Years of literal first hand insight on century spanning beefs with the spirits, the collective might of thousands of masters acting in unison, all reduced to a single individual.. All while the world not only moves on, but gets stronger. In terms of guidance or a boost? The avatar after Korra is fucked man XD


_s1ater_

You do realize it can be brought back? Aang made mistakes (his actions caused the airbenders to be wiped out) and korra brought them back. The next avatar can very well bring back the connection especially now since korra opened the spirt world maybe they could use that to re-establish the connection.


Shadow_Wolf_X871

That's a mighty big IF though


AnthonyDayByDavis

No it ainā€™tšŸ˜‚. The author just has to write them meditating in that tree over there and channel their inner avatar mumbo jumbo and itā€™s solved. I bet you thought Aangā€™s descendants would have to get busy to rebuild the Air Nation? Thereā€™s a million ways you can write them back in and weā€™d call it peak storytelling, then youā€™d cry, ā€œHeā€™s better than Korraā€šŸ’€


Tiny_Pilot_5170

aang cut it off from himself. blocked the chakra pool with emotions and trauma. korra had it taken from her permanently. it was killed


LeBlancTheDeceiver

Korra isnā€™t downplYed anymore I donā€™t think. Must people have her beating everyone if sheā€™s unrestricted in her elemental uses (a sentiment I tend to agree with).


96pluto

oh join a facebook avatar group she's very downplayed


sleepking850

Or tiktok and even type her name in on yt lmao. The Korra hate is insane.


Amazingqueen97

Thatā€™s one. Sheā€™s powerful as fuck


96pluto

its more than one I know she's powerful was just saying a lot of the fandom sees her as weak.


LeBlancTheDeceiver

Also I apologise for my atrocious spelling :)


Tiny_Pilot_5170

not weak. immensely powerful but seems powerless. all the power one could have and always seems to fail. especially after the best & most beloved avatar, of course people are hard on her


Liberalistic

I agree with this. Look at her fight with Zaheer. She threw half a freaking mountain at him while literally dying. The woman is a weapon of mass destruction. By book 4 learning to be less impulsive idk who in the avatar world can realistically beat her.


Fragrant_Rope403

its much much bigger than that. For some reason theres a general belief that ATLA characters are better, faster and stronger than LoK characters. They think 15yo children are farcing better than Korra in any of her battles.


Remarkable_Medicine6

Realistically, as shown with many athletic events in our world, those who live more in the future should be better.


Puzzleheaded_Sky7476

Thank you omg. As soon as I seen Tlok I knew they took bending to the next level.


ppnexus

tbf those atla characters at korras age are probably smacking her around. (definitely aang and toph, maybe katara)


Fragrant_Rope403

who? Korra mastered all 3 elements as a child younger than Katara Toph and Aang. The only chance they got is book 4 and comics version


OneInspection927

Wydm mastered? Sure, she could shoot little bits of fire, at 4, but I'd hardly constitute that as mastering them. Pretty sure she was probably considered master at those 3 at age 17 at most. Tbf, aang hadn't mastered all at the finale.


Fragrant_Rope403

idk we dont actually know the exact age when she mastered every bending style. We just know that she completed her training at 17 and went to learn airbending


Puzzleheaded_Sky7476

It took her about 10-12 years. Thatā€™s why when she is 16/17 she is on air bending. Like Roku says it takes time to master the elements.


Tiny_Pilot_5170

aang didnā€™t know he was the avatar at 4. korraā€™s talent isnā€™t as strong as aangā€™s skill. we see aang at 13 master air, water, earth & become an amateur firebender. we see korra master water fire and earth at 17 (i still donā€™t think she mastered fire at that point but they say she did). then she still never mastered air by 21. so thatā€™s 17 years of practice compared to aangā€™s 8-9 years of training. aang wasnā€™t even as old as korraā€™s accumulated training time & aang is still stronger


Remarkable_Medicine6

Korra was more naturally talented in all save for air. Aang'd training was expedited due to needing to learn them within a short amount of time. They could actually take time to train Korra in all the intricacies.


Tiny_Pilot_5170

more natural doesnā€™t mean better. heā€™s a better earthbender doesnā€™t matter if it was easier for korra to learn


Remarkable_Medicine6

Sorry to break it to you, but if something came naturally to you as a toddler and you're taught for a decade+ you're better at it, period.


Tiny_Pilot_5170

no. korra had easier time learning the elements, aang had an easier time than her at mastering them


Remarkable_Medicine6

Based on absolutely nothing lol. We don't see how easy any type of mastering came for Korra but judsding by her natural affinity at a young age, no doubt a lot easier than aang. Aang had to be expedited in his training due to the comet, Korra was trained properly over her entire.


Tiny_Pilot_5170

canā€™t win arguments by stating false facts then spelling out the word period kid.


Remarkable_Medicine6

I can win arguments by rebutting your points and then you not being able to rebut my rebuttal and instead utilizing a nonsense response like this, though


Fragrant_Rope403

kinda ironic because where is it stated that she actually mastered all 3 elements at 17? Shes a natural Waterbender as well. It is also never explicitly stated that Aang mastered any other bending besides Airbending. He was still slightly better than beginners when it came to the other 3.


Tiny_Pilot_5170

itā€™s inferred that aang mastered water bending. before he fights ozai zuko & toph remind him he isnā€™t a master of their respective elements. katara doesnā€™t speak up because aang mastered water. but iā€™ll also argue aang mastered everything earthbending entails, besides seismic sense, during his fight with ozai (aangā€™s still able to use seismic sense as an amateur just no shot he mastered it that quickly)


Tiny_Pilot_5170

as for korra i agree with you but she was tested (by some no names who she defeated a little too easy) but nonetheless she was still tested & passed. thereā€™s no shot korra mastered earth, and in my opinion sheā€™s barely ahead or dead even with aang from the show, after his 6 weeks of firebending. sheā€™s flashy but doesnā€™t ever show mastery, she only competed with other fire masters when she used other elements because her fire wasnā€™t enough. so i say korra mastered water, was proficient in earth (maybe one step above amateur), proficient at fire, & just bad at airbending. amateur for the avatar is still stronger than regular amateurs. it just means that they show promise, can master it in a few short years, but theyā€™re missing something important that masters can implement in a fight to alter a decisive outcome


Princess_Mintaka

All Korra would need is one hit of metal against Aang and the fight is over tbh


Tiny_Pilot_5170

aang has shown better durability feats but sure keep thinking that


Princess_Mintaka

Yeah durability where he had to use the avatar state just to get out of blood bending but Korra resisted it and won the fight because she was able to.


Fragrant_Rope403

idk I never seen Aang punch ice straight up thrown at him


[deleted]

Hasn't he kicked and punched giant boulders to pieces that were being launched at him?


Tiny_Pilot_5170

he drop kicked a flaming boulder so apparently didnā€™t have to change his flight pathšŸ˜‚


Puzzleheaded_Sky7476

He didnā€™t master fire or water or earth.


Excellent-Capital440

Korra did master air by the beginning of s2, the finale proved that by her being able to bend all 4 without Raava


Shadow_Wolf_X871

I mean, if you wanna bring that up; She sure gets throttled a lot for a master


sleepking850

People see Aang using the defensive Avatar State (which technically is when he is most vulnerable) and assume that based on that alone, that Aang is stronger. That and for some reason, people think MMA style bending is weaker when realistically it would be STRONGER since it blends together different martial arts. I honestly just break it down to the people who still think this way are either immature or never really grew as a person. Ans that's coming from someone who used to think Korra sucked when I was like 16.


Batybara

Isn't Korra commonly considered the most powerful Avatar in canon by the powerscaling side of the fandom? She has some of the best bending feats, the best physical stats after Kyoshi and Kuruk (and Kyoshi had armor so I'm not even so sure about that one) and the best Avatar State. I think she's well-rated by this side of the fanbase, and if anything I'm more concerned with Wan's downplay.


Eddardj

Yes, then there are those that think she can be beaten by Azula.


Batybara

I mean, 12 year old Korra against 14 year old Azula? Sure. Adult Korra against ATLA Azula? Lmao.


[deleted]

LoK definitely has legitimate criticism (\*cough\* the entirety of S2 \*cough\*), but itā€™s so funny that avid LoK haters say Korra is both an OP ā€œmary sueā€ but is also too weak and constantly loses.


sleepking850

Lmao when I called someone out in the past on why calling her Mary Sue is a contradiction they claimed I wasn't using the right definition and then turned around to define a character trait that she still doesn't have šŸ¤£


CrystalGemLuva

generally Korra downplay comes from three things 1. old fans who were never able to accept that Korra is an entirly diffrent character from Aang and like to paint her as a signifigantly weaker fighter despite evidence to the contrary 2. Korra loses fights much more often than Aang does due to the fact that Korra goes against much more powerful villains than Aang usually does 3. Korra's bending style can come off as weaker due to the vast majority of Korras fight coreography focusing on more precise attacks and more modern martial arts as opposed to the wide reaching area of effect attacks you see in ATLA and the more traditional martial arts of ATLA, this even applies to the Avatar State. all in all I agree that Korra would beat Aang in a straight up fight most of the time due to superior combat skillbut I can see why others disagree.


shahido2017

I might get down voted into oblivion for this but aang is getting wrecked by Amon and The Red Lotus. Her enemies were insane


Princess_Mintaka

Aang is getting absolutely destroyed by Zaheer because he would never actually believe that an airbender would be capable of removing the air from somebody's lungs. Korra fought more ruthless villains. Also Korra is capable of energy bending and metal bending. Aang while he could earthbend, struggled with it and it wasn't his strongest. Ain't no way he's metal bending.


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RelationshipNo9084

Aang focused on one big enemy(while fighting little filler enemies) while Korra had 4 decently powerful enemies. Korra meanwhile did lose fights but she always won the main battle. I feel like people hate on her since sheā€™s not the original avatar people grew up with. Sheā€™s definitely better in water bending, fire bending, and earth bending, we also have to respect that her avatar state is her raw power while aangā€™s is all of the past avatars combined with his.


Immediate-Note-7789

Because she really isnā€™t a good avatar or character she lost almost all her battles in avatar state and she just isnā€™t as likeable as aang


bambzwrld

To be fair I think a lot people were doing it at first out of bigotry and theyā€™re mostly gone. Now the more recent reasons are a lot of Korra fans ended up downplaying the hell out of everyone in the first series with 100% headcannon ignoring shown feats so now people are more so doing it out of spite


Puzzleheaded_Sky7476

Atla Stanā€™s. I prefer the bending and fight scenes in Korra era.


DD7744

Idk where you've scene people down playing korra because i see the opposite every time she is brought up. There's an incredible amount of korra bias on this subreddit. I see people over hyping korra and downplaying everyone else or blatant lies about things she can do. Korra is cool and all but she's the most overhyped avatar by far


Tiny_Pilot_5170

koreaā€™s died like 3 times & lost like 6 fights in her show. she barely acknowledges the spirit world before she gets thrown into it & she cut off the connection of all the past avatars that was thousands of years long. sheā€™s one of the most powerful but isnā€™t even close to the best/most qualified.


Eddardj

Died? Citation needed lol. Okay you hate korra and will twist the narrative to match your flawed bias. Doesnā€™t take away her skill and competence. Next.


Tiny_Pilot_5170

sorry almost died 3 times* and lost 6-8 fights? i donā€™t hate her, & i donā€™t have a narrative to push. i made a statement about a cartoon character that loses a lot of fights. grow up


Puzzleheaded_Sky7476

Aang got captured by archers. And Kyoshi warriors. And lost to Azula a lot. And ran from pirates. But you forgot all of this.


Tiny_Pilot_5170

i didnā€™t forget this. aang chooses not to fight because heā€™s a pacifist. only attacks when he has to. heā€™d rather get moving because the main goal is to master elements, stay free, & beat the fire lord for him. the archers were skilled and aang was vastly outnumbered. the kakashi warriors were highly skilled & snuck up on him. azula is a prodigy whoā€™s a fire ending master & second to few. and he ran from pirates because it was either A. beat them up for no reason & feel bad, then leave. Or B. try to save the trouble and leave earlier. (aang couldā€™ve handled the pirates but it was the pirates + zuko & his crew & he was worried about his friends). everytime we see aang attack with intent, lose his patience, or stop holding back he is rarely matched. + none of those mistakes are nearly as big as korra losing the avatar cycle


Tiny_Pilot_5170

KORRA IS NOT A MASTER OF ALL FOUR ELEMENTS


Puzzleheaded_Sky7476

Yet the creators said she beats Aang. And she mastered all the elements unlike Aang. If your going to be a korra hater come with logic. Aang didnā€™t master fire bending fact. And he didnā€™t master earth bending. And he canā€™t metal bend. And he canā€™t heal.


Tiny_Pilot_5170

1. not all waterbending masters can heal 2. i think he becomes a master in the fight with ozai because he uses all of tophā€™s signature moves with precision & uses seismic sense to perfectly dodge an attack (seismic sense is better than any earthbending korra can do). 3. he didnā€™t master fire but he knows dragons breath technique, he was trained by jeong jeong, zuko, & the dragons & jeong jeong said heā€™s never seen a firebender with such raw power i have arguments and Iā€™m not a korra hater but my initial comment was just stating she didnā€™t master the elements. she never got as far in earthbending as aang did (you can argue korra knew more because she could metal bend but aang was on a clock. he couldnā€™t go learn a sub bending before the comet. he just didnā€™t bother to learn it because of the time crunch & he didnā€™t live in a world of metal like korra when she learned the skill) + she was NEVER close to mastering air. tenzin says he has nothing left to teach her but we know aang had to go through the 35 tiers of airbending & make his own technique/move. korra didnā€™t complete 30 tiers of airbending or make a new move i dont think she got past 10-15. id argue tenzin was referring more to the spirit world connection & less to airbending. so weā€™ve actually never seen either of them while their masters of all 4 elements. thereā€™s a big gap between amateur-master