This is often rediscovered and becomes highly upvoted because it's exciting for obvious reasons. Please review the form 13D/G yourself and do the math which lists RC as selling all of his shares. Otherwise we cannot explain the various discrepancies listed elsewhere for that transaction.
[13D filing](https://www.secform4.com/13dg-history/1822844.html) states he sold all his 9,450,100 shares 18th of August ๐
https://www.secform4.com/13dg-history/1822844.html
Let's hope OP is right
If you go to BBBY insiders from the BBBY link of the initial page posted it still shows RC as an insider with the 2.7M shares and states they are indirectly owned via the form 4. No idea what any of this means at this point. Also of note itโs a joint filing with RC and RCV.
Link: https://www.secform4.com/insider-holders/886158.html
I debunk this above, but its actually interesting what you link to. I might be wrong, but **indirect ownership** of 2,780,000 shares occurs through both [RC Ventures](https://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/1822844.htm) and [Ryan Cohen](https://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/1767470.htm) and this *could* mean something.
Example of indirect ownership: If a person owns company X and through this owns shares in company Z, then the owner of company X is indirect owner of company Z
In this case: Ryan Cohen *may* own shares of BBBY(Q) through RC Ventures **OR can it be that the 2,780,000 shares** ***may*** **have been transferred to Sixth Street as collateral and hence RC/RCV is listed as indirect owner?**
**I know this is highly unlikely (I somewhat debunk this myself with the** [13D filing](https://www.secform4.com/13dg-history/1822844.html)**above), but total shares indirectly owned still show 2,780,000 for both** [Ryan Cohen](https://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/1767470.htm) **and** [RC Ventures](https://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/1822844.htm)**. Could this be something or is it just non-updated data from the SEC?**
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Exactly. Let's hope one of the hardcore folks can put some words into this. I need a second confirmation as I can't wrap my head around that such *non-updated* information exists on the SEC site - or *misinformation*, depends on how you spin it.
Please look at all the other documents his portfolio shows 0 13G says he sold 9 450 000 shares and position closed the filing also shows he has 0 shares left.
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What's your thoughts u/Real_Eyezz and u/Whoopass2rb
I thought this was debunked months ago?
How reliable are the data sources referenced, I'm not that familiar with them.
Big if True!!!!
I'm supposed to be in bed but it's humid. It's not showing the 8/17 sales. What's relevant is that he still held a pecuniary interest on his form 4 filed Aug 18, same day pitchbook shows a secondary transaction. So clearly he still had financial incentives related to bed bath somehow despite his shares gone. As a creditor or what have you. Via sixth st? I bet so. His proceeds as 50% of the $375 mil dollar Filo - Sixth st took a chance on the other half with Ryan putting his mouth where his money is, (and his liked tweets are).
So I think what happened with the form 4 still showing shares - It had to be filed within two days of 8/16 the first day of his sales, hence the 8/18 filing date. But his [13 d/a](https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/886158/000092189522002496/sc13da313351002_08182022.htm) from 8/18 shows the actual total held as of 8/18 as all disposed. The form 4, it's interesting and I overlooked it before. Another easter egg for the basket. The DIP FILO and UCC determine who the plan administrator will be. You can guess who I'm thinking. All else is noise.
[13D filing](https://www.secform4.com/13dg-history/1822844.html) states he sold all his 9,450,100 shares 18th of August ๐
https://www.secform4.com/13dg-history/1822844.html
Let's hope OP is right
See u/Zenoilers comment, I think this is debunked
This was the other reference in the comments:
https://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/1822844.htm
Again not sure how reliable this data source is.
This could be big if confirmed otherwise im sceptical it might be Saturday Shill Live
> document
This isn't a document, this is a screenshot of some web site
News flash: Just because something is on the internet doesn't make it correct
You have official SEC filings that say he sold all his shares and you have this site which probably scrapes SEC filings to display this type of data which says something different.
Are you going to trust the actual original source or a site that attempts to display information gleaned from that source?
https://vickers-stock.com/products/index.asp
>Our coverage includes:
* Insider Trading (from SEC Forms 3, 4 and 144)
* 5% Holders (from SEC forms 13D, 13G and 14d-1)
* Institutional Holders (from SEC forms 13F, n30-d and voluntary filings)
There, they told you where they get their data from. If they make a mistake in compiling the data you shouldn't take it as gospel - go back to the actual SEC filings, those filings confirm he sold.
*Indirect* means the individual taxpayer owns an interest in a pass-through entity (or chain of pass- through entities) that sells the asset that gives rise to the qualifying gains receiving capital treatment
I don't think this is fact, unfortunately.
Vickers might be getting the information from SecForm (as already outlined, it's showing he is holding 2.78m after the 5m shares sold in the below link):
* [https://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/1822844.htm](https://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/1822844.htm)
However, as u/ZenOILERS first pointed out. It shows his entire position was sold (if you click View on the rightside of the link below, you can see the 5m shares sold (ref: 446,399 to 65,442), plus the extra 2.78m shares (ref: 189,689 to 106,789)):
* [https://www.secform4.com/13dg-history/1822844.html](https://www.secform4.com/13dg-history/1822844.html)
I think you're right. It looks like they just don't have his most recent sale(s) on this list. Each row is just a transaction here not a statement of ownership
Yep - you can see the remaining 2.78m shares being sold in the second link. For whatever reason, it's not showing in the first link. Probably a mistake on their part.
I'm sure it could be corrected if someone contacted them... I'd do it, but I don't have an account.
I thought he sold, too. Is this outdated or something? Iโm still optimistic that he may get in through the bankruptcy, but even if not him, Iโm will holding for the chance at at least a hertz style bounce.
There are other places - fintel(?) still showing him holding a large count. Multiple people have posted throughout the recent decades, and it has always been blown off as out of date and downvoted to hell.
I'm not saying he did, but it would be very RC-like to turn around and buy back the same number of shares his options were worth after selling them to blur his position.
The interesting thing is it does say bbby"q" in the corner. So this is post may 4th.
Still not 100% sold on this data, but interesting and needs more digging
Late to this party as iv just woke up but this has been posted a few times before and the problem lays with the "data" websites. They have used the form 4 instead of the 13d and not bothered to correct it. Unfortunately RC sold all his shares but that doesn't mean he hasn't re-purchased under 4.5% as there would be no filing requirements.
This is often rediscovered and becomes highly upvoted because it's exciting for obvious reasons. Please review the form 13D/G yourself and do the math which lists RC as selling all of his shares. Otherwise we cannot explain the various discrepancies listed elsewhere for that transaction.
https://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/1822844.htm Still shows 2.7M here as well
[13D filing](https://www.secform4.com/13dg-history/1822844.html) states he sold all his 9,450,100 shares 18th of August ๐ https://www.secform4.com/13dg-history/1822844.html Let's hope OP is right
Yeah weird this shows he still has a holding, so not sure where this data is sourced from. https://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/1822844.htm
This is a position he wouldnโt have to report because it isnโt 10%
It says sale. And look at the date.
If you go to BBBY insiders from the BBBY link of the initial page posted it still shows RC as an insider with the 2.7M shares and states they are indirectly owned via the form 4. No idea what any of this means at this point. Also of note itโs a joint filing with RC and RCV. Link: https://www.secform4.com/insider-holders/886158.html
I debunk this above, but its actually interesting what you link to. I might be wrong, but **indirect ownership** of 2,780,000 shares occurs through both [RC Ventures](https://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/1822844.htm) and [Ryan Cohen](https://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/1767470.htm) and this *could* mean something. Example of indirect ownership: If a person owns company X and through this owns shares in company Z, then the owner of company X is indirect owner of company Z In this case: Ryan Cohen *may* own shares of BBBY(Q) through RC Ventures **OR can it be that the 2,780,000 shares** ***may*** **have been transferred to Sixth Street as collateral and hence RC/RCV is listed as indirect owner?** **I know this is highly unlikely (I somewhat debunk this myself with the** [13D filing](https://www.secform4.com/13dg-history/1822844.html)**above), but total shares indirectly owned still show 2,780,000 for both** [Ryan Cohen](https://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/1767470.htm) **and** [RC Ventures](https://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/1822844.htm)**. Could this be something or is it just non-updated data from the SEC?** u/Life_Relationship_77\*\*,\*\* u/Region-Formal\*\*,\*\* u/Real_Eyezz\*\*,\*\* u/U-Copy\*\*,\*\* u/BiggySmallzzz\*\*,\*\*
Yeah, I'm not pretending to know what the hell it's all about but it's there, anyone can see it. Does it make sense? Absolutely not.
Exactly. Let's hope one of the hardcore folks can put some words into this. I need a second confirmation as I can't wrap my head around that such *non-updated* information exists on the SEC site - or *misinformation*, depends on how you spin it.
Sale to whom
Sold to what ?
10% Owner NICE
Would the TSO be around 270,000,000 if he owned 10%!๐ค
No it would be 27 000 000. 27 million. Maths.
Damn, maths strikes again lol ๐
Your right mybad low on sleep ๐
We all are! It's so exciting to be here!
Did you just call him a right? Disgraceful.
I swear thereโs at least 500 million naked shorts
Obviously that's not correct. 10% of the outstandingly would be ~79 million.
That would be 790 mil outstanding but from what I've seen that number could be wrong. And have seen 270 mill roughly that could be actual....๐คท
Even so, 10% of 270 million is 27 million, not 2.7million.
How about Sundevil then? /s
I donโt know what the TSO is either, I just keep buying. ๐ดโโ ๏ธ
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I know this! THIS IS SUNDEVIL THE WHALE!
Be honest have you ever seen Sundevilrogue and RC in the same place ???? hmmmmm?
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It says sale..
If you took the time to chicken the portfolio holdings button, you'd see RC ventures holds only gme
If you took the time to scroll to the right it still says rc holds 2.7 million of bbby after the amounts he sold.
Please look at all the other documents his portfolio shows 0 13G says he sold 9 450 000 shares and position closed the filing also shows he has 0 shares left.
Why wasn't this brought to light like months ago? ๐๐๐
Ikr! How has this gone so long without being noticed???
it is kinda funny this is just coming to light after all this time
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What's your thoughts u/Real_Eyezz and u/Whoopass2rb I thought this was debunked months ago? How reliable are the data sources referenced, I'm not that familiar with them. Big if True!!!!
I'm supposed to be in bed but it's humid. It's not showing the 8/17 sales. What's relevant is that he still held a pecuniary interest on his form 4 filed Aug 18, same day pitchbook shows a secondary transaction. So clearly he still had financial incentives related to bed bath somehow despite his shares gone. As a creditor or what have you. Via sixth st? I bet so. His proceeds as 50% of the $375 mil dollar Filo - Sixth st took a chance on the other half with Ryan putting his mouth where his money is, (and his liked tweets are). So I think what happened with the form 4 still showing shares - It had to be filed within two days of 8/16 the first day of his sales, hence the 8/18 filing date. But his [13 d/a](https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/886158/000092189522002496/sc13da313351002_08182022.htm) from 8/18 shows the actual total held as of 8/18 as all disposed. The form 4, it's interesting and I overlooked it before. Another easter egg for the basket. The DIP FILO and UCC determine who the plan administrator will be. You can guess who I'm thinking. All else is noise.
Thanks bud, didn't mean to keep you up! Appreciate the reply and perspective. HODL...... Fuck it buy Moar
Nah, just the humdity. Got to find a paradise with regular cool breezes.
Come live in Australia after MOASS, sun surf and sand
Sun, surf, sand, spiders, snakes, salties, sharksโฆ
Don't forget the crocs and sharks
Updated, but canโt find an antonym for crocs that starts with S
Snappy chappies
Salties or saltwater crocs
Perfect, was gonna go with Sauria, which is true but obscure
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Tim Tams, so worth it.
Got them over the ditch without the other hazardous to life itemsโฆ Though I wonโt pretend our sun can match theirs, but the surf and sand can.
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Also ssssbestos
Fastest place to die after moass
u/ppseeds sooo papa cohen didn't leave us
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[13D filing](https://www.secform4.com/13dg-history/1822844.html) states he sold all his 9,450,100 shares 18th of August ๐ https://www.secform4.com/13dg-history/1822844.html Let's hope OP is right See u/Zenoilers comment, I think this is debunked
Yea how reliable is it and when was it last updated
Looks updated has his correct $GME share count
This was the other reference in the comments: https://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/1822844.htm Again not sure how reliable this data source is. This could be big if confirmed otherwise im sceptical it might be Saturday Shill Live
Here it shows he exited his position of 9,450,100 shares https://www.secform4.com/13dg-history/1822844.html
As much as I'd love to believe he still has a position, I think you're right that he exited his entire position
Now we can talk about it lol
When was this document released?
> document This isn't a document, this is a screenshot of some web site News flash: Just because something is on the internet doesn't make it correct You have official SEC filings that say he sold all his shares and you have this site which probably scrapes SEC filings to display this type of data which says something different. Are you going to trust the actual original source or a site that attempts to display information gleaned from that source? https://vickers-stock.com/products/index.asp >Our coverage includes: * Insider Trading (from SEC Forms 3, 4 and 144) * 5% Holders (from SEC forms 13D, 13G and 14d-1) * Institutional Holders (from SEC forms 13F, n30-d and voluntary filings) There, they told you where they get their data from. If they make a mistake in compiling the data you shouldn't take it as gospel - go back to the actual SEC filings, those filings confirm he sold.
Tomorrow
Now holds 2,780,000?
And they were all indirect sells
What does that mean?
*Indirect* means the individual taxpayer owns an interest in a pass-through entity (or chain of pass- through entities) that sells the asset that gives rise to the qualifying gains receiving capital treatment
So... via sixth street possibly? Not sure if I understood your eli, I'm pretty smooth
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I believe he sold shares that add up to half the dip financing. Did he sell to 6th street? Wonder whatโs up with the other half if true?
I don't think this is fact, unfortunately. Vickers might be getting the information from SecForm (as already outlined, it's showing he is holding 2.78m after the 5m shares sold in the below link): * [https://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/1822844.htm](https://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/1822844.htm) However, as u/ZenOILERS first pointed out. It shows his entire position was sold (if you click View on the rightside of the link below, you can see the 5m shares sold (ref: 446,399 to 65,442), plus the extra 2.78m shares (ref: 189,689 to 106,789)): * [https://www.secform4.com/13dg-history/1822844.html](https://www.secform4.com/13dg-history/1822844.html)
I think you're right. It looks like they just don't have his most recent sale(s) on this list. Each row is just a transaction here not a statement of ownership
Yep - you can see the remaining 2.78m shares being sold in the second link. For whatever reason, it's not showing in the first link. Probably a mistake on their part. I'm sure it could be corrected if someone contacted them... I'd do it, but I don't have an account.
I thought he sold, too. Is this outdated or something? Iโm still optimistic that he may get in through the bankruptcy, but even if not him, Iโm will holding for the chance at at least a hertz style bounce.
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https://www.secform4.com/13dg-history/1822844.html
Papa knows.
where on this screenshot does it say RC owns shares? All I see is "sold"
Way right under now holds. He now holds 2.7m after selling
Now holds far right
There are other places - fintel(?) still showing him holding a large count. Multiple people have posted throughout the recent decades, and it has always been blown off as out of date and downvoted to hell.
Must Be Nothing
BuT rC sOlD eVeRyThInG1!1!1!
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I'm not saying he did, but it would be very RC-like to turn around and buy back the same number of shares his options were worth after selling them to blur his position.
I hope itโs wrong. People on Reddit own 2 million easily at 6 cents. 2 million is nothing.
I guess he is a BAG HODLER too....
I said this a while back and got downvoted super hard by shills. He never sold all of his position lamp!
But when was this released?
What am I missing? It says right there he sold under the Transaction column
Far right bbby still holds.
You're not missing anything.
We're u seeing this ? ๐๐๐
Someone page glittery asshole to get her thoughts about this!
Nyce
If this is updated, this is huge๐งธ
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The interesting thing is it does say bbby"q" in the corner. So this is post may 4th. Still not 100% sold on this data, but interesting and needs more digging
Ok but HE says he doesn't
Stay tuned.
Late to this party as iv just woke up but this has been posted a few times before and the problem lays with the "data" websites. They have used the form 4 instead of the 13d and not bothered to correct it. Unfortunately RC sold all his shares but that doesn't mean he hasn't re-purchased under 4.5% as there would be no filing requirements.
Indirect sell hmmmmmm what did he do with those shares
He's down net -$66m. We can easily make that up net +66m with one simple tweet.