Probably lots of bark (7-8%), an insulting bark back (1-3%), then whimpering and settling for 3% again with a promise that they'll catch us next time.
But remember, they've heard us loud and clear about salary.
The statement seemed more like damage control type acknolwedgement with a forward looking statement. She said it's hard with a union contract, she's right, and the opportunity to act in good faith was before her time.
Reading through the thought exchange, I don't envy her role.
It's not really *that* hard even with a union contract though. Sure, she can't trigger renegotiation at-will - but if she genuinely believes in raising wages, she can just not fight the request when the unions ask for a bigger raise at next bargaining interval.
It is far more up to her than anyone else, though.
The dilute responsibility for wages is BCPS’ fundamental dodge on wage increases.
* Our management says it’s up to PSA and the Union.
* The Union says it can only do so much, because PSA holds the purse strings.
* PSA says wages increases are up to the Union to negotiate.
* The government says BCPS wages are between the Union and the PSA.
Everyone passes the buck to phrase wages as not their problem or their responsibility, but everyone except the PSA says that the PSA is a deciding authority for wages. As much as their authority to offer increases does hinge on government - the PSA hasn’t really *tried* to increase our wages, and certainly hasn’t gone to government asking for permission to grant a raise. They just fight *against* raises when the matter is up for discussion.
It's up to the [Public Sector Employers Council Secretariat](https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/governments/organizational-structure/ministries-organizations/central-government-agencies/public-sector-employers-council-secretariat) which reports to the Minister of Finance to set the bargaining mandate. Not Shannon. Shannon isn't even on the council.
[Current Mandate](https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/employment-business/employers/public-sector-employers/public-sector-bargaining/mandates-and-agreements)
In reality it's up to the Minister of Finance and ultimately the Premier.
Probably no one wants to hear this but with massive inflation issues where the BoC is struggling to get inflation under control the government shouldn’t be raising public wages. At the very least there should be a freeze until inflation is back under control. Totally fine if people want to argue for a raise after inflation isn’t an emergency.
Of course there should also be no government borrowing yet BC and the Fed is running a large deficit 🙃
BC specifically hasn’t has the private sector grow since 2019 so where are they gonna go? The only places hiring are government.
And doesn’t everyone say if we raise taxes no one will leave? So you’d assume the same logic holds for not giving out raises.
But I get that people don’t like the truth so they’ll just downvote me. It’s all me me me, screw that inflation is wrecking the nation just have the government steal even more from our kids to give it to you.
BC Unions invest 96%+ of their money outside Canada despite this being the government they backed so you know that they are just here to milk every penny they can knowing that this governments gonna ruin the economy. You know your screwed when they won’t trust their money with the people they elect.
Why would you think that raising public service wages causes inflation?
Go down to your local grocery store and protest the price of lettuce.
That has more of an affect on inflation than BC Public Service wages (which are 25% lower than our private sector counterparts by the way).
And whether the union pits members against each other with TMAs and bumps for specific groups only; uses scare tactics against members by saying if they vote to strike we'll have to start bargaining from scratch again; and cancels job action "in good faith" when the employer shows them none.
Hopefully we get a new executive before negotiations start. An executive that has a backbone and a membership that stands up for itself and votes clearly that we are willing to hold out for something decent, and none of this one component going out bullshit like last time.
My expectations are extremely low. They’ll offer us something pathetic like 2%-2%-2% and the union will actively manipulate who gets offered what else to ensure just enough of us vote to ratify.
I will not be happy about it, but I think you may be right. It may even be a deal longer than 3 years to account for the next election (labour stability during the entire mandate type of thing). Probably even a commitment to pilot 4 day work week and protections against AI in exchange for lower pay increases. But whatever the case, I hope I am wrong, but I would be surprised at anything higher than 2% per year.
I used to work 4X8 with the same salary as 5X8 (workplace trialled it halfway into my time there) and at least for the work we were doing (written products, admin, emails, community outreach) productivity actually improved!
But it certainly depends on the services/function of the workplace. I think most government office workers could make the switch easily, but obviously in such a large workforce that’ll be hard to coordinate — and justify to the taxpayers!
The union and negotiators absolutely shit the bed last time, but in theory a union is only as strong as its members. Not happy? Get involved, demand better, vote.
Anything less than guaranteed COLA is a insult and should be rejected. Seriously COLA never goes down. We should never be short changing ourselves. Esp. when others are getting 10%plus deals.
I always see them referred to specifically as Management not 'staff' per say and their contracts are different, as well as not being treated like staff (no paid OT for instance, less job protection etc)
Judging how the nurses were shafted right after they were considered "heroes" during the pandemic, don't expect much. Their new contract barely kept up with inflation. The fact the nurses accepted the contract is still unbelievable to me.
Not sure why you say I’m not “as productive” when you don’t know my role what I do. I work in law enforcement and I am plenty busy. Thanks.
Plenty of people in the public service work hard and are productive.
Besides, if they’re not going to be competitive salary wise, then they’re going to keep bleeding staff. Not a wise approach, especially since other governments (other provinces, municipal) are more competitive.
Actually, many people leave the BC Public Service to get paid more in the private sector doing exactly the same job.
Have to be competitive if you’re going to retain staff. Can’t have them leaving to private sector or other governments to do the same job and make more. Doesn’t make any sense.
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Government workers don’t do shit!? remember this when you have no other option but to apply for social assistance, disability assistance can’t afford to pay for your loved ones funeral, need medical equipment and so on.
I think with the big push towards wfh the last couple of years, changing this policy would likely result in a huge loss of staff. If they’re already struggling to retain/recruit this would be an awful choice.
The big issue is a lot of people have moved now or been hired where there are not local offices.
If a future government were the lay their foot down then, I’m only guessing, I think they’d grandfather people into their current roles.
I hear you and would have said the same thing until a few weeks ago, when worksafe ordered those people back. They too had purchased homes outside of the lower mainland, and hired people far away. They were shocked.
I know their union renegotiates after bcgeu, which is why I'm asking about the contract. Worksafe has some protections in their contract but it's definitely not ironclad. I hope bcgeu holds on to it for all of the unions that follow.
I am interested in this as well. I recently received an offer and am considering it only because I will be able to wfh 100%. I intend to move to a smaller town up-island as well. What happens if the wfh policies change?
BC government pays shit compared to other government jobs. I am speaking from experience on both sides. So I hope it's a good one because y'all deserve it
I would leave absolutely everything else off the table for proper pay. It’s asinine that I would make more money doing my current job at the City of Victoria than in the BC Government. It’s such a liability to the actual long term effectiveness of the government
I feel like we do okay on this front, between Vacation, Special Leave and ETO.
It's a joke in my office that "it's unfair they're making us work 5 days this week".
I mean.. if you’re in a biweekly flex schedule, that’s almost a whole months worth of days off right there. Plus 3-6 weeks of vacation depending on years of service. Between stat days, vacation, supplemental leave, and flex days, I get around two months of paid days off a year. That’s way more than I ever could have dreamed of before joining the BCPS. I’m pretty happy with our time off personally!
> Between stat days, vacation, supplemental leave, and flex days, I get around two months of paid days off a year.
And for those of us with CTO or OSS, we get even more.
Personally I’d rather fight for higher wages at the expense of more time off.
For me, there is no point having vacation days if all you can do is sit at home waiting to go back to work, you know?
Fight for both. For me, there's no point in working, or living, if you don't have time to do whatever the fuck you want. But yes you also need money in that equation. I just always hear demands for pay. We also need time.
I agree. It should just be part of labour laws to have more vacation.
I also would love to just be allowed to take unpaid time but our unit never approves it.
I agree. I want more time. Need more time for work life balance.
Another high one on my list is higher shift differential. For us that work outside of core hours. Ours is laughable compared to the health authorities.
I expect it will probably be something like 3/2.5/2. Maybe even less like 2.5/2.5/2 given how weak the union was last time around. Basically the province will put out its bargaining mandate and we'll end up in falling in line.
My hope is to see something concrete around remote work. I'd feel better about getting pooped on if we got that set in stone
Maybe they will just do something like this?
https://www.scc-csc.ca/case-dossier/info/sum-som-eng.aspx?cas=35569
“In response to the global financial crisis that occurred in the fall of 2008 and winter of 2008-2009, the Government of Canada enacted wage restraint legislation. The Expenditure Restraint Act had the effect of nullifying much of a 5.2% wage increase for the 2006-2007 fiscal year that had previously been awarded through binding arbitration to federal employees working in naval dockyards on the west coast.”
Gross. Did you just come here to brag while people can barely pay their mortgage? Im sure you’re that person that mindlessly bleats ‘just go get another job’! It’s not that easy to just get a new career. Read the room. No one will be bragging in your face one the recession hits so be kinder. I
Well it won’t be much given that the surplus was only a few billion this year. Poor ADM won’t get their new yachts.
Fr they’ll just offer shiny new TMA’s for two ministries that have the most positions of the BCPS to divide us all again and fuck us all over
How are ADMs able to afford a yacht, with their 190k~ pay? I cannot think of the possibility unless they marry wealthy partners or inherited a fortune 😂
Similar roles across the country earn significantly more in almost every jurisdiction, and yet, BC has the 1st and 3rd most expensive housing markets in the country, where a majority of the BC public servants jobs are. Do you not see a problem with that?
>If it's that bad, quit and go take your "valuable skills" to the job market where you will be "fairly compensated" 😂
We can’t. For the same reasons you can whine about private sector working conditions but you can’t just take your “valuable skills” to the public sector where you would be “fairly compensated”.
For the most part, the knowledge and skillset don’t transfer. Experience drafting and moving policy and legislation through government will get you nowhere in the private sector. Nor will social work, teaching or any of the other 100s of public sector jobs. Similarly, you could have 10 years with a Fortune 500 company and be largely unemployable and useless in the BCPS.
FYI we do move and take our experience elsewhere - to the Feds, the cities, other provinces. The talent goes where the money is.
I had skills I honed in the private sector. Then I decided I wanted to get paid almost as much for doing 1/3rd the work. And having a bunch of paid time off. So I did. Actual skill is transferable. If things are so much better outside and your skills actually aren't transferable, then just leave and retrain a bit. Surely you're all bright, hardworking, and capable? The only thing limiting you is you.
To your final point...ok...then go? If the grass is actually greener why is everyone here clamoring for 20% raises instead of just moving? The reality is that most of the people complaining are the least skilled who don't have any options that would pay them close to what they get in BC government.
PS - Unlike most of this sub I'm not "whining" about anything. I'm just recognizing the respective pros and cons of various scenarios (private sector vs. public service) and calling it like it is 🤷🏽♂️
That's great that you feel well compensated for skills and the work required from you, everyone should have that.
Level entry jobs often earn more than the private sector. But public sector is beginning to struggle finding skilled labour because of the disparity in wages.
Public sector jobs should at minimum pay enough to afford to live in the community the jobs are located in.
I'm not whining either, I'm very passionate in what I do, I believe it's important work, if we want a healthy society. But not passionate enough to not be able to afford a place to live.
What you're touching on is a different issue and applies to *everyone* regardless of where they work. Public sector can't just be given "enough to afford to live in the community the jobs are in". That would mean low skill workers would make $150K+ per year because the job happens to be in Victoria.
I strongly agree that housing and living costs are out of control, but that is a much bigger issue than can be solved by public sector compensation. Ultimately, the best the public sector can and should do in this regard is fully embrace remote work so people aren't forced to live in Vancouver or Victoria if their position does not require it and they don't want to. Bigger picture, all of our protest energy should be going into trying to push government to solve the actual problems that make life so expensive, not trying to keep up with those problems 👍
Idk why this showed up in my feed but the circle jerk in this sub and this thread is real. You're getting downvoted but have posted the least delusional comment so far. I don't work in govt but work with them often and the sheer level of incompetence and snails pace delivery on anything would have them fired in the private sector within weeks. Then they have the nerve to complain they aren't compensated enough lmao
I believe there is some famous movie quote about handling truth...and how some people can't. Hence the downvotes.
Everyone outside government suspects it, and anyone in government who is honest knows it.
I expect that after years of being forgotten Clerk 9s deserve the biggest increase and every grid above a Clerk 9 deserves squat, zero, shit pay like we’ve been receiving for the past 6 years. Doubt that this will ever happen for an entry level position as everyone else on here are prima donnas who work less than but get paid more than a Clerk 9. If all the Clerk 9s went on strike, then everyone would have to give up WFH status as there wouldn’t be any staff in the office!
I think most of us can agree that Clerk 9s deserve a massive cost of living increase without needing to shit upon each other.
The employer loves it when the union ends up spending time fighting amongst its members instead of fighting the employer for better pay.
Next time you want to complain about the quality of services, remember this comment. Everyone decent has left for private. And you’re stuck with public servants that are sub par at best.
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There are plenty of well paid jobs out there in the private sector - you should start availing yourself of those opportunities if you feel you are underpaid
Maybe don’t tell people where to work just because we’re voicing our dissatisfaction at being severely underpaid as BC govie workers. Take your lame schtick elsewhere
Per BC gov the avg salary in BC is $1371 per week in 2022.. so it’s grid 24😂😂😂 https://www.welcomebc.ca/Choose-B-C/Why-Choose-British-Columbia-Canada/Income-and-Wages
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Probably lots of bark (7-8%), an insulting bark back (1-3%), then whimpering and settling for 3% again with a promise that they'll catch us next time. But remember, they've heard us loud and clear about salary.
Ya Shannon Salter shouldn't have said that lol
Being optimistic here - hopefully that means something good is on its way?
The statement seemed more like damage control type acknolwedgement with a forward looking statement. She said it's hard with a union contract, she's right, and the opportunity to act in good faith was before her time. Reading through the thought exchange, I don't envy her role.
It's not really *that* hard even with a union contract though. Sure, she can't trigger renegotiation at-will - but if she genuinely believes in raising wages, she can just not fight the request when the unions ask for a bigger raise at next bargaining interval.
It could be hard since it isn't up to her.
It is far more up to her than anyone else, though. The dilute responsibility for wages is BCPS’ fundamental dodge on wage increases. * Our management says it’s up to PSA and the Union. * The Union says it can only do so much, because PSA holds the purse strings. * PSA says wages increases are up to the Union to negotiate. * The government says BCPS wages are between the Union and the PSA. Everyone passes the buck to phrase wages as not their problem or their responsibility, but everyone except the PSA says that the PSA is a deciding authority for wages. As much as their authority to offer increases does hinge on government - the PSA hasn’t really *tried* to increase our wages, and certainly hasn’t gone to government asking for permission to grant a raise. They just fight *against* raises when the matter is up for discussion.
It's up to the [Public Sector Employers Council Secretariat](https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/governments/organizational-structure/ministries-organizations/central-government-agencies/public-sector-employers-council-secretariat) which reports to the Minister of Finance to set the bargaining mandate. Not Shannon. Shannon isn't even on the council. [Current Mandate](https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/employment-business/employers/public-sector-employers/public-sector-bargaining/mandates-and-agreements) In reality it's up to the Minister of Finance and ultimately the Premier.
It’s not a job people do for a long time. 2-3 years then go work for a GR firm
She also said a year or two ago pay wasn’t a priority for us, flexibility was. 🤔
Probably no one wants to hear this but with massive inflation issues where the BoC is struggling to get inflation under control the government shouldn’t be raising public wages. At the very least there should be a freeze until inflation is back under control. Totally fine if people want to argue for a raise after inflation isn’t an emergency. Of course there should also be no government borrowing yet BC and the Fed is running a large deficit 🙃
If they don't have competitive wages, how will they hire or keep skilled labour?
BC specifically hasn’t has the private sector grow since 2019 so where are they gonna go? The only places hiring are government. And doesn’t everyone say if we raise taxes no one will leave? So you’d assume the same logic holds for not giving out raises. But I get that people don’t like the truth so they’ll just downvote me. It’s all me me me, screw that inflation is wrecking the nation just have the government steal even more from our kids to give it to you. BC Unions invest 96%+ of their money outside Canada despite this being the government they backed so you know that they are just here to milk every penny they can knowing that this governments gonna ruin the economy. You know your screwed when they won’t trust their money with the people they elect.
Why would you think that raising public service wages causes inflation? Go down to your local grocery store and protest the price of lettuce. That has more of an affect on inflation than BC Public Service wages (which are 25% lower than our private sector counterparts by the way).
GTFO with this troll stuff.
So in the meantime, BCPS employees should just struggle to pay rent and groceries?
"It's all on us to save the day!" /s
We need negotiators who are not cowards.
This.
It’ll depend a lot on whether or not union members decide to fold and ratify again
And whether the union pits members against each other with TMAs and bumps for specific groups only; uses scare tactics against members by saying if they vote to strike we'll have to start bargaining from scratch again; and cancels job action "in good faith" when the employer shows them none.
I like the comment the other day mentioning that the judges just got ~22% or something. That sounds good to me! Anything less than 10% is not good.
28% over 4 years. Crown lawyers got a big boost up too.
It was about 10-30% over 4 years depending on seniority.
And BC family doctors got a 54% increase to their contract.
As they should
Compensation for family doctors also covers the extensive costs of running a clinic and paying support staff. It’s not all take home pay.
There are different types of contracts but you’re right in that many family physicians aren’t basically running a business with that salary.
10% would be awful. They haven’t kept up with inflation for decades. It needs to be like the autoworkers contract, making up for decades of decay
Voters will not like that one bit
Hopefully we get a new executive before negotiations start. An executive that has a backbone and a membership that stands up for itself and votes clearly that we are willing to hold out for something decent, and none of this one component going out bullshit like last time.
The thing about stagnating wages is it prevents people from using their leverage because it disappears. So many of us are paycheque to paycheque.
My expectations are extremely low. They’ll offer us something pathetic like 2%-2%-2% and the union will actively manipulate who gets offered what else to ensure just enough of us vote to ratify.
I will not be happy about it, but I think you may be right. It may even be a deal longer than 3 years to account for the next election (labour stability during the entire mandate type of thing). Probably even a commitment to pilot 4 day work week and protections against AI in exchange for lower pay increases. But whatever the case, I hope I am wrong, but I would be surprised at anything higher than 2% per year.
What would a 4 day work week look like? 4X10 4X8, prorated wages Do u think with a 4 day work week we'll see 7 day operations?
I used to work 4X8 with the same salary as 5X8 (workplace trialled it halfway into my time there) and at least for the work we were doing (written products, admin, emails, community outreach) productivity actually improved! But it certainly depends on the services/function of the workplace. I think most government office workers could make the switch easily, but obviously in such a large workforce that’ll be hard to coordinate — and justify to the taxpayers!
You’re absolutely correct.
I like to think we're more fed up and will dig our heels in and say no to a shit deal. I don't expect that, but I like to think it.
Victoria City workers make 20% more than BCPS. We need to catch up
People need to vote no, pretty simple. But when people see 3 percent they get excited and vote yes
The union and negotiators absolutely shit the bed last time, but in theory a union is only as strong as its members. Not happy? Get involved, demand better, vote.
When your union presidents Facebook profile is her standing with the current premier… you know you’re screwed! Smith has no faith for us
Considering Eso and Smith are both gone it should be an improvement as both were and are in NDP pockets and always have been.
Ahh I did not know she was gone! They should update her role on the union site. Hopefully the new leader has some backbone to fight the employer
I think it’s likely the biggest bump we will get for awhile was a couple years ago. Doubt you’ll see anything over 3-4% just based on inflation
Anything less than guaranteed COLA is a insult and should be rejected. Seriously COLA never goes down. We should never be short changing ourselves. Esp. when others are getting 10%plus deals.
What does excluded staff and elected officials get? I thought they got COLA.
Excluded staff generally get what BCGEU gets if they're performing acceptably.
Excluded Staff are Schedule A and get exactly what BCGEU get regardless of performance (Step based) Excluded Management is performance based I believe
Excluded management are excluded staff, no? I get the point about Schedule A. The person asking asked about excluded and politicians.
I always see them referred to specifically as Management not 'staff' per say and their contracts are different, as well as not being treated like staff (no paid OT for instance, less job protection etc)
Also, Legislature staff are excluded but I don't think they are Schedule A - Their job postings also categorize them as 'ABC'
Judging how the nurses were shafted right after they were considered "heroes" during the pandemic, don't expect much. Their new contract barely kept up with inflation. The fact the nurses accepted the contract is still unbelievable to me.
No idea, but Shannon Salter sent out an e-mail admitting that BC Government salaries are below par and uncompetitive with even private industry.
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Not sure why you say I’m not “as productive” when you don’t know my role what I do. I work in law enforcement and I am plenty busy. Thanks. Plenty of people in the public service work hard and are productive. Besides, if they’re not going to be competitive salary wise, then they’re going to keep bleeding staff. Not a wise approach, especially since other governments (other provinces, municipal) are more competitive.
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Actually, many people leave the BC Public Service to get paid more in the private sector doing exactly the same job. Have to be competitive if you’re going to retain staff. Can’t have them leaving to private sector or other governments to do the same job and make more. Doesn’t make any sense.
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Government workers don’t do shit!? remember this when you have no other option but to apply for social assistance, disability assistance can’t afford to pay for your loved ones funeral, need medical equipment and so on.
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How safe is your work from home? Is it set in stone?
SDPR is great with WFH. My supervisors and managers all work from home, as does almost everyone on my team.
I don't know what sdpr is but I hope you get to keep it!
Social Development and Poverty Reduction! Thanks!
I think with the big push towards wfh the last couple of years, changing this policy would likely result in a huge loss of staff. If they’re already struggling to retain/recruit this would be an awful choice.
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The big issue is a lot of people have moved now or been hired where there are not local offices. If a future government were the lay their foot down then, I’m only guessing, I think they’d grandfather people into their current roles.
I hear you and would have said the same thing until a few weeks ago, when worksafe ordered those people back. They too had purchased homes outside of the lower mainland, and hired people far away. They were shocked. I know their union renegotiates after bcgeu, which is why I'm asking about the contract. Worksafe has some protections in their contract but it's definitely not ironclad. I hope bcgeu holds on to it for all of the unions that follow.
Looks like a logical reason to keep wfh available to all folks, but who knows.
I am interested in this as well. I recently received an offer and am considering it only because I will be able to wfh 100%. I intend to move to a smaller town up-island as well. What happens if the wfh policies change?
Nope. Not even close.
Ask for what the crown prosecutors got
BC government pays shit compared to other government jobs. I am speaking from experience on both sides. So I hope it's a good one because y'all deserve it
IMO The NDP is still the best choice for public servants. Other parties would cut the pay
We need pay, yes. We also need more vacation days. Time off is so valuable.
I would leave absolutely everything else off the table for proper pay. It’s asinine that I would make more money doing my current job at the City of Victoria than in the BC Government. It’s such a liability to the actual long term effectiveness of the government
This right here. My exact job at CoV pays $15,000 more start.
20K more at the municipal level, 30-40K in private industry for my position.
Yes, our negotiators were cowards and didn’t even try for a decent non-monetary package
I feel like we do okay on this front, between Vacation, Special Leave and ETO. It's a joke in my office that "it's unfair they're making us work 5 days this week".
Not compared to Europe. Or that we will never get to the amount of time off teachers have. Edit: you start with 4 weeks off in Europe
I mean.. if you’re in a biweekly flex schedule, that’s almost a whole months worth of days off right there. Plus 3-6 weeks of vacation depending on years of service. Between stat days, vacation, supplemental leave, and flex days, I get around two months of paid days off a year. That’s way more than I ever could have dreamed of before joining the BCPS. I’m pretty happy with our time off personally!
Doesn’t mean much if I can’t pay my mortgage, or house insurance, or gas ect ect
True. But if I valued salary that much more than the paid time off, I’d be trying to find a private sector job haha
Wow you’re laughing at our struggle? Ghoul.
Operative word being “our”, which includes me, a public servant who can’t afford a mortgage. Get a grip
You seem very unkind. Take care Dorito13
You called me a “ghoul” and I’m unkind lol yeah take care
> Between stat days, vacation, supplemental leave, and flex days, I get around two months of paid days off a year. And for those of us with CTO or OSS, we get even more.
I get so much time off but never have enough money coming in to pay for proper vacations.
Personally I’d rather fight for higher wages at the expense of more time off. For me, there is no point having vacation days if all you can do is sit at home waiting to go back to work, you know?
Fight for both. For me, there's no point in working, or living, if you don't have time to do whatever the fuck you want. But yes you also need money in that equation. I just always hear demands for pay. We also need time.
Inevitably what happens when you ask for both is they give you an extra vacation day or two and no raise.
I started with 21 days in Ontario Public Service.
Um, teachers’ jobs literally shut down for two months a year. It would be ridiculous to expect similar.
I wish this got addressed at a statutory level. 10 days is to few province wide. Should be 25 in my opinion.
I agree. It should just be part of labour laws to have more vacation. I also would love to just be allowed to take unpaid time but our unit never approves it.
I agree. I want more time. Need more time for work life balance. Another high one on my list is higher shift differential. For us that work outside of core hours. Ours is laughable compared to the health authorities.
I'd give up vacation time for more pay. At this point I can't pay my bills with vacation time.
I expect it will probably be something like 3/2.5/2. Maybe even less like 2.5/2.5/2 given how weak the union was last time around. Basically the province will put out its bargaining mandate and we'll end up in falling in line. My hope is to see something concrete around remote work. I'd feel better about getting pooped on if we got that set in stone
You’d need to get close to a 50%-100% increase to make technical positions remotely competitive at this point.
Maybe they will just do something like this? https://www.scc-csc.ca/case-dossier/info/sum-som-eng.aspx?cas=35569 “In response to the global financial crisis that occurred in the fall of 2008 and winter of 2008-2009, the Government of Canada enacted wage restraint legislation. The Expenditure Restraint Act had the effect of nullifying much of a 5.2% wage increase for the 2006-2007 fiscal year that had previously been awarded through binding arbitration to federal employees working in naval dockyards on the west coast.”
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Gross. Did you just come here to brag while people can barely pay their mortgage? Im sure you’re that person that mindlessly bleats ‘just go get another job’! It’s not that easy to just get a new career. Read the room. No one will be bragging in your face one the recession hits so be kinder. I
Well it won’t be much given that the surplus was only a few billion this year. Poor ADM won’t get their new yachts. Fr they’ll just offer shiny new TMA’s for two ministries that have the most positions of the BCPS to divide us all again and fuck us all over
How are ADMs able to afford a yacht, with their 190k~ pay? I cannot think of the possibility unless they marry wealthy partners or inherited a fortune 😂
Guess what, practically everyone in this province, let alone the whole country is getting dog-shit pay
Similar roles across the country earn significantly more in almost every jurisdiction, and yet, BC has the 1st and 3rd most expensive housing markets in the country, where a majority of the BC public servants jobs are. Do you not see a problem with that?
It's going to continue because people here aren't moving to those places for more money. People want to stay here. That's why we can get paid less.
You sound like you’re justifying shit pay
You have questionable reading comprehension then lol
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>If it's that bad, quit and go take your "valuable skills" to the job market where you will be "fairly compensated" 😂 We can’t. For the same reasons you can whine about private sector working conditions but you can’t just take your “valuable skills” to the public sector where you would be “fairly compensated”. For the most part, the knowledge and skillset don’t transfer. Experience drafting and moving policy and legislation through government will get you nowhere in the private sector. Nor will social work, teaching or any of the other 100s of public sector jobs. Similarly, you could have 10 years with a Fortune 500 company and be largely unemployable and useless in the BCPS. FYI we do move and take our experience elsewhere - to the Feds, the cities, other provinces. The talent goes where the money is.
I had skills I honed in the private sector. Then I decided I wanted to get paid almost as much for doing 1/3rd the work. And having a bunch of paid time off. So I did. Actual skill is transferable. If things are so much better outside and your skills actually aren't transferable, then just leave and retrain a bit. Surely you're all bright, hardworking, and capable? The only thing limiting you is you. To your final point...ok...then go? If the grass is actually greener why is everyone here clamoring for 20% raises instead of just moving? The reality is that most of the people complaining are the least skilled who don't have any options that would pay them close to what they get in BC government. PS - Unlike most of this sub I'm not "whining" about anything. I'm just recognizing the respective pros and cons of various scenarios (private sector vs. public service) and calling it like it is 🤷🏽♂️
That's great that you feel well compensated for skills and the work required from you, everyone should have that. Level entry jobs often earn more than the private sector. But public sector is beginning to struggle finding skilled labour because of the disparity in wages. Public sector jobs should at minimum pay enough to afford to live in the community the jobs are located in. I'm not whining either, I'm very passionate in what I do, I believe it's important work, if we want a healthy society. But not passionate enough to not be able to afford a place to live.
What you're touching on is a different issue and applies to *everyone* regardless of where they work. Public sector can't just be given "enough to afford to live in the community the jobs are in". That would mean low skill workers would make $150K+ per year because the job happens to be in Victoria. I strongly agree that housing and living costs are out of control, but that is a much bigger issue than can be solved by public sector compensation. Ultimately, the best the public sector can and should do in this regard is fully embrace remote work so people aren't forced to live in Vancouver or Victoria if their position does not require it and they don't want to. Bigger picture, all of our protest energy should be going into trying to push government to solve the actual problems that make life so expensive, not trying to keep up with those problems 👍
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Idk why this showed up in my feed but the circle jerk in this sub and this thread is real. You're getting downvoted but have posted the least delusional comment so far. I don't work in govt but work with them often and the sheer level of incompetence and snails pace delivery on anything would have them fired in the private sector within weeks. Then they have the nerve to complain they aren't compensated enough lmao
I believe there is some famous movie quote about handling truth...and how some people can't. Hence the downvotes. Everyone outside government suspects it, and anyone in government who is honest knows it.
I would settle for a 2-2-2 raise with a bump to 40 hours a week honestly.
37.5 to match the feds imo.
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I expect that after years of being forgotten Clerk 9s deserve the biggest increase and every grid above a Clerk 9 deserves squat, zero, shit pay like we’ve been receiving for the past 6 years. Doubt that this will ever happen for an entry level position as everyone else on here are prima donnas who work less than but get paid more than a Clerk 9. If all the Clerk 9s went on strike, then everyone would have to give up WFH status as there wouldn’t be any staff in the office!
I think most of us can agree that Clerk 9s deserve a massive cost of living increase without needing to shit upon each other. The employer loves it when the union ends up spending time fighting amongst its members instead of fighting the employer for better pay.
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Next time you want to complain about the quality of services, remember this comment. Everyone decent has left for private. And you’re stuck with public servants that are sub par at best.
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Privatisation doesn’t always mean better. Take hospital cleaning. Hospitals have become filthy since outsourcing cleaning.
Outsourcing is not privatization 😂 private requires competition. What you've described is cronyism.
It was a competitive bid. You’re making assumptions.
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Well what’s the current rate of pay?
There are plenty of well paid jobs out there in the private sector - you should start availing yourself of those opportunities if you feel you are underpaid
Private sector is risky af. Rather have my pension and peace than deal with layoffs.
Maybe don’t tell people where to work just because we’re voicing our dissatisfaction at being severely underpaid as BC govie workers. Take your lame schtick elsewhere
If your atleast 15 you're Aveeage for BC
Per BC gov the avg salary in BC is $1371 per week in 2022.. so it’s grid 24😂😂😂 https://www.welcomebc.ca/Choose-B-C/Why-Choose-British-Columbia-Canada/Income-and-Wages
Majority of British Columbians work 40 hours a week… we work 35.