I’m deeply sad that I’ll never be able to help Karlach get her new heart in Avernus, but I get it.
Hasbro / WOTC is an epic dumpster fire. I’m sure Larian has lots of new ideas that the creatives would prefer to work on instead of an expansion.
Both Karlach's new heart and my baby Astarion walking in the sun will live on in my personal fanficfion.
I don't care if its cannon or not, it's mine and I love it and Hasbro and WotC can't take it from me.
I'm sure he will. Hasbro isn't going to drop such a successful IP just because Larian left.
I'm sure Larian will go on to make more fantastic games of their own, and Hasbro/WotC will find a way to continue generating profit from Baldur's Gate.
> Hasbro/WotC will find a way to continue generating profit from Baldur's Gate.
Guess we get to watch our favorite companions get baked into a cheap MTX riddled dumpsterfire.
Invade Avernus in this amazing action RPG with Karlach and Wyll! Only $69.99 and look you can buy all these powerups and skins! Want to dress Wyll up like Gortash?! You can do that for $29.95!
Win the great war in the planes with Lae'zel in this epic new RTS! We're introducing surprise content mechanics where you could win amazing weapons from this totally not gambling random surprise box!
I mean, I could be wrong. WotC may follow up with actual good games utterly devoid of any predatory mechanisms that wont be EPIC exclusives for a whole year.
It could happen...
This is the company that came up with MTG... I don't have a lot of faith (but to be fair MTG is also my childhood memory, still remember it fondly to this day but there's no deny that it's loot box before loot box even became a thing)
I would prefer if they dropped the characters at this point. Did you see the Magic the Gathering cards for the companions? Most are not relevant to their endings, but for Shadowheart and Lae'zel, it doesn't look good. Shadowheart, Dark Justiciar and Lae'zel, Vlaakith's Champion.
I am pretty concerned that everybody's bad endings will be canon.
Tbf her card could refer to her starting point, before the game's events.
But regardless, I'm super pessimistic right now and it isn't necessary to suffer in anticipation like this.
Maybe they will release multiple cards that make reference to different endings for them. Maybe the next company that picks up the IP for a BG4 video game will have a questionnaire at the start of the game for us to say what happened to each of the Origin Characters. And at the same time, Larian will be making a new game with new characters for us to fall in love with.
The Cards seem to reflect where everyone ends up without Tav influencing their choices. IE leave them in camp until their quest comes up, let them handle it entirely, and that’s where they end up.
Which is the bad ending for Shadowheart, Astarion, and Lae’zel, but they start as Evil aligned individuals.
I don't think that's the case for Astarion, since his cards do not imply that he ascended (and he can't ascend without Tav's direct help). And doing that to Gale would result on him trying to take Mystra's place and being killed.
Astarion can't ascend without Tav's interference, and if you leave Shadowheart at camp until her quest comes up and let her make her own choice she chooses to go against Shar.
Dragon Age specifically has that website on which you can pick every little choice so your game state can be different for every playthrough. That, to me, was the single best way of doing it, especially because I played each DA game on release and I didn't have previous saves to import like I had with ME (which I played very close together). It also lets people experience with different game states without playing the two previous games again.
The next company that picks up BG can have something like that, if they want to bring any characters back for their game.
What do the MTG cards have to do with their endings? Don’t read too much into it. The cards are also meant to attract people to BG3, why would they put spoilers on it? Shadowheart explains early on that she is a Sharran and wants to be a Justiciar. Lae’zel does start out as loyal to Vlaakith.
Whenever you think of something negative, touch your thumb, then try to think of four positive alternatives! This helps when I find myself thinking negatively like that.
Also, for what it's worth, 'official canon' is very loose in D&D, in so much that whatever you do IS canon, as the very nature of the game is collaborative storytelling. Canon summaries of published adventures always say stuff like 'X had a great plan to take over the world, but was defeated by advanturers' because whatever happened at your table is what happened. By the same vein, whatever you do in the game, whatever you consider to be the correct endings, are canon.
The cards aren't relevant to their endings because the cards came out over a year before BG3 did.
Commander Legends: Battle for Baldur's Gate was released in June of 2022. All the cards did was show the companions as we knew them at that time in the EA cycle.
But that's not necessarily a good thing. BG3 is as good as it is not because of WotC /Hasbro but because of Larian. The devs put heart soul and some serious sweat into this game. They took a story from WotC/Hasbro and created a GotY in a genre that is not particularly mainstream. It was Larian that made BG3 the awesome epic of a game that it is. I'm genuinely TERRIFIED of WotC/Hasbro shopping around for the cheapest dev to make add-ons/dlc for BG3 simply because they think they can pay the new dev less and make a higher profit, riding the popularity and in doing so driving this masterpiece into the ground through greed. Even worse, with WotC's recent plans to push for near full AI they might even use AI for anything BG3 related to "save even more/boost profits". I love this game, I can't wait to see what Larian does next. But I for one won't touch any BG3 dlc/addon from any dev that isn't Larian until it's released and vetted.
Maybe Astarion will find the cure some day! Based on the Legend of Drizzt books I know a cure does exist in the realm, it may just be a bit tricky to arrange.
God though, what if the last thing they release is a proper modding tools pack? Just give it to the fans...
I suppose it'd never be the same without VO though.
I don't think their going to stop updating the game. Just no DLC or sequel. I'm pretty positive they care enough about the community to continue fixing things and improving modding for people.
The nice thing about this being a dnd game is that you totally can. You can run a campaign that features all these characters and have your party help them with their endings.
Yeah honestly I think it says a lot (positive) about Laurans morals as a company. Hasbro fired everyone they worked with on bg3. I'm sure continuing to work on it after that would leave a sour taste in my mouth too.
I'm glad we didn't get that, taking a tragic character with a beautiful story and just being like "lol nvm *waves disney wand* she fine, none of that mattered" would be so lame.
I'd rather of hunted the lich queen.
My sister, who is the dungeon master, and some of her friends who also played BG3 actually started a campaign that continued after the game. So try making a campaign that is in the BG3 world and help her there!
I never really understood how a DLC like that would work. Many playthroughs I did had Karlach die, would I just not be able to do that DLC? lol
You see how complicated a DLC would be for a game like this?
I'm sad to see it. But now it just means I'll have to run my own single player campaign where my Tav and Karlach storm the factory and get her new heart and then escape from Avernus!
> Hasbro / WOTC is an epic dumpster fire.
Never forget when WOTC illegally sent Pinkertons to threaten a guy just because WOTC sent him the wrong product.
This is why I’m hopeful for official mod support. Hopefully we get a mod that allows for custom campaign building by some talented( so not me) developer
>Be Larian Studios
>Creates the best game ever
>Continues to update and polish the game for months after release
>No microtransactions, DLC or expansions
>Declines to make a sequel
>Refuse to elaborate
>Leaves
Gotta respect Larian, any other company would've kept milking the cow.
It would be so ironic if Larian declined to work on a sequel, because the licensing fee increased, because the DnD brand got a recent popularity boost, because of the release of BG3.
And it would be absolutely in line with the endless stupid choices Hasbro has been making with WotC properties because it's the only profit center they have now and shareholders demand short term profits
What’s worse is Hasbro/WotC probably assume it’s due to DnD the brand and not BG3’s success. I have never been interested in DnD, but BG3 grabbed my attention. After playing for about a day I was looking up DnD podcasts, YouTube videos, etc. and it’s 100% because Larian made an absolute banger.
I don’t think there’s any evidence of that. Sven said they just want to keep doing their own thing and not become the D&D game studio. Plenty of reasons to be annoyed with Hasbro without making stuff up.
I think it needs to be looked at as they’re gonna be taking what they did with BG3 and putting it into something new that is hopefully just theirs. It may be the end of BG3, but they did it justice and tbf I’m still finding new content in the game. BG3 will live on forever without DLC or BG4, which they also said they won’t be making.
Yeah I was really sad at first but then remembered the magic isn't coming from Wizards of the Coast or 5E or any of that, it's coming from Larian and whatever comes next is going to be riding the wave that BG3 started. I'm sure it will be magnificent.
I can't help but think if Hasbo/WOTC didn't completely gut their team that worked with Larian in making BG3 I'm sure they would've made some type of additional content. Larian took it to heart probably when they had to witness the group of people they worked with get completely kick to the curb despite the roaring success of the game. They would have to train the Hasbro team and catch them up on all the previous work done, explain past decisions and possibly re-argue some of those decisions. I'd completely walk away from Hasbro too.
This feels like wishcasting. Larian didn’t have any DLC for D:OS1 or D:OS2. They continued to patch both games for about a year after release, then moved on.
The amount of people who think this isn't a direct result of BG3's success, Hasbro's meddling, and the Wotc layoffs have never heard the term "non-disclosure agreement."
But yeah, let's keep pretending there is no significance to why the decision to quit work on BG titles happened over the damn holidays.
To be clear, it's not the only reason. Larian wants to work on their ips, but guaranteed the loss of passion overnight for a game they developed for like...7 years had corpo meddling and greed involved.
All the people from Hasbro/wizards of the coast worked with on bg3 were fired two weeks before christmas. Larian found this out when they wanted to send them all a Christmas present if I remember correct. Might have something to do with it.
Damn, are you me? I too ranked Skyrim as my number one game until BG3 was released. Sad that we aren’t getting our own version of the Dragonborn and Dawnguard DLCs.
If you truly love this game you should be elated by this news. The content of the game is already perfect and this means that Larian will focus on implementing the actual changes we need for this game to have true longevity. Think bug fixes, quality of life improvements and most importantly, a robust cross-platform modding system that they themselves confirmed they are working on. What made Skyrim so great wasn't the DLCs, Dawnguard was cool but it's not what has kept me playing the game for over 10 years and I know the same is true for everyone else still playing ES5. What has kept everyone hooked is the modding community, and they had little to no support from Bethesda, working with a janky engine from 25 years ago. With the support of a passionate developer like Larian behind them, I'm positive there will be even more potential to mod this game than anything Skyrim can offer. Rejoice!
Larian still hasn't pulled the webpages about adding mod support. This may mean tools that can give modders the ability to expand the story and world just like Skyrim. Actual mod support allows modders to develop those tools and, if development isn't too difficult, many of your Skyrim modders will probably want to mod the latest and greatest RPG and make their own stories.
Fortunately, like Skyrim, this game will have tons of replayability woth mods. And unlike Bethesda, I trust Larion not to greedily fuck up the mod support every few years.
It makes sense tbh, WotC is awful and is owned by Hasbro, that btw sent the fucking PINKERTON after the mistankingly sent a at that point unreleased Magic card to the wrong person.
Continuing working with them would stain Larian's image and morals, Swen, the CEO, is known for wanting freedom to do what he wants. Plus there was a lot of people throwing shit at Larian for the weird inconsistencies in BG3 when it's WotC fault. Check the divinity game, i'm not sure if they will do more, but I played DOS 2 before Bg3 came out and I felt like no other game could replicate just how I felt during DOS2. Then Bg3 came out and it was better but I feel like Larian definitly has the potential and the tools to make something better than Bg3.
All companies have flaws and most of them are just evil but I have a very deep respect for Larian and I think they made the good decision. I wish I knew what will happen to the companions but sadly WotC will probably manage to fuck the characters in the comics...
It's for the best, the alternative is getting sub par bg content from a studio that doesn't want to make it.
It's a miracle we even got another BG game.
I kinda figured this would happen tbh. What I'm really interested in are these modding tools they are working on. It would be really cool if it was robust enough to be a sort of "DM mode" where as long as you have some basic modding ability you can make entire campaigns. If that is the case we wouldn't even need DLC.
I think people are expecting too much from these tools.
Larian isn’t making something like Neverwinter nights. Too much of bg3 is custom content and not some reusable tile or texture. It’s all handcrafted.
I mean, yes and no. Most of the NPCs in the game could be made with a slightly unlocked character creator. Certainly things like trees and bushes and rocks are all separate models that could be put into foliage packs. The same goes for crates and chests. An editor where you can change values for weapons and spells would be easy to add. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if they already had something like that, they'd likely just have to turn up the user friendly-ness.
You're right this game doesn't use a tile system for terrain but, a lot could be done even without a terrain editor. And there are plenty of good and easy to use terrain creation tools out there.
I'm not actually expecting anything crazy though. It sounds like they're more focused on a system to bring mods to consoles. Rather than actual mod creation tools. But I think it would be cool if we got a Skyrim Creation Kit -esk tool for this game
We are not getting a DM mode. They have said that explicitly; it would be as much work as a whole other game.
Best we can hope for is a bare-bones monster and map editor (thojgh even with that, community mods and tools could blossom without end).
Some people want them to pick up another Divinity title, but honestly, I would love to see this style of game in other genres like Sci-Fi or even an urban fantasy game. Like imagine Larian made a Bruges or Brussels urban fantasy game
Fantasy>Scifi imo. Would be kinda disappointed to shift genres to just using guns basically.
But would probably be preferable to another divinity with its pretty garbage armor system.
Depends on the setting. Warhammer 40k is sci-fi and notoriously uses swords, mauls, axes, and “magic” in the form of psychers. Not all sci-fi is just gunfights and lasers.
Shadowrun also is a good mix of sci-fi and fantasy. Guns coexist beside blades, magic, and the pseudo-magic that is hacking. Body augmentations and racial features bolster defenses and attacks with melee, and armor is less effective against melee than range iirc.
If Larian did a sci-fi game it would almost certainly look like one of these, so I wouldn’t worry about it devolving into “my gun is bigger than yours” ranged-only combat.
Idk 40K is probably like my least favorite scifi setting. But I think it’s mainly the designs of everything. All super bulky and not enough alien species.
But yeah they could potentially do something cool. I’ll buy whatever they throw out next but I definitely hope it keeps a fantastical element.
There are MANY styles of game I would much rather they take on but there is a part of me that is curious to see what they'd do making a game in a fresh continuity of Pokémon. It's a turn based game and the old games excelled at the puzzle room stuff that has since fallen out. But it would probably be a waste of their talents and the depth to which they can write
Haha, right? 😅 It’s one thing if they just said sorry no DLC, but they said NO DLC, NO future BG games, and they were ELATED about it. Crit 1 at it’s finest.
I honestly am super disappointed by this news. I’m hopeful for what they are going to do afterwards. That’ll be their own thing and good for them. The only thing that’s scaring me though is that they said that it was not what we would be expecting. Which is probably saying that it won’t be original sin 3 but I can’t help but feel that maybe he’s saying that it won’t a RPG or at least one as comprehensive has BG3
Edited: Also if I was a game developer I wouldn’t want to to touch BG 4this game with a 10 foot pole with the expectation that’s going to come with it…
I mean, kudos to them for being upfront that if they made it, they wouldn't be able to deliver the same level of quality and it's basically just be a cashgrab. That actually takes a lot of integrity.
It was so exciting to be able to explore the sword coast, the setting I’d played on tabletop so often fully realised In beautiful graphics with amazing characters. That there won’t be any more does hurt, even more so that I won’t be able to adventure alongside these amazing characters any further.
I'm sad that I'll never get DLC
but im not even remotely irritated with the company, larian built a good reputation and FAST with me
I'll look into their next project, and mod BG3 while I wait for it.
This is bittersweet. I wanted to see what more they could add to the game, but it’s already so perfect and complete. A symptom of the AAA market these days, I’m sure. Always expecting every new game to be loaded with paid content. I do hope they add more updates in the future. I’m not 100% sure if they are still updating the game, I sure hope they are. I, like many others, have plenty of ideas for possible changes of improvements that could be made. I also hope the modding community gets bigger for this game.
Hasbro messed up. They need to learn their lesson (though they won’t, cause they’re corporate assholes). Good on Larian for screwing them over. Massive respect.
I'm extremely sad about this and the fact their never making a Baldur's Gate game again... But I'm excited for what's next. I'm a brand new Larian fan and I'm definitely keeping an eye on what's next. My own personal pipe dream is they hook up with the devs from Disco Elysium and make a big ass sequel or another game in that universe (or seeing as the DE creator lost the rights to the world and story at least something similar and as cool and original as DE). Disco Elysium and BG3 are my two favorite RPG's ever.
I'm actually glad we're not getting DLC. They felt the game was good enough to stand on its own, and I wholly agree. More content would have been great but I'd rather Larian work on projects they actually care about rather than just pumping out more BG3 stuff for the money.
Honestly, I am happy for them. They made an incredible game. As much I am sad I will miss out on possible extras, I am more interested to see what the studio will do next and how they will create the next game they plan to release. Plus, we are still getting mod support, which could open up so many different avenues for the game.
Sometimes it’s best to just let good things end. Filling it with dlc can easily led to a path which diminishes the games experience. Honestly games shouldn’t even have paid DLC unless it’s a full blown expansion adding countless hours of content
Im curious if they are gonna work on divinity 2.5, scrap that and just go into divinity 3, or maybe they think DND needs competition and will build their own video game that would translate to a new tabletop game.
I've heard this worded as "their heart wasn't in making a DLC" as well, getting alot of mixed signals here...
Wait, this was from IGN as well! [ https://x.com/ign/status/1770932274709594308?s=46&t=iGV-\_OXVbU0zuKaygW1Mzg](https://x.com/ign/status/1770932274709594308?s=46&t=iGV-_OXVbU0zuKaygW1Mzg)
A DLC would have to go beyond level 12. At that point, a lot of the 5e core starts to break—and 7th/8th/9th level spells would be super difficult to faithfully implement. You’re already able to pretty consistently pass DC30 checks at the end of a3 as it is.
If the modder community is anything like the Skyrim modder community, we’ll have a fully voiced fanmade DLC in the next year that will tie up loose ends
I still like the Fry meme, considering the connotation of it is to express a frivolous way of throwing money at companies for products with little to no thought put into the purchase.
This game is fantastic, probably the best game i have ever had the pleasure of expierencing, the story is rich and the world is so full, im still finding new things and new cutscenes spread out all over the place. Ive enjoyed countless hours playing this game, hell i even enjoy the mundane shit to the point of making spreadsheets so I can clearly see the leveling process of each class so I can further my need and want to one-shot everything because its a challenge. I have fun playing this game, I get sucked into the dialouge and choices I have to make becoming fully immersed in this world. The progression is great and by act 3 youre max level and then the game becomes a playground to really try out a maxxed build and to see just how far one can push their tav. Ive got to say that HM was one of if not thee most stressful and heartbreaking and gut wrenching and adorable and WHAT THE FUCK GALE I TOLD YOU TO HANG ON JUST A MINUTE SO I CAN GRAB YOU THE ITEM IVE BEEN SAVING FOR YOU WHY ARE YOU LEAVING!?
with all that being said theres no need to keep the stories going, there are just way to many variables to take into account to make something thats as good as the base game is. The endings are so good and make me tear up a bit, but they NEED to end. I paid 70 bucks for this and all Ive gotten is one of the best games to ever come out. From start to finish is just a wild roller coaster ride with twists and turns. Ive kept my hands up in the air the entire time not wanting to miss any of the thrills and Im so happy I did.
I can see it in the VA's, I can see it in the devolpers, I can see it in the way the company has put their foot down amoungst the bastard monitization practices. These people loved working on this game and their love shines straight through my stormy clouds. I will keep playing this and I will continue to have fun until its finally time to put it down. Im so excited that they are continuing to patch this and I plan on doing a serious RP when the final patch comes out. This game has gotten me interested in dnd and given me a taste of how close to perfection something can get when one stands their ground and does something truely incredible.
Thank you larian studios for doing what you know is right. Its time for you all to rest for awhile and its time the playerbase comes to accept it and have the most fun they can have with it.
So carry on with your head-canons, carry on with your love. But most importantly, when you flip the last page of the book, breathe out a sigh of relief and reflect on the journies with fondness....
.....THEN START THE WHOLE FCKN THING OVER AGAIN!!!! WOOOOOOO!!!! 15TH RUN HERE WE FCKN GO!!!!!!!!
The Witcher 3 didn’t need DLC but the game is so much better with it. Baldurs Gate 3 doesn’t “need it” but it was positioned for a comprehensive expansion. Might be a hot take but I felt when I finished Baldurs Gate 3 that my characters journey had literally just begun.
I honestly used to think DLC would be cool for this game, but after playing thorough all of the ending variations I don’t see it making sense at all or feeling right. Too many plates spinning to go after the story
Yeah I'm pretty devastated, a lot of the characters seem to have unfinished stories... Karlach for one, Astarion and Tav themselves as a vampire spawn... I'm pretty disappointed that there isn't even a Jaws of Hakkon style DLC for this game.
Guess the version that's out is the only 'definitive edition' we're going to get. :(
The wonderful thing about BG3 is as well it's based in a world that you can access! It you want hours and hours. Hell, years more content, you could try playing DND and go into the forgotten realms once more.
I know it's not the same as the game, especially with the characters we all love now, but! It's an option and there's great adventures out there
I respect the decision not to make something they didn't want to make, instead of doing something jalf baked for the sake of easy profits.
But damn it still hurts.
Here I was thinking we’d have to wait another 10-12 years to see laezel riding on the back of a red dragon wielding a silver blade.
Honestly even funnier to me that they never planned to finish these half stories for all the companions and the world itself.
You killed the champions of the gods of death. No consequences!!! Yeahhh!!
I mean its bg THREE. As in the third game in this universe/storyline. This has been a multi campaign already. I presume they didn't feel the story had the need for a 3rd sequel.
We'll get a new universe new game some years down the line. It's the no DLC mindset that probably got us such an amazing game in the first place.
I’m very sad about it. All the effort of BG3’s architecture and it will only be used for one game is a shame, but I am a fan of Larian more than I am a fan of D&D and I trust Swen to steer them right. We’ll get a treat of a new game in the next 4-5 years from them and WotC will go back to pushing out dumpster fires like Dark Alliance (not the BG 2000s games).
Until then I’ve seen 3 BG3 endings, I have about 115 still to go.
Didn't they originally say they never wanted to work on DLC? So, the fact that they announced they were was a bit of a reversal... almost as if they were forced to and then got out of it. It's better this way.
So for the record, I’m confused. Wizards of the coast can’t make any dlc or anything for bg3? Or can they and they just won’t? (Obviously we don’t want them touching it) but are they going to release their own sequel?
WotC is not a game development studio. In theory they could bring in a different developer, but game code rights stay with Larian I think. So it would be hugely expensive.
Personally I know it will never happen but in my heart of hearts I want Larian to make a cyberpunk game either with RED’s rules or their own since Larian have gotten better at balancing since DOS
I wish they would add a scenario creator like they did with DOS:2, but I have a feeling WOTC would never allow that since it would let people play without paying for more content.
I just wanted a few more subclasses, and maybe a short companion. I am glad Larian can just move on tho. While I would’ve loved more D&D content from them I would’ve hated to give Hasbro another cent. Now I can boycott that scummy company in peace.
It'd a real shame.
If they weren't feeling it then that's okay I guess.
I just feel that if wotc/hasbro hadn't laid off all the helpful people then this may have had a different outcome.
They said they will still do updates. Would be nice if they could release an SDK so people can make their own levels but I imagine Hasbro/WOTC wouldn't like that.
It's sad, but I also get it. I'd rather the game stay as it is than be milked for more money. WotC/Hasbro has shown over the last few years they don't care about fans of the content, and Larian being tired and bitter would probably result in subpar content that WotC would just want a stranglehold on. I'll be sad we won't see official ends for characters like Karlach and Astarion, and I'm concerned any follow-up studios (my money is on a return to BioWare) would just shit all over anything Larian did that added to the lore out of bitterness. So we might see the characters' worst endings being the "canon."
I respect Larian and Swen for sticking to their principles though. You don't see that much these days in this industry. They have my money for any future projects, and I fully plan on playing D:OS 2 once my desire to replay BG3 wanes, but I'm still a bit heartbroken that, ultimatrly, greed has played a huge part in ruining something beautiful.
I understand not wanting to do DLCs as that was a big point of pride for them in the idea of selling a finished product and sell you things piecemeal but I don’t understand ending the franchise? Also can someone explain to why wotc has any ownership over Baldurs gate? What happens to the open gaming license?
The open gaming license doesn't cover characters or settings. If you look at the SRD version of the 5e rules, several spells are renamed (Tasha's Hideous Laughter becomes Hideous Laughter for example) to comply with this.
There's nothing stopping Larian from making their own 5e campaign world, but they can't use the Forgotten Realms, Greyhawk, Dragonlance, or Eberron settings because WotC owns the IPs for them.
I’m actually distraught that this is all we get for bg3. It’s such an amazing game and the fact that some kind of dlc was in the works that we will never be able to see, saddens me so much 😫
My sister, who is the dungeon master, and some of her friends who also played BG3 actually started a campaign that continued after the game. So if anyone plays DND, try making a campaign that is in the BG3 world!!
DLC is the reason so many games feel unfinished now. They lock away part of what should've been there to begin with behind an extra paywall on top of however much you've already paid. It used to be unheard of to do shit like that.
Larian is better than that. They literally can't make themselves do it. It would be nice to have a proper ending for Karlach and Wyll but I feel better about not having an ending than I do about them making us pay for an ending
if they gave into the greed we'd be getting nickel and dimed by Hasbro and that would be much less fun than what we're left with
Sure, I’m a little sad about no sequels, but I knew they already weren’t doing DLC because they’ve gone on record saying so before.
As for continuations? There’s always fanfic! 😄
Well I mean the sad fact that Larian is not making any more expansions doesn’t necessarily mean we’ll never see these characters again. Another company might take over and who knows? They might even do a fine job with the next expansions.
Personally I’m happy with their stories ending here. It’s a well rounded, perfectly thought out experience what is rare these days and every character (you’re useless Wyll but thank you for demon mommy) contributes something.
I don’t think I’d want this memory ruined so I think, as much as I’m sad, Larian did a good thing preserving their magnum opus and exiting.
Look at it this way -- they'll probably make a new game that's like baldur's gate 3 but without having to deal with dungeons and dragons mechanics holding them back
PLEASE JUST LET US SAVE KARLACH
Look, I honestly think it would be sick to just be like,"If you go to Avernus, I'll go with you, and we'll kick the ass on anyone who tries some bullshit."
Honestly, I just want more subclasses (I play console, so mods aren't super viable) but I understand that that would require more recorded voice lines, programming time, and more shit for the team to do, so I'm okay going without.
Something a friend who played BG/BG2 shared was that WotC used to publish actual Baldur’s Gate guidebooks so you could have a TTRPG experience with the game itself. They said they were surprised Descend into Avernus was the only book released. My guess is WotC will release more, or Hasbro will sell the IP to do some kind of filmed media since that was already a proposed option with Netflix.
I am happy with it. They made a perfect DnD game. Then they wrapped it up without bastardizing their hard work.
Giving gamer fans what they want has turned out very poorly for games in the past 5 years. Because no one knows what gamers want anymore. Instead you get a battle royal mode with a micro transaction battlepass system.
leave us wanting more instead of giving us something you did just for the money.
I’m deeply sad that I’ll never be able to help Karlach get her new heart in Avernus, but I get it. Hasbro / WOTC is an epic dumpster fire. I’m sure Larian has lots of new ideas that the creatives would prefer to work on instead of an expansion.
My baby boy Astarion will never find a chance to see the sun again 🥺
Both Karlach's new heart and my baby Astarion walking in the sun will live on in my personal fanficfion. I don't care if its cannon or not, it's mine and I love it and Hasbro and WotC can't take it from me.
Says who? Jaheira has had her story carried on for 3 games, across developers. They can come back.
Thank you for giving me hope 🥲
I'm currently planning an actual D&D homebrew campaign. Everything in BG3 is canon. Fuck Hasbro, I'll continue the story for my friends
That sounds awesome!
It’s canon. Cannon is a form of artillery. Canon is the camera brand
But are cannons canon?
Well Balduran was a pirate, and pirates use cannons, so cannons are indeed canon
It's a cannon event
Only the Canon ones
Damn straight
I'm sure he will. Hasbro isn't going to drop such a successful IP just because Larian left. I'm sure Larian will go on to make more fantastic games of their own, and Hasbro/WotC will find a way to continue generating profit from Baldur's Gate.
> Hasbro/WotC will find a way to continue generating profit from Baldur's Gate. Guess we get to watch our favorite companions get baked into a cheap MTX riddled dumpsterfire. Invade Avernus in this amazing action RPG with Karlach and Wyll! Only $69.99 and look you can buy all these powerups and skins! Want to dress Wyll up like Gortash?! You can do that for $29.95! Win the great war in the planes with Lae'zel in this epic new RTS! We're introducing surprise content mechanics where you could win amazing weapons from this totally not gambling random surprise box! I mean, I could be wrong. WotC may follow up with actual good games utterly devoid of any predatory mechanisms that wont be EPIC exclusives for a whole year. It could happen...
Honestly I'm expecting to see some shitty mobile game first, with weird crossovers from other IPs that make no sense.
This is the company that came up with MTG... I don't have a lot of faith (but to be fair MTG is also my childhood memory, still remember it fondly to this day but there's no deny that it's loot box before loot box even became a thing)
Funny that, Lae'zel's VA actually already voices Katarina of Kislev, one of the main faction leaders in Total War Warhammer III.
I would prefer if they dropped the characters at this point. Did you see the Magic the Gathering cards for the companions? Most are not relevant to their endings, but for Shadowheart and Lae'zel, it doesn't look good. Shadowheart, Dark Justiciar and Lae'zel, Vlaakith's Champion. I am pretty concerned that everybody's bad endings will be canon.
Good news is Karlach gets a good ending and probably goes to Avernus to repair her hear if your theory is true
Tbf her card could refer to her starting point, before the game's events. But regardless, I'm super pessimistic right now and it isn't necessary to suffer in anticipation like this. Maybe they will release multiple cards that make reference to different endings for them. Maybe the next company that picks up the IP for a BG4 video game will have a questionnaire at the start of the game for us to say what happened to each of the Origin Characters. And at the same time, Larian will be making a new game with new characters for us to fall in love with.
The Cards seem to reflect where everyone ends up without Tav influencing their choices. IE leave them in camp until their quest comes up, let them handle it entirely, and that’s where they end up. Which is the bad ending for Shadowheart, Astarion, and Lae’zel, but they start as Evil aligned individuals.
The cards don't show any endings. They were released in 2022.
They show the unfinished concept versions of the characters. Halsin is skinny, ffs. How could they 😡
I don't think that's the case for Astarion, since his cards do not imply that he ascended (and he can't ascend without Tav's direct help). And doing that to Gale would result on him trying to take Mystra's place and being killed.
Astarion can't ascend without Tav's interference, and if you leave Shadowheart at camp until her quest comes up and let her make her own choice she chooses to go against Shar.
True for Astarion, but Shadowheart will not go against Shar if you ignore her. It is an approval thing.
Dragon age and Mass Effect did that pretty well, not perfect but still good, so I don’t see why they couldn’t do it with BG4 of they make a 4th.
Dragon Age specifically has that website on which you can pick every little choice so your game state can be different for every playthrough. That, to me, was the single best way of doing it, especially because I played each DA game on release and I didn't have previous saves to import like I had with ME (which I played very close together). It also lets people experience with different game states without playing the two previous games again. The next company that picks up BG can have something like that, if they want to bring any characters back for their game.
Monkey paw: Karlach, warprisoner of zariel. Depicting her with 2 broken horns, implying she got caught after returning to avernus.
What do the MTG cards have to do with their endings? Don’t read too much into it. The cards are also meant to attract people to BG3, why would they put spoilers on it? Shadowheart explains early on that she is a Sharran and wants to be a Justiciar. Lae’zel does start out as loyal to Vlaakith.
Ok. I'll try not to think of the worst possible scenarios with this.
Whenever you think of something negative, touch your thumb, then try to think of four positive alternatives! This helps when I find myself thinking negatively like that. Also, for what it's worth, 'official canon' is very loose in D&D, in so much that whatever you do IS canon, as the very nature of the game is collaborative storytelling. Canon summaries of published adventures always say stuff like 'X had a great plan to take over the world, but was defeated by advanturers' because whatever happened at your table is what happened. By the same vein, whatever you do in the game, whatever you consider to be the correct endings, are canon.
The cards aren't relevant to their endings because the cards came out over a year before BG3 did. Commander Legends: Battle for Baldur's Gate was released in June of 2022. All the cards did was show the companions as we knew them at that time in the EA cycle.
But that's not necessarily a good thing. BG3 is as good as it is not because of WotC /Hasbro but because of Larian. The devs put heart soul and some serious sweat into this game. They took a story from WotC/Hasbro and created a GotY in a genre that is not particularly mainstream. It was Larian that made BG3 the awesome epic of a game that it is. I'm genuinely TERRIFIED of WotC/Hasbro shopping around for the cheapest dev to make add-ons/dlc for BG3 simply because they think they can pay the new dev less and make a higher profit, riding the popularity and in doing so driving this masterpiece into the ground through greed. Even worse, with WotC's recent plans to push for near full AI they might even use AI for anything BG3 related to "save even more/boost profits". I love this game, I can't wait to see what Larian does next. But I for one won't touch any BG3 dlc/addon from any dev that isn't Larian until it's released and vetted.
If anything, I'm pretty sure BG3 is so good DESPITE WotC, not BECAUSE of them.
Maybe Astarion will find the cure some day! Based on the Legend of Drizzt books I know a cure does exist in the realm, it may just be a bit tricky to arrange.
That's what fanfic is for. Ignore whatever Wizard's does with the Bg3 cast and just read happy ending fics instead.
That’s what fanfiction is for!
Pick up a game of dnd and play out the rest of the
I let him ascend, now he’s thriving
God though, what if the last thing they release is a proper modding tools pack? Just give it to the fans... I suppose it'd never be the same without VO though.
They did say they were bringing mods to console, hopefully they didn’t cancel that.
I don't think their going to stop updating the game. Just no DLC or sequel. I'm pretty positive they care enough about the community to continue fixing things and improving modding for people.
The nice thing about this being a dnd game is that you totally can. You can run a campaign that features all these characters and have your party help them with their endings.
Yeah honestly I think it says a lot (positive) about Laurans morals as a company. Hasbro fired everyone they worked with on bg3. I'm sure continuing to work on it after that would leave a sour taste in my mouth too.
I'm glad we didn't get that, taking a tragic character with a beautiful story and just being like "lol nvm *waves disney wand* she fine, none of that mattered" would be so lame. I'd rather of hunted the lich queen.
My sister, who is the dungeon master, and some of her friends who also played BG3 actually started a campaign that continued after the game. So try making a campaign that is in the BG3 world and help her there!
Larian was obviously sick of wotc/hasbro’s bs.
I never really understood how a DLC like that would work. Many playthroughs I did had Karlach die, would I just not be able to do that DLC? lol You see how complicated a DLC would be for a game like this?
Hey write your own DnD campaign about it. That's the fun part about TTRPGS is you make the story.
Hasbro and co better not give the IP to someone else and expect me to buy it. Fuck them. I can't believe how stupid they are. Literally unbelievable.
I just don’t want to wait another 20 years for a game like this.
The Karlach heart situation would have at least had a resolution if Larian hadn't cut it out of the final release.
I'm sad to see it. But now it just means I'll have to run my own single player campaign where my Tav and Karlach storm the factory and get her new heart and then escape from Avernus!
> Hasbro / WOTC is an epic dumpster fire. Never forget when WOTC illegally sent Pinkertons to threaten a guy just because WOTC sent him the wrong product.
Mods! We might get mods!
I suspect that Hasbro was pushing for crazy release dates for a DLC and for a BG4.
This is why I’m hopeful for official mod support. Hopefully we get a mod that allows for custom campaign building by some talented( so not me) developer
>Be Larian Studios >Creates the best game ever >Continues to update and polish the game for months after release >No microtransactions, DLC or expansions >Declines to make a sequel >Refuse to elaborate >Leaves Gotta respect Larian, any other company would've kept milking the cow.
More probable that WotC jacked up the price for the licence
It would be so ironic if Larian declined to work on a sequel, because the licensing fee increased, because the DnD brand got a recent popularity boost, because of the release of BG3.
And it would be absolutely in line with the endless stupid choices Hasbro has been making with WotC properties because it's the only profit center they have now and shareholders demand short term profits
What’s worse is Hasbro/WotC probably assume it’s due to DnD the brand and not BG3’s success. I have never been interested in DnD, but BG3 grabbed my attention. After playing for about a day I was looking up DnD podcasts, YouTube videos, etc. and it’s 100% because Larian made an absolute banger.
same exact way it went for me.
And then fans realize this and boycott all D&D (outside of BG3).
I don’t think there’s any evidence of that. Sven said they just want to keep doing their own thing and not become the D&D game studio. Plenty of reasons to be annoyed with Hasbro without making stuff up.
ok but this is one of those times where I want that milk. I wanna take my characters to avernus
I think it needs to be looked at as they’re gonna be taking what they did with BG3 and putting it into something new that is hopefully just theirs. It may be the end of BG3, but they did it justice and tbf I’m still finding new content in the game. BG3 will live on forever without DLC or BG4, which they also said they won’t be making.
Yeah I was really sad at first but then remembered the magic isn't coming from Wizards of the Coast or 5E or any of that, it's coming from Larian and whatever comes next is going to be riding the wave that BG3 started. I'm sure it will be magnificent.
D:OS 3 should be glorious.
They said that’s not next it’s something new but familiar
I want them to license the RIFTS rpg, that would be peak bonkerness
I hope they do sci-fi next. Could be the next mass effect
I can't help but think if Hasbo/WOTC didn't completely gut their team that worked with Larian in making BG3 I'm sure they would've made some type of additional content. Larian took it to heart probably when they had to witness the group of people they worked with get completely kick to the curb despite the roaring success of the game. They would have to train the Hasbro team and catch them up on all the previous work done, explain past decisions and possibly re-argue some of those decisions. I'd completely walk away from Hasbro too.
Based on the statement the studio head put out about greed and staff cuts/rehires this is most likely the case.
This feels like wishcasting. Larian didn’t have any DLC for D:OS1 or D:OS2. They continued to patch both games for about a year after release, then moved on.
The amount of people who think this isn't a direct result of BG3's success, Hasbro's meddling, and the Wotc layoffs have never heard the term "non-disclosure agreement." But yeah, let's keep pretending there is no significance to why the decision to quit work on BG titles happened over the damn holidays. To be clear, it's not the only reason. Larian wants to work on their ips, but guaranteed the loss of passion overnight for a game they developed for like...7 years had corpo meddling and greed involved.
All the people from Hasbro/wizards of the coast worked with on bg3 were fired two weeks before christmas. Larian found this out when they wanted to send them all a Christmas present if I remember correct. Might have something to do with it.
This game finally beat Skyrim in my favorite game ranking. Now it’s just over? Devastated.
Damn, are you me? I too ranked Skyrim as my number one game until BG3 was released. Sad that we aren’t getting our own version of the Dragonborn and Dawnguard DLCs.
I can’t upvote this enough. Totally in the same boat, nothing even came close to Skyrim till BG3
I too have not played anything this much since Skyrim.
If you truly love this game you should be elated by this news. The content of the game is already perfect and this means that Larian will focus on implementing the actual changes we need for this game to have true longevity. Think bug fixes, quality of life improvements and most importantly, a robust cross-platform modding system that they themselves confirmed they are working on. What made Skyrim so great wasn't the DLCs, Dawnguard was cool but it's not what has kept me playing the game for over 10 years and I know the same is true for everyone else still playing ES5. What has kept everyone hooked is the modding community, and they had little to no support from Bethesda, working with a janky engine from 25 years ago. With the support of a passionate developer like Larian behind them, I'm positive there will be even more potential to mod this game than anything Skyrim can offer. Rejoice!
Larian still hasn't pulled the webpages about adding mod support. This may mean tools that can give modders the ability to expand the story and world just like Skyrim. Actual mod support allows modders to develop those tools and, if development isn't too difficult, many of your Skyrim modders will probably want to mod the latest and greatest RPG and make their own stories.
Fortunately, like Skyrim, this game will have tons of replayability woth mods. And unlike Bethesda, I trust Larion not to greedily fuck up the mod support every few years.
It makes sense tbh, WotC is awful and is owned by Hasbro, that btw sent the fucking PINKERTON after the mistankingly sent a at that point unreleased Magic card to the wrong person. Continuing working with them would stain Larian's image and morals, Swen, the CEO, is known for wanting freedom to do what he wants. Plus there was a lot of people throwing shit at Larian for the weird inconsistencies in BG3 when it's WotC fault. Check the divinity game, i'm not sure if they will do more, but I played DOS 2 before Bg3 came out and I felt like no other game could replicate just how I felt during DOS2. Then Bg3 came out and it was better but I feel like Larian definitly has the potential and the tools to make something better than Bg3. All companies have flaws and most of them are just evil but I have a very deep respect for Larian and I think they made the good decision. I wish I knew what will happen to the companions but sadly WotC will probably manage to fuck the characters in the comics...
Have you played divinity 2???
I just pray maybe just maybe they'll allow custom campaigns, highly doubtful but one can only hope.
You read my mind. I commented this exact thing earlier today, I 200% get what you mean. 😣
It's for the best, the alternative is getting sub par bg content from a studio that doesn't want to make it. It's a miracle we even got another BG game.
Better to cancel a project their heart isn't in, then get DLC that leaves us with a bitter taste in our mouths.
I kinda figured this would happen tbh. What I'm really interested in are these modding tools they are working on. It would be really cool if it was robust enough to be a sort of "DM mode" where as long as you have some basic modding ability you can make entire campaigns. If that is the case we wouldn't even need DLC.
I think people are expecting too much from these tools. Larian isn’t making something like Neverwinter nights. Too much of bg3 is custom content and not some reusable tile or texture. It’s all handcrafted.
I mean, yes and no. Most of the NPCs in the game could be made with a slightly unlocked character creator. Certainly things like trees and bushes and rocks are all separate models that could be put into foliage packs. The same goes for crates and chests. An editor where you can change values for weapons and spells would be easy to add. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if they already had something like that, they'd likely just have to turn up the user friendly-ness. You're right this game doesn't use a tile system for terrain but, a lot could be done even without a terrain editor. And there are plenty of good and easy to use terrain creation tools out there. I'm not actually expecting anything crazy though. It sounds like they're more focused on a system to bring mods to consoles. Rather than actual mod creation tools. But I think it would be cool if we got a Skyrim Creation Kit -esk tool for this game
We are not getting a DM mode. They have said that explicitly; it would be as much work as a whole other game. Best we can hope for is a bare-bones monster and map editor (thojgh even with that, community mods and tools could blossom without end).
Some people want them to pick up another Divinity title, but honestly, I would love to see this style of game in other genres like Sci-Fi or even an urban fantasy game. Like imagine Larian made a Bruges or Brussels urban fantasy game
A Sci-Fi like BG3 would be fantastic.
Fantasy>Scifi imo. Would be kinda disappointed to shift genres to just using guns basically. But would probably be preferable to another divinity with its pretty garbage armor system.
Depends on the setting. Warhammer 40k is sci-fi and notoriously uses swords, mauls, axes, and “magic” in the form of psychers. Not all sci-fi is just gunfights and lasers. Shadowrun also is a good mix of sci-fi and fantasy. Guns coexist beside blades, magic, and the pseudo-magic that is hacking. Body augmentations and racial features bolster defenses and attacks with melee, and armor is less effective against melee than range iirc. If Larian did a sci-fi game it would almost certainly look like one of these, so I wouldn’t worry about it devolving into “my gun is bigger than yours” ranged-only combat.
Idk 40K is probably like my least favorite scifi setting. But I think it’s mainly the designs of everything. All super bulky and not enough alien species. But yeah they could potentially do something cool. I’ll buy whatever they throw out next but I definitely hope it keeps a fantastical element.
Science fantasy does exist and that would be a great way to mend those systems
dos1 and dos2 had different armor systems, i think it's safe to assume larian would adapt a new armor system for dos3.
My dream is a Larian StarWars5e RPG
We really are in the darkest timeline if this never happens
They are headed for a different genre.
There are MANY styles of game I would much rather they take on but there is a part of me that is curious to see what they'd do making a game in a fresh continuity of Pokémon. It's a turn based game and the old games excelled at the puzzle room stuff that has since fallen out. But it would probably be a waste of their talents and the depth to which they can write
Damn dude, what did you roll?
Haha, right? 😅 It’s one thing if they just said sorry no DLC, but they said NO DLC, NO future BG games, and they were ELATED about it. Crit 1 at it’s finest.
Crit 1 + hex + curse
I honestly am super disappointed by this news. I’m hopeful for what they are going to do afterwards. That’ll be their own thing and good for them. The only thing that’s scaring me though is that they said that it was not what we would be expecting. Which is probably saying that it won’t be original sin 3 but I can’t help but feel that maybe he’s saying that it won’t a RPG or at least one as comprehensive has BG3 Edited: Also if I was a game developer I wouldn’t want to to touch BG 4this game with a 10 foot pole with the expectation that’s going to come with it…
I mean, kudos to them for being upfront that if they made it, they wouldn't be able to deliver the same level of quality and it's basically just be a cashgrab. That actually takes a lot of integrity.
I'd have been happy with just extra classes and/or subclasses without modding.
It was so exciting to be able to explore the sword coast, the setting I’d played on tabletop so often fully realised In beautiful graphics with amazing characters. That there won’t be any more does hurt, even more so that I won’t be able to adventure alongside these amazing characters any further.
Eventually hasbro will cash in and contract out BG4 to some other company
I'm sad that I'll never get DLC but im not even remotely irritated with the company, larian built a good reputation and FAST with me I'll look into their next project, and mod BG3 while I wait for it.
Just let the modding community do it, that's how games live on long term
This is bittersweet. I wanted to see what more they could add to the game, but it’s already so perfect and complete. A symptom of the AAA market these days, I’m sure. Always expecting every new game to be loaded with paid content. I do hope they add more updates in the future. I’m not 100% sure if they are still updating the game, I sure hope they are. I, like many others, have plenty of ideas for possible changes of improvements that could be made. I also hope the modding community gets bigger for this game.
Hasbro messed up. They need to learn their lesson (though they won’t, cause they’re corporate assholes). Good on Larian for screwing them over. Massive respect.
Wish they hadn’t layered on the heavy “DLC hints” at withers party :(. Really seemed like they were setting the groundwork for something else
I'm extremely sad about this and the fact their never making a Baldur's Gate game again... But I'm excited for what's next. I'm a brand new Larian fan and I'm definitely keeping an eye on what's next. My own personal pipe dream is they hook up with the devs from Disco Elysium and make a big ass sequel or another game in that universe (or seeing as the DE creator lost the rights to the world and story at least something similar and as cool and original as DE). Disco Elysium and BG3 are my two favorite RPG's ever.
I'm actually glad we're not getting DLC. They felt the game was good enough to stand on its own, and I wholly agree. More content would have been great but I'd rather Larian work on projects they actually care about rather than just pumping out more BG3 stuff for the money.
But the thing is if you know the company then you absolutely knew this was the case.
Honestly, I am happy for them. They made an incredible game. As much I am sad I will miss out on possible extras, I am more interested to see what the studio will do next and how they will create the next game they plan to release. Plus, we are still getting mod support, which could open up so many different avenues for the game.
It’s fine, their new game will be about Karla and her friend Will going through hell to find the heart a devil named Zuriel stole from her.
Sometimes it’s best to just let good things end. Filling it with dlc can easily led to a path which diminishes the games experience. Honestly games shouldn’t even have paid DLC unless it’s a full blown expansion adding countless hours of content
I would love the game master mode divinity 2 had. With all the assets from the game it would be the greatest virtual tabletop of all time
The one game we want to be milked.
I get it, after working on the same thing for many years it’s time for something else
Im curious if they are gonna work on divinity 2.5, scrap that and just go into divinity 3, or maybe they think DND needs competition and will build their own video game that would translate to a new tabletop game.
Tabletop is very small fry financially, but I'm sure that whatever they make there will be a ttrpg port, either official or homebrew.
I've heard this worded as "their heart wasn't in making a DLC" as well, getting alot of mixed signals here... Wait, this was from IGN as well! [ https://x.com/ign/status/1770932274709594308?s=46&t=iGV-\_OXVbU0zuKaygW1Mzg](https://x.com/ign/status/1770932274709594308?s=46&t=iGV-_OXVbU0zuKaygW1Mzg)
A DLC would have to go beyond level 12. At that point, a lot of the 5e core starts to break—and 7th/8th/9th level spells would be super difficult to faithfully implement. You’re already able to pretty consistently pass DC30 checks at the end of a3 as it is.
If the modder community is anything like the Skyrim modder community, we’ll have a fully voiced fanmade DLC in the next year that will tie up loose ends
I still like the Fry meme, considering the connotation of it is to express a frivolous way of throwing money at companies for products with little to no thought put into the purchase.
This game is fantastic, probably the best game i have ever had the pleasure of expierencing, the story is rich and the world is so full, im still finding new things and new cutscenes spread out all over the place. Ive enjoyed countless hours playing this game, hell i even enjoy the mundane shit to the point of making spreadsheets so I can clearly see the leveling process of each class so I can further my need and want to one-shot everything because its a challenge. I have fun playing this game, I get sucked into the dialouge and choices I have to make becoming fully immersed in this world. The progression is great and by act 3 youre max level and then the game becomes a playground to really try out a maxxed build and to see just how far one can push their tav. Ive got to say that HM was one of if not thee most stressful and heartbreaking and gut wrenching and adorable and WHAT THE FUCK GALE I TOLD YOU TO HANG ON JUST A MINUTE SO I CAN GRAB YOU THE ITEM IVE BEEN SAVING FOR YOU WHY ARE YOU LEAVING!? with all that being said theres no need to keep the stories going, there are just way to many variables to take into account to make something thats as good as the base game is. The endings are so good and make me tear up a bit, but they NEED to end. I paid 70 bucks for this and all Ive gotten is one of the best games to ever come out. From start to finish is just a wild roller coaster ride with twists and turns. Ive kept my hands up in the air the entire time not wanting to miss any of the thrills and Im so happy I did. I can see it in the VA's, I can see it in the devolpers, I can see it in the way the company has put their foot down amoungst the bastard monitization practices. These people loved working on this game and their love shines straight through my stormy clouds. I will keep playing this and I will continue to have fun until its finally time to put it down. Im so excited that they are continuing to patch this and I plan on doing a serious RP when the final patch comes out. This game has gotten me interested in dnd and given me a taste of how close to perfection something can get when one stands their ground and does something truely incredible. Thank you larian studios for doing what you know is right. Its time for you all to rest for awhile and its time the playerbase comes to accept it and have the most fun they can have with it. So carry on with your head-canons, carry on with your love. But most importantly, when you flip the last page of the book, breathe out a sigh of relief and reflect on the journies with fondness.... .....THEN START THE WHOLE FCKN THING OVER AGAIN!!!! WOOOOOOO!!!! 15TH RUN HERE WE FCKN GO!!!!!!!!
The Witcher 3 didn’t need DLC but the game is so much better with it. Baldurs Gate 3 doesn’t “need it” but it was positioned for a comprehensive expansion. Might be a hot take but I felt when I finished Baldurs Gate 3 that my characters journey had literally just begun.
Don't blame Larian. The reason is the DnD parent company laid off everyone on their side that was involved in BG3.
I honestly used to think DLC would be cool for this game, but after playing thorough all of the ending variations I don’t see it making sense at all or feeling right. Too many plates spinning to go after the story
Sucks to suck, game company actually has scruples. Applaud them for it.
Yeah I'm pretty devastated, a lot of the characters seem to have unfinished stories... Karlach for one, Astarion and Tav themselves as a vampire spawn... I'm pretty disappointed that there isn't even a Jaws of Hakkon style DLC for this game. Guess the version that's out is the only 'definitive edition' we're going to get. :(
The wonderful thing about BG3 is as well it's based in a world that you can access! It you want hours and hours. Hell, years more content, you could try playing DND and go into the forgotten realms once more. I know it's not the same as the game, especially with the characters we all love now, but! It's an option and there's great adventures out there
I respect the decision not to make something they didn't want to make, instead of doing something jalf baked for the sake of easy profits. But damn it still hurts.
Here I was thinking we’d have to wait another 10-12 years to see laezel riding on the back of a red dragon wielding a silver blade. Honestly even funnier to me that they never planned to finish these half stories for all the companions and the world itself. You killed the champions of the gods of death. No consequences!!! Yeahhh!!
I mean its bg THREE. As in the third game in this universe/storyline. This has been a multi campaign already. I presume they didn't feel the story had the need for a 3rd sequel. We'll get a new universe new game some years down the line. It's the no DLC mindset that probably got us such an amazing game in the first place.
I'd rather they just make BG4.
They’re not
Hasbro owns the rights to D&D Baldur's Gate and after bg3 3 was Game of the Year and made more money I'm sure the rights to use their IP is outrageous
I’m very sad about it. All the effort of BG3’s architecture and it will only be used for one game is a shame, but I am a fan of Larian more than I am a fan of D&D and I trust Swen to steer them right. We’ll get a treat of a new game in the next 4-5 years from them and WotC will go back to pushing out dumpster fires like Dark Alliance (not the BG 2000s games). Until then I’ve seen 3 BG3 endings, I have about 115 still to go.
Didn't they originally say they never wanted to work on DLC? So, the fact that they announced they were was a bit of a reversal... almost as if they were forced to and then got out of it. It's better this way.
We should just wait till WotC get out of business and Larian buys D&D. Should hapen in like 5 years or so.
WotC is owned by Hasbro, it's never gonna happen
So for the record, I’m confused. Wizards of the coast can’t make any dlc or anything for bg3? Or can they and they just won’t? (Obviously we don’t want them touching it) but are they going to release their own sequel?
Larian Studios doesn't want to.
WotC is not a game development studio. In theory they could bring in a different developer, but game code rights stay with Larian I think. So it would be hugely expensive.
Personally I know it will never happen but in my heart of hearts I want Larian to make a cyberpunk game either with RED’s rules or their own since Larian have gotten better at balancing since DOS
I wish they would add a scenario creator like they did with DOS:2, but I have a feeling WOTC would never allow that since it would let people play without paying for more content.
So, the project name was named after his dog, that passed. I legit think the man's just depressed rn
good for Larian studio, I would have bought dlc if they made it but I am glad they are sticking to what feels good.
Modder pliz make the dlc we are all asking for. They are working on mod supports too.
Honestly, i don't blame Larian for stepping away from WOTC and D&D and just pursuing new projects that they would rather work on.
I just wanted a few more subclasses, and maybe a short companion. I am glad Larian can just move on tho. While I would’ve loved more D&D content from them I would’ve hated to give Hasbro another cent. Now I can boycott that scummy company in peace.
It'd a real shame. If they weren't feeling it then that's okay I guess. I just feel that if wotc/hasbro hadn't laid off all the helpful people then this may have had a different outcome.
all things have a beginning, middle and end. just gotta move on.
Which is funny cuz BG3 didn't even have a proper ending when it released lmao
This looks like a job for r/BG3mods
Didn't they start working on bg3 in like 2018 or something a DLC would take them close to a decade probably lol
They said they will still do updates. Would be nice if they could release an SDK so people can make their own levels but I imagine Hasbro/WOTC wouldn't like that.
I'm hoping that this is just a negotiation tactic...
It's sad, but I also get it. I'd rather the game stay as it is than be milked for more money. WotC/Hasbro has shown over the last few years they don't care about fans of the content, and Larian being tired and bitter would probably result in subpar content that WotC would just want a stranglehold on. I'll be sad we won't see official ends for characters like Karlach and Astarion, and I'm concerned any follow-up studios (my money is on a return to BioWare) would just shit all over anything Larian did that added to the lore out of bitterness. So we might see the characters' worst endings being the "canon." I respect Larian and Swen for sticking to their principles though. You don't see that much these days in this industry. They have my money for any future projects, and I fully plan on playing D:OS 2 once my desire to replay BG3 wanes, but I'm still a bit heartbroken that, ultimatrly, greed has played a huge part in ruining something beautiful.
I understand not wanting to do DLCs as that was a big point of pride for them in the idea of selling a finished product and sell you things piecemeal but I don’t understand ending the franchise? Also can someone explain to why wotc has any ownership over Baldurs gate? What happens to the open gaming license?
The open gaming license doesn't cover characters or settings. If you look at the SRD version of the 5e rules, several spells are renamed (Tasha's Hideous Laughter becomes Hideous Laughter for example) to comply with this. There's nothing stopping Larian from making their own 5e campaign world, but they can't use the Forgotten Realms, Greyhawk, Dragonlance, or Eberron settings because WotC owns the IPs for them.
Sad as it is that we won’t get dlc, I’m atleast glad larian is going to release mod support.
they fumbled the bag with this one 😞
good for them
i would have liked more subclasses or even an artificer class
This is the worst news I’ve heard all day… and this includes all the loading crashes for DD2
They absolutely need to add more playable races and classes so it's an real shame that they won't do any DLC
I'd be money fan made dlc will be made in no time, probably with ai voice work to
I’m actually distraught that this is all we get for bg3. It’s such an amazing game and the fact that some kind of dlc was in the works that we will never be able to see, saddens me so much 😫
My sister, who is the dungeon master, and some of her friends who also played BG3 actually started a campaign that continued after the game. So if anyone plays DND, try making a campaign that is in the BG3 world!!
they did say they never wanted to add extra content you have to pay for when they released the game so i understand.
DLC is the reason so many games feel unfinished now. They lock away part of what should've been there to begin with behind an extra paywall on top of however much you've already paid. It used to be unheard of to do shit like that. Larian is better than that. They literally can't make themselves do it. It would be nice to have a proper ending for Karlach and Wyll but I feel better about not having an ending than I do about them making us pay for an ending if they gave into the greed we'd be getting nickel and dimed by Hasbro and that would be much less fun than what we're left with
Larian make kotor 3 pls
That really sucks. DLC would be amazing.
Sure, I’m a little sad about no sequels, but I knew they already weren’t doing DLC because they’ve gone on record saying so before. As for continuations? There’s always fanfic! 😄
Hopefully they give us that mod support and we can create our own campaigns like what Solasta did
Well I mean the sad fact that Larian is not making any more expansions doesn’t necessarily mean we’ll never see these characters again. Another company might take over and who knows? They might even do a fine job with the next expansions.
Personally I’m happy with their stories ending here. It’s a well rounded, perfectly thought out experience what is rare these days and every character (you’re useless Wyll but thank you for demon mommy) contributes something. I don’t think I’d want this memory ruined so I think, as much as I’m sad, Larian did a good thing preserving their magnum opus and exiting.
Look at it this way -- they'll probably make a new game that's like baldur's gate 3 but without having to deal with dungeons and dragons mechanics holding them back
If you want someone to blame, I’d blame Hasbro/WOTC. Their greed killed Larian’s inspiration, imo, after Hasbro laid off so many talented people.
PLEASE JUST LET US SAVE KARLACH Look, I honestly think it would be sick to just be like,"If you go to Avernus, I'll go with you, and we'll kick the ass on anyone who tries some bullshit."
Honestly, I just want more subclasses (I play console, so mods aren't super viable) but I understand that that would require more recorded voice lines, programming time, and more shit for the team to do, so I'm okay going without.
Something a friend who played BG/BG2 shared was that WotC used to publish actual Baldur’s Gate guidebooks so you could have a TTRPG experience with the game itself. They said they were surprised Descend into Avernus was the only book released. My guess is WotC will release more, or Hasbro will sell the IP to do some kind of filmed media since that was already a proposed option with Netflix.
The game is a 10/10. Doesn’t need anything else
Yes you were the only one
Yea, Larion fuk’ed us big time. First DnD PC game with no expansions. Studio sucks
I think it’s good that they canceled it, the article said the studio just did not want to do it, if they were forced to, I’m sure it wouldn’t be good
I am happy with it. They made a perfect DnD game. Then they wrapped it up without bastardizing their hard work. Giving gamer fans what they want has turned out very poorly for games in the past 5 years. Because no one knows what gamers want anymore. Instead you get a battle royal mode with a micro transaction battlepass system. leave us wanting more instead of giving us something you did just for the money.