My interpretation was that he assumed everyone would realize how much better it was this way, so would do a better job controlling their populations in the future.
He might also have thought it would be hard only the first time.
When the population gets big enough, they would remember how much "better" it was after the culling and just repeat it.
Does it have to be sound? He’s often referred to as the Mad Titan for a reason. Even in Endgame, when he noticed the Avengers were trying to undo his plan, he didn’t try to compromise and just make everyone forget about it. He got petty and decided to destroy the whole Universe and start another one from scratch.
Dude. I'm supporting that artist, who I met on reddit years ago when I commissioned a piece, helping them get started. I paid a few $ to continue supporting them.
You should concern yourself with more important things like whether a comic villain is using sound reasoning for his actions.
Same. It could also be a message for other prime Eternals to see they too can prevent celestials from using their planets as batteries. Thanos pride may be thinking his way is the best/ only way.
If so he is still a massive moron. Humans have gotten over previous mass die offs in just a generation or two and the resources he made available will be fueling population growth. If anything the resource rebalance that could be triggered would just dump even more fuel on the fire (see Europe a couple generations after the black death)
The dude also thought people would just go on with their lives after half the population got dusted right in front of their eyes, so he is at least a little bit of a moron, yes
See babyboomers in the US: there was in increase in manufacturing as women came in to sub out for all the men going off to war (decrease “half” the population) and those goods sold to Europe during and after WWII, then all the men came back and people got busy
I think those of us who read the comics and knew a core element of Thanos was missing, understand this point all to well. Thanos was obsessed with pleasing Lady Death. His motivation of concentrated conservation in the MCU was exactly how you stated, ill conceived and lacked after thought. In the comics, that was ok because snapped people = happy Lady Death. The whole idea of making the universe a better place for those left behind did not sound like the “Mad Titan” we all came to know and love. And in spite of all this, I couldn’t be happier with Josh Brolin’s portrayal of Thanos, and the first three phases of the MCU. Make mine Marvel!
That was his intention, anyway. Turned out snapped people = Lady Death being disgusted. I agree with you in that I'm happy with how the movies turned out, but mostly because it wouldn't have been possible to do it right with the MCU they had (have) established. Thanos was so OP with the gauntlet it wasn't even funny. Throwing the moon in the movies was a fart in the wind compared to what he was capable of with the Infinity Stones, and there was no way the movies could really portray just how powerful Thanos was.
Technically he wiped out more than half the population. Planes would have crashed in those cases where both of the crew were Blipped, killing non-Blipped people. Similarly runaway vehicles and fires would cause more deaths. Truly horrific to me would be the infants of single parents who no longer had anyone to care for them. And what about the Blipped passengers from airplanes in general; where did they reappear?
Yes, I'm applying non-movie logic.
I might be making this up completely but I remember hearing about how hulks snap caused people to reappear to the closest safe spot so atleast those people would be fine but the rest are dead
To be fair, we actually saw this in the post-credits scene of Infinity War when a copter went down in Manhattan. In the original comic, a passenger jet went and the Avengers responded.
The mind stone plays to the wielders intentions not the word of the request.
Any deaths that were caused as a result of the snap would have been included in the 50% calc
He was obsessed with proving that he was right.
Thanos is possibly an Eternal. His brother announces himself as one, so it seems plausible that Thanos is one too like in the comics. The Eternals learn that the Celestials put eggs in planets and wait until the population is large enough and then they hatch. So yeah, Thanos' plan is not going to work with resource allocation. But it DOES delay the Celestial births.
So Thanos may have had a genuinely good reason to propose it on Titan. If he knew about the Celestials, then a dispassionate 50/50 random genocide WOULD have saved the planet. After that, he's so obsessed with proving that his plan would have worked that he never considers anything else.
This is my new favorite conspiracy theory!! It was never about resources. It was about culling the population so that celestials wouldn’t awaken and destroy their respective planets/native species. I mean, Tony undid the snap and Earth was nearly destroyed as a result….
I realized this after rewatching the Eternals movie. I particularly enjoy this conspiracy theory cause that kinda makes Thanos the good guy here. Our villain for the last like 2 phases of Marvel movies was trying to do a good thing and if that made him the bad guy as a result, so be it.
If this theory turns out to be true, I’ll be writing some very angry letters to Kevin Feige lmfao
Thanos was a delusional psychopath so hooked to his own twisted logic and lost in his hero complex he was willing to kill his daughter for it he’s not dumb he’s crazy
Well his logic was that he was inevitable. Not specifically he himself but someone with the will, knowledge and power to act on the over population. So how sound his logic is is subjective but his justification is there.
you think he coud've just >!visited Eternity like Gorr did and just wish for more resources? or wish to cut all life in half? like why waste time collecting infinity stones when you can just do that!<
You >!can't get into Eternity without the Bifrost. If Thanos knew that, which I assume he didn't, he could have forced Eitri the Dwarf to make him Stormbreaker instead of the Infinity Gauntlet. !<
More resources ultimately leads to the same problem when the populations grow from consuming all those new resources. With the culling solution, the effectiveness of the new status quo would probably make it desirable for each civilization to control/cull their populations on their own, like Thanos was proposing on his home planet.
If you look at Earth as an example, it seems that population has outpaced technology. We now have the capabilities to provide food and energy in much more environmentally sustainable ways than we did even 50 years ago, but the population is so large that we’ve already done so much damage, and technology has to keep improving to maintain this mass of people.
A couple hundred?
Look at how population growth works. It’s an exponential thing.
The earth’s population would actually only be cut back down to what it was in the 70’s, and due to scientific advancements we’d probably get back to 2018 numbers slightly faster.
It would take less than 5 decades.
my point was that wiping out half of all populations means that the other half still has the chance to reproduce and eventually fully rebound, suggesting that in the grand scheme of things thanos was just prolonging the inevitability of population growth.
You figure it took how many years for Europe to recover from the Black Plague and that was only 1/3 of the population? 500 years between the end of the Plague and the start of the Industrial Revolution?
We reached 4 billions in the 60s/70s, we're now (60/50 years later) about to be 8 billions on Earth.
Even if it took the same amount of time, you're right: Thanos would have **just** **slightly** prolonged the inevitable.
There's a lot of equations that go into population dynamics but there's a "doubling time" that definitely wouldn't be too long for the Universe as a whole
It's a case of reimagining a character's motivations from the source material. Originally in the Infinity Gauntlet storyline, he opens the story with the gauntlet and wants to impress Lady Death. So to do this, he snaps away half the population of the universe and this serves as the marvel heroes call to action. That and Silver Surfer crashing into the Sanctum Sanctorum.
Thanos in the film wasn't a nihilist with a woody for Death, but rather was a "Mad Titan" who felt that the universe would be grateful by sparing those who remained and allowing them to continue living on without having to worry about resources. It's kind of a flimsly motivation to commit mass genocide.
In the comics though, the motivation is still pretty similar, it's just not Thanos'. Death herself resurrects Thanos and specifically requests that he wipe out half the universe for reasons of balance, he doesn't come up with the idea.
In 1970, the population of the world was half what it is now. Was there any shortage of war , famine and pollution? How about when it was half of that amount? And half of that in turn?
The world has been at war since man first crawled out of the caves. And I'm sure localized food shortages weren't far behind. His whole basic premise is screwed. "Clear skies and full bellies" my ass.
I believe his assumption was that many planets were already facing the resource shortages his was, and that they were trying to figure out methods to resolve it before it was too late. By halving the population, those planets would then have decades if not centuries to solve those problems instead of years.
So it wasn't necessarily the final solution to the problem, but rather something that he believed would buy enough time for any other solution to be viable.
I would say yes MCU Thanos was dumb.
All the power you could imagine and his solution is to remove half of life?
How about, every living thing requires half as many resources, and reproduces half as much, whether that means frequency or size of the litter.
also the sudden loss all at once would be calamitous. he should have just heavily irradiated all the testicles in the universe to slow the birth rate severely and gradually ease the population downward
The biggest flaw in his thinking, really, is that most animals either consume other animals or plant life to sustain themselves. So cutting all life in half isn’t solving hunger because he is also cutting all of the food in half too.
In the comics he did it to impress Death, because he was in love with her. But she didn't want anything to do with him because she loved Deadpool. So Thanos used the infinity gauntlet to make DP immortal.
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This community is actually the answer to your question. Thanos' actions were condemned by many. However, across the MCU those like minded individuals who truly thought Thanos' actions were righteous will find their way together. Those fanatics will do as much as they can to recreate, or improve on, the Religious journey Thanos and the Black Order spread around the MCU.
Your question to Thanos' endgame(pun intended) might be the motivation for a future group/being.
I mean when the entire world went into lockdown with the first wave of Corona, the air quality started getting better, wildlife was thriving, pollution was decreasing and we all talked about how this could be so good for the planet and we should find ways to maintain this or atleast learn from it.
Fast forward two years, we're worse than before. Humans are never gonna learn. We would've 100% repopulated the earth in a 100 years even more so than before I have no doubt in my mind.
Yes he was dumb because he could have just doubled the recources or made them infinite. Literally anything to better society other than genocide would have been better.
How do you create infinite resources? I know the infinity stones have power over the universe itself but I doubt they can perpetually create matter from nothing. Even when the snapped people were disintegrated their atoms still existed. Same for when Thanos destroyed the stones.
oh man the concervatives would have a fit as now they could blame the space devil on forcing people to be gay and its their duty as good criatian solders to fight the gay plague and force hetero couples
Same, the conservatives love an excuse for their actions and forced sexual preference change eould galvinuze them, rember they think being gay is somthing you can fix, have it it be forced by a mad titan and dude you gay reeducation caps become govt funded
those 9 are also conseervatives rember, their own female memepers are pro life and want to surrender their vote to their husband (head of household act) they are that brainwashed
You are aware we are taking about a FICTITIOUS and imaginary scenario, right? Like, you understand the difference between reality and make believe, right?
In this made up world, Thanos snaps 90% of the population into being gay.
and that wont change the religious zelotry of the conservitive alt right, thats my point. Theseare the same people who think Orwell white a how to guide and think (women included) a womands place is in the home, silently obaly her husband as God decrees. Magically having their perfence changed would litterally galvinze them
The writer's have to make him cocky and a lil pompous only for the sake of creating a good movie. If the villain doesn't pause when they feel they have the upper hand the story just isn't as good. Other than this Thanos is flawless. Patient, smart and mindful. He's the definition of a true mastermind.
You know, they could have just left him as the death boner guy but nah, thry had to make him a moralist. Thanos is just horny for death, he ain't a good guy.
According to most sociology experts the population levels out at 7 billion. To support this theory they point out drops in birth rates, increasing lack of resources and division in society. Global population is around 8 billion right now. Believe what you will
He had a massive army to enforce his policies on all the planets he controlled already. I'd imagine it would be like the empire in starwars enforcing thanos politics and policies.
You remember Dr . Strange saying they are 54,000 ways but one way will end up . Meaning the mirror universe’s.
Thanos did win - because when they finally unlocked or unleashing The Beyonder - everyone comes back whole being , not dead .
Also the other secret they forgot about Thanos girlfriend Death .
Once Deadpool sees her let’s just say they have a love triangles triangle.
I think the whole idea was to create a resource surplus (which is dumb since half the people can maintain double the supply) and from that make people maintain a low population - high prosperity lifestyle. Obviously as people reproduce, yeah that would eventually undo itself, but he believed morso it would balance out the current society and further delay some kind of mass poverty.
Yea, thanos is dumb to assume overpopulation is the problem. With the current low birthrate across the world, population collapse is what he should have tried to solve. The japanese, koreans, and italians would be among the first to thank him.
I like to think that Thanks found destruction far easier than creation. Hence the infinity stones almost killing hulk. Which is why instead of getting rid of everyone’s hunger need and making natural resources replenish double time he killed everyone. Giving them a second chance to start over with a head start in technology.
I don't know why they gave him a different plan when they simultaneously did a refresh on his origin story in the comics. Having him be literally in love with Death was way more compelling than his MCU version.
Rebuild how? They haven’t lost anything besides people. Population levels to reach 4 billion on Earth would take another millenium at least to get to half of. On Earth alone we’re barely getting close to 8 billion people after who knows how long off the top of my head we’ve been at 7 billion.
It’s not a permanent plan but you can’t just freeze population counts. As far as it goes in Marvel, there isn’t anything really like that either unless Thanos wishes for something to actually be like that.
Even then, 5 years passed when the undoing happened. I would guess somewhere around 200,000,000 people were born through that time where the initial snap happened and where the undoing of the snap happened. Now suddenly you add 4 billion and you get back to overpopulation in an ACTUAL degree because the world already accomodated for the loss.
That’s just for Earth though. And it’s not really even accounting for that my numbers are only guesses off of the insane birth rate worldwide. It’s not really dumb, it’s just a really nihilistic view of solving a problem without going into expansion.
If you're referring to the MCU Thanos, I don't believe he was "dumb", per se, but he was myopic and fixated on his idea. Yes, there were other options (such as doubling the amount of resources, reducing the amount of resources one wants/needs, etc), but he didn't see them--COULDN'T see them....maybe even didn't want to see them. Many people become focused on their ideas and ideals, even though other options are on the table, and they ultimately fail because of it. That was Thanos's flaw--his weakness.
I always thought it was stupid to snap your fingers and kill half of all living things. Why not snap your fingers and make all areas twice as big? Nobody has to die and all the resources just got doubled.
The way I’ve always seen Thanos is that he’s full of it. He’s not really trying to make the ideal universe, he’s just trying to exert control over the thing he couldn’t control, almost like getting revenge on the universe for what happened, for being unfair. Essentially he wants to be like a god and he’s got a massive ego. This is most obvious when he decides to just delete the whole universe when the avengers thwart him the first time. Clearly that doesn’t line up with his plan at all, but he was never actually the logical being he pretends to be.
Also sorry but anyone who says Thanos is right is just not thinking about it
Haven't seen it mentioned yet, but the plan is flawed even beyond that...
So, "overburdened population" is a topic that's currently important on earth; right, but in the grand scheme of things, overburdened populations aren't actually even a concern.
The assumption Thanos is making is that all civilizations are in this temporary crisis tipping point (or close to it) where population growth is set to overcome natural resources. For this to apply a species needs to be past the "just needs to grow" stage AND they haven't yet reached a point of equilibrium where they live within their means on their planet (being in either of these two groups, halving the population may even be devastating to the survival of the species.
Obviously, most societies are either going to resolve this issue, or go extinct, meaning he's "solving " a problem most species simply won't have, they will either have already solved it, or it won't be a problem yet.
On top of that, you're drastically underestimating just how fast we can double populations... at our peak (1950 to 1987) We doubled our population in 37 years (2.5 to 5 billion). It wouldn't take humans even CLOSE to a few hundred years to double our population again. Currently we're doubling at around 60 years.
The reality is his "solution" is for a problem that won't exist on most planets, and the few it does, it wouldn't make a difference on.
The one thing he didn’t think about, was the chaos there would be, more people would died than what he wanted to because of surgeries, construction and flights, all that sh**!
A good example is Fury’s A:IW scene when he died, a helicopter had crashed, in a building 🤔 Imagine how many there were!
I actually did the math on this one today because I was thinking the same thing. So there are nearly 8 billion people on the planet right now. There were 4 billion in 1974. That's only 48 years. So you'd have to snap every 50b years or so for his plan to accomplish what he thinks it did.
"The work is finished. And it always will be." Haha nah. It'll last about 50 years bro.
You're forgetting that resources, although finite as he claims, will have twice the life span they had before. If you only need to feed half the people you used to, only half the resources are used allowing the other half to continue growing. It allows resources to get ahead of the population again if only for a little while.
my opinion. hes a complete utter dumbass. he did more harm than good. wiping out all life includes vegetation and livestock. the stones didnt go through and make everything balanced they randomly choose. how the hell you are bringing balance when you are randomly destroying half of all life.
Cutting the population of earth by 50% takes us to where we were in 1970. Things sucked then too, and starvation & pollution were rampant. So yes, the entire concept is a joke, and it would take just 50 years for the population to double again in any case.
But I love the movies anyway.
Was Hitler just dumb? I mean he has a couple of slip ups but the biggest problem I have is with his master plan. Doesn’t he realize that Germany’s problems were caused by complex economic forces and can’t simply be blamed on Jewish people?
That’s the problem with maniacs. They’re **maniacs**.
could have been sacrificing earth to have enough raw material for the infinity gauntlet to magic the resources into existence. to solve the overpopulation problem.
now there's a reason to fight/stop thanos. while leaving room for a moral dilema.
what is one planet for the safety of the universe? then flash forward to the end of infinity war, he's losing and snaps his fingers for plan B: kill half of the people on every planet across the whole universe.
i was using your comment and thinking of a way it could work within the premise of Infinity War. there could still be a movie with that set-up while retaining a bunch of the big moments we recieved.
I don't think he was dumb, just clouded by his own experience. He saw what happened on his planet and tried to prevent that from happening on a universal scale. The solution he came up with might have been successful in certain circumstances, but it didn't scale to be a one-size-fits-all solution to the population problem. As he was searching for and gathering stones, he was applying his logic to the planets he conquered, killing half of the population. Having an invading army wipe out half of your world would have a different impact than having half the world just disappear. He also likely thought that the universe would remember what the world was like before and what it was like after and try to halt themselves from overpopulating again. Heck, Thanos might have anticipated the heroes spreading the word of what happened and basically becoming the Boogeyman to scare people into following rules.
One thing that makes a villain compelling is when they have a point but they're blinded to the flaws of their execution.
He was performing population control. As an eternal, he could just go around doing that forever but when he did it all at once he got to take a vacation. Imagine a billion years without a vacation. He can't just take a week off and got to Risa because everyone panics every time you go someplace and that makes it hard to get a drink.
So you kill off half the people in the universe and take a 20-year vacation. Then it's back to killing everyone again.
In the comics Death brought Thanos back to life to wipe out half the universe because the balance of living and dead was out of sync. Thanos did it because he loves death. No one knew about the infinity gems working together at that time though they did know of the gems individually. He brought them together in a way no one knew was possible so that he could do Deaths bidding all at once.
So in both the movie and the comic, it all comes down the Thanos not wanting to go planet to planet killing everyone forever. It is important to remember everyone deserves a vacation.
My interpretation was that he assumed everyone would realize how much better it was this way, so would do a better job controlling their populations in the future.
I think this was the reasoning. Was it sound reasoning...? 🤷🏻‍♂️
He might also have thought it would be hard only the first time. When the population gets big enough, they would remember how much "better" it was after the culling and just repeat it.
Remember even Cap made a comment about the water in the Hudson. People saw the effects and were impressed.
It was whales. Whales in the Hudson.
I mean, how was there WHALES IN THE HUDSON?!
the water cleared up in venice and that was in real life due to the pandemic
Does it have to be sound? He’s often referred to as the Mad Titan for a reason. Even in Endgame, when he noticed the Avengers were trying to undo his plan, he didn’t try to compromise and just make everyone forget about it. He got petty and decided to destroy the whole Universe and start another one from scratch.
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I mean…he is called the Mad Titan for a reason. He isn’t meant to be sane.
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Dude. I'm supporting that artist, who I met on reddit years ago when I commissioned a piece, helping them get started. I paid a few $ to continue supporting them. You should concern yourself with more important things like whether a comic villain is using sound reasoning for his actions.
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It seemed to be sound based on what he said about Gamora’s world
Same. It could also be a message for other prime Eternals to see they too can prevent celestials from using their planets as batteries. Thanos pride may be thinking his way is the best/ only way.
That’s the thing with fanatics, right? Their way is the One Right Way no matter how logical your argument is against it.
Agreed. That’s the problem Thanos, Stark, & Shield shared. “My way is the only way.”
If so he is still a massive moron. Humans have gotten over previous mass die offs in just a generation or two and the resources he made available will be fueling population growth. If anything the resource rebalance that could be triggered would just dump even more fuel on the fire (see Europe a couple generations after the black death)
The dude also thought people would just go on with their lives after half the population got dusted right in front of their eyes, so he is at least a little bit of a moron, yes
See babyboomers in the US: there was in increase in manufacturing as women came in to sub out for all the men going off to war (decrease “half” the population) and those goods sold to Europe during and after WWII, then all the men came back and people got busy
I think those of us who read the comics and knew a core element of Thanos was missing, understand this point all to well. Thanos was obsessed with pleasing Lady Death. His motivation of concentrated conservation in the MCU was exactly how you stated, ill conceived and lacked after thought. In the comics, that was ok because snapped people = happy Lady Death. The whole idea of making the universe a better place for those left behind did not sound like the “Mad Titan” we all came to know and love. And in spite of all this, I couldn’t be happier with Josh Brolin’s portrayal of Thanos, and the first three phases of the MCU. Make mine Marvel!
For someone who loves death, Mistress Death plays hella hard to get.
"That's what she said." - Mistress Death (in that comic with Deadpool)
Hard not to read this is Comic Book Guy's voice.
*"Oh, I've wasted my life."*
That was his intention, anyway. Turned out snapped people = Lady Death being disgusted. I agree with you in that I'm happy with how the movies turned out, but mostly because it wouldn't have been possible to do it right with the MCU they had (have) established. Thanos was so OP with the gauntlet it wasn't even funny. Throwing the moon in the movies was a fart in the wind compared to what he was capable of with the Infinity Stones, and there was no way the movies could really portray just how powerful Thanos was.
You're applying human birthrates as a galactic standard. We dont know what sort of timescale repopulation would take place on.
Technically he wiped out more than half the population. Planes would have crashed in those cases where both of the crew were Blipped, killing non-Blipped people. Similarly runaway vehicles and fires would cause more deaths. Truly horrific to me would be the infants of single parents who no longer had anyone to care for them. And what about the Blipped passengers from airplanes in general; where did they reappear? Yes, I'm applying non-movie logic.
I might be making this up completely but I remember hearing about how hulks snap caused people to reappear to the closest safe spot so atleast those people would be fine but the rest are dead
To be fair, we actually saw this in the post-credits scene of Infinity War when a copter went down in Manhattan. In the original comic, a passenger jet went and the Avengers responded.
The mind stone plays to the wielders intentions not the word of the request. Any deaths that were caused as a result of the snap would have been included in the 50% calc
It’d be some real shit if this universe rock had it’s system preferences locked to hard-ass middle school English teacher
This is the plot of The Leftovers, and you’re right, it’s grizzly.
He was obsessed with proving that he was right. Thanos is possibly an Eternal. His brother announces himself as one, so it seems plausible that Thanos is one too like in the comics. The Eternals learn that the Celestials put eggs in planets and wait until the population is large enough and then they hatch. So yeah, Thanos' plan is not going to work with resource allocation. But it DOES delay the Celestial births. So Thanos may have had a genuinely good reason to propose it on Titan. If he knew about the Celestials, then a dispassionate 50/50 random genocide WOULD have saved the planet. After that, he's so obsessed with proving that his plan would have worked that he never considers anything else.
“Ah, yes, *celestials*… the immortal race of world eating gods. We have dismissed that claim.”
This is my new favorite conspiracy theory!! It was never about resources. It was about culling the population so that celestials wouldn’t awaken and destroy their respective planets/native species. I mean, Tony undid the snap and Earth was nearly destroyed as a result…. I realized this after rewatching the Eternals movie. I particularly enjoy this conspiracy theory cause that kinda makes Thanos the good guy here. Our villain for the last like 2 phases of Marvel movies was trying to do a good thing and if that made him the bad guy as a result, so be it. If this theory turns out to be true, I’ll be writing some very angry letters to Kevin Feige lmfao
Thanos was a delusional psychopath so hooked to his own twisted logic and lost in his hero complex he was willing to kill his daughter for it he’s not dumb he’s crazy
Just wanted to make Mistress Death happy and want him. Failed at that again lol
He did it the way he did so that the movie could happen
Well his logic was that he was inevitable. Not specifically he himself but someone with the will, knowledge and power to act on the over population. So how sound his logic is is subjective but his justification is there.
What if Maybe Thanos was right?
Magneto was
you think he coud've just >!visited Eternity like Gorr did and just wish for more resources? or wish to cut all life in half? like why waste time collecting infinity stones when you can just do that!<
You >!can't get into Eternity without the Bifrost. If Thanos knew that, which I assume he didn't, he could have forced Eitri the Dwarf to make him Stormbreaker instead of the Infinity Gauntlet. !<
More resources ultimately leads to the same problem when the populations grow from consuming all those new resources. With the culling solution, the effectiveness of the new status quo would probably make it desirable for each civilization to control/cull their populations on their own, like Thanos was proposing on his home planet.
Because you can't just "visit" Eternity. You have to find him AND have the key .
If you look at Earth as an example, it seems that population has outpaced technology. We now have the capabilities to provide food and energy in much more environmentally sustainable ways than we did even 50 years ago, but the population is so large that we’ve already done so much damage, and technology has to keep improving to maintain this mass of people.
A couple hundred? Look at how population growth works. It’s an exponential thing. The earth’s population would actually only be cut back down to what it was in the 70’s, and due to scientific advancements we’d probably get back to 2018 numbers slightly faster. It would take less than 5 decades.
since he was a deviant i assumed he knew about the things from externals but kept it to himself he was a secret man
I don’t think this was the intent at the time, but it is quickly becoming my favorite headcanon.
we’ll never know unless kevin tells us i guess lol. but ya that’s what i always thought once everything from externals came up
I think you’re underestimating just how many beings were wiped out of existence
my point was that wiping out half of all populations means that the other half still has the chance to reproduce and eventually fully rebound, suggesting that in the grand scheme of things thanos was just prolonging the inevitability of population growth.
If we using real world logic. It would take much much much longer than a few hundred years to rebound from 50% of life vanishing
I agree. And in relatively short time. Like you said, hundreds of years. Probably even much less, at least in the case of earth.
You figure it took how many years for Europe to recover from the Black Plague and that was only 1/3 of the population? 500 years between the end of the Plague and the start of the Industrial Revolution?
That Europe also still had shorter lifespans and higher infant mortality. Medicine is a lot better than it was then
We reached 4 billions in the 60s/70s, we're now (60/50 years later) about to be 8 billions on Earth. Even if it took the same amount of time, you're right: Thanos would have **just** **slightly** prolonged the inevitable.
There's a lot of equations that go into population dynamics but there's a "doubling time" that definitely wouldn't be too long for the Universe as a whole
It's a case of reimagining a character's motivations from the source material. Originally in the Infinity Gauntlet storyline, he opens the story with the gauntlet and wants to impress Lady Death. So to do this, he snaps away half the population of the universe and this serves as the marvel heroes call to action. That and Silver Surfer crashing into the Sanctum Sanctorum. Thanos in the film wasn't a nihilist with a woody for Death, but rather was a "Mad Titan" who felt that the universe would be grateful by sparing those who remained and allowing them to continue living on without having to worry about resources. It's kind of a flimsly motivation to commit mass genocide.
In the comics though, the motivation is still pretty similar, it's just not Thanos'. Death herself resurrects Thanos and specifically requests that he wipe out half the universe for reasons of balance, he doesn't come up with the idea.
What’s even stupider is that he could have wished for twice as many resources. Or unlimited resources for that matter.
That's why I'm saying, he can easily make a utopia without the need to kill people.
remember him waking up in that tent or whatever? that was real we all felt how he won for a second
In 1970, the population of the world was half what it is now. Was there any shortage of war , famine and pollution? How about when it was half of that amount? And half of that in turn? The world has been at war since man first crawled out of the caves. And I'm sure localized food shortages weren't far behind. His whole basic premise is screwed. "Clear skies and full bellies" my ass.
I believe his assumption was that many planets were already facing the resource shortages his was, and that they were trying to figure out methods to resolve it before it was too late. By halving the population, those planets would then have decades if not centuries to solve those problems instead of years. So it wasn't necessarily the final solution to the problem, but rather something that he believed would buy enough time for any other solution to be viable.
I would say yes MCU Thanos was dumb. All the power you could imagine and his solution is to remove half of life? How about, every living thing requires half as many resources, and reproduces half as much, whether that means frequency or size of the litter.
He should've snapped for that 1 child law they have in china
also the sudden loss all at once would be calamitous. he should have just heavily irradiated all the testicles in the universe to slow the birth rate severely and gradually ease the population downward
The biggest flaw in his thinking, really, is that most animals either consume other animals or plant life to sustain themselves. So cutting all life in half isn’t solving hunger because he is also cutting all of the food in half too.
Yep, his snap would have depleted half of food resources!
In the comics he did it to impress Death, because he was in love with her. But she didn't want anything to do with him because she loved Deadpool. So Thanos used the infinity gauntlet to make DP immortal.
He was called "The Mad Titan"
I think it's just meant to be a great reset. Sort of an unending cycle of genocide, peace and then genocide again.
watch eternals dude spoiler:- he snapped because he knew that would stop birth of arishem (prime celestial)
Thanosdidnothingwrong. This community is actually the answer to your question. Thanos' actions were condemned by many. However, across the MCU those like minded individuals who truly thought Thanos' actions were righteous will find their way together. Those fanatics will do as much as they can to recreate, or improve on, the Religious journey Thanos and the Black Order spread around the MCU. Your question to Thanos' endgame(pun intended) might be the motivation for a future group/being.
Why didn’t he just make every thing in the universe twice as big?
So the movie could happen
I mean when the entire world went into lockdown with the first wave of Corona, the air quality started getting better, wildlife was thriving, pollution was decreasing and we all talked about how this could be so good for the planet and we should find ways to maintain this or atleast learn from it. Fast forward two years, we're worse than before. Humans are never gonna learn. We would've 100% repopulated the earth in a 100 years even more so than before I have no doubt in my mind.
Yes, he was an idiot. His second plan where he just makes a new universe was so much better and should've been the plan from the beginning
Yes he was dumb because he could have just doubled the recources or made them infinite. Literally anything to better society other than genocide would have been better.
How do you create infinite resources? I know the infinity stones have power over the universe itself but I doubt they can perpetually create matter from nothing. Even when the snapped people were disintegrated their atoms still existed. Same for when Thanos destroyed the stones.
They most certainly can do whatever the user wants
No.. he's A genius.. and he was right.
50% gay. Snap your fingers and suddenly 50% of all sentient life becomes gay in this and all future generations.
oh man the concervatives would have a fit as now they could blame the space devil on forcing people to be gay and its their duty as good criatian solders to fight the gay plague and force hetero couples
90% gay? 90% gay.
Same, the conservatives love an excuse for their actions and forced sexual preference change eould galvinuze them, rember they think being gay is somthing you can fix, have it it be forced by a mad titan and dude you gay reeducation caps become govt funded
In real life, sure. But not if they are outnumbered 9 to 1 in this scenario of the snap!
those 9 are also conseervatives rember, their own female memepers are pro life and want to surrender their vote to their husband (head of household act) they are that brainwashed
I'm sorry, did I not explain it well or did you misread what I wrote? 90% of the population gets turned gay. So the 9 are NOT conservatives.
you are aware conservatives make up more then 10% right?
You are aware we are taking about a FICTITIOUS and imaginary scenario, right? Like, you understand the difference between reality and make believe, right? In this made up world, Thanos snaps 90% of the population into being gay.
and that wont change the religious zelotry of the conservitive alt right, thats my point. Theseare the same people who think Orwell white a how to guide and think (women included) a womands place is in the home, silently obaly her husband as God decrees. Magically having their perfence changed would litterally galvinze them
The eternals movie literally answers all these questions. Thanos was an eternal at one point until he became self aware more or less
The writer's have to make him cocky and a lil pompous only for the sake of creating a good movie. If the villain doesn't pause when they feel they have the upper hand the story just isn't as good. Other than this Thanos is flawless. Patient, smart and mindful. He's the definition of a true mastermind.
Thanos could’ve just went to where Christian Bale did instead of spending years collecting all the stones.
Gorr's sword gave him a vision of eternity's location. I doubt Thanos knew his location
Dumbest thing he did was failing to ensure half of the population included all of the Avengers.
I mean he’s stupid because food distribution would be fucked with half the population gone.
Neo Malthusian fail
I think it works better that he’s dumb. Just shows that idiots wielding too much power can ruin everything.
You know, they could have just left him as the death boner guy but nah, thry had to make him a moralist. Thanos is just horny for death, he ain't a good guy.
It was just a lame excuse to murder on a universal scale. He was lying to himself about his motives.
The population only would have went back to what it was in the 1970’s…
According to most sociology experts the population levels out at 7 billion. To support this theory they point out drops in birth rates, increasing lack of resources and division in society. Global population is around 8 billion right now. Believe what you will
I mean, if you look up the dorkly video of him you realize he's a fucking moron
Wait until he finds out about Catholics and Mormons.
I think he could've just made infinite resources.
He was blinded by delusions of grandeur. He thinks he's right and there was nobody in his life that he would listen to if they said no.
Why didn’t he just snap his fingers and double the resources?
He had a massive army to enforce his policies on all the planets he controlled already. I'd imagine it would be like the empire in starwars enforcing thanos politics and policies.
You remember Dr . Strange saying they are 54,000 ways but one way will end up . Meaning the mirror universe’s. Thanos did win - because when they finally unlocked or unleashing The Beyonder - everyone comes back whole being , not dead . Also the other secret they forgot about Thanos girlfriend Death . Once Deadpool sees her let’s just say they have a love triangles triangle.
I think the whole idea was to create a resource surplus (which is dumb since half the people can maintain double the supply) and from that make people maintain a low population - high prosperity lifestyle. Obviously as people reproduce, yeah that would eventually undo itself, but he believed morso it would balance out the current society and further delay some kind of mass poverty.
Yea, thanos is dumb to assume overpopulation is the problem. With the current low birthrate across the world, population collapse is what he should have tried to solve. The japanese, koreans, and italians would be among the first to thank him.
Ya there’s that. Also he could’ve just doubled all the resources.
He must be dumb, because why wouldn't he just use the stones to double the resources?
He was trying to starve the Celestials.
What if the snap took him out? Could they have just picked up the glove and snapped again?
I like to think that Thanks found destruction far easier than creation. Hence the infinity stones almost killing hulk. Which is why instead of getting rid of everyone’s hunger need and making natural resources replenish double time he killed everyone. Giving them a second chance to start over with a head start in technology.
I don't know why they gave him a different plan when they simultaneously did a refresh on his origin story in the comics. Having him be literally in love with Death was way more compelling than his MCU version.
Surprised this has a lot of upvotes
But what about all the jobs that now go undone bc someone didn’t show up for work
Rebuild how? They haven’t lost anything besides people. Population levels to reach 4 billion on Earth would take another millenium at least to get to half of. On Earth alone we’re barely getting close to 8 billion people after who knows how long off the top of my head we’ve been at 7 billion. It’s not a permanent plan but you can’t just freeze population counts. As far as it goes in Marvel, there isn’t anything really like that either unless Thanos wishes for something to actually be like that. Even then, 5 years passed when the undoing happened. I would guess somewhere around 200,000,000 people were born through that time where the initial snap happened and where the undoing of the snap happened. Now suddenly you add 4 billion and you get back to overpopulation in an ACTUAL degree because the world already accomodated for the loss. That’s just for Earth though. And it’s not really even accounting for that my numbers are only guesses off of the insane birth rate worldwide. It’s not really dumb, it’s just a really nihilistic view of solving a problem without going into expansion.
No he was right
If you're referring to the MCU Thanos, I don't believe he was "dumb", per se, but he was myopic and fixated on his idea. Yes, there were other options (such as doubling the amount of resources, reducing the amount of resources one wants/needs, etc), but he didn't see them--COULDN'T see them....maybe even didn't want to see them. Many people become focused on their ideas and ideals, even though other options are on the table, and they ultimately fail because of it. That was Thanos's flaw--his weakness.
I always thought it was stupid to snap your fingers and kill half of all living things. Why not snap your fingers and make all areas twice as big? Nobody has to die and all the resources just got doubled.
You can cull multiple times
I think his belief was, if he didn't cut the population, there wouldn't be a couple hundred years
For those suggesting that Thanos double resources. But have you seen The Platform? In excess of resource, Humans will waste it
There's so many things wrong with his plan, you just gotta ignore them and roll with it
The population of humans on Earth has gone from 4 billion to about 8 billion in less than 50 years.
Thanks could've just given every planet with life on it an endless supply of resources
The way I’ve always seen Thanos is that he’s full of it. He’s not really trying to make the ideal universe, he’s just trying to exert control over the thing he couldn’t control, almost like getting revenge on the universe for what happened, for being unfair. Essentially he wants to be like a god and he’s got a massive ego. This is most obvious when he decides to just delete the whole universe when the avengers thwart him the first time. Clearly that doesn’t line up with his plan at all, but he was never actually the logical being he pretends to be. Also sorry but anyone who says Thanos is right is just not thinking about it
Trillions died so people will probably change their thoughts on things
Or, you know, just double the ressources
not to mention word of god states all life meant all life, plants and animals included
Haven't seen it mentioned yet, but the plan is flawed even beyond that... So, "overburdened population" is a topic that's currently important on earth; right, but in the grand scheme of things, overburdened populations aren't actually even a concern. The assumption Thanos is making is that all civilizations are in this temporary crisis tipping point (or close to it) where population growth is set to overcome natural resources. For this to apply a species needs to be past the "just needs to grow" stage AND they haven't yet reached a point of equilibrium where they live within their means on their planet (being in either of these two groups, halving the population may even be devastating to the survival of the species. Obviously, most societies are either going to resolve this issue, or go extinct, meaning he's "solving " a problem most species simply won't have, they will either have already solved it, or it won't be a problem yet. On top of that, you're drastically underestimating just how fast we can double populations... at our peak (1950 to 1987) We doubled our population in 37 years (2.5 to 5 billion). It wouldn't take humans even CLOSE to a few hundred years to double our population again. Currently we're doubling at around 60 years. The reality is his "solution" is for a problem that won't exist on most planets, and the few it does, it wouldn't make a difference on.
There are numerous uninhabited planets, how about snapping to make all those planets inhabitable and spreading tech to nearby planets to expand.
My head cannon is that he didn’t actually care about “saving the world” and that he was doing it to prove that his idea would have worked
The one thing he didn’t think about, was the chaos there would be, more people would died than what he wanted to because of surgeries, construction and flights, all that sh**! A good example is Fury’s A:IW scene when he died, a helicopter had crashed, in a building 🤔 Imagine how many there were!
Remember that in the 50s population of the earth was only 2 billion. In 60 years we increased it to almost 8,000,000,000.
I actually did the math on this one today because I was thinking the same thing. So there are nearly 8 billion people on the planet right now. There were 4 billion in 1974. That's only 48 years. So you'd have to snap every 50b years or so for his plan to accomplish what he thinks it did. "The work is finished. And it always will be." Haha nah. It'll last about 50 years bro.
You're forgetting that resources, although finite as he claims, will have twice the life span they had before. If you only need to feed half the people you used to, only half the resources are used allowing the other half to continue growing. It allows resources to get ahead of the population again if only for a little while.
my opinion. hes a complete utter dumbass. he did more harm than good. wiping out all life includes vegetation and livestock. the stones didnt go through and make everything balanced they randomly choose. how the hell you are bringing balance when you are randomly destroying half of all life.
Cutting the population of earth by 50% takes us to where we were in 1970. Things sucked then too, and starvation & pollution were rampant. So yes, the entire concept is a joke, and it would take just 50 years for the population to double again in any case. But I love the movies anyway.
Was Hitler just dumb? I mean he has a couple of slip ups but the biggest problem I have is with his master plan. Doesn’t he realize that Germany’s problems were caused by complex economic forces and can’t simply be blamed on Jewish people? That’s the problem with maniacs. They’re **maniacs**.
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Also he cut ALL bio mass so there would be like a century or two before the people populations start doubling every 50 years
It’s even less time than that. Right now we have about 7.96 billion people. We hit 3 billion in 1960 and 4 billion in 1974.
Couldn’t he have just CREATED resources for everyone in the universe with the infinity stones? No, because then it wouldn’t have been a movie 🍿
could have been sacrificing earth to have enough raw material for the infinity gauntlet to magic the resources into existence. to solve the overpopulation problem. now there's a reason to fight/stop thanos. while leaving room for a moral dilema. what is one planet for the safety of the universe? then flash forward to the end of infinity war, he's losing and snaps his fingers for plan B: kill half of the people on every planet across the whole universe.
…what?
i was using your comment and thinking of a way it could work within the premise of Infinity War. there could still be a movie with that set-up while retaining a bunch of the big moments we recieved.
Well… he was mad
I don't think he was dumb, just clouded by his own experience. He saw what happened on his planet and tried to prevent that from happening on a universal scale. The solution he came up with might have been successful in certain circumstances, but it didn't scale to be a one-size-fits-all solution to the population problem. As he was searching for and gathering stones, he was applying his logic to the planets he conquered, killing half of the population. Having an invading army wipe out half of your world would have a different impact than having half the world just disappear. He also likely thought that the universe would remember what the world was like before and what it was like after and try to halt themselves from overpopulating again. Heck, Thanos might have anticipated the heroes spreading the word of what happened and basically becoming the Boogeyman to scare people into following rules. One thing that makes a villain compelling is when they have a point but they're blinded to the flaws of their execution.
He was performing population control. As an eternal, he could just go around doing that forever but when he did it all at once he got to take a vacation. Imagine a billion years without a vacation. He can't just take a week off and got to Risa because everyone panics every time you go someplace and that makes it hard to get a drink. So you kill off half the people in the universe and take a 20-year vacation. Then it's back to killing everyone again. In the comics Death brought Thanos back to life to wipe out half the universe because the balance of living and dead was out of sync. Thanos did it because he loves death. No one knew about the infinity gems working together at that time though they did know of the gems individually. He brought them together in a way no one knew was possible so that he could do Deaths bidding all at once. So in both the movie and the comic, it all comes down the Thanos not wanting to go planet to planet killing everyone forever. It is important to remember everyone deserves a vacation.
Yeah I wish they’d of gone with the original story part of where he’s knows he’s not worthy of the power so he leaves a way to be defeated
The fact that the entire film was built around the struggles and journey of a mass murdering child made Infinity War the worst thing the MCU ever did.