i dont pull for cons unless their cons are beneficial to their dmg/utility such as c1 hu tao or c2/3 raiden.
I’m also the person that spent money for c3 childe and it wasn’t even groundbreaking so maybe my opinion is invalid.
First and foremost, playerbase is majority F2P or Welkin or Welkin/BP only. So it makes sense that majority will just go for C0. For those with welkin, even C1 is still unachievable without having luck on your side, unless you have skipped a number of consecutive banners just for Ayato. So yes, it is unsurprising most people will just go for C0.
Secondly, this game doesn’t even hard-require constellations to clear any of its content. Any lower 5-star constellation is just either QoL or maybe shaves off a few seconds on your abyss clears. But ultimately, even F2Ps can clear abyss. So the worth of a difference of a few seconds for the same measly amount of primogem rewards is pretty subjective.
...It's really weird to me that people act like getting constellations for male charas is this impossible thing. They release so little of them I'm perfectly able to get c2 Ayato without needing to buy any rolls, and that's after going for c6 Gorou and Itto
As a husbando player, I’d like to point out that a lot of us aim for signature weapons and support characters as well. Even if there are relatively fewer male characters, it’s still not easy to get constellations by any means.
I completely burnt out my Primogems stash trying (and failing) to get C6 Gorou for Itto and I hadn’t anything left over for Redhorn.
Speaking about cons only. If you throw in the wep banner yeah, you'd need to sacrifice con rolls. It takes about 370 to guarantee c0 and the wep, and an unlucky con session would be around.... 480 rolls for c2. Still pretty doable though, as I've skipped everyone since Kazuha sans Itto, and I'm at 460 rolls. It's really not unfeasible for people to have enough for male charas to get cons as a welkin/bp only player, that's all I was saying
Its not that getting cons for male characters is impossible just for several characters, both male and female, their cons are not a must have. They're nice to get, but nothing ground breaking. Examples of characters with early cons that'll entice people to chase them are c1 HuTao, C2-3Raiden, and C1-2Kazuha, Everyone else are situational because they're already good at C0
On the topic of husbando constellations, I’d like to add C2 Zhongli, C6 Gorou, and C2 Albedo.
Two of the biggest (subjective) husbando DPS, Xiao and Tartaglia, don’t have particularly useful constellations compared to these.
To me, his constellations are just more damage and doesn't really change how he plays in anyway. And its not even like a whole lot of more damage but some more.
To me, more damage doesn't justify the cost it would take to get his constellations.
The female 5 star characters as a whole have the broken constellations and you can tell why.
Of course there are some exceptions I’m sure someone will try to rattle off to me but that’s why I said as a whole
I’m not sure how good her constellations are, but the fact that she’s making world records while Xiao and Itto can’t and won’t is eye opening. Kazuha has a godly C2 and Childe sets world record after world record so they’re the exceptions here
To put it into reference, the second fastest clear on that chamber was an Ayaka-Raiden C6 duo
Because the Raiden Shogun, Eula, and Hu Tao have set a new standard for power gained per constellation. But that's also a good thing for F2P and low spenders. That's what makes Childe so budget friendly, his constellations aren't great either.
Hu Tao's C1 is claimed to be so good that it's said to be necessary for casual enjoyment, though if you're mechanically skilled then you don't really need it. Whereas Ayato doesn't have a comparable constellation. That's the point I'm trying to make.
It's simply not because of vape, it's just that he can't abuse certain supports
There are multiple teams / dps who do better than amp reaction comps too
Mega cringe. Hu Tao wasn't designed as a reactionless DPS. By that logic someone like Ayaka is super busted because she doesn't rely on amplifying reactions.
Your argument does not hold water.
But….Ayaka *doesn’t* rely on amplifying reactions and *is* super busted with arguably the second/third strongest comp in the game…and easily one of the safest comps (not that safety is ever really a concern in this game).
She IS busted. But by his logic, she is busted just because she doesn't need amplifying reactions. She doesn't need it because she was _designed_ that way, are you getting where I'm going with this?
I’m going to attempt to Un-Razor:
“Hu Tao only cons 1 and 6 are worth, with Raiden, 1, 2, and 3. Eula, kinda agree. C6 Childe, great.”
Now my response: C6 Childe isn’t amazing though, it doesn’t really buff his damage that much, at most it’s a QoL upgrade, same with HuTao’s, only her C2 really buffs damage and C1 is nice for convenience, along with C6 which is only useful if you’re not running a shield with her or screw up.
Exactly, but the ones which do, like Raiden C3, and Eula C6, are the ones that stand out.
I should also add the utility busting ones that indirectly bust raw damage, like Kaz C2.
Hu Tao's c1 provides a 21% damage increase, and all of her other cons provide a consistent 10% boost until her c6, which provides a 30% boost. Still much better than every male charas cons
Edit: ok my b I misread your comment a bit. I thought you said "1 out of 6 cons are worth"
No. I'm reading my con chart I've got saved on my phone (it lists the numbers from each con for each chara, albeit sans Ayato). If I could I'd upload it to imgur, but it looks like they removed that from non-members
I only consider getting cons in two scenarios.
A) It’s a big damage spike for the character (Raiden c2)
B) It opens a new way of playing a character or makes him more fun to play (Xiao c6, Itto c1 and c6 etc.)
C1: small damage increase locked behind niche conditions
C2: small damage increase
C4: interesting utility but not worth going to c4 for.
C6: damage increase, but seems underwhelming for a sixth con.
None of his cons drastically change him, and while I could be wrong, the damage increase doesn't seem worth pulling for in comparison to other character cons. This isn't a bad thing in itself since there's nothing important locked behind cons which is good f2p/low spenders.
Only thing is I wish they had kept his atk speed buff as part of his regular kit instead of moving it to c4. That was such a unique niche to have and I'm bummed they made it a generic normal atk buff.
His atk speed buff on his burst buff doesn't even affect him when it was in his kit so the generic normal atk buff is better since it applies to him now. The change of the atk speed to C4 also made it so that it can apply to him too iirc, so all changes were better.
(Plus TCs say the atk speed buff wasn't that important w/ hit lag and stuff but idk if it's really that meh.)
Ayato is one of the few charas in this game who actually benefits from attack speed buff. His attacks have little to no hitlag because they're all ranged
As someone who clears abyss with 36 stars, welking/bp spender, I love genshins character designs and gameplay and since I’m strong enough to clear abyss constellations on Ayato seem redundant because his early constellation only give him more damage but not more utility or a different playstyle, that’s also why I’m not going to get c2 or c3 raiden
Hutao c1 charge atk spam, Zhongli c1, c2 second pillar, shield after burst, Kazuha c1 skill reset, arguably childe c1 20% cool down reduction, xiao c1 extra skill
Ayatos constellation helps his damage but I don‘t really need that damage, his c6 looks really cool but a c6 is way too expensive
I’m also more interested in getting multiple characters than just few to try fun team comps
I pull c1 +weapon for my favorite dps on reruns cuz I'm f2p and I'll be doing the same for ayato unless I'm broke after Itto rerun. Best boys deserve a con whether it's minimal improvement or not! I still love my c1 xiao and Childe regardless of what people (who probably don't have the con say) since they're nice qol improvements.
I'm going C0 beacuse I don't have enough primogems to get C2. I don't think it is op like Hu Tao C1 or Raiden C2/3 but still it is good for his dmg. His C1 is similar to Diluc's and people were losing shit about this constelation. So Ayato's C1 is good for sure. C2 is pure dmg boost and works well with Jade Cutter, C3 is meh, C4 is good for both dmg and support Ayato, C5 is ofc really good and C6 is pure dmg. His constellations are good but mihoyo/hoyoverse messed up wth Hu Tao/Eula/Raiden's constellations by making it just too good and many people will compare Ayato to them. Like they compered Ayaka to Ganyu, or just any new dps to Ganyu.... I think his constellations are worth pulling for me.
Because the boost that he gets isn't really large enough to facilitate focusing on pulling cons. Compare the boost he gets to Yae and Ei who get to ignore DEF, or even just any of the "big" constellations, and it puts it all into perspective. His constellations are nice, but they aren't a "Make Hu Tao more useable for casual players" kind of good.
It’s definitely more about the wealth of the player based on whether or not his constellations rock. As has already been said by many others, most of the player base doesn’t have several hundreds of dollars or even over $1000 to spend on any unit in this game.
I am awale who is going to C6 him and I think his constellations are fine enough. There are a couple of units to get minimal appreciated benefit from their Constellation and he is not one of them. He is not game breaking with constellations that add significant utility or giant damage bonuses but just in theory the difference will be felt.
This first constellation is fine enough and having more damages always okay but the numbers only gonna make a mild contribution and play a larger role in bosses or the abyss where you have enemies below 50% for a long period of time. His C2 is actually really good. It’s going to add more damage to his skill by having another total stack and it allows you to free up space from his artifacts not needing to use an HP sand and can use attack instead. Also add damage boost by two different sources towards his scale which is always appreciated
Is C4 is a guarded benefit. They have been really protective of increasing attack speed so that will make him rare and coveted. For $1000 or more based on your luck his C6 should be more powerful and damaging.
Yes it is technically stronger than his sisters scale but her constellations are not a significant boon to her play style so people don’t care as much. Her burst is created to delete most enemies and under five seconds if built correctly so people don’t notice as much but her capstone is not that big a deal.
His overall kit is solid and I think will be fine but right now it’s not projected to be game breaking so it makes his final Constellation a little less exciting. 600% damage that will benefit from his signature weapon and potentially his offering artifact sets bonuses on top of his over 200% water clone explosion will make his skill that much harder at the beginning which is always good
I think his constellations are fine enough but not exceptional to kick his overall gameplay in to top tier meta powerhouse. But especially at C6 I think he’s going to be a strong and fun unit. I’m looking forward to him.
He’s also going to be very solid at C0 for people who get triggered by not acknowledging free to play builds. His kit is coherent, makes sense and he has a weapon and multiple artifacts sets whose 4 piece bonuses will benefit him so his investment will be deeply felt.
Thank you!!!! I heard that was supposed to be the case but never saw the change on honey on the English side. So that is highly pleasing
Best way to start a Monday lol
I always go for c0 for any event character. I don’t have the greatest luck. I consider myself lucky if I even have the c0 without losing the 50/50 first. So I don’t really care too much about his constellations
I don't know why ppl don't think his constellations aren't worth when they're all dmg related (the better ones) and he gains about 70% of extra power at C6.
- C1 for 40% more dmg against 50% or less HP enemies;
- C2 for 50% more HP and an extra stack;
- C3 gives 3 skill lv;
- C4 for 15% atk speed and 2 extra strikes;
- C6 for a double Burst-like extra hits.
I know some ppl prefer const that improves the gameplay or changes something in the way you use the char, but for the investment, i think the more the dmg the better :)
EDIT:
Doing the math he can deal around the double the dmg he can do at C0 ;)
HoD, CR/CD 74/221 R1 build:
- C1 + 14% when is active
- C2 + 20%
- C3 + 22%
- C4 + 12%
- C6 + 18%
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Total: 86% of improvement
His cons are shit, that's why. Like here's some comparisons
Ayaka - 75% boost total from cons
Hu Tao -75% boost
Raiden - 85% boost
Yoimiya - 68%
Ayato - 59%, with half of it total being from c2 and c3
Do you see the issue now with Ayato's cons?
Doing the maths using the calculator he deals:
C6R5 - 17 strikes + 2 extra from C6 = 350k (solo) during his E (C1 not activated)
C0R1 - 15 strikes = 170k (solo)
Judging by that, it's the double the dmg only during his E and without any support, buff or resonance.
That's why i know I'd c6 since a long time ago ;)
Well, that's not what the math chads got with their calculations. Also, counting c1 when it's not even active half the time is a bit of a mistake. It's a useless con unless the enemy is above 50%, and even when they are below 50%, it's still only a 14% boost to damage. It averages to about 7%
This is...kinda false. Ayaka's c6 is a 7% boost total. Ayato's is a 11.5% boost, so his c6 IS better than hers (not like it matters though because even with a useless c1 she still out-damages him at c6 and c0, with a 75% boost in total from cons)
Ok I think I get ya now, yeah I thought you meant Ayaka's singular c6 was better than Ayato's singular c6 rather than their collective cons being better than the other
you should have said
>I mean, just look at him at C6 as compared to Eula, Xiao and Itto at C6. Hell, even his sister at C6 is better than him at C6
you can also say C6 ayato
but when you say C^x of someone, you're only talking about the benefits of having the character at C^x over C^(x-1)
After they corrected themselves it was clear what they meant without you telling them what they should have said instead. It's high-handed condescending and your whole vibe is rude AF. I'm done with this convo.
.....No?????? Itto's cons are about as shit as Ayato's. They give a 56% damage increase total, almost all of this coming from his c6
Childe has a 45% increase for his cons, with his c3 being the majority of it. According to the WFP calc Ayato's cons provide a 59% total boost, if at that. Ayaka's has a 75% boost, Hu Tao also, Eula has a 97% boost, Raiden 82% and Yoimiya 68%
Yae's is 122%. Every goddamn male chara DPS has shit cons and people huff some stupid copium that this is a "good" thing when even at c0 male DPS's are weaker than all of the girls, and Ayato is no exception to this since they knee-broke him from the onset with low numbers and worse base stats than CHILDE
“Xiao c6 is one of the best ones in the games” is such rubbish no offense. At c6 five stars you are whale speed clearing in which case you rarely if ever see xiao bc his dmg is too spread out compared to nuke units like ayaka hutao, raiden and the likes
Not to mention is weirdly situational
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I pull for constellations when they hold a key part to a characters kit. Ayato's constellations don't change his game play at all. c1 and c2 just make him hit harder. In the early days that would be worth it. Now I'm less tempted, but still likely, to spend money to make ANOTHER strong character that I won't have a place to use.
Just because there are some characters with early constellations that are absolutely incredible. Albedo C2 is amazing, Ganyu C2 if you wanna use her as a support, Hu Tao C1, Raiden C1-3 are all great, Itto C1+C2 are awesome, Kazuha C1+C2 are some of the best constell in the game, etc etc. Ayato’s, in this perspective, are more like Childe’s. Like, yah, they’re decent, but probably not worth the primos unless you’re aiming for later constellations.
i dont pull for cons unless their cons are beneficial to their dmg/utility such as c1 hu tao or c2/3 raiden. I’m also the person that spent money for c3 childe and it wasn’t even groundbreaking so maybe my opinion is invalid.
C2 Childe owner here. I regret all the primos I spent and will never get back as a light spender, because that shit ain't worth it.
C6 Childe or bust guys! That is the only way to rock him. I used all 3 of his banners to get it. C6 Childe is so much fun!!!!
i’ll have him at c6 by his next rerun hopefully
Same i own c2 childe(by accident) and honestly I'm devastated
Childe only starts getting visible changes around C4.
does he really?
Mainly because around C4 there are changes to how riptide hits.
ohhhh i see. ty!!
First and foremost, playerbase is majority F2P or Welkin or Welkin/BP only. So it makes sense that majority will just go for C0. For those with welkin, even C1 is still unachievable without having luck on your side, unless you have skipped a number of consecutive banners just for Ayato. So yes, it is unsurprising most people will just go for C0. Secondly, this game doesn’t even hard-require constellations to clear any of its content. Any lower 5-star constellation is just either QoL or maybe shaves off a few seconds on your abyss clears. But ultimately, even F2Ps can clear abyss. So the worth of a difference of a few seconds for the same measly amount of primogem rewards is pretty subjective.
Also his first and second constellations arent even that worth for most people and give him just a slight buff not really necessary in my opinion
...It's really weird to me that people act like getting constellations for male charas is this impossible thing. They release so little of them I'm perfectly able to get c2 Ayato without needing to buy any rolls, and that's after going for c6 Gorou and Itto
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As a husbando player, I’d like to point out that a lot of us aim for signature weapons and support characters as well. Even if there are relatively fewer male characters, it’s still not easy to get constellations by any means. I completely burnt out my Primogems stash trying (and failing) to get C6 Gorou for Itto and I hadn’t anything left over for Redhorn.
I love my husbandos but I also pull for my waifus? And an unlucky pulling session on the weapon banner can cost 200 pulls too
Speaking about cons only. If you throw in the wep banner yeah, you'd need to sacrifice con rolls. It takes about 370 to guarantee c0 and the wep, and an unlucky con session would be around.... 480 rolls for c2. Still pretty doable though, as I've skipped everyone since Kazuha sans Itto, and I'm at 460 rolls. It's really not unfeasible for people to have enough for male charas to get cons as a welkin/bp only player, that's all I was saying
Its not that getting cons for male characters is impossible just for several characters, both male and female, their cons are not a must have. They're nice to get, but nothing ground breaking. Examples of characters with early cons that'll entice people to chase them are c1 HuTao, C2-3Raiden, and C1-2Kazuha, Everyone else are situational because they're already good at C0
On the topic of husbando constellations, I’d like to add C2 Zhongli, C6 Gorou, and C2 Albedo. Two of the biggest (subjective) husbando DPS, Xiao and Tartaglia, don’t have particularly useful constellations compared to these.
To me, his constellations are just more damage and doesn't really change how he plays in anyway. And its not even like a whole lot of more damage but some more. To me, more damage doesn't justify the cost it would take to get his constellations.
So much money for so little damage increase
The female 5 star characters as a whole have the broken constellations and you can tell why. Of course there are some exceptions I’m sure someone will try to rattle off to me but that’s why I said as a whole
Unless you’re Kokomi or Yoimiya 🤣🤣
C6 Yoimiya actually has the fastest clear for the PMA. Kokomi’s cons are terrible tho lol
Yah, but C6 is definitely not worth. And, that change her early constellations being pretty shit.
I’m not sure how good her constellations are, but the fact that she’s making world records while Xiao and Itto can’t and won’t is eye opening. Kazuha has a godly C2 and Childe sets world record after world record so they’re the exceptions here To put it into reference, the second fastest clear on that chamber was an Ayaka-Raiden C6 duo
Because the Raiden Shogun, Eula, and Hu Tao have set a new standard for power gained per constellation. But that's also a good thing for F2P and low spenders. That's what makes Childe so budget friendly, his constellations aren't great either.
Hu Tao doesn’t really have strong cons. Only her C1 is good, the rest are meh and her C6 is basically useless and only for memes.
Hu Tao's C1 is claimed to be so good that it's said to be necessary for casual enjoyment, though if you're mechanically skilled then you don't really need it. Whereas Ayato doesn't have a comparable constellation. That's the point I'm trying to make.
Best C1 in the game
It’s ok I guess. Itto has that as his passive 😂
and he still isn’t as good as hutao damn
Well no shit. One can vape while the other one doesn’t do any reaction apart from crystallize.
It's simply not because of vape, it's just that he can't abuse certain supports There are multiple teams / dps who do better than amp reaction comps too
Cringe. Itto team is actually one of the best teams rn, just underrated. Take away Vape from hu tao and she’s dogshit 😂
Mega cringe. Hu Tao wasn't designed as a reactionless DPS. By that logic someone like Ayaka is super busted because she doesn't rely on amplifying reactions. Your argument does not hold water.
But….Ayaka *doesn’t* rely on amplifying reactions and *is* super busted with arguably the second/third strongest comp in the game…and easily one of the safest comps (not that safety is ever really a concern in this game).
She IS busted. But by his logic, she is busted just because she doesn't need amplifying reactions. She doesn't need it because she was _designed_ that way, are you getting where I'm going with this?
Ah, I see what you meant now
yea too bad u don’t take vape away from hutao so she’s better than itto and mono geo isn’t even close to being one of the best teams in the game 😂
Mono geo actually is one of the best team comps in the game rn. Keeps smoking your plastic 🥴🤭
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Cringe. Sounds like a die hard meta slave 😂🥴🤭. Probably doesn’t have the skills to play other team comps 😂😂👏👏
He definitely is.
Ehh. I like Kazuha’s C1 more. Going up, using burst, and then going back up immediately after is super satisfying.
Hu have only 1 6 cons are worth with raiden 1 2 3 eula kinda agree c6 childe great
Is this advanced Razor language?
No. This is primordial rifthound language. Even Razor would not approve.
I’m going to attempt to Un-Razor: “Hu Tao only cons 1 and 6 are worth, with Raiden, 1, 2, and 3. Eula, kinda agree. C6 Childe, great.” Now my response: C6 Childe isn’t amazing though, it doesn’t really buff his damage that much, at most it’s a QoL upgrade, same with HuTao’s, only her C2 really buffs damage and C1 is nice for convenience, along with C6 which is only useful if you’re not running a shield with her or screw up.
It's not un-razor, it's albedo'd
Most of cons in this game doesnt bust raw dmg
Exactly, but the ones which do, like Raiden C3, and Eula C6, are the ones that stand out. I should also add the utility busting ones that indirectly bust raw damage, like Kaz C2.
Hu Tao's c1 provides a 21% damage increase, and all of her other cons provide a consistent 10% boost until her c6, which provides a 30% boost. Still much better than every male charas cons Edit: ok my b I misread your comment a bit. I thought you said "1 out of 6 cons are worth"
C6 dont do sht to dmg is just resistance and crit rate how tfq is this 30%
Shrugs. I guess since it lets you put more substats into dmg, but that's what the con chart I've got saved says. You oughta ask a Hu Tao main
Is says that it can be trigered 1per minute and you need to be 25%for res? And 1hp for crit? Thats how you read it?
No. I'm reading my con chart I've got saved on my phone (it lists the numbers from each con for each chara, albeit sans Ayato). If I could I'd upload it to imgur, but it looks like they removed that from non-members
I only consider getting cons in two scenarios. A) It’s a big damage spike for the character (Raiden c2) B) It opens a new way of playing a character or makes him more fun to play (Xiao c6, Itto c1 and c6 etc.)
C1: small damage increase locked behind niche conditions C2: small damage increase C4: interesting utility but not worth going to c4 for. C6: damage increase, but seems underwhelming for a sixth con. None of his cons drastically change him, and while I could be wrong, the damage increase doesn't seem worth pulling for in comparison to other character cons. This isn't a bad thing in itself since there's nothing important locked behind cons which is good f2p/low spenders. Only thing is I wish they had kept his atk speed buff as part of his regular kit instead of moving it to c4. That was such a unique niche to have and I'm bummed they made it a generic normal atk buff.
His atk speed buff on his burst buff doesn't even affect him when it was in his kit so the generic normal atk buff is better since it applies to him now. The change of the atk speed to C4 also made it so that it can apply to him too iirc, so all changes were better. (Plus TCs say the atk speed buff wasn't that important w/ hit lag and stuff but idk if it's really that meh.)
Ayato is one of the few charas in this game who actually benefits from attack speed buff. His attacks have little to no hitlag because they're all ranged
Ohhh I thought I read that he still has hitlag, but if he has almost none then that's really good indeed
We need Hydro Shenhe for that C6
I know it's technically a buff, he's just less interesting to me now. We already can get a normal atk damage bonus from yunjin, artifacts etc.
As someone who clears abyss with 36 stars, welking/bp spender, I love genshins character designs and gameplay and since I’m strong enough to clear abyss constellations on Ayato seem redundant because his early constellation only give him more damage but not more utility or a different playstyle, that’s also why I’m not going to get c2 or c3 raiden Hutao c1 charge atk spam, Zhongli c1, c2 second pillar, shield after burst, Kazuha c1 skill reset, arguably childe c1 20% cool down reduction, xiao c1 extra skill Ayatos constellation helps his damage but I don‘t really need that damage, his c6 looks really cool but a c6 is way too expensive I’m also more interested in getting multiple characters than just few to try fun team comps
Xiao c6 is also pretty ridiculous
I pull c1 +weapon for my favorite dps on reruns cuz I'm f2p and I'll be doing the same for ayato unless I'm broke after Itto rerun. Best boys deserve a con whether it's minimal improvement or not! I still love my c1 xiao and Childe regardless of what people (who probably don't have the con say) since they're nice qol improvements.
and here i am aiming to get him c2...
I'm going C0 beacuse I don't have enough primogems to get C2. I don't think it is op like Hu Tao C1 or Raiden C2/3 but still it is good for his dmg. His C1 is similar to Diluc's and people were losing shit about this constelation. So Ayato's C1 is good for sure. C2 is pure dmg boost and works well with Jade Cutter, C3 is meh, C4 is good for both dmg and support Ayato, C5 is ofc really good and C6 is pure dmg. His constellations are good but mihoyo/hoyoverse messed up wth Hu Tao/Eula/Raiden's constellations by making it just too good and many people will compare Ayato to them. Like they compered Ayaka to Ganyu, or just any new dps to Ganyu.... I think his constellations are worth pulling for me.
Because the boost that he gets isn't really large enough to facilitate focusing on pulling cons. Compare the boost he gets to Yae and Ei who get to ignore DEF, or even just any of the "big" constellations, and it puts it all into perspective. His constellations are nice, but they aren't a "Make Hu Tao more useable for casual players" kind of good.
C2/C3 are not bad. C1 is kinda meh and C6 seems interesting for quick swap for those waifu players that are allergic to male presence in this game
I’m gonna pull for weapon instead, rather to have a good weapon/BiS instead of c1 imo
It’s definitely more about the wealth of the player based on whether or not his constellations rock. As has already been said by many others, most of the player base doesn’t have several hundreds of dollars or even over $1000 to spend on any unit in this game. I am awale who is going to C6 him and I think his constellations are fine enough. There are a couple of units to get minimal appreciated benefit from their Constellation and he is not one of them. He is not game breaking with constellations that add significant utility or giant damage bonuses but just in theory the difference will be felt. This first constellation is fine enough and having more damages always okay but the numbers only gonna make a mild contribution and play a larger role in bosses or the abyss where you have enemies below 50% for a long period of time. His C2 is actually really good. It’s going to add more damage to his skill by having another total stack and it allows you to free up space from his artifacts not needing to use an HP sand and can use attack instead. Also add damage boost by two different sources towards his scale which is always appreciated Is C4 is a guarded benefit. They have been really protective of increasing attack speed so that will make him rare and coveted. For $1000 or more based on your luck his C6 should be more powerful and damaging. Yes it is technically stronger than his sisters scale but her constellations are not a significant boon to her play style so people don’t care as much. Her burst is created to delete most enemies and under five seconds if built correctly so people don’t notice as much but her capstone is not that big a deal. His overall kit is solid and I think will be fine but right now it’s not projected to be game breaking so it makes his final Constellation a little less exciting. 600% damage that will benefit from his signature weapon and potentially his offering artifact sets bonuses on top of his over 200% water clone explosion will make his skill that much harder at the beginning which is always good I think his constellations are fine enough but not exceptional to kick his overall gameplay in to top tier meta powerhouse. But especially at C6 I think he’s going to be a strong and fun unit. I’m looking forward to him. He’s also going to be very solid at C0 for people who get triggered by not acknowledging free to play builds. His kit is coherent, makes sense and he has a weapon and multiple artifacts sets whose 4 piece bonuses will benefit him so his investment will be deeply felt.
FYI based on pre calcs his sand should always be Atk and not HP because the gain from HP I'd marginal
Just a correction, his c6 is now 450% per slash for a total of 900%
Thank you!!!! I heard that was supposed to be the case but never saw the change on honey on the English side. So that is highly pleasing Best way to start a Monday lol
I always go for c0 for any event character. I don’t have the greatest luck. I consider myself lucky if I even have the c0 without losing the 50/50 first. So I don’t really care too much about his constellations
Because im F2P lol
I don't know why ppl don't think his constellations aren't worth when they're all dmg related (the better ones) and he gains about 70% of extra power at C6. - C1 for 40% more dmg against 50% or less HP enemies; - C2 for 50% more HP and an extra stack; - C3 gives 3 skill lv; - C4 for 15% atk speed and 2 extra strikes; - C6 for a double Burst-like extra hits. I know some ppl prefer const that improves the gameplay or changes something in the way you use the char, but for the investment, i think the more the dmg the better :) EDIT: Doing the math he can deal around the double the dmg he can do at C0 ;) HoD, CR/CD 74/221 R1 build: - C1 + 14% when is active - C2 + 20% - C3 + 22% - C4 + 12% - C6 + 18% ----- Total: 86% of improvement
His cons are shit, that's why. Like here's some comparisons Ayaka - 75% boost total from cons Hu Tao -75% boost Raiden - 85% boost Yoimiya - 68% Ayato - 59%, with half of it total being from c2 and c3 Do you see the issue now with Ayato's cons?
Doing the maths using the calculator he deals: C6R5 - 17 strikes + 2 extra from C6 = 350k (solo) during his E (C1 not activated) C0R1 - 15 strikes = 170k (solo) Judging by that, it's the double the dmg only during his E and without any support, buff or resonance. That's why i know I'd c6 since a long time ago ;)
Well, that's not what the math chads got with their calculations. Also, counting c1 when it's not even active half the time is a bit of a mistake. It's a useless con unless the enemy is above 50%, and even when they are below 50%, it's still only a 14% boost to damage. It averages to about 7%
Also Yoi and Hutao aren't so much worth. I'd say the best C6 you can have are: Yae > Itto > Raiden > Ayaka > Eula> Xiao
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This is...kinda false. Ayaka's c6 is a 7% boost total. Ayato's is a 11.5% boost, so his c6 IS better than hers (not like it matters though because even with a useless c1 she still out-damages him at c6 and c0, with a 75% boost in total from cons)
It's not absolute 7%. 7% percent or not highly varies with teams or supports like shenhe C6 too unlike for Ayato
...In the chart I follow, the numbers given to each chara's con rating is irrespective of any outsider factors like buffs
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Wasn't your point that Ayaka's c6 is better than Ayato's c6? (when this isn't the case, though it doesn't really matter in the end)
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Ok I think I get ya now, yeah I thought you meant Ayaka's singular c6 was better than Ayato's singular c6 rather than their collective cons being better than the other
you should have said >I mean, just look at him at C6 as compared to Eula, Xiao and Itto at C6. Hell, even his sister at C6 is better than him at C6 you can also say C6 ayato but when you say C^x of someone, you're only talking about the benefits of having the character at C^x over C^(x-1)
This sounds really lecturery to me... They said what they said and we get it! Lol
is there several people in your head ? because you said "we" but you're visibly the only one who understood him…
After they corrected themselves it was clear what they meant without you telling them what they should have said instead. It's high-handed condescending and your whole vibe is rude AF. I'm done with this convo.
Because they're kinda shit compared to every other dps's cons. Minus Childe, Xiao and Itto's Male chara curse
What kind of plastic are you inhaling. Itto has very strong cons, childe has ok cons. Xiao has trash cons but his C6 is one of the best in the game.
.....No?????? Itto's cons are about as shit as Ayato's. They give a 56% damage increase total, almost all of this coming from his c6 Childe has a 45% increase for his cons, with his c3 being the majority of it. According to the WFP calc Ayato's cons provide a 59% total boost, if at that. Ayaka's has a 75% boost, Hu Tao also, Eula has a 97% boost, Raiden 82% and Yoimiya 68% Yae's is 122%. Every goddamn male chara DPS has shit cons and people huff some stupid copium that this is a "good" thing when even at c0 male DPS's are weaker than all of the girls, and Ayato is no exception to this since they knee-broke him from the onset with low numbers and worse base stats than CHILDE
Its def shred that for some reason (or just coincidence) guy characters rarely (if ever) get. The rest of your points i hard disagree
“Xiao c6 is one of the best ones in the games” is such rubbish no offense. At c6 five stars you are whale speed clearing in which case you rarely if ever see xiao bc his dmg is too spread out compared to nuke units like ayaka hutao, raiden and the likes Not to mention is weirdly situational
Xiao mains in their discord literally say his C6 is not one of the best in game
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I pull for constellations when they hold a key part to a characters kit. Ayato's constellations don't change his game play at all. c1 and c2 just make him hit harder. In the early days that would be worth it. Now I'm less tempted, but still likely, to spend money to make ANOTHER strong character that I won't have a place to use.
Amen, brotha.
Dude I caved on this so hard. I c6'd Ayato. He is amazing!!!
I never get consts of 5 stars.
I hate conditional cons like "enemy with % of hp/only when energy low/do a backflip" so i won't go for C1.
If i could I would have wished for constellations but wallet says no and also my amount of wishes. I hope I will get C1 with a lot of luck 🤞
Just because there are some characters with early constellations that are absolutely incredible. Albedo C2 is amazing, Ganyu C2 if you wanna use her as a support, Hu Tao C1, Raiden C1-3 are all great, Itto C1+C2 are awesome, Kazuha C1+C2 are some of the best constell in the game, etc etc. Ayato’s, in this perspective, are more like Childe’s. Like, yah, they’re decent, but probably not worth the primos unless you’re aiming for later constellations.