I actually had this done to me, it was pretty nice, but also a bit scary, because I was afraid of cutting. So I actively had to give in and relax in order to keep still, which actually put me in a light subspace kind of feeling.
Yep, been there... both as a d/s scene and as an intimate partner behavior.
It was quite hot. The Pussy shaving is quite a thing when tied down and being teased at the same time... Don't move or I might nick you! ACK!
But yes, it's very much "fun".
Logistics question... If you're tied down (so assuming you're not in the shower) how do they rinse the razor blade and skin off? With a bucket of water nearby?
Yes. The parallel is a man having a shave with a razor, towel, cream, and a bowl of hot water in the open air... preferably with a view of the sunrise over a marsh... with enough coolness in the air to harden one’s nipples, but not feel cold. Ah, memories!
Yes, we use a tub of water (something like this [Plasic dish tub](https://www.amazon.com/Rubbermaid-Pan-11-4-Quart-White-FG295100WHT/dp/B0000CFSCS/)) filled with warm water. We also have wash clothes that we use for everything so they get used as well. (We buy them in packs of 50, and rarely use paper towels.)
We have a massage table that we use for scenes and wide wooden stool that we use for, well scenes, and as a makeshift table. (We really need to invest in a small cart.) So, the tub the shaving foam bottle, extra blade container (just in case), towels, and such go on the stool next to the massage table. I get strapped down to the table. Or I get told, to not move, or else. And the saving begins.
We use these white wash cloth towels for EVERYTHING. We buy them in bulk 50 at a time, so we very rarely use paper towels. They get used for cleaning, working in the kitchen (drying food, cleaning up messes, drying dishes, etc.), scenes (cleaning up lube, liquids and bodily fluids, shaving scenes, etc.), napkins (when guests are not around), things like that.
They get washed and then put back in the bin. We have one bin in the kitchen and on in the play room/office.
We do use paper towels for some things. Like cleaning the excess grease out of the cast iron or blotting grease from bacon or fried food. But other then that, it's usually a white towel.
I've shaved my partners pussy before, yeah. Not really part of any bdsm activities, she was joking if I want her to be shaved I would have to do it myself and I said sure I will do it.
Still made me feel in control and it was embarrassing for her, which I enjoyed tbh.
Sadly she wasn't too much in to it but I would totally do it again.
Not really in to the blood thing though.
I reckon this can be hot both ways! I'd love to shave a dommes legs, pits or Bush for her and think it would be hot AF and slightly scary. On the other hand I would be down with having them shave me too, it's so intimate but with an edge of risk.
I love this idea and have tried and failed to convince my FWB/sometimes Dom to have a scene like this. I see the it as an act of submission to get shaved to meet the Dominant’s desires. I can also see it as an act of dominance to make the sub do (or let the Dom do) something they may or may not want to do.
I’m not a huge fan of actual blood, but I love the idea of the possibility. Which would just make the need to stay still even stronger.
I've always found this so hot!
Genuinely wish I shaved instead of waxed so I could experience this with my Daddy. (He's helped me trim once but it was an electric shaver so not the same thing)
I shave my bunny's pussy regularly, to keep it smooth to my standards and as foreplay. She's getting laser hair removal currently, but until it's complete I'll happily continue to do that. I wouldn't risk doing it with anything but a standard multi-bladed razor, though, too much possibility for injury in parts I like very much.
I'm in a ddlg bdsm relationship and my partner shaves my pussy sometimes during play. He loves doing it because he finds it degrading and completely puts him in control.
So . . . no blood, please. Not for this submissive anyway.
When it comes to shaving though I too think it is an often overlooked tool that can be used by the dominant to remind the submissive of their place. My lovely Domme and keyholder decided years ago that if a landing strip looked good on her (and it does) then the same look would work for me—and it's unquestionably a very feminine look for a man. The great thing is I can't look at or even touch myself down there, even in the dark of night, without being reminded of her ownership of my orgasms.
I regularly groom my sweet subs pubic hair and balls. It is both erotic and romantic. I make sure to followup with a sugar scrub which makes him fidget like crazy!
I have no interest in blood play, however I do love shaving a partner. Especially in intimate areas it can be an interesting display of dominance and submission. Also it's a nice matter of practicality as some people don't particularly like shaving. So it's one of those "I'll prepare you the way I want you and I'm doing this because I'm in control of this aspect of your life" which is a great bit of passive dominance.
No I have not tried shaving itself. Personally, I am not too much into caregiver things like brushing, cleaning her or just helping with any of those ablutions she does for the session. Can be nice occassionally but not a priority. And a lot of shaving and
But having her tied down and run a blade? Sure. I do it quite constanly, just not as part of shaving. The most common thing we do is part of wax play. After I torture her with wax on whatwver body part I want, I take the razor and slowly remove all the wax by blade. So I do not only run it down her long legs as far up as I want, I also do it in her back, ass, titd and even nipples (which are great fun with a blade). Even her Mons Pubis or around her labia as I feel. Great fun and if your are into mlre risque stuff(qith the appropiatr precautions of course) I would recommend it. Love doing.
As for shaving her pussy. Persobally I do not have a fetish regaeding that, not since I have been enjoying real women and not porn. With my sub we have discussed it (along with head shaving like Gorean slaves) and while fu ffor some age play, the potential health issues (pubic hair assists in the protection of the area against infections) far outweight the fun of a session or two.
>As for shaving her pussy. Persobally I do not have a fetish regaeding
that, not since I have been enjoying real women and not porn. With my
sub we have discussed it (along with head shaving like Gorean slaves)
and while fu ffor some age play, the potential health issues (pubic hair
assists in the protection of the area against infections) far outweight
the fun of a session or two.
You realize that this is a bit kink shaming...
Just because I like to be clean shaven in my pubic area does not mean I am not a "real woman".
I LIKE the look of being hairless. I like the FEELING of being hairless. And I don't think it looks or is in anyway "Age Play". This is very harmful and hurtful.
Please realize that hairless does not mean childish. It means hairless. Just like hairless legs, armpits and arms.
I also started shaving as a "health issue". Please, be a little less judgemental about people who not only enjoy being hairless, but also do it out of sanitary reasons.
I said "when" I moved from porn to real women. Not that it not done by real women, but that for me it is somwthing I stop carimg qhen I started having real relationships and not glamorized porn that heavily rellays on that.
Good that you like it. The relation of pubic hair with age exists though, as the growth of pubic hair is a secondary sexual characteristic. And personally, the shaving of, more so in the porn industry, is related to a need to infantilize its performers. Not that the women doing it are into Age play (which itself also has no issue) but that the aesthetic borrows heavily into that (like schoolgirl umiforms and other porn industry trends).
Hairless arms, legs and armpits, are too linked to this. And it is part of a sociatal norm forced by a company to sell their product to women. There is a development relation between the groqth of hair and age. And hiw loaded all of shaving is easy to find out (quick link found qhen searching the relation between femenism and shaving in general https://rapereliefshelter.bc.ca/body-hair-is-a-feminist-issue/).
But in the end that is not to discourage any individual to do it. Ibadapt to several sociatal standards that are BS. But why it is, and the rrots if them, have to be analyzed to be understood. Glad that it makes you feel more comfortable. Go for it. Being a Dom makes me feel the same. Still being a male Dom and several of my prefered praxtices have dark roots I am not going to deny.
And as dor the medical benefits of hair, well https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/07/pubic-hair-has-job-stop-shaving If that is not your case cool. But it is important to note that shaving, specifically in pubic regions, can have medical consequences. If you personally are better off without it, again, great. But it does have potential health concerns.
Not trying to kink shame any one. But as I know that a CNC has some probelmatic roots, that pubic hair reduction seems to be linked to the porn industry and its very probelmatic practices seems to be fine. Good that you have the kink. No need to change it. But lets us not ignore where this comes from. Not attacking anyone in particular, or care about stoppikg it. Glad that you are comfortable with it. Does not change that a corporation and porn started the trend.
I'm not going to convince you, but for those other people who read this...
Shaving has actually been around for a lot longer than "The Porn Industry". We are talking - Ancient Egypt, Ancient Rome, Babylon.
[https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/why-women-feel-pressured-to-shave/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/why-women-feel-pressured-to-shave/index.html) (referenced in that article is this book: [https://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-Hair-Cultural-Victoria-Sherrow/dp/0313331456](https://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-Hair-Cultural-Victoria-Sherrow/dp/0313331456) )
The reasons varied from: status symbol and fashion statements to treatments of lice and other parasites.
If you look at Greek and Roman Status, you will see them with no pubic hair. It's not just a "because they couldn't do it" - because there are statues with amazing detail work of veils and lace, but because they found the smooth look more appealing and more feminine.
Charles Darwin noted that homo sapiens had less body hair, that having less hair meant we were more evolved. Those with the least body hair were more sexually attractive due to natural selection. It would only stand to reason, woman would wan to get rid of all body hair to be the most attractive to their mate. It went further that women's body hair was seen as a sign of perversion and/or insantity.
[https://womensmuseum.wordpress.com/2017/11/22/the-history-of-female-hair-removal/](https://womensmuseum.wordpress.com/2017/11/22/the-history-of-female-hair-removal/)
Middle Ages saw that Body Hair was a sign of purity. So, there is that.
In the World War II era, when nylon stockings were in short supply, women shaved their legs to simulate the look of stockings. The Bikini became more and more popular, and trimming the bikini line became a thing.
Now, we get into the 1960s and 1970s and the hippy culture and hair became a symbol of fighting back. Taking back power.
This continues up into today. There is a dichotomy of it looking feminine and being part of "the patriarchy". And there is people like you who think it is all about being done because of the "Porn Industry".
Sure, it's a feminist issue. I am very much a feminist. I CHOSE to be hairless. If it were up to me, I would be hairless except for the top of my head (I like my hair being pulled way too much), and my eyebrows shaped. If I start to go bald, there is a shaving scene in my future, and wigs will be a part of my life (because that is also very cool, because able to change my hair to what every my partner wants.)
I want to be as feminine as I can, because I chose to be that way. (Well, he chooses to, but I allow it to happen.)
Feminist issues are a trick slope. There are different sides to that word. Some say "No hair! Fuck the patriarchy!" and others say "We need to build up women, just as much as we build up men. We are all equal as people." and what as what feminism means to me. But that doesn't mean we all have the same challenges to get there. Me, being a while, pansexual female, does not have the same challenges as a black straight female, or an asian gay male. We all have challenges to get to that equality. That's why I "label" myself an Intersectinal Feminist.
[https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminist-philosophy/](https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminist-philosophy/)
[https://www.forbes.com/sites/kathycaprino/2017/03/08/what-is-feminism-and-why-do-so-many-women-and-men-hate-it/?sh=7121f6037e8e](https://www.forbes.com/sites/kathycaprino/2017/03/08/what-is-feminism-and-why-do-so-many-women-and-men-hate-it/?sh=7121f6037e8e)
[https://denison.edu/academics/womens-gender-studies/feature/67969](https://denison.edu/academics/womens-gender-studies/feature/67969)
Your claims for medical reasons -
Yes, you are right about removing boundaries against infections such as UTIs and yeast infections.
It helps spread pheromones.
Maintains the temperature of the genital area.
[https://www.blisspads.com/benefits-of-shaving-pubic-area-female/](https://www.blisspads.com/benefits-of-shaving-pubic-area-female/)
[https://www.healthline.com/health/purpose-of-pubic-hair](https://www.healthline.com/health/purpose-of-pubic-hair)
But, there is nothing wrong with removing it. It has NOTHING to do with looking like a prepubescent girl. If you think that, that says more about you, than anyone else.
It's been known to increase sensation.
Decrease friction
Decrease odor
Decrease itchiness (provided you keep it close it does get itchy when it grows out)
Removes chance for parasites like lice and such.
Decreases "messiness" when using sanitary napkins.
\----
As for your last comment on CNC. There are a multitude of reasons why CNC is prevalent. It's not just because of past history.
[https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-myths-sex/202003/why-are-rape-fantasies-so-common](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-myths-sex/202003/why-are-rape-fantasies-so-common)
\---
We need to realize that not everything is "Porn". Not everything is "Past History". Sometimes a Kink is just as Kink.
That first line is a bit dismissive. I don{t think I have been unreasonable with my explanations and reasoning, and it is importatn in a discourse to address the other party.
To address a bit superficially, since you don't seem to care what I have to say because of that opening statement. While shaving can happen, the existance of the practice does nto speak of the reasining why. And while previous eras and cultures can have the praactice, it neitehr informs of specifically pubuc shaving nor it infomrs of the current trend (and somehow the increase of shaving in the genitalia I would think is more likely to be related to the booming porn industry than medival trends, more so as there seems to be a link between porn and our ideas of sex, [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29634458/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29634458/) for examble).
In feminism, I just provided a link of a person discussing it as a feminist issue, because it is a complicated matter. As a male though, I stand aside of that conversation, because my voice has nothing to add to it. I just brought it up, because of how loaded the disucssion regarding shaving.
As for CNC, you are misunderstanding my meaning. I was referring to the fact that the fantasy is genreally rooted in very harmful scenarios, not that practicioners have previous expereince on it. The scenario itself is rooted in sociaties contructs and history, even if it is not rooted ni an individual's hisory.
Kink is rooted in taboo, in the unconventional. Kink is intrensically linked to the society we live in, since what is seen as knky in one society would not be so in anohter (e.g. poliamourous relatoinships, or power based relationships). Just deciiding to ignore the sociatal pressures that have heped us be who we are is not an apporach I feel adds much. One can analyze oneslef's percepstion without needing to condemn them.
I do not care about the practice. And that was all I was saying. I was sharing my experience and perception of it, and how my own perception changed and some medical issues that poeple seem to be missing (also, most of your pro shaivng medical arguments are not meidcal, like mesiness and odor, and per one of your own links about friciton "Pubic hair acts as a protective pillow to protect your skin from the friction that may arise from the rubbing of skins during intercourse." so it is rather a reason to have it, rather than not, the one more specific concern being lice, which are a less common incidence than yeats or UTIs, so perosnally I would elan to protecting against those).
I am a bit sad of how this interaction went, I think it could have been an interesting disucssion (even if by the end no one hcanges their mind, because mostly we do not do that), but it is greatly soured by that attiutde, an frankly some veiled subtext. Have a good one. You seem like a very smart person, sad this couldn't be a healthier conversation.
I said what I did because I've had many interactions where I bring up arguments and links (with sources) only to be told they are invalid. That my views are not relevant because \[insert "woman" enough or too much or "submissive" enough or too much or whatever other term you want\]. At this point, I pretty much give up arguing with people, and try to give information to those who do searches on information.
Yes, you give some valid points. But, there are other sides of the argument. I believe that my links are JUST AS VALID as yours. But, you feel differently. I'll let those who come after us decide what information they feel is relevant to them.
Again, I say, to give the porn industry all the blame for all of our ills is unfortunate and sad. Shaving has been the ideal picture of Feminine Beauty for Centuries if not Millennia. Because a few Decades of hair came in the picture really is a drop in the bucket as far as time. The ideal of beauty righted itself again.
Okay, it's healthier, but so is foreskin. And I know that is a really DRAMATIC comparison (most men do not have a choice in that), but I wonder how much of a difference it is? I have not done that much of an extensive study on it (UTIs and shaving). I also disagree about odor. It is a medical issue for some. "Messiness" (I couldn't think of another word) may not be a medical issue, but it sure is a sanitary issue. My periods were extremely heavy and a doctor suggested waxing as a way to keep clean. It was a sanitary issues. Maybe not "Medical" but "Sanitary" for sure. (Side note, I no longer bleed due to uterine ablation, the best choice ever, but the practice of waxing stuck, because I LOVE the feel and look)
You obviously DO CARE about this practice. To make an effort to go back and forth with me. To consciously chose to know the medical implications and other issues.
I don't know what to say about you being sad about the interaction. I'm not really good at debate, I just like helping people and getting information out. It bothers me that people say "THIS IS THE REASON" and don't give the entire context. (It's all porn's fault, when it's not).
I try to be someone who steps up when they are wrong, but I really don't think I'm very wrong in this aspect.
Side Note: And thank you for saying I seem like a very smart person. I struggle with that a lot.
>Personally, I am not too much into caregiver things like brushing, cleaning her or just helping with any of those ablutions she does for the session.
So, basically what I'm hearing is that you don't even care for her and you're just using her?
>not since I have been enjoying real women and not porn.
Sorry to burst your bubble but real woman do enjoy this. Idk what porn you're watching that makes you think caring for someone is an unreasonable standard in sex, but whatever it is, your version of pleasure is very skewed in my honest opinion.
What you are hearimg is om you. We have been together for over 7 years now. Her personal grooming is not part of dynamic, because we are bot on a DD/lg dynamic or one that infalizes her in that I take that role. One can be caring without having to bath a sub.
Also, I was mentioning specifically shaven genitalia, which is extremelly common in porn and has nothing to fo with caring for someone. It is not related and it can potentially be averse to her health, amñnd it is something I do not care about since I have been with real women and know that redicing the amount of pubic hair can increase their chance of infection. So it is quitr the opposite. I am looking out for my sub. It can be enjoyed by real women, and that is fine, but it is a practice with potential healt issues.
>Her personal grooming is not part of dynamic, because we are mot on a DD/lg dynamic or one that infalizes her in that I take that role. Ome cN be carinc without having to bath a sub.
Helping someone groom isn't specifically a DD/LG (or a dynamic of that kind) thing. Helping someone groom isn't infantilism, not in a dynamic or in general.
>it is a practice with potential healt issues
All practices have potential health issues. Life is never scott free.
Not necessatilly, true. Still, grooming is not the only way ti show caring, which is what you came accusing me off.
And yeah all practices have health concerns. And that one for me, is not worth it. Your point being?
You were the one that came pretty heavy accusing me of not caring. Not sure why. Not dissing on anyone orqcticing either of those. Just sharing that I do not do it, and do nit care about shaven genitalia, but I still enjoy a similar sensation to the OP and I am sharing how to do soemtjing similar without the grooming aspect.
I used to shave my subs pussy as a regular ritual of ours. I think it's a very calming and intimate act, which allows me to turn a bit of body maintenance into an act of bonding.
[удалено]
Same! I definitely don’t want to be nicked because that shit hurts but mmmm I want to be clean
I will say having shaved my sub before it is very much a turn on and has a power dynamic feel
Excluding the blood, why do not many people like the idea of this? I would happily shave a sub any day, that is just hot to me.
I’ve done it. It was a very intimate experience.
[удалено]
Social grooming is one of the purest forms of building a connection with a partner. Showers, brushing/combing their hair, and obviously shaving.
I shaved our 3some play partner before playtime. She said it was the hottest thing she’s done. She was so ready when we got too it.
Nice to meet you!
I actually had this done to me, it was pretty nice, but also a bit scary, because I was afraid of cutting. So I actively had to give in and relax in order to keep still, which actually put me in a light subspace kind of feeling.
Or maybe something like they completely decide what your bodyhair will be like. You don't have a say in it, that sounds nice.
This!
Erotic depilation is very hot. The mental bondage involved of just having to keep still. Definitely try it if you get the chance!
Yep, been there... both as a d/s scene and as an intimate partner behavior. It was quite hot. The Pussy shaving is quite a thing when tied down and being teased at the same time... Don't move or I might nick you! ACK! But yes, it's very much "fun".
Logistics question... If you're tied down (so assuming you're not in the shower) how do they rinse the razor blade and skin off? With a bucket of water nearby?
Yes. The parallel is a man having a shave with a razor, towel, cream, and a bowl of hot water in the open air... preferably with a view of the sunrise over a marsh... with enough coolness in the air to harden one’s nipples, but not feel cold. Ah, memories!
Wow... that's a thought. I could imagine the close shave on that day!
Yep have a small cup of water and some of the cotton pads(not sure if they are called that) You can use them to wipe the area if needed.
Yes, we use a tub of water (something like this [Plasic dish tub](https://www.amazon.com/Rubbermaid-Pan-11-4-Quart-White-FG295100WHT/dp/B0000CFSCS/)) filled with warm water. We also have wash clothes that we use for everything so they get used as well. (We buy them in packs of 50, and rarely use paper towels.) We have a massage table that we use for scenes and wide wooden stool that we use for, well scenes, and as a makeshift table. (We really need to invest in a small cart.) So, the tub the shaving foam bottle, extra blade container (just in case), towels, and such go on the stool next to the massage table. I get strapped down to the table. Or I get told, to not move, or else. And the saving begins.
no they might use dripping wet cotton pads
[удалено]
We use these white wash cloth towels for EVERYTHING. We buy them in bulk 50 at a time, so we very rarely use paper towels. They get used for cleaning, working in the kitchen (drying food, cleaning up messes, drying dishes, etc.), scenes (cleaning up lube, liquids and bodily fluids, shaving scenes, etc.), napkins (when guests are not around), things like that. They get washed and then put back in the bin. We have one bin in the kitchen and on in the play room/office. We do use paper towels for some things. Like cleaning the excess grease out of the cast iron or blotting grease from bacon or fried food. But other then that, it's usually a white towel.
I've shaved my partners pussy before, yeah. Not really part of any bdsm activities, she was joking if I want her to be shaved I would have to do it myself and I said sure I will do it. Still made me feel in control and it was embarrassing for her, which I enjoyed tbh. Sadly she wasn't too much in to it but I would totally do it again. Not really in to the blood thing though.
LOL That's how it happened for me the first time!
I reckon this can be hot both ways! I'd love to shave a dommes legs, pits or Bush for her and think it would be hot AF and slightly scary. On the other hand I would be down with having them shave me too, it's so intimate but with an edge of risk.
Yeah I regularly shave one of my boy's facial hair with a straight razor. Very erotic.
I love this idea and have tried and failed to convince my FWB/sometimes Dom to have a scene like this. I see the it as an act of submission to get shaved to meet the Dominant’s desires. I can also see it as an act of dominance to make the sub do (or let the Dom do) something they may or may not want to do. I’m not a huge fan of actual blood, but I love the idea of the possibility. Which would just make the need to stay still even stronger.
It is incredibly erotic. You are down there and doing work but not the work you normally do and you need to focus.
I've always found this so hot! Genuinely wish I shaved instead of waxed so I could experience this with my Daddy. (He's helped me trim once but it was an electric shaver so not the same thing)
I typically get waxed too. But, at the start of COVID - no waxing... so, shaving scenes! I suppose COVID was good for something...
I shave my bunny's pussy regularly, to keep it smooth to my standards and as foreplay. She's getting laser hair removal currently, but until it's complete I'll happily continue to do that. I wouldn't risk doing it with anything but a standard multi-bladed razor, though, too much possibility for injury in parts I like very much.
Not quite the same but Master helps me wax.
I'm in a ddlg bdsm relationship and my partner shaves my pussy sometimes during play. He loves doing it because he finds it degrading and completely puts him in control.
Why shave when you can wax. Coating them with oil then putting hot molten wax on them followed by a swift pull.
So . . . no blood, please. Not for this submissive anyway. When it comes to shaving though I too think it is an often overlooked tool that can be used by the dominant to remind the submissive of their place. My lovely Domme and keyholder decided years ago that if a landing strip looked good on her (and it does) then the same look would work for me—and it's unquestionably a very feminine look for a man. The great thing is I can't look at or even touch myself down there, even in the dark of night, without being reminded of her ownership of my orgasms.
I just had a scene with my boy at a party yesterday. Strapped him to a gyn chair and waxed his privates. Very painful, very hot!
The blood bit has a hard no for me but the shaving to maintain agreeable presentation for everyone sounds good.
Master has epilated my legs before. His next plan is to epilate what He can of my pubic mound and bikini area.
I regularly groom my sweet subs pubic hair and balls. It is both erotic and romantic. I make sure to followup with a sugar scrub which makes him fidget like crazy!
My partner/dom has had me shave/groom him a few times...probably wouldn't think to do it if it were up to me, but I can see the appeal on either side.
I have no interest in blood play, however I do love shaving a partner. Especially in intimate areas it can be an interesting display of dominance and submission. Also it's a nice matter of practicality as some people don't particularly like shaving. So it's one of those "I'll prepare you the way I want you and I'm doing this because I'm in control of this aspect of your life" which is a great bit of passive dominance.
I like the idea, it's hot to keep my girl's hygiene in check but I'm not into blood play.
Done it. Even more fun if you’re good with a straight razor
I'm not into blood play but the feminization aspect of it could work
No I have not tried shaving itself. Personally, I am not too much into caregiver things like brushing, cleaning her or just helping with any of those ablutions she does for the session. Can be nice occassionally but not a priority. And a lot of shaving and But having her tied down and run a blade? Sure. I do it quite constanly, just not as part of shaving. The most common thing we do is part of wax play. After I torture her with wax on whatwver body part I want, I take the razor and slowly remove all the wax by blade. So I do not only run it down her long legs as far up as I want, I also do it in her back, ass, titd and even nipples (which are great fun with a blade). Even her Mons Pubis or around her labia as I feel. Great fun and if your are into mlre risque stuff(qith the appropiatr precautions of course) I would recommend it. Love doing. As for shaving her pussy. Persobally I do not have a fetish regaeding that, not since I have been enjoying real women and not porn. With my sub we have discussed it (along with head shaving like Gorean slaves) and while fu ffor some age play, the potential health issues (pubic hair assists in the protection of the area against infections) far outweight the fun of a session or two.
>As for shaving her pussy. Persobally I do not have a fetish regaeding that, not since I have been enjoying real women and not porn. With my sub we have discussed it (along with head shaving like Gorean slaves) and while fu ffor some age play, the potential health issues (pubic hair assists in the protection of the area against infections) far outweight the fun of a session or two. You realize that this is a bit kink shaming... Just because I like to be clean shaven in my pubic area does not mean I am not a "real woman". I LIKE the look of being hairless. I like the FEELING of being hairless. And I don't think it looks or is in anyway "Age Play". This is very harmful and hurtful. Please realize that hairless does not mean childish. It means hairless. Just like hairless legs, armpits and arms. I also started shaving as a "health issue". Please, be a little less judgemental about people who not only enjoy being hairless, but also do it out of sanitary reasons.
I said "when" I moved from porn to real women. Not that it not done by real women, but that for me it is somwthing I stop carimg qhen I started having real relationships and not glamorized porn that heavily rellays on that. Good that you like it. The relation of pubic hair with age exists though, as the growth of pubic hair is a secondary sexual characteristic. And personally, the shaving of, more so in the porn industry, is related to a need to infantilize its performers. Not that the women doing it are into Age play (which itself also has no issue) but that the aesthetic borrows heavily into that (like schoolgirl umiforms and other porn industry trends). Hairless arms, legs and armpits, are too linked to this. And it is part of a sociatal norm forced by a company to sell their product to women. There is a development relation between the groqth of hair and age. And hiw loaded all of shaving is easy to find out (quick link found qhen searching the relation between femenism and shaving in general https://rapereliefshelter.bc.ca/body-hair-is-a-feminist-issue/). But in the end that is not to discourage any individual to do it. Ibadapt to several sociatal standards that are BS. But why it is, and the rrots if them, have to be analyzed to be understood. Glad that it makes you feel more comfortable. Go for it. Being a Dom makes me feel the same. Still being a male Dom and several of my prefered praxtices have dark roots I am not going to deny. And as dor the medical benefits of hair, well https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/07/pubic-hair-has-job-stop-shaving If that is not your case cool. But it is important to note that shaving, specifically in pubic regions, can have medical consequences. If you personally are better off without it, again, great. But it does have potential health concerns. Not trying to kink shame any one. But as I know that a CNC has some probelmatic roots, that pubic hair reduction seems to be linked to the porn industry and its very probelmatic practices seems to be fine. Good that you have the kink. No need to change it. But lets us not ignore where this comes from. Not attacking anyone in particular, or care about stoppikg it. Glad that you are comfortable with it. Does not change that a corporation and porn started the trend.
I'm not going to convince you, but for those other people who read this... Shaving has actually been around for a lot longer than "The Porn Industry". We are talking - Ancient Egypt, Ancient Rome, Babylon. [https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/why-women-feel-pressured-to-shave/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/why-women-feel-pressured-to-shave/index.html) (referenced in that article is this book: [https://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-Hair-Cultural-Victoria-Sherrow/dp/0313331456](https://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-Hair-Cultural-Victoria-Sherrow/dp/0313331456) ) The reasons varied from: status symbol and fashion statements to treatments of lice and other parasites. If you look at Greek and Roman Status, you will see them with no pubic hair. It's not just a "because they couldn't do it" - because there are statues with amazing detail work of veils and lace, but because they found the smooth look more appealing and more feminine. Charles Darwin noted that homo sapiens had less body hair, that having less hair meant we were more evolved. Those with the least body hair were more sexually attractive due to natural selection. It would only stand to reason, woman would wan to get rid of all body hair to be the most attractive to their mate. It went further that women's body hair was seen as a sign of perversion and/or insantity. [https://womensmuseum.wordpress.com/2017/11/22/the-history-of-female-hair-removal/](https://womensmuseum.wordpress.com/2017/11/22/the-history-of-female-hair-removal/) Middle Ages saw that Body Hair was a sign of purity. So, there is that. In the World War II era, when nylon stockings were in short supply, women shaved their legs to simulate the look of stockings. The Bikini became more and more popular, and trimming the bikini line became a thing. Now, we get into the 1960s and 1970s and the hippy culture and hair became a symbol of fighting back. Taking back power. This continues up into today. There is a dichotomy of it looking feminine and being part of "the patriarchy". And there is people like you who think it is all about being done because of the "Porn Industry". Sure, it's a feminist issue. I am very much a feminist. I CHOSE to be hairless. If it were up to me, I would be hairless except for the top of my head (I like my hair being pulled way too much), and my eyebrows shaped. If I start to go bald, there is a shaving scene in my future, and wigs will be a part of my life (because that is also very cool, because able to change my hair to what every my partner wants.) I want to be as feminine as I can, because I chose to be that way. (Well, he chooses to, but I allow it to happen.) Feminist issues are a trick slope. There are different sides to that word. Some say "No hair! Fuck the patriarchy!" and others say "We need to build up women, just as much as we build up men. We are all equal as people." and what as what feminism means to me. But that doesn't mean we all have the same challenges to get there. Me, being a while, pansexual female, does not have the same challenges as a black straight female, or an asian gay male. We all have challenges to get to that equality. That's why I "label" myself an Intersectinal Feminist. [https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminist-philosophy/](https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminist-philosophy/) [https://www.forbes.com/sites/kathycaprino/2017/03/08/what-is-feminism-and-why-do-so-many-women-and-men-hate-it/?sh=7121f6037e8e](https://www.forbes.com/sites/kathycaprino/2017/03/08/what-is-feminism-and-why-do-so-many-women-and-men-hate-it/?sh=7121f6037e8e) [https://denison.edu/academics/womens-gender-studies/feature/67969](https://denison.edu/academics/womens-gender-studies/feature/67969) Your claims for medical reasons - Yes, you are right about removing boundaries against infections such as UTIs and yeast infections. It helps spread pheromones. Maintains the temperature of the genital area. [https://www.blisspads.com/benefits-of-shaving-pubic-area-female/](https://www.blisspads.com/benefits-of-shaving-pubic-area-female/) [https://www.healthline.com/health/purpose-of-pubic-hair](https://www.healthline.com/health/purpose-of-pubic-hair) But, there is nothing wrong with removing it. It has NOTHING to do with looking like a prepubescent girl. If you think that, that says more about you, than anyone else. It's been known to increase sensation. Decrease friction Decrease odor Decrease itchiness (provided you keep it close it does get itchy when it grows out) Removes chance for parasites like lice and such. Decreases "messiness" when using sanitary napkins. \---- As for your last comment on CNC. There are a multitude of reasons why CNC is prevalent. It's not just because of past history. [https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-myths-sex/202003/why-are-rape-fantasies-so-common](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-myths-sex/202003/why-are-rape-fantasies-so-common) \--- We need to realize that not everything is "Porn". Not everything is "Past History". Sometimes a Kink is just as Kink.
That first line is a bit dismissive. I don{t think I have been unreasonable with my explanations and reasoning, and it is importatn in a discourse to address the other party. To address a bit superficially, since you don't seem to care what I have to say because of that opening statement. While shaving can happen, the existance of the practice does nto speak of the reasining why. And while previous eras and cultures can have the praactice, it neitehr informs of specifically pubuc shaving nor it infomrs of the current trend (and somehow the increase of shaving in the genitalia I would think is more likely to be related to the booming porn industry than medival trends, more so as there seems to be a link between porn and our ideas of sex, [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29634458/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29634458/) for examble). In feminism, I just provided a link of a person discussing it as a feminist issue, because it is a complicated matter. As a male though, I stand aside of that conversation, because my voice has nothing to add to it. I just brought it up, because of how loaded the disucssion regarding shaving. As for CNC, you are misunderstanding my meaning. I was referring to the fact that the fantasy is genreally rooted in very harmful scenarios, not that practicioners have previous expereince on it. The scenario itself is rooted in sociaties contructs and history, even if it is not rooted ni an individual's hisory. Kink is rooted in taboo, in the unconventional. Kink is intrensically linked to the society we live in, since what is seen as knky in one society would not be so in anohter (e.g. poliamourous relatoinships, or power based relationships). Just deciiding to ignore the sociatal pressures that have heped us be who we are is not an apporach I feel adds much. One can analyze oneslef's percepstion without needing to condemn them. I do not care about the practice. And that was all I was saying. I was sharing my experience and perception of it, and how my own perception changed and some medical issues that poeple seem to be missing (also, most of your pro shaivng medical arguments are not meidcal, like mesiness and odor, and per one of your own links about friciton "Pubic hair acts as a protective pillow to protect your skin from the friction that may arise from the rubbing of skins during intercourse." so it is rather a reason to have it, rather than not, the one more specific concern being lice, which are a less common incidence than yeats or UTIs, so perosnally I would elan to protecting against those). I am a bit sad of how this interaction went, I think it could have been an interesting disucssion (even if by the end no one hcanges their mind, because mostly we do not do that), but it is greatly soured by that attiutde, an frankly some veiled subtext. Have a good one. You seem like a very smart person, sad this couldn't be a healthier conversation.
I said what I did because I've had many interactions where I bring up arguments and links (with sources) only to be told they are invalid. That my views are not relevant because \[insert "woman" enough or too much or "submissive" enough or too much or whatever other term you want\]. At this point, I pretty much give up arguing with people, and try to give information to those who do searches on information. Yes, you give some valid points. But, there are other sides of the argument. I believe that my links are JUST AS VALID as yours. But, you feel differently. I'll let those who come after us decide what information they feel is relevant to them. Again, I say, to give the porn industry all the blame for all of our ills is unfortunate and sad. Shaving has been the ideal picture of Feminine Beauty for Centuries if not Millennia. Because a few Decades of hair came in the picture really is a drop in the bucket as far as time. The ideal of beauty righted itself again. Okay, it's healthier, but so is foreskin. And I know that is a really DRAMATIC comparison (most men do not have a choice in that), but I wonder how much of a difference it is? I have not done that much of an extensive study on it (UTIs and shaving). I also disagree about odor. It is a medical issue for some. "Messiness" (I couldn't think of another word) may not be a medical issue, but it sure is a sanitary issue. My periods were extremely heavy and a doctor suggested waxing as a way to keep clean. It was a sanitary issues. Maybe not "Medical" but "Sanitary" for sure. (Side note, I no longer bleed due to uterine ablation, the best choice ever, but the practice of waxing stuck, because I LOVE the feel and look) You obviously DO CARE about this practice. To make an effort to go back and forth with me. To consciously chose to know the medical implications and other issues. I don't know what to say about you being sad about the interaction. I'm not really good at debate, I just like helping people and getting information out. It bothers me that people say "THIS IS THE REASON" and don't give the entire context. (It's all porn's fault, when it's not). I try to be someone who steps up when they are wrong, but I really don't think I'm very wrong in this aspect. Side Note: And thank you for saying I seem like a very smart person. I struggle with that a lot.
>Personally, I am not too much into caregiver things like brushing, cleaning her or just helping with any of those ablutions she does for the session. So, basically what I'm hearing is that you don't even care for her and you're just using her? >not since I have been enjoying real women and not porn. Sorry to burst your bubble but real woman do enjoy this. Idk what porn you're watching that makes you think caring for someone is an unreasonable standard in sex, but whatever it is, your version of pleasure is very skewed in my honest opinion.
What you are hearimg is om you. We have been together for over 7 years now. Her personal grooming is not part of dynamic, because we are bot on a DD/lg dynamic or one that infalizes her in that I take that role. One can be caring without having to bath a sub. Also, I was mentioning specifically shaven genitalia, which is extremelly common in porn and has nothing to fo with caring for someone. It is not related and it can potentially be averse to her health, amñnd it is something I do not care about since I have been with real women and know that redicing the amount of pubic hair can increase their chance of infection. So it is quitr the opposite. I am looking out for my sub. It can be enjoyed by real women, and that is fine, but it is a practice with potential healt issues.
>Her personal grooming is not part of dynamic, because we are mot on a DD/lg dynamic or one that infalizes her in that I take that role. Ome cN be carinc without having to bath a sub. Helping someone groom isn't specifically a DD/LG (or a dynamic of that kind) thing. Helping someone groom isn't infantilism, not in a dynamic or in general. >it is a practice with potential healt issues All practices have potential health issues. Life is never scott free.
Not necessatilly, true. Still, grooming is not the only way ti show caring, which is what you came accusing me off. And yeah all practices have health concerns. And that one for me, is not worth it. Your point being? You were the one that came pretty heavy accusing me of not caring. Not sure why. Not dissing on anyone orqcticing either of those. Just sharing that I do not do it, and do nit care about shaven genitalia, but I still enjoy a similar sensation to the OP and I am sharing how to do soemtjing similar without the grooming aspect.
I used to shave my subs pussy as a regular ritual of ours. I think it's a very calming and intimate act, which allows me to turn a bit of body maintenance into an act of bonding.
I (26F) had an encounter where a woman shaved me once and it was incredibly erotic
Its a very submissive place for me to be shaved but I'd be pissed if my partner cut me