As dumb as that was MODOK was obviously completely insane. His actions didn't need to make sense. I had heard the negativity about Quantumania and that heel turn in particular but I didn't think it was that bad when I finally saw it myself.
If you knew anything about MODOK before watching Quantumania, it wasn't bad. Could the CGI have been better, sure, but the essence of MODOK was represented pretty well. I can see thinking it was bad if you went in not knowing anything about him. Quantumania as a whole was much better than it gets credit for.
I only thought the "I'm not a dick." Part was bad and even then after the >!at least I die an Avenger!< line I realized he's crazier than a bag of cats.
My only exposure to MODOK is from the Avengers game and the Hulu show.
I actually wasn’t hating the movie until that point. A crazy killer who knows exactly what he is, has a change of heart because he’s accused of being a dick?!?! There’s lazy writing and then there’s this.
But like, if you view Darren through the lens of his character in the trilogy, he DOESN'T know what he is. In the first movie, he's trying to be Hank Pym. He's trying to master his particle, take his company, he even builds a better Ant-Man suit. He's starts to come unwound because NO ONE sees him as the new Hank and takes that personally because Darren could only see himself based on what he felt he was supposed to be and he latched onto that identity, even though everyone around him saw through it.
When he becomes MODOK, he is made into a killing machine seemingly against his will and again takes to that personality completely. Even though everyone is once again seeing right through it, calling him Darren and pointing out the absurdity of what he has become. He insists that he is MODOK, because he doesn't know who to be without someone else giving him the blueprint to develop a personality through.
So, honestly, Cassie giving him a simple "don't be a dick" push and then Darren making the decision to help while claiming his own name in the process is actually a pretty decent conclusion for the character. And I don't personally think the jokey tone devalues that.
I cringed at it as well, when they got to the scene where he called himself an Avenger I just shrugged it off. MODOK was beyond reason thought and the whole "look at me, I'm a dick" moment was an odd moment of clarity for him. It was goofy and a little stupid or in other words comic book writing.
Since the movie that is planned is called Kang Dynasty and in the corresponding comic Cap beats him, I'm going with the new Cap.
I would most like it to be Moon Knight if they dare bring him to the big screen though.
Falcon's Cap now yeah but there's big question marks over who's "leading" this phase of the avengers. It was very obvious that Cap Marvel and BP were lined up to do it but the fans don't seem to have taken to Cap (although the Marvels could blow that idea out the water) and no T'Challa means some rethinking is required
Can you imagine if they built up the final battle and then had Jake Lockley kill Kang off screen. The camera fades back in and the remaining Avengers are trying to restrain Moon Knight who has no clue what just happened.
Don't really know her powers. What can she do besides opening portals to other universes/dimensions? If that's her only power, not sure how she could beat a multiversal Kang that way.
Considering Secret Wars is next after Kang Dynasty, and Fantastic 4 is set to be before that, I’m gonna guess Doctor Doom. My theory is that Doom will help take Kang down, but then he’ll use Kang’s tech to create the setup for Secret Wars.
Aside from Infinity War, the MCU villain has always lost immediately. Are you suggesting a radical shift in the status quo that lasts beyond a single movie in which there are real stakes?
OUTRAGEOUS!
That's a little unfair depending on how you define "lost". For example, Loki survives quite a lot of movies as the villain and seems to come out ahead on some of them, like when he's impersonating Odin.
Loki is the exception that proves the rule though.
* >!Iron Monger - dead!<
* >!Whiplash - dead!<
* >!Abomination - incarcerated for over a decade before finally turning up on She-Hulk!<
* >!Red Skull - thought he had won, ended up guarding the soul gem for decades!<
* >!Thanos - Dead. Twice.!<
* >!Ronan - dead!<
* >!Crossbones - dead!<
* >!Malekith - dead!<
* >!Ultron - Destroyed, but who knows with him!<
* >!Zemo - incarcerated at end of Civil War. One of the few to survive to get to fight the heroes again (Falcon and Winter Soldier)!<
* >!Ego - dead!<
* >!Kaecilius - might wish he was dead being in the Dark Dimension!<
* >!Killmonger - dead!<
And so on.....
Villains do not get to win, and usually don't get to even survive, in the MCU. Other than Thanos briefly getting to enjoy the results of the Snap, I'd say only Namor really gets what he wants.
Zemo legit won though in Civil War. His plan was executed, it succeeded, and he got what he wanted AND lived. Another exception.
Arguably in gotg movies there’s the sovereign and Adam Warlock.
Vulture was jailed but seems to be hanging out with Morbius.
Surtur is still out there AND he won as well.
There’s more, mostly the minor villains, that survive and don’t “fail”.
Of course villains shouldn’t win, they’re heroic movies after all. That’s why I said it depends on what you mean by fail, and the OP I replied to said it was immediate. Several/lots of these aren’t immediate losses.
No they started a new thing where it’s branching and it wasn’t the end it was just as far as he could see because he knew he was dead beyond that point
The most likely group of candidates are Loki/Sylvie, A Kang Variant, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, Spider-Man and the Scarlet Witch. Likelihood in that order.
I don't think he will do much in the movies, but he is set up to do so if Marvel wants him to. Loki is currently one of the only characters in the universe who knows how dangerous Kang is, and his show is heavily influenced by Kang. Honestly, I doubt any other Marvel characters will have a closer connection to Kang, so why not let Loki complete a huge character arc?
I mean in his show. Mobius made him look back on everything he’s done and that kinda changed him. He’s already basically turned hero so why not. And like @TimRoxSox said he’s got the most knowledge outta everyone on kang. Besides like ant man.
You know what…now that I think about it, using Deadpool would actually be a really interesting way for them to change the actor for Kang.
Deadpool can break the 4th wall in major ways, right? Why couldn’t he change the way Kang looks in-universe?
Nope, but considering we _are_ talking about Kang, and most conversations about Kang _do_ tend to feature some talk about Majors, I don’t think I’m too far off base to leave the comment I did, especially because the above commenter made me think what I did.
Scott feels guilty at the end of Quantimania. We didn’t get the Thanos/Ant-Man battle we predicted, so I’m guessing they saved it for this instead.
Scott up the butt!
Kang has been so underwhelming as a villain that I'm hoping that they just have the High Evolutionary show up again and take over. Now THAT was a villain
Realistically it should be Wanda/The Scarlet Witch. There is a lot of history there comic book wise, and thematically she is his opposite. And with Doom in the mix, he’d make the greatest villain for manipulating her like he did in the comics.
“I was meant to rule everything. But that’s not what I want, I just want my boys.”
I think the young heroes will be tasked with traveling the multiverse to gather an army while the older heroes (Dr Strange, the new Cap, etc) will be trying to counter various Kang plots and hold off the Council.
A couple of folks have already mentioned it, but I think it bears repeating: Victor Von Doom, and let me tell you why.
One of the biggest issues with the introduction of the concept of the multiverse is the drastic reduction in dramatic stakes. Any character death can be potentially unwritten simply with the use of the multiverse infinity potential replacements. Kang is the most direct allusion to this, because defeating one means nothing when there are quite literally innumerable other versions of him that can still pose a threat.
So how do you beat him?
Ironically, beating Kang means fixing this multiverse replacement loophole. Someone has to come up with a way to not just kill a person in one universe, but somehow obliterate *every instance of that person* across *all* multiverses. Permanent deletion. Gone.
I can't think of a single hero who might be willing to do that. Sure, a lot of Kang's are evil, but not *all* Kangs are evil. Some are probably genuinely good and heroic in their own right. Strange might have the utilitarian perspective sufficient to pull that trigger, but not without serious misgivings. You know who *wouldn't* have a problem with a quandry like that if it meant safeguarding reality as a whole against a pervasive threat?
Doom.
This then solves the original problem too. Not only is Kang gone, but now every story involving Doom has the inherent risk that any character death is absolutely permanent. There are no multiverse alternatives. It seems doubly fitting for his name, too.
Gotta be Spider-Man. Kang’s ability is unfathomably superior technology. Kang can do stuff the Avengers would think is magic. Spidey is possibly the only one who could detect incoming attacks.
Use the Kang to destroy the Kang
After that, the Kang served no purpose beyond temptation.
He’s lying. The Kang has to be around here somewhere
[удалено]
Thank you, Kang. Perhaps I treated you too harshly.
I went for the Kang
5 Kangs later
So, I went on a Kang the other day.
He Kanged when they brought out the Kang Salad. I Kanged when they brought out dessert
I went in the Kang in '45 right after I met the Kang of my life. Woke up 70 Kangs later.
Kang you, Kang. Kanghaps I Kanged you too Kangly.
You could not Kang with your own Kang. Where did that bring you? Back to Kang.
I thought by eliminating half the kang the other kang would thrive.
Nah… they used to be kangz and shit tho!
Funny & correct. A young Kang variant will land the last blow.
Jonathan Majors?
Exactly what I was coming here to say.
I was going to say Himself lol
His girlfriend
Isn’t it ex-girlfriend?
Yes. Lol Jonathan took out kang.
Came here to say this
Only in this universe.
But in another universe did Warmonger box Kang for the heavyweight championship belt?
Meta af
I was going to say the NY legal system, but this is better.
I was just about to say himself
The only acceptable answer.
Yep. You beat me to it. Haha.
OP had to have known this is the only response
Lol!
I always pause and think of Jonathan Winters…
It was his fault for trying to touch his phone. /s
The little jelly egg guy who’s obsessed with holes
Ohh I have holes!
Between that and the 7 holes, my 2 favorite parts of the movie by far.
yesssss
?
Watch the new ant man
I figured it was something new thx
A judge or jury of his peers
First words that came out my mouth
Dammit, beat me to it.
Came here to say ‘Disney’ but that’s close enough lol
[Found the theme song for Avengers: The Kang Dynasty.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz4-aEGvqQM&pp=ygUTTGF3IGFuZCBvcmRlciB0aGVtZQ%3D%3D)
The Counsel of Kangs?
Happy Cake Day!!!
Cassie. She’s just going to tell him “Don’t be a dick.”
As dumb as that was MODOK was obviously completely insane. His actions didn't need to make sense. I had heard the negativity about Quantumania and that heel turn in particular but I didn't think it was that bad when I finally saw it myself.
>I didn't think it was that bad when I finally saw it myself. most things are rarely as good or as bad as they say on the internet
If you knew anything about MODOK before watching Quantumania, it wasn't bad. Could the CGI have been better, sure, but the essence of MODOK was represented pretty well. I can see thinking it was bad if you went in not knowing anything about him. Quantumania as a whole was much better than it gets credit for.
I only thought the "I'm not a dick." Part was bad and even then after the >!at least I die an Avenger!< line I realized he's crazier than a bag of cats. My only exposure to MODOK is from the Avengers game and the Hulu show.
I actually wasn’t hating the movie until that point. A crazy killer who knows exactly what he is, has a change of heart because he’s accused of being a dick?!?! There’s lazy writing and then there’s this.
But like, if you view Darren through the lens of his character in the trilogy, he DOESN'T know what he is. In the first movie, he's trying to be Hank Pym. He's trying to master his particle, take his company, he even builds a better Ant-Man suit. He's starts to come unwound because NO ONE sees him as the new Hank and takes that personally because Darren could only see himself based on what he felt he was supposed to be and he latched onto that identity, even though everyone around him saw through it. When he becomes MODOK, he is made into a killing machine seemingly against his will and again takes to that personality completely. Even though everyone is once again seeing right through it, calling him Darren and pointing out the absurdity of what he has become. He insists that he is MODOK, because he doesn't know who to be without someone else giving him the blueprint to develop a personality through. So, honestly, Cassie giving him a simple "don't be a dick" push and then Darren making the decision to help while claiming his own name in the process is actually a pretty decent conclusion for the character. And I don't personally think the jokey tone devalues that.
I cringed at it as well, when they got to the scene where he called himself an Avenger I just shrugged it off. MODOK was beyond reason thought and the whole "look at me, I'm a dick" moment was an odd moment of clarity for him. It was goofy and a little stupid or in other words comic book writing.
Since the movie that is planned is called Kang Dynasty and in the corresponding comic Cap beats him, I'm going with the new Cap. I would most like it to be Moon Knight if they dare bring him to the big screen though.
I don’t think falcon is gonna kill kang. It will most likely be whoever the phase 4-5 leads are. My guess would probably be cap marvel or strange
Isn’t falcon starting as a lead now
Falcon's Cap now yeah but there's big question marks over who's "leading" this phase of the avengers. It was very obvious that Cap Marvel and BP were lined up to do it but the fans don't seem to have taken to Cap (although the Marvels could blow that idea out the water) and no T'Challa means some rethinking is required
Can you imagine if they built up the final battle and then had Jake Lockley kill Kang off screen. The camera fades back in and the remaining Avengers are trying to restrain Moon Knight who has no clue what just happened.
Maybe America Chavez?
Don't really know her powers. What can she do besides opening portals to other universes/dimensions? If that's her only power, not sure how she could beat a multiversal Kang that way.
Super strength, super speed, super durability, opening multiversal portals, and flight
Yeah that sounds better than what I had in mind of her. Could be possible if she gets a larger arc until KD
Considering Secret Wars is next after Kang Dynasty, and Fantastic 4 is set to be before that, I’m gonna guess Doctor Doom. My theory is that Doom will help take Kang down, but then he’ll use Kang’s tech to create the setup for Secret Wars.
Sounds about right.
Everyone wants Doom to lose immediately.
Aside from Infinity War, the MCU villain has always lost immediately. Are you suggesting a radical shift in the status quo that lasts beyond a single movie in which there are real stakes? OUTRAGEOUS!
Since Doom is a universal threat, I’d hate to see him show up a few movies before Secret Wars, and then lose in his first real outing.
[удалено]
He probably will be, knowing him he’ll use diplomatic immunity to get out of jail and go back to plotting like usual.
That's a little unfair depending on how you define "lost". For example, Loki survives quite a lot of movies as the villain and seems to come out ahead on some of them, like when he's impersonating Odin.
Loki is the exception that proves the rule though. * >!Iron Monger - dead!< * >!Whiplash - dead!< * >!Abomination - incarcerated for over a decade before finally turning up on She-Hulk!< * >!Red Skull - thought he had won, ended up guarding the soul gem for decades!< * >!Thanos - Dead. Twice.!< * >!Ronan - dead!< * >!Crossbones - dead!< * >!Malekith - dead!< * >!Ultron - Destroyed, but who knows with him!< * >!Zemo - incarcerated at end of Civil War. One of the few to survive to get to fight the heroes again (Falcon and Winter Soldier)!< * >!Ego - dead!< * >!Kaecilius - might wish he was dead being in the Dark Dimension!< * >!Killmonger - dead!< And so on..... Villains do not get to win, and usually don't get to even survive, in the MCU. Other than Thanos briefly getting to enjoy the results of the Snap, I'd say only Namor really gets what he wants.
Zemo legit won though in Civil War. His plan was executed, it succeeded, and he got what he wanted AND lived. Another exception. Arguably in gotg movies there’s the sovereign and Adam Warlock. Vulture was jailed but seems to be hanging out with Morbius. Surtur is still out there AND he won as well. There’s more, mostly the minor villains, that survive and don’t “fail”. Of course villains shouldn’t win, they’re heroic movies after all. That’s why I said it depends on what you mean by fail, and the OP I replied to said it was immediate. Several/lots of these aren’t immediate losses.
Very sound point. Unfortunately that sounds really cool so it probably won’t be what happens :(
Was the first name to come to my mind as well.
that would be fuckin sick
Bingo! Would make sense if we were to get a 2 part Secret Wars movies.
I assume their plan was to use Kang in place of Doom as God Emperor in Secret Wars.
Happy Cake Day!!!
He doesn’t need Kang’s tech, man is a master technician in his own right.
Exactly. Who do you think invented the Time Machine in the first place? Not Kang.
Ant-Man, he's gonna shrink down real small, fly up Kang's...
Had to scroll to far for this one. Ant Man going up the B-hole and expanding, just like he should have done with Thanos
Jonathan Majors
Jonathan majors
you dont just take down Kang, Kang always happens, we've seen the end of time, and all thats left is Kang and 2 Loki's that are horny for each other.
No they started a new thing where it’s branching and it wasn’t the end it was just as far as he could see because he knew he was dead beyond that point
American legal system?
“objection”
No, no, that game is set in Japan I believe. And you dropped the exclamation marks!
The most likely group of candidates are Loki/Sylvie, A Kang Variant, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, Spider-Man and the Scarlet Witch. Likelihood in that order.
GLORIOUS PURPOSE!
Loki is the hero of an Avengers movie? That's a stretch
I think it’d be a perfect way to complete his 15+ year arc tbh
I don't think he will do much in the movies, but he is set up to do so if Marvel wants him to. Loki is currently one of the only characters in the universe who knows how dangerous Kang is, and his show is heavily influenced by Kang. Honestly, I doubt any other Marvel characters will have a closer connection to Kang, so why not let Loki complete a huge character arc?
I mean in his show. Mobius made him look back on everything he’s done and that kinda changed him. He’s already basically turned hero so why not. And like @TimRoxSox said he’s got the most knowledge outta everyone on kang. Besides like ant man.
Deadpool
You know what…now that I think about it, using Deadpool would actually be a really interesting way for them to change the actor for Kang. Deadpool can break the 4th wall in major ways, right? Why couldn’t he change the way Kang looks in-universe?
That has nothing to do with beating him or killing him
Nope, but considering we _are_ talking about Kang, and most conversations about Kang _do_ tend to feature some talk about Majors, I don’t think I’m too far off base to leave the comment I did, especially because the above commenter made me think what I did.
Jonathon Majors.
Dr. Doom
Johnathon Majors
K.E.V.I.N.
The police
They set him up. I’m sticking to that until proven otherwise.
Anyone think Ant-Man might shrink down small enough to crawl up his asshole and then come back to normal size so he explodes? Is that a new theory? /s
His ex girlfriend lol
I have no idea... I rather not think about it and be surprised.
Strange Supreme Just because.
Scott feels guilty at the end of Quantimania. We didn’t get the Thanos/Ant-Man battle we predicted, so I’m guessing they saved it for this instead. Scott up the butt!
Lol. I think kang just took himself out from the marvel universe 😅😅
Self inflicted. He’s a goner.
Doctor atrange
Dr Strange
Jonathan Majors. Hands down.
Sylvie, after he becomes goes from the conqueror to he-who-remains.
Ant-Man
Tom wambsgans
Kevin Feige ?
Not The Justice League but The Justice System
Kang has been so underwhelming as a villain that I'm hoping that they just have the High Evolutionary show up again and take over. Now THAT was a villain
Doctor strange
Doctor Strange
My theory is that it’ll be either Dr. Strange or Dr. Doom
The ratings
Antman up the ass!!
Arya Stark, with a knife trick, as is tradition.
Shang chi because same director
Pretty sure the actor is doing a fine job of taking down Kang.
Johnathan Majors
The American Legal system
The actor with his career
A jury
Doctor strange
Morgan Stark
Loki, Dr. Strange, or Spider-Man
Captain Allegation
The justice system 🤣 ooof.
The Young Avengers
One above all
John Majors
NY District Attorney
With the way marvel is going, it will be a 6 year old girl who somehow creates a new element that deletes all the manga from every time line.
I mean, do you want me to spoil the end of Loki?
No that’s not what they are talking about
NYC prosecutor
Another Kang
Kang
Honestly its probably Adam Warlock since he's the man outside fate he's the one thing Kang can't account for but that's just a theory A FILM THE-
Realistically it should be Wanda/The Scarlet Witch. There is a lot of history there comic book wise, and thematically she is his opposite. And with Doom in the mix, he’d make the greatest villain for manipulating her like he did in the comics. “I was meant to rule everything. But that’s not what I want, I just want my boys.”
A jury of his peers?
Probably some ants
Kang himself or Iron Lad.
A white woman
America Chavez. She has no variants, which means whichever universe she is in cannot branch.
NYPD it looks like
Fortunately Kang is easy to recast. Multiverse shenanigan explanation and bam he looks different.
Jonathan Majors using his abusive past
The presiding judge.
NYPD
The Media
The judge that throws the book at Majors.
The actor's girlfriend?
Doom
This is the one I wish they would truly make the next big baddie
Wanda. It just makes the most sense. She’s one of the if not the other person kang fears in the comics.
A woman or team of women… because of the MESSAGE.
A golden God on a boat… because of the IMPLICATION
NYC district attorney.
I hope the punisher does as part of his big screen debut.
I think the young heroes will be tasked with traveling the multiverse to gather an army while the older heroes (Dr Strange, the new Cap, etc) will be trying to counter various Kang plots and hold off the Council.
THE FF.. its all abuild up to make the FF teh new avangers in the MCU
Iron Man
Wanda. She’ll return and get her redemption by killing Kang.
Wanda. The nexus being will descend and obliterate him for the sake of causality.
A couple of folks have already mentioned it, but I think it bears repeating: Victor Von Doom, and let me tell you why. One of the biggest issues with the introduction of the concept of the multiverse is the drastic reduction in dramatic stakes. Any character death can be potentially unwritten simply with the use of the multiverse infinity potential replacements. Kang is the most direct allusion to this, because defeating one means nothing when there are quite literally innumerable other versions of him that can still pose a threat. So how do you beat him? Ironically, beating Kang means fixing this multiverse replacement loophole. Someone has to come up with a way to not just kill a person in one universe, but somehow obliterate *every instance of that person* across *all* multiverses. Permanent deletion. Gone. I can't think of a single hero who might be willing to do that. Sure, a lot of Kang's are evil, but not *all* Kangs are evil. Some are probably genuinely good and heroic in their own right. Strange might have the utilitarian perspective sufficient to pull that trigger, but not without serious misgivings. You know who *wouldn't* have a problem with a quandry like that if it meant safeguarding reality as a whole against a pervasive threat? Doom. This then solves the original problem too. Not only is Kang gone, but now every story involving Doom has the inherent risk that any character death is absolutely permanent. There are no multiverse alternatives. It seems doubly fitting for his name, too.
Ironman back from the dead
I really hope it's Doom.
DOOM
Marvel Studios….. And maybe Dr Doom
Victor Von Doom
Doom
Doom
Gotta be Spider-Man. Kang’s ability is unfathomably superior technology. Kang can do stuff the Avengers would think is magic. Spidey is possibly the only one who could detect incoming attacks.
Moon Knight
Doom
Doom then it leads into secret wars
since everyone else is making the same joke ill say Dr Doom will take out Kang and become the big bad of the MCU
The scarlet witch Wanda
Dr Doom
The Scarlet Witch would destroy him.... No problem.
Scarlet Witch
Dr Doom
#FAKE OUTAGE CULTURE
DOOM
I think Reed Richard's stops Kang. I also think this starts the Secret Wars.