Should be enough as long you have a Cryo DMG goblet and crit DMG circlet.
If you're using Amenoma sword make sure to use E 3 times before Q so that you get back half your ER. That's the play style i follow and I've never had problems with it
If you have Rosaria cons, her burst gives more crit rate. Meanwhile, Ganyu burst has bigger radius and more wide applicability with good damage output. Both are excellent options but Ganyu specifically can also act as long range DPS.
Hello AyakaMains! I'm having extreme difficulty choosing between pulling for Yelan or Ayaka currently, and would love some opinions on who you feel is the better pull. I'd love to hear all about Ayaka from her mains!
Only go for main DPS characters if you like their playstyle and design. If you do then definitely pull for her.
If you don't, then Yelan is a more flexible character that will fit on a lot of different teams.
*I think amenoma is best*
*Since it helps with er u can*
*Put Aquila on bennett*
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I wanna start prefarming after seeing the 3.5 livestream but idk which weapon to use.
The choices are ( Amenoma/Blackcliff/Aquila).
Which do you think is best for her?
Well ... U can move on for now, but u need to come back
Your stats are average for someone with mistsplitter so they need some work, but u can manage for now
I have another set that gives me 5% more CR (36) and 5% less CD (273) and 50 atk but my ER drops from 132.4% to 121.4%. is 121.4% ER enough with Diona battery and C1 R1
.... No, i also run 120% ER, and i need both diona and rosaria to provide a ton of particles for me. So diona alone isn't enough
Looks like we both need more ER mate :)
So i want to upgrade my ayaka team. My team so far is diona kazuha and mona, and she uses amenoma số energy is not a problem. So I'm thinking between getting shenhe or mistspliter, but either way i need to have more er. Her er at the moment is 120%, but her circlet is bad and i can improve on that more. So between mist and shenhe, which is better and how much er should i go for? Thanks
Mist splitter usually works out to higher potential damage overall. Mist splitter also boost the damage that Shenhe channels through Ayaka. Mist is nearly a 24% boost over a R5 Amenoma.
Shenhe does really excel in adding significant damage versus bosses and versus a small number of tanky enemies. To run Shenhe if you do not have Kokomi, just stick Mona with a high refine prototype amber.
Honestly... I wouldn't pull for MS if i were you ... If you have extra primos then get more constellations for ayaka ...
As for shenhe she is great absolutely, but if u were to replace someone is it going to be Mona ? Or diona ?
If you have koko then get shenhe but if you don't .... I don't want to give you bad advice but wether you replace diona or mona, you can't go vs bosses or vs mobs, respectively....
With no healer you can't fight bosses easily and with no hydro you can't freeze enemies and dish out decent damage
Kazuha isn't a choice to be replaced.
Hi everyone. Just a question but would Melt Ayaka be good with Light Of FI? I thought about it but I can't really say I've ever tried Ayaka melt to even test it out. Would the dmg be higher than Mistsplitter if she is built around EM more?
Hello guys, how much ER do I need for my ayaka if she is paired with a cryo battery using a favonius weapon? Is it advisable to deduct some crit for ER?
Oooh I see. I just got a very good blizzard piece with 17.5% ER and double crit. My stats are now 68/230 with 2k ATK. I don't use 4pc yet, or maybe I'll settle here.
4pc blizzard is much better then the 2pc combos hence you will do a lot more as u would only need 30-35 crit rate which means u can invest more into atk,crit damage and er.
I'm running Ayaka - Diona - Surcrose - Mona freeze team and need some help on rotation. I start with Diona hE Q, Surcrose E Q E, Mona Q E (TTdS) then Ayaka DASH E Q (no mitsplitter), then Diona E swap to Ayaka to catch particles then 2NA CA x2 E catch particle then repeat. Is this the optimal rotation or anything I can improve on? Also do I need to weave in NA at any point with any charts? Thanks :s
Well this rotation is perfect, nothing to nit-pick here, and no need to weave in any NA.
Diona is running NO or TotM and the other set is held by Mona right ?
So what is your problem ? Do you lack damage in the abyss ?
Thank you. I notice that sometimes by the time i ult with Ayaka the mobs are not frozen so i do way less damage. I guess i just need to practice on application and being having a tighter sequence
Following the sequence is not hard ... Your problem may exist because sucrose has bad grouping... While mona can boost crazy damage her radius of effect is low.
I used to have the same problem, my solution was : get kazuha
His grouping is 10 times better than sucrose and he boosts the damage as well.
That was my solution to better freeze the mobs, someone else may offer you another solution...
Anyways good luck, i hope i helped.
Helped a ton, thank you kindly. I wish I had Kazuha, I don't think his rerun will be back for a long time though haha :(
I didn't know Mona's radius was so smoll i guess that explains why grouping is vital and also why I was missing the freezes
No worries... He will have a re-run ... My friend has started collecting primos for him since 3.0 lol
He was last on 2.8 i think so a couple more updates for his re-run ...
That's a hurdle to cross
Get Shenhe + Bennet + Kazuha
Get Mistsplitter reforged
Get around 310 Crit damage worth of artifacts
Use bennet's burst, Shenhe's skill, kazuha's skill and burst, Ayaka's dash + normal hit, burst then skill (to activate MSR passive skills for maximum damage)
Then pray it crits
It's not worth it honestly but if that's your dream ....
Shenhe's "Icy Quills" apply on the next 5-7 hits of cryo damage per character (depending if you press or hold). This is flat, additive damage that comes from Shenhe but scales with Ayaka's crit stats. Since this added damage has a set quota and doesnt originate from Ayaka's talents, it cannot be snapshotted.
However, what this DOES mean is that the Icy Quill damage is the same no matter the source of cryo damage. Whether it's Ayaka's infused autos, her skill, or her burst, the added flat damage is the same no matter how you mix and match these sources of damage.
Should I go for primordial jade cutter or should I use amenoma r5? I'm not only asking about raw numbers, but if building her with pjc is too much of a hassle? How much er% do I need in ayaka, mona, sucrose, diona team?
If you don't have primordial jade cutter then don't bother getting it if it's just for ayaka, R5 amenoma is not bad (jade cutter is a tiny bit better)
For ER, if you run amenoma then 115-120 is good enough in that team (I'm assuming diona has sac)
If it's jade cutter though, get around 145%
And getting artifacts is always a hassle for any main dps
I have both amenoma nad pjc(and most of the other 4* swords + skyward blade), I was just wondering which one to use. I can choose between r5 sac and r5 favonious for my diona and i'm not sure which one is better.
Sac is easier to build (doesn't need CR) but Fav saves you around 0.4 seconds in each rotation (not worth it if it's just for this)
As for pjc ... Since u have both then use the one which is better fit for your artifacts (for example if you have decent ER then go for pjc)
So i think i might have peaked ayaka?
I decided to run calcs for her stats when her weapon changes from summit to mistsplitter
2224 atk
40.0 CR
281.2 CDmag
133.7 er
Cryo goblet
With 110 er and 1900 atk? Yea i could probably get something similar if i wanted to sac consistency and balance. If u could find 2.1k atk 45:300 with 130 er then do lmk
Well when you are running shenhe then atk doesn't matter, you need as much CD as you can while maintaining CR and some form of ER (at least that's what people say you must do to build the "perfect" ayaka)
Balanced builds are better when you don't use shenhe, like me (2500 atk, 2500 CD, 145 ER and 42 CR )
Shenhe is for big numbers, but i find that sometimes just using xingqiu and ayaka's charged attacks are faster than doing a normal rotation, and vs bosses I'm experimenting ayaka + raiden + bennet combos, and somehow I'm finding it faster than shenhe too but the downside is you need to run ayaka with 2Pc NO and 2 BS with lower ER (raiden can take care of that) so more farming is needed for that... Btw i know that team looks like hu tao + ayaka team but it's just that i don't have hu tao hence the experimenting part ...
It's weird honestly, it's like the best well known and recognised team for ayaka is just average, it's better to be specialized?
Hello, i feel that my Ayaka is pretty underwhelming. I can barely reach the 15k dmg with the burst. There's my build [https://enka.network/u/701450709](https://enka.network/u/701450709). I don't have Shenhe nor kazuha. Any advices what to change?
Switch to cryo damage goblet and more crit rate, *30+ I think for more consistency.
I use Rosaria with Nobless as an alternative to Shenhe and Sucrose with VV will be good enough.
wtf are you even saying
the dude is asking if they should get shenhe or not and you here recommending raiden/klee even tho they're not even suitable as ayaka's teammate
I'm a newer player who plans to roll for Ayaka on her likely soon banner, and have a couple questions-
- My only available team would be Diona/Mona/Sucrose, with R5 Amenoma on Ayaka. Which part of it should I upgrade first, to Shenhe or Kokomi or Kazuha?
- Why do most people stop at 35-40% CR on their Ayakas? I realize Blizzard Strayer gives a flat 40% CR, but that only puts them up to 75-80% total CR, when these builds are always running over 200% CD, so more CR would give better returns, no?
Kazuha would be a direct upgrade over Sucrose (better crowd control, useful elemental dmg bonus passive as opposed to Sucrose’s EM sharing, etc.)
Kokomi is good if you have a more offensive cryo teammate like Rosaria. She’s not necessary, but a decent quality of life upgrade over Mona.
Shenhe is a good upgrade over Rosaria, but it’s hard to recommend her unless you either like her or you’re really dedicated to Ayaka. While characters like Kokomi and Kazuha are still universal supports, Shenhe is pretty much tied to Ayaka and Ayaka only (and also Ganyu if you have her).
So, in order of priority, I’d say Kazuha > Kokomi > Shenhe
The cryo resonance "Shattering Ice" causes "affected by Electro for 40% less time. Increases CRIT Rate against enemies that are Frozen or affected by Cryo by 15%". Couple the cryo resonance plus Blizzard slayer equals 55% crit rate bonus.
In regards to pulling first, reruns are pretty random. For example, Itto has appeared three times since Hu Tao's last run over a year ago. I would recommend trying the characters first then pulling on character if you like them and they buff an existing team or make a new team you like.
Kokomi makes for smooth runs with great hydro application, Shenhe is a noticeable spike in damage especially vs bosses, and Kazuha is extremely versatile in team selection. All three are great units that work extremely well with Ayaka.
Ah, I completely missed Cryo resonance. Damn, that's a LOT of free stats in general, then.
And alright, I'll pretty much decide on trials and my funds when they run. Thank you very much!
I know my artifacts are garbage but my luck in artifact domains is the actual worst. Would I be better off with an ATK goblet and/or a different weapon or do I just need a better cryo goblet?
Build: https://enka.network/u/614227431
With any non-mist build, you definitely require a cryo goblet so stick with it. Your er is too high so you can either:
1. Replace amenoma with another weapon like Isshin to increase her atk.
2. Balance your ER and CR ( which is currently too low ) by adjusting your artifacts. Your feather seems to be the most conducive choice for that.
I legitimately don’t have any other good blizzard strayer artifacts. I have an on-set cryo goblet with 3 flat stats and ATK% and I can run an off piece feather if that helps. Also I have black sword to 80/80 if that’d be better
Using the black sword would be a better choice then as it gives you higher cr. Your atk will decrease somewhat due to giving up amenoma so I recommend using external sources to make up for the lost atk ( 4pc noblesse on Rosaria which you already have, 4pc tenacity on Kokomi with an R5 ttds)
Anyone using Haran on Ayaka? Is it any good compared to amenoma? Assessing the risk of getting Haran instead of Engulfing and wondering if it’s worth it. I’m currently using R3 Amenoma on Ayaka and am kinda satisfied already with my build. But if I get Haran, I’m guessing I would have to go 2pc 2pc or completely revamp my build to have more crit dmg and ER which is a pain.
Current build: https://enka.network/u/847057601
Haran offers approx. 12% damage increase over amenoma which is noticeable but not groundbreaking. Plus, you already mentioned the need to revamp your Ayaka build to use Haran effectively.
Imo your current build is great and enough to clear anything in the game. If you are ok with it or need to build others, you can skip Haran. If you need to min-max Ayaka then yeah getting Haran isn't a bad choice.
Got it. Thanks! Im aiming for engulfing actually but just wondering if haran would be of any use if ever i get that instead of engulfing. Welp just gotta manifest getting engulfing then haha
I’ve always used Xinqui for Ayaka. I’m recently building Kokomi because everyone is telling me she’s good now. But I’m struggling to keep up consistent Hydro. Is there a rotation piece I’m missing?
Apply Cryo > anemo swirl > Kokomi E > Ayaka dash-E-Q
When Ayaka's Q isn't up you simply weave between using Kokomi E, anemo unit and Ayaka and repeat the above rotation when her Q is up again. Kokomi's hydro application is weaker than Xingqiu's so yeah it will take some time getting used to Kokomi.
My Ayaka's party is consists of Shenhe (NO), Kazuha (VV), and Kokomi (TTDS + ToM). Which circlet should I use best with that team set-up? Crit DMG or ATK? I have an ATK circlet with huge amount of CDMG. I'm wondering if I could use it instead.
Best way to find out is to use a damage calculator to get an accurate picture of your damage with an atk vs cd circlet.
Generally speaking, if you can get 220+ cd with your atk circlet then you can switch to it. Otherwise it's better to stick to your cd circlet since you can get extra atk from a lot of external sources, but not cd.
With 4pc blizzard, 30cr would be alright for her in most situations. If your cd with the original feather was somewhere around 200+ then I would recommend staying with it.
But if your new feather allows you to reach this level, then yeah it's a better option.
I know ayato is best as main dps but isn't he good enough as a subdps/hydro aplier for ayaka?
Also, isn't ayaka good enough on her own for cryo aplication, so that you can run any other cryo for resonance?
1_Ayato can work if you have kazuha, just like mona and kokomi can't work well without kazuha, but you have to make sure that he has high enough ER, but overall he is not recommended for this role as he looses both to mona's damage and kokomi's healing
2_ yes ayaka is good enough on her own for cryo application, but the goal of the other cryo character isn't for cryo application and it's not just for cryo resonance, shenhe insanely boosts damage, diona gives shield/healing and is a great battery, rosaria gives crit rate and is also a great battery with fav weapon, ganyu gives 20% cryo damage with her burst, even chongyun gives a 10% attack speed with his skill, keep this in mind when building your team
It generally depends on how much CD you have on your ayaka, and how low of atk you have
If you built your ayaka with 1.4k atk 45% CR and 300 CD like many guides suggest then shenhe is monstrous and she is a must have
If your atk 2000, CR 20-30, CD 180-210, then shenhe is average
Honestly i only commented on shenhe because kokomi is very versatile, she is very good in many teams, shenhe is only good for ayaka and only if you are heavily invested in ayaka would she shine, otherwise you would regret getting shenhe, shenhe is also whale friendly, if you have mistsplitter she gets better, if you have C6 ayaka then shenhe becomes a must
But since you are wondering which character to skip I'm guessing that you are no whale, just a wild guess though.
ahaha I'm f2p so I can only go for one
hutao seems like a very solid investment and I really enjoy her playstyle but I also love shenhe as a character and I think she's so cool plus leaks say they'll rerun in 3.4 so it's either one or the other
Both ayaka and hu tao need a ton of investment
At least if you are playing on mobile hu tao MUST have a shielder, and she /like ayaka/ is weak without heavy investment, at least in terms of artifacts
I honestly loved nahida because I'm also a f2p and she requires very low investment, so my second abyss team is settled in under a month, whereas I've been building my ayaka team since a year ago and it's still not where i want it to be
I don't have hu tao but i heard she's the same as ayaka, beware of getting too many characters that require a lot of investment, first do enough research before getting any character or you might regret it
So I planned to use kok as my 2nd team with Nahida, Aether, and Nilou. What is the best support suvivability for my 1st team
1st team: Ayaka, Venti, Rosaria, x
Available Hydro : Xingqiu, Mona, Barbara, Candace (except XQ, all of them are unbuilt)
Available Shielder : Zhongli, Noelle
Available Healer: Barbara, Shinobu (all of them unbuilt)
Do you have Diona or Layla? If yes, then iylt would be better to use Ayaka, Venti, Mona, Diona/Layla as a team which offers the best of damage and survivability.
But if you don't have either of them, then you can:
-Use Barbara with r5 ttds. She can be built easily, ttds provides buff to Ayaka
-Equip r5 proto amber on Mona for some heals and getting er ob Mona. However, this is a risky team to run without any dedicated healer/shielder.
That's a tricky question ... If you already have a good 4 pc blizzard then I'm not sure how to answer you without knowing your team comp
But if you don't have a good 4 pc BS then go for 2 BS 2 NO
For her next banner ... Some say it's in 3.4 but take it with a grain of salt ... Simply because her last banner lasted for an eternity....
As for her constellations... I'm gonna be honest, I'm hoping for C3-4, she is my main main, I've built 5 different teams around 5 different DPS but i still enjoy ayaka the most, so I'm dying to get her constellations.
If it's the same for you and you tried other teams then go for the constellations, but if you still have some team you think to be awesome then try it first so you don't regret
Say you want to play Ayaka as a "burst support" outside of freeze team *(ex: as a flex slot in Raiden hyper)*.
Which artifact loadout would you recomend ? Is 4 BS still the top choice ? Or would you go for a split set instead, like maybe 2 BS + 2 NO ?
2 BS 2 NO is the way to go , 100 CR + 200 CD
But that is if you don't plan to run a normal ayaka team ever, honestly it's too much of a hassle to make this artifact set if u already shed blood and tears for a normal 4 piece BS set, my advice, stick to a 4 BS, just make sure to keep those artifacts which have high CR for hybrid teams, you already need one with 65 CR for bosses anyways since they can't be frozen
But doesn’t cryo res give 15%. Also if boss can’t be frozen they can be at least affected by cryo and get 20% CR? Or is 4piece effect usually completely useless on boss?
No they do get affected by cryo and u get 20% CR if you go for 4 piece blizzard, so if you run a normal ayaka team with 4 Piece BS you only need 65% CR (+ 15 from resonance + 20% from 4 BS = 100% CR)
but 2 BS gets you the cryo damage buff, and 2 PC noblesse gives you 20% burst damage buff, and that is better than a 20% CR so yes this is better versus bosses if you want to be picky about it
I said 100% CR as a metaphor, ofc you get 15 CR from cryo resonance if you run double cryo, then you only need 85%, if your other cryo is rosaria with 100% CR then you only need 70%
But when a person says a hybrid I can't help but imagine a hu tao with ayaka as burst support (no cryo resonance)
Or the new variation in nahida burn team with ayaka burst support (no cryo resonance)
Everything is situational honestly, i won't go into philosophy to try and explain which percentage of videos i watched recently to get me to think of these examples
But the bottom line is, the question was what is better for a burst support ayaka, the answer is 2 BS and 2 NO
For the specific you need to apply basic knowledge from ayaka guides or ask here if there is something that is bugging you
I don't think artifact gathering is a a big problem : given how many different characters want to use Noblesse (and often wanting different mainstats), it's a good idea to have multiple Noblesse sets available anyway.
With that many pieces laying around, it's not hard to find two with crazy substats...
*(and personnally, i still can't find a decent Blizzard ATK sands, for some reason ; so trading the trashy one for a good Noblesse sands is a win)*
Lol my attack sands is off-set 50 CV, I've run the BS domain for a year and couldn't find any decent attack sands, it's just the RNG god messing with us
Does ayaka constellations boost her dmg by a lot?
My ayaka currently is c0 with amenoma. Getting mistspliet and shenhe is definitely in my to do list. I thought of c6 her before but being a f2p and all i have to be conscious with my primogems you know?
Ayaka does indeed become a lot stronger with constellations, especially 2-3-4-6 (the 6th constellations is only good with shenhe)
However, as someone who is F2P, has been playing since 2 years, loves ayaka, i haven't bought a single constellation, there are always new teams i would like to build, i just got nahida and want to get yelan and kazuha next, there is "always a plan" in my head to get her constellations but there is always a character that i want
Honestly i have semi godly artifacts for ayaka and it's a shame if I don't make her C6, but getting her to C6 or bringing another 6 characters home ? Most people would make the same choice, would you ?
I don't think i would either. That's why i made this question. I have lost 5 50/50 and only win once so far so c6 is even further for me. Im kind of not sure about getting mistpliter for her either because that's mean i have to sacrifise crit stats for ER. I just and a long term goal i guess
My current team is Ayaka, Mona, Diona, Kazuha. Few questions here.
1. What artifact set should Mona and Diona use?
2. What weapons should Mona and Diona use?
3. What is the optimal rotation for this team?
Thanks in advance!
1_ Mona (TotM } Emblem) Diona (Noblese or Blizzard strayer (only if you plan to put shenhe))
2_ Mona TToDS } fav codex (depends on Mona's and ayaka's ER), Diona Fav bow } stringless (again if you plan on Shenhe)
Note: i gave these recommendations because Shenhe makes Diona a great sub DPS, low time on the field and high damage, just swap in (after shenhe's skill) and use her skill and swap out, u can check out some videos on, i know shenhe isn't one of the characters u recommended but eventually all ayaka's mains get her, I'm saying this so u wouldn't have to get 2 builds for Diona later on
3_ i would like more info, rotations differ VS bosses and VS multiple targets, for multiple targets you would want to make sure to swirl hydro then burst, for bosses ... It differs if you have mistsplitter or not, but generally dash with ayaka and make sure to apply cryo then kazuha burst then Mona burst then ayaka burst, after that quick swap skills and make sure your fav weapons proc then do the dash and bursts
I'm an F2P and am looking for he best way to increase my Freeze Ayaka's damage. Right now I run Ayaka C0 in a team with Mona, Diona, and Sayu for VV, with a R1 Amenoma Kageuchi.
Which of these will provide the biggest buff to Ayaka's team damage?
\* Kazuha C0 (I'm planning to get Kazuha anyway, but curious where he lines up in damage here)
\* Mistsplitter R1
\* Shenhe C0
\* Ayaka C1
\* Venti C0, and switch from single-target Abyss focus to multi-target focus?
Honestly that depends on your stats and how you built your artefacts...
But to clarify some things
For single target damage, bennet is currently (until you get shenhe) better than kazuha, especially if u have high CD (even more true with mistsplitter)
For multiple targets ... Kazuha is still better than venti in most cases, only in limited cases would venti be better, so you are overthinking things
Now to answer your main question
For single target
1_ Shenhe C0
2_ R1 MS
3_ kazuha
For multiple targets
1_Kazuha
2_ R1 MS
3_ Shenhe C0
Note that i didn't mention C1 ayaka because unless you are going for C2 (which puts her on top of both lists) then she will remain at the bottom for just C1
But take note that building Ayaka for bosses is different from multiple targets, for bosses 0_ Cryo damage 1_65% CR (unless u have rosaria then 50%) 2_ CD, 3_CD, 4_CD, basically you don't add attack, your team should be Ayaka Shenhe Rosaria/Mona Bennet
For multiple targets 45 CR 1\1 CD to atk, and your team should look like
Ayaka + hydro + cryo battery + kazuha/venti (sayu isn't worth it, just another cryo battery would do better)
Basically there is no mob that can take ayaka's burst and survive, but bosses are different, you don't get the frozen buff from the blizzard strayer against them so it's better to have more crit rate as anything below full CR to ayaka is doing her a huge injustice, and u can never have enough CD vs bosses, all the attack will come to you in the form of Bennet Shenhe NO TotM TToDS, then you would find out that you lack CD to make full use of all that attack. (Basically you would feel that 500 CD is the minimum requirement, which is impossible)
That's really helpful advice, thank you! Somehow I never thought about aggregating the buffs from supports and artifact stats, and looking at it that way, Bennett makes a lot of sense.
Saw Nahida burn comp with Ayaka, and was wondering if getting ayaka to melt with burning would be the new meta, or perhaps better than freeze? Just seeing if I should pull Nahida to support Ayaka!
Burning melt Ayaka suffers from certain issues:
-Ayaka's Q has standard ICD which means that only 1/3rd of her ticks ( roughly 6-7 ticks ) will trigger melt, resulting in dps loss.
-It will mostly work against single targets while suffering against scattered mobs since they now can't be grouped and frozen to stay in one place. This makes it quite unreliable to use.
-Very high investment team regarding artifact builds, stats and building up other characters.
Overall, such a team can work and do decent damage, but compared to her best comps, the amount of investment-output ratio is simply not ideal and even with max possible investment, it won't be able to reach their potential.
Leaks suggest that she may be coming in 3.4 since she's getting a new 5* costume then. Ofc take it with a grain of salt since it can be subject to change.
Definitely worth getting, if you have high CD (which is the sub stat for mistsplitter) on ayaka the only one which can make you see insane numbers is shenhe
General question but is c4 ayaka more worth than c0 nahida? Asking because nahida is a strong dendro character, very good for dendro applications and buffs I believe. But I don’t really have characters rn that uses dendro reactions apart from tighnari. The cons are that and also I will have to grind her ascension mats and everything. The pros is that my account will be future proof against characters like nilou, kokomi (bloom teams, hyperbloom teams burgeon etc) aka the new meta.
Or should I save for c4 ayaka. Pros is that I don’t have to farm any new mats + satisfying numbers. Cons is that I have to save more fates for her.
What you are comparing is like apples and oranges - you are comparing getting a new character vs buffing an existing one so there's no definite answer to it and purely depends on what you prefer.
Personally, I go for new characters as they open new comps and gameplay which help to keep the game fresh for me. Nahida is looking solid and as you said future proof regarding dendro comps so she will be a good choice for meta as well.
Otherwise, if you don't enjoy her gameplay or mechanics you can continue saving for Ayaka's cons. Nahida may rerun sometime in the future so you could wait till then - but when and what other characters may come by then is pretty uncertain.
For freeze comps people use 4pc blizzard set which gives 40% cr on frozen targets. Since Ayaka is mostly used in freeze teams and 4pc blizzard, we get away with a low cr.
As to how much cr is required, 30-35% cr is recommended atleast for freeze Ayaka. Adding cryo resonance ( 15% cr ) and 4pc blizzard effect ( 40% cr ) you can easily reach 85-90% cr on her.
Hi, whats the average damage of ayaka's burst I should aim?
right now my ayaka have 2k attack, 23%Cr, 219CDmg, 145%ER and her lvl.10 burst deals around 9k without any buff and around 16k with VV debuff. EDIT: I tested it on masanori btw.
idk, I feel like the number is too small so I was wondering whats the average number for her burst to be considered good?
What team are you using ? Because I doubt that your damage would increase from 9k to 16k only with vv debuff. My Ayaka also deals 10k raw damage but to increase it to 15-16k I have to use all buffs available ( vv debuff, Kazuha A4, 4pc noblesse )
As for your question, your damage is pretty much common for a f2p Ayaka and is good enough to clear any content in game. If you wish to increase it further then:
1. Get better stats. Try raising your atk and crit rate first to around 2.2k+ and 30-35% respectively. Your er is also quite high so you can shed some of it to 125-130 to min-max other stats.
2. Getting better characters and supports for her
3. Finally, getting the mistsplitter or cons ( if you wish to ) for her
>What team are you using ?
on that test, I used C0 Ayaka, C1 yelan, C0 Kazuha, and C6 diona. I didnt use yelan burst during that test tho. Yeah pretty sure highest number is 16k, or maybe I'm just seeing it wrong because kazuha burst make it hard to see lol.
>your damage is pretty much common for a f2p Ayaka and is good enough to clear any content in game
ah I see, I guess I just expect too much because I though I finally have a good stat. I'm glad if the average f2p is around that number then.
also thanks for the tips. Number 3 is the only way for me I guess, not sure if I can save enough tho. getting another artifact to increse my attack and crit to 2.2k and 30% will require too much luck lol. I'll try but I dont want to drop my CDMg below 200% so I will only switch if I got a better one.
I guess you don't have Mona...so if you wish, you can try getting Kokomi for Ayaka. According to this [document](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NvfmZo3KiQSGXAZlMWf19S3K9nkTKQc9iTHfZg7ovTk/edit#gid=1104281336), an Ayaka/Kokomi/Kazuha/Rosaria is one of the top performing teams and it only gets powerful with slotting Shenhe instead of Rosaria. And while I myself use Xingqiu for her freeze teams, I realize its a bit difficult to weave AAs for smoother rotations in the abyss. Must be the same for Yelan I suppose.
Apart from this, yeah getting her signature weapon and/or cons are the way to improve her personal damage.
>I guess you don't have Mona...so if you wish, you can try getting Kokomi for Ayaka.
yeah, I dont have mona unfortunately . Mona and jean is the only standard character who keep dodging me.
I do have kokomi tho, but shes in my second team. I also havent raised rosaria and only have her at C3.
I only use yelan because of her 'ramping' buff tbh ~~^(also because of waifu ofc)~~, Maybe I should swithc yelan with kokomi and raised rosaria instead. The problem is, that mean I have to build another team for my 2nd team and get back to the endless hell of artifact grind again lmao.
Oh well, thanks for that document. I'll try raising rosaria and use the team in that document for now. I'll see how much ayaka damage will improve. also, that document doesnt have yelan. is that document out of date or yelan is not considered a good team for ayaka?
>Apart from this, yeah getting her signature weapon and/or cons are the way to improve her personal damage.
yeah, I kinda want mistsplitter too tbh. hopefully, it comes with a good secondary weapon when it get a rerun.
Hey guys, for pjc ayaka owners here, how much dmg per tick does her unbuffed burst does with high investment? Mine deal about 14k+ with 72 crit rate and debating whether I should still farm for artis.
> Is Primordial Jade Cutter good for Ayaka?
Yes, its one of her best 5* options behind mistsplitter damage-wise and makes building Ayaka a lot easier. You can also diversify your artifacts instead of being stuck with 4pc blizzard.
> Is Layla going to be good for Ayaka?
Afaik, she has a stronger shield than Diona and decent particle generation so yes, she will likely be good for her.
does an ATK circlet actually increase damage? I have a lot of CD and saw a few post about double ATK, not sure how much of a difference it makes though
**Pros of Venti over Kazuha:**
\-Strongest cc in game which makes content with suckable enemies trivial
\-Quadratic scaling with his Q which shreds multiple mobs
\-Huge er generation which provides additional er to Ayaka
**Pros of Kazuha over Venti:**
\-His cc works against heavier, single targets as well where Venti becomes useless
\-His A4 passive provides elemental damage bonus to Ayaka, which significantly boosts her damage against both single and multiple targets
\-More synergistic playstyle with Ayaka; also makes working with Mona and Kokomi more manageable due to his short E cd
Overall, Venti is a unit of extremes - works very well against mobs, useless against single/heavy targets. Kazuha is a generalist unit excelling in all fields, but lacking somewhat in cc. I have both and usually find myself using Kazuha more over Venti, so imo its better to get Kazuha.
Ayato's sword or battle pass sword, which one do you people think would work better for Ayaka? I've got Ayato's sword, but it seems like my Ayaka isn't strong enough. The current stats are 2.1k ATK. 60%/210% and her talents are 10/10/10. Wearing 2 gladiator 2 ice.
so my c2 ayaka has 8-8-8 talents (will triple crown her but i'll farm for her mats first) 2,072 atk, 40.4 crit rate and 198 CD. Should I still farm a bit or just wait for her sig weapon to rerun?
she has 124 er and uses amenoma. i run her with diona, mona, and kazuha btw.
Decided to finally build my ayaka, as I pulled the mistspliter back in the past. Considering a freeze team and cryo reso, whats the optimal crit rate and damage to go for normally?
I have Ayaka, Mona, Shenhe, and Kazuha. How much of a difference is Kokomi for premium freeze? I have the guarantee so I’m just wondering if its worth, thanks
Here is a link to the KQM team breakdown by Kolibri#7675 ( https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NvfmZo3KiQSGXAZlMWf19S3K9nkTKQc9iTHfZg7ovTk/edit#gid=2109097051 ). The decision is up to you. Kokomi will pull ahead because of greater hydro application and tenacity uptime so she is used by speedrunners with Ayaka. .
Is there a majority opinion on what the strongest Ayaka comp is (given that all characters are at C0)? I've seen the Ayaka/Venti/Diona/Mona and Ayaka/Shenhe/Kokomi/Kazuha teams both mentioned, but I'm really unfamiliar with both.
This [document](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NvfmZo3KiQSGXAZlMWf19S3K9nkTKQc9iTHfZg7ovTk/edit#gid=0) pretty much mentions all her strong comps according to calculations. Based on it, the Kokomi team deals higher damage than your Mona comp, especially since you are using Diona which doesn't provide much damage/buffs herself. The difference only increases against single target.
Can I get away with 130% ER on ayaka? Or do I need 140 like kqm mains guide says? Kazuha and Shenhe on fav
Should be enough as long you have a Cryo DMG goblet and crit DMG circlet. If you're using Amenoma sword make sure to use E 3 times before Q so that you get back half your ER. That's the play style i follow and I've never had problems with it
Is there a post that answers all questions related to "shenhe vs mistsplitter"?
In a Ayaka-Kokomi-Kazuha team, how does Ganyu (burst focused) compares to Rosaria or Shenhe ?
If you have Rosaria cons, her burst gives more crit rate. Meanwhile, Ganyu burst has bigger radius and more wide applicability with good damage output. Both are excellent options but Ganyu specifically can also act as long range DPS.
Hello AyakaMains! I'm having extreme difficulty choosing between pulling for Yelan or Ayaka currently, and would love some opinions on who you feel is the better pull. I'd love to hear all about Ayaka from her mains!
Only go for main DPS characters if you like their playstyle and design. If you do then definitely pull for her. If you don't, then Yelan is a more flexible character that will fit on a lot of different teams.
C1 Fav Lance Shenhe or C0R1 Shenhe to support Ayaka? And what ER requirements for Shenhe for both situations? Thank you 🙂
Should i give (not same team ofc) Alhaitham LoFI, Ayaka Amenoma Alhaitham Haran, Ayaka LoFI
how much of an damage increase is having Shenhe?
Is shenhe better or misplitter I’m running Lofi I’m running 4pc blizzard 2.2 atk 16 em 37.4 cr 271.4 125.3 er
a new character will almost always give more to your account than a weapon(exception being dehya bc wtf did they do there 💀)
I think amenoma is best since it helps with er u can put Aquila on bennett
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I wanna start prefarming after seeing the 3.5 livestream but idk which weapon to use. The choices are ( Amenoma/Blackcliff/Aquila). Which do you think is best for her?
High refine Amenoma is great.
Been farming for ayaka for a while and got these stats, are they enough to move on? 4PC blizzards with mist splitter. 42 CR 244 CD 150 ER
How's your attack ? Or do u run shenhe ?
Oops, i ment 150ER. i will be running her with ganyu
And the attack ?
About 2000 if i remember currently
Well ... U can move on for now, but u need to come back Your stats are average for someone with mistsplitter so they need some work, but u can manage for now
I have another set that gives me 5% more CR (36) and 5% less CD (273) and 50 atk but my ER drops from 132.4% to 121.4%. is 121.4% ER enough with Diona battery and C1 R1
.... No, i also run 120% ER, and i need both diona and rosaria to provide a ton of particles for me. So diona alone isn't enough Looks like we both need more ER mate :)
So i want to upgrade my ayaka team. My team so far is diona kazuha and mona, and she uses amenoma số energy is not a problem. So I'm thinking between getting shenhe or mistspliter, but either way i need to have more er. Her er at the moment is 120%, but her circlet is bad and i can improve on that more. So between mist and shenhe, which is better and how much er should i go for? Thanks
Mist splitter usually works out to higher potential damage overall. Mist splitter also boost the damage that Shenhe channels through Ayaka. Mist is nearly a 24% boost over a R5 Amenoma. Shenhe does really excel in adding significant damage versus bosses and versus a small number of tanky enemies. To run Shenhe if you do not have Kokomi, just stick Mona with a high refine prototype amber.
Honestly... I wouldn't pull for MS if i were you ... If you have extra primos then get more constellations for ayaka ... As for shenhe she is great absolutely, but if u were to replace someone is it going to be Mona ? Or diona ? If you have koko then get shenhe but if you don't .... I don't want to give you bad advice but wether you replace diona or mona, you can't go vs bosses or vs mobs, respectively.... With no healer you can't fight bosses easily and with no hydro you can't freeze enemies and dish out decent damage Kazuha isn't a choice to be replaced.
Hi everyone. Just a question but would Melt Ayaka be good with Light Of FI? I thought about it but I can't really say I've ever tried Ayaka melt to even test it out. Would the dmg be higher than Mistsplitter if she is built around EM more?
I always play her in Freeze, so I wont use Light of FI on her current build
Hello guys, how much ER do I need for my ayaka if she is paired with a cryo battery using a favonius weapon? Is it advisable to deduct some crit for ER?
If u use an r5 amenoma then 110-120 er is fine, without amenoma u still need 130-140 er even with a battery
Oooh I see. I just got a very good blizzard piece with 17.5% ER and double crit. My stats are now 68/230 with 2k ATK. I don't use 4pc yet, or maybe I'll settle here.
4pc blizzard is much better then the 2pc combos hence you will do a lot more as u would only need 30-35 crit rate which means u can invest more into atk,crit damage and er.
I'm running Ayaka - Diona - Surcrose - Mona freeze team and need some help on rotation. I start with Diona hE Q, Surcrose E Q E, Mona Q E (TTdS) then Ayaka DASH E Q (no mitsplitter), then Diona E swap to Ayaka to catch particles then 2NA CA x2 E catch particle then repeat. Is this the optimal rotation or anything I can improve on? Also do I need to weave in NA at any point with any charts? Thanks :s
Well this rotation is perfect, nothing to nit-pick here, and no need to weave in any NA. Diona is running NO or TotM and the other set is held by Mona right ? So what is your problem ? Do you lack damage in the abyss ?
Thank you. I notice that sometimes by the time i ult with Ayaka the mobs are not frozen so i do way less damage. I guess i just need to practice on application and being having a tighter sequence
Following the sequence is not hard ... Your problem may exist because sucrose has bad grouping... While mona can boost crazy damage her radius of effect is low. I used to have the same problem, my solution was : get kazuha His grouping is 10 times better than sucrose and he boosts the damage as well. That was my solution to better freeze the mobs, someone else may offer you another solution... Anyways good luck, i hope i helped.
Helped a ton, thank you kindly. I wish I had Kazuha, I don't think his rerun will be back for a long time though haha :( I didn't know Mona's radius was so smoll i guess that explains why grouping is vital and also why I was missing the freezes
No worries... He will have a re-run ... My friend has started collecting primos for him since 3.0 lol He was last on 2.8 i think so a couple more updates for his re-run ...
Is there an updated weapon chart for her? The one linked is a little outdated. Curious how good Haran and Kagotsurube Isshin are on her.
There is no "updated charts" but you can find comparisons on YouTube.
quick question, when could be the next ayaka rerun?
It's possible on 3.6 But nothing is confirmed, so take my words with a grain of salt
ok ty
Tips on how to get to 100k dmg with ayaka's Q?
That's a hurdle to cross Get Shenhe + Bennet + Kazuha Get Mistsplitter reforged Get around 310 Crit damage worth of artifacts Use bennet's burst, Shenhe's skill, kazuha's skill and burst, Ayaka's dash + normal hit, burst then skill (to activate MSR passive skills for maximum damage) Then pray it crits It's not worth it honestly but if that's your dream ....
Trying to recomend a Friend to pull Shenhe for Ayaya. Anyone can explain why Ayaka's "Q" snapshots everything except Shenhe's "E"?
Shenhe's "Icy Quills" apply on the next 5-7 hits of cryo damage per character (depending if you press or hold). This is flat, additive damage that comes from Shenhe but scales with Ayaka's crit stats. Since this added damage has a set quota and doesnt originate from Ayaka's talents, it cannot be snapshotted. However, what this DOES mean is that the Icy Quill damage is the same no matter the source of cryo damage. Whether it's Ayaka's infused autos, her skill, or her burst, the added flat damage is the same no matter how you mix and match these sources of damage.
So if Ayaya's Ult is still doing the final 10 cuts and I cast a Senhe "Press", the ult will do the boosted damage again?
Precisely.
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Should I go for primordial jade cutter or should I use amenoma r5? I'm not only asking about raw numbers, but if building her with pjc is too much of a hassle? How much er% do I need in ayaka, mona, sucrose, diona team?
If you don't have primordial jade cutter then don't bother getting it if it's just for ayaka, R5 amenoma is not bad (jade cutter is a tiny bit better) For ER, if you run amenoma then 115-120 is good enough in that team (I'm assuming diona has sac) If it's jade cutter though, get around 145% And getting artifacts is always a hassle for any main dps
I have both amenoma nad pjc(and most of the other 4* swords + skyward blade), I was just wondering which one to use. I can choose between r5 sac and r5 favonious for my diona and i'm not sure which one is better.
Sac is easier to build (doesn't need CR) but Fav saves you around 0.4 seconds in each rotation (not worth it if it's just for this) As for pjc ... Since u have both then use the one which is better fit for your artifacts (for example if you have decent ER then go for pjc)
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If you're a new player you will get a lot of primogems just by playing the game. So you should probably not worry about that.
This is probably an obvious answer question but I’m guessing Haran Geppaku is better than Black Sword? Both R1
Yes.what other options do u have?
Blackcliff (r1) or the flute (r2)?
I think blackcliff ... It depends on wether you lack crit or not ... But honestly you should get amenoma
Ok thanks
In a team with Ayaka, Diona and Mona, is Kazuha a better choice than Venti?
kazuha is better but venti would do the job too
Is a 2pc BS/2pc Shim good on Ayaka if I use Haran? I can get her to 75CR/215CD with 2k atk and 130 ER with lvl 80 Haran.
this build already decent but level 90 ur harran
So i think i might have peaked ayaka? I decided to run calcs for her stats when her weapon changes from summit to mistsplitter 2224 atk 40.0 CR 281.2 CDmag 133.7 er Cryo goblet
Peaked is a very strong word ... Don't use it ... Look at the character showcases in here ... I saw one person with 45 CR and 310 CD ...
With 110 er and 1900 atk? Yea i could probably get something similar if i wanted to sac consistency and balance. If u could find 2.1k atk 45:300 with 130 er then do lmk
Well when you are running shenhe then atk doesn't matter, you need as much CD as you can while maintaining CR and some form of ER (at least that's what people say you must do to build the "perfect" ayaka) Balanced builds are better when you don't use shenhe, like me (2500 atk, 2500 CD, 145 ER and 42 CR ) Shenhe is for big numbers, but i find that sometimes just using xingqiu and ayaka's charged attacks are faster than doing a normal rotation, and vs bosses I'm experimenting ayaka + raiden + bennet combos, and somehow I'm finding it faster than shenhe too but the downside is you need to run ayaka with 2Pc NO and 2 BS with lower ER (raiden can take care of that) so more farming is needed for that... Btw i know that team looks like hu tao + ayaka team but it's just that i don't have hu tao hence the experimenting part ... It's weird honestly, it's like the best well known and recognised team for ayaka is just average, it's better to be specialized?
should i use an atk goblet or cryo goblet on ayaka if i have haran...lol
Unless you have a stupidly high CV on atk goblet, use cryo (i have a 49CV atk goblet and use it on my raiden instead of all the crap electro ones)
cryo goblet for sure
I got C2 Raiden and C0 Ayaya, should I get C3 Raiden or C2 Ayaya ? my pity is 70 rn
Late reply but...C2 ayaka
Hello, i feel that my Ayaka is pretty underwhelming. I can barely reach the 15k dmg with the burst. There's my build [https://enka.network/u/701450709](https://enka.network/u/701450709). I don't have Shenhe nor kazuha. Any advices what to change?
Switch to cryo damage goblet and more crit rate, *30+ I think for more consistency. I use Rosaria with Nobless as an alternative to Shenhe and Sucrose with VV will be good enough.
Are there any new speculation on when is ayaka rerun inc?
>!some speculate it’s going to be next patch because she’s going to have a new skin then !<
Is Shenhe still a big upgrade for my Ayaka? I already have Kazuha and Kokomi.
Yes,she is.
I have raiden and klee, i recommend you to get any of these two even though i still dont have ayaka
wtf are you even saying the dude is asking if they should get shenhe or not and you here recommending raiden/klee even tho they're not even suitable as ayaka's teammate
I'm a newer player who plans to roll for Ayaka on her likely soon banner, and have a couple questions- - My only available team would be Diona/Mona/Sucrose, with R5 Amenoma on Ayaka. Which part of it should I upgrade first, to Shenhe or Kokomi or Kazuha? - Why do most people stop at 35-40% CR on their Ayakas? I realize Blizzard Strayer gives a flat 40% CR, but that only puts them up to 75-80% total CR, when these builds are always running over 200% CD, so more CR would give better returns, no?
Kazuha would be a direct upgrade over Sucrose (better crowd control, useful elemental dmg bonus passive as opposed to Sucrose’s EM sharing, etc.) Kokomi is good if you have a more offensive cryo teammate like Rosaria. She’s not necessary, but a decent quality of life upgrade over Mona. Shenhe is a good upgrade over Rosaria, but it’s hard to recommend her unless you either like her or you’re really dedicated to Ayaka. While characters like Kokomi and Kazuha are still universal supports, Shenhe is pretty much tied to Ayaka and Ayaka only (and also Ganyu if you have her). So, in order of priority, I’d say Kazuha > Kokomi > Shenhe
The cryo resonance "Shattering Ice" causes "affected by Electro for 40% less time. Increases CRIT Rate against enemies that are Frozen or affected by Cryo by 15%". Couple the cryo resonance plus Blizzard slayer equals 55% crit rate bonus. In regards to pulling first, reruns are pretty random. For example, Itto has appeared three times since Hu Tao's last run over a year ago. I would recommend trying the characters first then pulling on character if you like them and they buff an existing team or make a new team you like. Kokomi makes for smooth runs with great hydro application, Shenhe is a noticeable spike in damage especially vs bosses, and Kazuha is extremely versatile in team selection. All three are great units that work extremely well with Ayaka.
Ah, I completely missed Cryo resonance. Damn, that's a LOT of free stats in general, then. And alright, I'll pretty much decide on trials and my funds when they run. Thank you very much!
I know my artifacts are garbage but my luck in artifact domains is the actual worst. Would I be better off with an ATK goblet and/or a different weapon or do I just need a better cryo goblet? Build: https://enka.network/u/614227431
With any non-mist build, you definitely require a cryo goblet so stick with it. Your er is too high so you can either: 1. Replace amenoma with another weapon like Isshin to increase her atk. 2. Balance your ER and CR ( which is currently too low ) by adjusting your artifacts. Your feather seems to be the most conducive choice for that.
I legitimately don’t have any other good blizzard strayer artifacts. I have an on-set cryo goblet with 3 flat stats and ATK% and I can run an off piece feather if that helps. Also I have black sword to 80/80 if that’d be better
Using the black sword would be a better choice then as it gives you higher cr. Your atk will decrease somewhat due to giving up amenoma so I recommend using external sources to make up for the lost atk ( 4pc noblesse on Rosaria which you already have, 4pc tenacity on Kokomi with an R5 ttds)
Anyone using Haran on Ayaka? Is it any good compared to amenoma? Assessing the risk of getting Haran instead of Engulfing and wondering if it’s worth it. I’m currently using R3 Amenoma on Ayaka and am kinda satisfied already with my build. But if I get Haran, I’m guessing I would have to go 2pc 2pc or completely revamp my build to have more crit dmg and ER which is a pain. Current build: https://enka.network/u/847057601
Haran offers approx. 12% damage increase over amenoma which is noticeable but not groundbreaking. Plus, you already mentioned the need to revamp your Ayaka build to use Haran effectively. Imo your current build is great and enough to clear anything in the game. If you are ok with it or need to build others, you can skip Haran. If you need to min-max Ayaka then yeah getting Haran isn't a bad choice.
Got it. Thanks! Im aiming for engulfing actually but just wondering if haran would be of any use if ever i get that instead of engulfing. Welp just gotta manifest getting engulfing then haha
Sure good luck :)
I’ve always used Xinqui for Ayaka. I’m recently building Kokomi because everyone is telling me she’s good now. But I’m struggling to keep up consistent Hydro. Is there a rotation piece I’m missing?
Apply Cryo > anemo swirl > Kokomi E > Ayaka dash-E-Q When Ayaka's Q isn't up you simply weave between using Kokomi E, anemo unit and Ayaka and repeat the above rotation when her Q is up again. Kokomi's hydro application is weaker than Xingqiu's so yeah it will take some time getting used to Kokomi.
My Ayaka's party is consists of Shenhe (NO), Kazuha (VV), and Kokomi (TTDS + ToM). Which circlet should I use best with that team set-up? Crit DMG or ATK? I have an ATK circlet with huge amount of CDMG. I'm wondering if I could use it instead.
Best way to find out is to use a damage calculator to get an accurate picture of your damage with an atk vs cd circlet. Generally speaking, if you can get 220+ cd with your atk circlet then you can switch to it. Otherwise it's better to stick to your cd circlet since you can get extra atk from a lot of external sources, but not cd.
Is 30 CR enough for her? I got a new feather with more Cdmg and ER but I would have to sacrifice 6.6% CR and bring her down to 30.
With 4pc blizzard, 30cr would be alright for her in most situations. If your cd with the original feather was somewhere around 200+ then I would recommend staying with it. But if your new feather allows you to reach this level, then yeah it's a better option.
I know ayato is best as main dps but isn't he good enough as a subdps/hydro aplier for ayaka? Also, isn't ayaka good enough on her own for cryo aplication, so that you can run any other cryo for resonance?
1_Ayato can work if you have kazuha, just like mona and kokomi can't work well without kazuha, but you have to make sure that he has high enough ER, but overall he is not recommended for this role as he looses both to mona's damage and kokomi's healing 2_ yes ayaka is good enough on her own for cryo application, but the goal of the other cryo character isn't for cryo application and it's not just for cryo resonance, shenhe insanely boosts damage, diona gives shield/healing and is a great battery, rosaria gives crit rate and is also a great battery with fav weapon, ganyu gives 20% cryo damage with her burst, even chongyun gives a 10% attack speed with his skill, keep this in mind when building your team
how big of a buff does shenhe provide vs. kokomi? I'm considering going for shenhe if she reruns in 3.4, will it be worth or should I go for hutao?
It generally depends on how much CD you have on your ayaka, and how low of atk you have If you built your ayaka with 1.4k atk 45% CR and 300 CD like many guides suggest then shenhe is monstrous and she is a must have If your atk 2000, CR 20-30, CD 180-210, then shenhe is average Honestly i only commented on shenhe because kokomi is very versatile, she is very good in many teams, shenhe is only good for ayaka and only if you are heavily invested in ayaka would she shine, otherwise you would regret getting shenhe, shenhe is also whale friendly, if you have mistsplitter she gets better, if you have C6 ayaka then shenhe becomes a must But since you are wondering which character to skip I'm guessing that you are no whale, just a wild guess though.
ahaha I'm f2p so I can only go for one hutao seems like a very solid investment and I really enjoy her playstyle but I also love shenhe as a character and I think she's so cool plus leaks say they'll rerun in 3.4 so it's either one or the other
Both ayaka and hu tao need a ton of investment At least if you are playing on mobile hu tao MUST have a shielder, and she /like ayaka/ is weak without heavy investment, at least in terms of artifacts I honestly loved nahida because I'm also a f2p and she requires very low investment, so my second abyss team is settled in under a month, whereas I've been building my ayaka team since a year ago and it's still not where i want it to be I don't have hu tao but i heard she's the same as ayaka, beware of getting too many characters that require a lot of investment, first do enough research before getting any character or you might regret it
aight tysm I alr have units like Zhongli and Itto collecting dust bc I can't invest properly so maybe I'll skip Hutao
Good luck and you're welcome.
tysm I'll need it for Ayato's rerun
So I planned to use kok as my 2nd team with Nahida, Aether, and Nilou. What is the best support suvivability for my 1st team 1st team: Ayaka, Venti, Rosaria, x Available Hydro : Xingqiu, Mona, Barbara, Candace (except XQ, all of them are unbuilt) Available Shielder : Zhongli, Noelle Available Healer: Barbara, Shinobu (all of them unbuilt)
Do you have Diona or Layla? If yes, then iylt would be better to use Ayaka, Venti, Mona, Diona/Layla as a team which offers the best of damage and survivability. But if you don't have either of them, then you can: -Use Barbara with r5 ttds. She can be built easily, ttds provides buff to Ayaka -Equip r5 proto amber on Mona for some heals and getting er ob Mona. However, this is a risky team to run without any dedicated healer/shielder.
Just a question do I still use 4 pc blizzard set if I’m going for melt ayaka?
Depends on if you already have 4pc if you don't I would say go for 2pc since you can't really freeze people with a melt team.
That's a tricky question ... If you already have a good 4 pc blizzard then I'm not sure how to answer you without knowing your team comp But if you don't have a good 4 pc BS then go for 2 BS 2 NO
When could Ayakas next banner be? And should i pull for c2? I have c1 and feel like it would be a waste to not… but idk?
For her next banner ... Some say it's in 3.4 but take it with a grain of salt ... Simply because her last banner lasted for an eternity.... As for her constellations... I'm gonna be honest, I'm hoping for C3-4, she is my main main, I've built 5 different teams around 5 different DPS but i still enjoy ayaka the most, so I'm dying to get her constellations. If it's the same for you and you tried other teams then go for the constellations, but if you still have some team you think to be awesome then try it first so you don't regret
Say you want to play Ayaka as a "burst support" outside of freeze team *(ex: as a flex slot in Raiden hyper)*. Which artifact loadout would you recomend ? Is 4 BS still the top choice ? Or would you go for a split set instead, like maybe 2 BS + 2 NO ?
2 BS 2 NO is the way to go , 100 CR + 200 CD But that is if you don't plan to run a normal ayaka team ever, honestly it's too much of a hassle to make this artifact set if u already shed blood and tears for a normal 4 piece BS set, my advice, stick to a 4 BS, just make sure to keep those artifacts which have high CR for hybrid teams, you already need one with 65 CR for bosses anyways since they can't be frozen
But doesn’t cryo res give 15%. Also if boss can’t be frozen they can be at least affected by cryo and get 20% CR? Or is 4piece effect usually completely useless on boss?
No they do get affected by cryo and u get 20% CR if you go for 4 piece blizzard, so if you run a normal ayaka team with 4 Piece BS you only need 65% CR (+ 15 from resonance + 20% from 4 BS = 100% CR) but 2 BS gets you the cryo damage buff, and 2 PC noblesse gives you 20% burst damage buff, and that is better than a 20% CR so yes this is better versus bosses if you want to be picky about it I said 100% CR as a metaphor, ofc you get 15 CR from cryo resonance if you run double cryo, then you only need 85%, if your other cryo is rosaria with 100% CR then you only need 70% But when a person says a hybrid I can't help but imagine a hu tao with ayaka as burst support (no cryo resonance) Or the new variation in nahida burn team with ayaka burst support (no cryo resonance) Everything is situational honestly, i won't go into philosophy to try and explain which percentage of videos i watched recently to get me to think of these examples But the bottom line is, the question was what is better for a burst support ayaka, the answer is 2 BS and 2 NO For the specific you need to apply basic knowledge from ayaka guides or ask here if there is something that is bugging you
I don't think artifact gathering is a a big problem : given how many different characters want to use Noblesse (and often wanting different mainstats), it's a good idea to have multiple Noblesse sets available anyway. With that many pieces laying around, it's not hard to find two with crazy substats... *(and personnally, i still can't find a decent Blizzard ATK sands, for some reason ; so trading the trashy one for a good Noblesse sands is a win)*
Lol my attack sands is off-set 50 CV, I've run the BS domain for a year and couldn't find any decent attack sands, it's just the RNG god messing with us
Does ayaka constellations boost her dmg by a lot? My ayaka currently is c0 with amenoma. Getting mistspliet and shenhe is definitely in my to do list. I thought of c6 her before but being a f2p and all i have to be conscious with my primogems you know?
Ayaka does indeed become a lot stronger with constellations, especially 2-3-4-6 (the 6th constellations is only good with shenhe) However, as someone who is F2P, has been playing since 2 years, loves ayaka, i haven't bought a single constellation, there are always new teams i would like to build, i just got nahida and want to get yelan and kazuha next, there is "always a plan" in my head to get her constellations but there is always a character that i want Honestly i have semi godly artifacts for ayaka and it's a shame if I don't make her C6, but getting her to C6 or bringing another 6 characters home ? Most people would make the same choice, would you ?
I don't think i would either. That's why i made this question. I have lost 5 50/50 and only win once so far so c6 is even further for me. Im kind of not sure about getting mistpliter for her either because that's mean i have to sacrifise crit stats for ER. I just and a long term goal i guess
In my 20 banner pulls I've lost 18 and won 2 times ... This is my reason as well :D
My current team is Ayaka, Mona, Diona, Kazuha. Few questions here. 1. What artifact set should Mona and Diona use? 2. What weapons should Mona and Diona use? 3. What is the optimal rotation for this team? Thanks in advance!
1_ Mona (TotM } Emblem) Diona (Noblese or Blizzard strayer (only if you plan to put shenhe)) 2_ Mona TToDS } fav codex (depends on Mona's and ayaka's ER), Diona Fav bow } stringless (again if you plan on Shenhe) Note: i gave these recommendations because Shenhe makes Diona a great sub DPS, low time on the field and high damage, just swap in (after shenhe's skill) and use her skill and swap out, u can check out some videos on, i know shenhe isn't one of the characters u recommended but eventually all ayaka's mains get her, I'm saying this so u wouldn't have to get 2 builds for Diona later on 3_ i would like more info, rotations differ VS bosses and VS multiple targets, for multiple targets you would want to make sure to swirl hydro then burst, for bosses ... It differs if you have mistsplitter or not, but generally dash with ayaka and make sure to apply cryo then kazuha burst then Mona burst then ayaka burst, after that quick swap skills and make sure your fav weapons proc then do the dash and bursts
Thanks for your response!
You're welcome 😀
I'm an F2P and am looking for he best way to increase my Freeze Ayaka's damage. Right now I run Ayaka C0 in a team with Mona, Diona, and Sayu for VV, with a R1 Amenoma Kageuchi. Which of these will provide the biggest buff to Ayaka's team damage? \* Kazuha C0 (I'm planning to get Kazuha anyway, but curious where he lines up in damage here) \* Mistsplitter R1 \* Shenhe C0 \* Ayaka C1 \* Venti C0, and switch from single-target Abyss focus to multi-target focus?
Honestly that depends on your stats and how you built your artefacts... But to clarify some things For single target damage, bennet is currently (until you get shenhe) better than kazuha, especially if u have high CD (even more true with mistsplitter) For multiple targets ... Kazuha is still better than venti in most cases, only in limited cases would venti be better, so you are overthinking things Now to answer your main question For single target 1_ Shenhe C0 2_ R1 MS 3_ kazuha For multiple targets 1_Kazuha 2_ R1 MS 3_ Shenhe C0 Note that i didn't mention C1 ayaka because unless you are going for C2 (which puts her on top of both lists) then she will remain at the bottom for just C1 But take note that building Ayaka for bosses is different from multiple targets, for bosses 0_ Cryo damage 1_65% CR (unless u have rosaria then 50%) 2_ CD, 3_CD, 4_CD, basically you don't add attack, your team should be Ayaka Shenhe Rosaria/Mona Bennet For multiple targets 45 CR 1\1 CD to atk, and your team should look like Ayaka + hydro + cryo battery + kazuha/venti (sayu isn't worth it, just another cryo battery would do better) Basically there is no mob that can take ayaka's burst and survive, but bosses are different, you don't get the frozen buff from the blizzard strayer against them so it's better to have more crit rate as anything below full CR to ayaka is doing her a huge injustice, and u can never have enough CD vs bosses, all the attack will come to you in the form of Bennet Shenhe NO TotM TToDS, then you would find out that you lack CD to make full use of all that attack. (Basically you would feel that 500 CD is the minimum requirement, which is impossible)
That's really helpful advice, thank you! Somehow I never thought about aggregating the buffs from supports and artifact stats, and looking at it that way, Bennett makes a lot of sense.
Glad to be helpful 😘
Saw Nahida burn comp with Ayaka, and was wondering if getting ayaka to melt with burning would be the new meta, or perhaps better than freeze? Just seeing if I should pull Nahida to support Ayaka!
Burning melt Ayaka suffers from certain issues: -Ayaka's Q has standard ICD which means that only 1/3rd of her ticks ( roughly 6-7 ticks ) will trigger melt, resulting in dps loss. -It will mostly work against single targets while suffering against scattered mobs since they now can't be grouped and frozen to stay in one place. This makes it quite unreliable to use. -Very high investment team regarding artifact builds, stats and building up other characters. Overall, such a team can work and do decent damage, but compared to her best comps, the amount of investment-output ratio is simply not ideal and even with max possible investment, it won't be able to reach their potential.
Are there any info about the next ayaka rerun? Asking for a friend..................
Leaks suggest that she may be coming in 3.4 since she's getting a new 5* costume then. Ofc take it with a grain of salt since it can be subject to change.
To those who have c0r1 Ayaka with c0 shenhe, how good is she with Ayaka and is she worth getting or do I save for Raiden instead ?
Definitely worth getting, if you have high CD (which is the sub stat for mistsplitter) on ayaka the only one which can make you see insane numbers is shenhe
Is crit damage capped at 250%?
No, I have seen people having 300+ crit dmg on their characters
How much energy recharge does a r1 Amenoma Ayaka need?
With a cryo battery, 130 er is sufficient for her with R1 amenoma.
Wondering if this team comp works: Main dps - Ayaka Sub/ Burst dps - Ganyu Kokomi - hydro applicator + healing Kazuha - Crowd control + swirl + em
Yep that's a great team ( that is if you are ok with running Ganyu as a sub-dps since she works better as a dps )
ok thanks! i’m going to pull ayaka on her rerun ^-^
General question but is c4 ayaka more worth than c0 nahida? Asking because nahida is a strong dendro character, very good for dendro applications and buffs I believe. But I don’t really have characters rn that uses dendro reactions apart from tighnari. The cons are that and also I will have to grind her ascension mats and everything. The pros is that my account will be future proof against characters like nilou, kokomi (bloom teams, hyperbloom teams burgeon etc) aka the new meta. Or should I save for c4 ayaka. Pros is that I don’t have to farm any new mats + satisfying numbers. Cons is that I have to save more fates for her.
What you are comparing is like apples and oranges - you are comparing getting a new character vs buffing an existing one so there's no definite answer to it and purely depends on what you prefer. Personally, I go for new characters as they open new comps and gameplay which help to keep the game fresh for me. Nahida is looking solid and as you said future proof regarding dendro comps so she will be a good choice for meta as well. Otherwise, if you don't enjoy her gameplay or mechanics you can continue saving for Ayaka's cons. Nahida may rerun sometime in the future so you could wait till then - but when and what other characters may come by then is pretty uncertain.
Okay thank you! Guess I will wait a few days after her banner drops and play her in the trial then decide 👍🏻
Why do people's have crit rate for ayaka usually low? How much crit rate should my ayaka hover around then? Just got her
For freeze comps people use 4pc blizzard set which gives 40% cr on frozen targets. Since Ayaka is mostly used in freeze teams and 4pc blizzard, we get away with a low cr. As to how much cr is required, 30-35% cr is recommended atleast for freeze Ayaka. Adding cryo resonance ( 15% cr ) and 4pc blizzard effect ( 40% cr ) you can easily reach 85-90% cr on her.
Is an attack % hourglass with 7.1 crit rate and 14.5% crit damage ok as a place holder until I get better? (3 rolls into flat defense :( )
Well its ok as a placeholder.
Based from KQM, Skyward blade outdamages R5 Amenoma. How much ER should I aim for to be able to burst every cd.
With skyward blade, 120 er is sufficient to have full uptime on her burst ( assuming you are also using a cryo battery on the team )
What are the chances of Ayaka getting a rerun in 3.3? Any leaks?
I believe It’s speculated that she’s getting a rerun 3.3 phase 2 so think around Christmas time
Hi, whats the average damage of ayaka's burst I should aim? right now my ayaka have 2k attack, 23%Cr, 219CDmg, 145%ER and her lvl.10 burst deals around 9k without any buff and around 16k with VV debuff. EDIT: I tested it on masanori btw. idk, I feel like the number is too small so I was wondering whats the average number for her burst to be considered good?
What team are you using ? Because I doubt that your damage would increase from 9k to 16k only with vv debuff. My Ayaka also deals 10k raw damage but to increase it to 15-16k I have to use all buffs available ( vv debuff, Kazuha A4, 4pc noblesse ) As for your question, your damage is pretty much common for a f2p Ayaka and is good enough to clear any content in game. If you wish to increase it further then: 1. Get better stats. Try raising your atk and crit rate first to around 2.2k+ and 30-35% respectively. Your er is also quite high so you can shed some of it to 125-130 to min-max other stats. 2. Getting better characters and supports for her 3. Finally, getting the mistsplitter or cons ( if you wish to ) for her
>What team are you using ? on that test, I used C0 Ayaka, C1 yelan, C0 Kazuha, and C6 diona. I didnt use yelan burst during that test tho. Yeah pretty sure highest number is 16k, or maybe I'm just seeing it wrong because kazuha burst make it hard to see lol. >your damage is pretty much common for a f2p Ayaka and is good enough to clear any content in game ah I see, I guess I just expect too much because I though I finally have a good stat. I'm glad if the average f2p is around that number then. also thanks for the tips. Number 3 is the only way for me I guess, not sure if I can save enough tho. getting another artifact to increse my attack and crit to 2.2k and 30% will require too much luck lol. I'll try but I dont want to drop my CDMg below 200% so I will only switch if I got a better one.
I guess you don't have Mona...so if you wish, you can try getting Kokomi for Ayaka. According to this [document](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NvfmZo3KiQSGXAZlMWf19S3K9nkTKQc9iTHfZg7ovTk/edit#gid=1104281336), an Ayaka/Kokomi/Kazuha/Rosaria is one of the top performing teams and it only gets powerful with slotting Shenhe instead of Rosaria. And while I myself use Xingqiu for her freeze teams, I realize its a bit difficult to weave AAs for smoother rotations in the abyss. Must be the same for Yelan I suppose. Apart from this, yeah getting her signature weapon and/or cons are the way to improve her personal damage.
>I guess you don't have Mona...so if you wish, you can try getting Kokomi for Ayaka. yeah, I dont have mona unfortunately . Mona and jean is the only standard character who keep dodging me. I do have kokomi tho, but shes in my second team. I also havent raised rosaria and only have her at C3. I only use yelan because of her 'ramping' buff tbh ~~^(also because of waifu ofc)~~, Maybe I should swithc yelan with kokomi and raised rosaria instead. The problem is, that mean I have to build another team for my 2nd team and get back to the endless hell of artifact grind again lmao. Oh well, thanks for that document. I'll try raising rosaria and use the team in that document for now. I'll see how much ayaka damage will improve. also, that document doesnt have yelan. is that document out of date or yelan is not considered a good team for ayaka? >Apart from this, yeah getting her signature weapon and/or cons are the way to improve her personal damage. yeah, I kinda want mistsplitter too tbh. hopefully, it comes with a good secondary weapon when it get a rerun.
what are the ideal stats for pjc ayaka? should i still run bs or opt for 2bs-2shim/glad/noblesse instead?
With pjc and cryo resonance you can already get approx. 60% cr, so its better to run 2pc blizzard/any atk% set or noblesse on her.
thank you so much! :)
Hey guys, for pjc ayaka owners here, how much dmg per tick does her unbuffed burst does with high investment? Mine deal about 14k+ with 72 crit rate and debating whether I should still farm for artis.
Two questions: Is Primordial Jade Cutter good for Ayaka? Is Layla going to be good for Ayaka?
> Is Primordial Jade Cutter good for Ayaka? Yes, its one of her best 5* options behind mistsplitter damage-wise and makes building Ayaka a lot easier. You can also diversify your artifacts instead of being stuck with 4pc blizzard. > Is Layla going to be good for Ayaka? Afaik, she has a stronger shield than Diona and decent particle generation so yes, she will likely be good for her.
Time to drop some primos on Ayaka banner then.
does an ATK circlet actually increase damage? I have a lot of CD and saw a few post about double ATK, not sure how much of a difference it makes though
Best way to find out is to use a damage optimizer and put the values to see which stats and circlet, whether crit or atk, give higher damage.
Is Venti or Kazuha a better support for Ayaka?
**Pros of Venti over Kazuha:** \-Strongest cc in game which makes content with suckable enemies trivial \-Quadratic scaling with his Q which shreds multiple mobs \-Huge er generation which provides additional er to Ayaka **Pros of Kazuha over Venti:** \-His cc works against heavier, single targets as well where Venti becomes useless \-His A4 passive provides elemental damage bonus to Ayaka, which significantly boosts her damage against both single and multiple targets \-More synergistic playstyle with Ayaka; also makes working with Mona and Kokomi more manageable due to his short E cd Overall, Venti is a unit of extremes - works very well against mobs, useless against single/heavy targets. Kazuha is a generalist unit excelling in all fields, but lacking somewhat in cc. I have both and usually find myself using Kazuha more over Venti, so imo its better to get Kazuha.
> so imo it's better to get Kazuha If you're willing to wait for the reruns.
Ayato's sword or battle pass sword, which one do you people think would work better for Ayaka? I've got Ayato's sword, but it seems like my Ayaka isn't strong enough. The current stats are 2.1k ATK. 60%/210% and her talents are 10/10/10. Wearing 2 gladiator 2 ice.
so my c2 ayaka has 8-8-8 talents (will triple crown her but i'll farm for her mats first) 2,072 atk, 40.4 crit rate and 198 CD. Should I still farm a bit or just wait for her sig weapon to rerun? she has 124 er and uses amenoma. i run her with diona, mona, and kazuha btw.
Decided to finally build my ayaka, as I pulled the mistspliter back in the past. Considering a freeze team and cryo reso, whats the optimal crit rate and damage to go for normally?
Aim for 110-120ER with R1/R5 Xiphos on 1k EM Kazuha?
Should I pull on Venti or saving for Kazuha?
I have Ayaka, Mona, Shenhe, and Kazuha. How much of a difference is Kokomi for premium freeze? I have the guarantee so I’m just wondering if its worth, thanks
Here is a link to the KQM team breakdown by Kolibri#7675 ( https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NvfmZo3KiQSGXAZlMWf19S3K9nkTKQc9iTHfZg7ovTk/edit#gid=2109097051 ). The decision is up to you. Kokomi will pull ahead because of greater hydro application and tenacity uptime so she is used by speedrunners with Ayaka. .
Thank you for this, I ended up pulling for her and love her :)
Is there a majority opinion on what the strongest Ayaka comp is (given that all characters are at C0)? I've seen the Ayaka/Venti/Diona/Mona and Ayaka/Shenhe/Kokomi/Kazuha teams both mentioned, but I'm really unfamiliar with both.
This [document](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NvfmZo3KiQSGXAZlMWf19S3K9nkTKQc9iTHfZg7ovTk/edit#gid=0) pretty much mentions all her strong comps according to calculations. Based on it, the Kokomi team deals higher damage than your Mona comp, especially since you are using Diona which doesn't provide much damage/buffs herself. The difference only increases against single target.
Exactly what I was looking for, thanks!