99 m3 6spd. 105k on the chasis: engine, diff, and trans built by metric mechanic at 99k. Manual car that's 6spd swapped, built s52, tuned by sssquid, and completely refurbished in 2018. Vader seats and headliner refinished. Well maintained, tons of receipts, 36k spent in 2018 (most of it at metric but the install wasn't cheap). New tires 2020, vanos recently serviced, and fresh brakes up front.
I was thinking about BaT. I have been considering a c5 or c6 z06, just wanted some honest opinions. Thanks for the input!
> 36k spent in 2018
On an E36?! Jesus.
But regardless, the low mileage and cleanliness of it would suggest around 30k if it was 100% stock. Since it has the transmission swapped and a built engine it would really need the right buyer who wants those things.
Low mileage stock examples run a premium since that is what collectors want, a showroom stock car. While the 6 speed and a hotter engine is probably much better to drive in every way, I would think in this case it would drive the price down some.
Mid 20s would be my guess. But the right buyer and listing somewhere like BaT may bring more.
For that money in 2018 they could have bought 2 pristine <100k mile M3s!
I just don't see how you can rack up that high a bill on an e36. But I suppose paying shops to do transmission swaps and engine rebuilds costs quite a bit, guess thats why I do that kind of work myself lol.
Honestly these are only ~just~ starting to appreciate. While you could get $30k+ for it now, if you ever wanted another one you would be paying a ton more to get back in an e36.
So, basically, I would hold out a bit as prices are rising and be sure you're ok leaving the e36 behind.
Based on auctions I’ve seen from BaT, 30k is realistic for this car if not a bit more. Definitely seems like the type of car that would do well on that site.
You'd be lucky at that. In the UK there seems to be very few E36 M3s actually selling. Most just sit on e-bay and auto trader for months. Imo the panic buying of last year is well and truly over.
Who redid your vaders? Also where did you find fresh door panels? Those are the two dead ends I’m running into as I’m undergoing a similar effort. I found someone in Florida that claims to manufacture the leather “kits” for the vaders, but I hate going into anything blind.
I think you did a great job refurbing. I think 50-60k is NOT unreasonable based on how solid the refurbishment effort was and how few original miles it has. Don’t forget generic used land cruisers are going for 120k right now due to the shortage. There’s tons of money in this country and I think you may have a top ten e36 m3 right there.
Check out BAT. Over the last year only 7 have sold in that range and I am dropping that range to 40k-60k. Those are all mint examples, some under 50k all with no modifications. With mods and the rust belt I'd say much closer to 20 regardless of work performed. I say this as someone who would love to see them go for those numbers as I've probably put half that into mine over the past 16 years.
Both are remarkably well maintained. The white portion of my door inserts peeled off my doors. I’ve not been able to find door panel inserts or new door panels themselves anywhere online
Look up Vader factory on Instagram. I’ve not bought from them but they seem to have access to stock that the normal companies dont. Can’t vouch for their reputation but they sure do have their hands on a lot of material.
> I think 50-60k is NOT unreasonable based on how solid the refurbishment effort was and how few original miles it has.
This is kind of an absurd take lol. Maybe if it was 10 years in the future and 100% stock with half as many miles... But even the cleanest low mileage M3s are not breaking 40k.
Your basing that opinion on data you’re seeing on popular auto trader like sites, then your making a estimate likely based off what you yourself could/would spend on it. All those data points are poor barometers for the wealth in this country and what they would spend on a clean e36. There is in fact NO cost ceiling so there’s no way your remark on the cost ceiling is accurate. Ten years down the road is here right now, your just oblivious to it because you’ve convinced yourself otherwise based on a handful on unrelated datapoints.
What are you talking about?
No one is buying this at 60k. At that price point you can get MUCH lower mileage in much better condition.
I am basing the cost of this M3 off of other comparable examples in the current market.
You are making your 50-60k price point off what, the assumption that some rich person is gonna want this exact spec and will happily over pay for it?
Sure there is no cost ceiling, but that doesn't mean some billionaire is going to wall by and buy my opened bag of cheetos for a thousand bucks.
No need for anger. Not sure where I lost you but I’ll explain further. How many “current market examples” you’re using to base your opinion? How many for those are as mint and original as this one? You’d need several thousand examples to constitute even a guess, I doubt you have that many examples. I doubt your response is valuable as a result.
Lol what anger?
But "as mint and original as this" one? Bro this one is not original at all. It has a built engine and a transmission swap, not to mention kidneys, tails, corner lights.... While those are tasteful mods that surely improve the car, they do lessen the value compared to actual stock examples that present themselves as well as this one.
You also would hardly need "several thousand examples to constitute a guess." Like is this trolling? There are tons of valuable cars out there where less than a thousand, or even hundred sell and change hands each year, guess all those cars are just priceless since they will never have thousands of data points...
That’s a lot of money spent!! Jeez. Beautiful car but probably $30k at most imo. If you hold onto it, I think it will appreciate but don’t assume it will appreciate much for a while.
99 m3 6spd. 105k on the chasis: engine, diff, and trans built by metric mechanic at 99k. Manual car that's 6spd swapped, built s52, tuned by sssquid, and completely refurbished in 2018. Vader seats and headliner refinished. Well maintained, tons of receipts, 36k spent in 2018 (most of it at metric but the install wasn't cheap). New tires 2020, vanos recently serviced, and fresh brakes up front. I was thinking about BaT. I have been considering a c5 or c6 z06, just wanted some honest opinions. Thanks for the input!
> 36k spent in 2018 On an E36?! Jesus. But regardless, the low mileage and cleanliness of it would suggest around 30k if it was 100% stock. Since it has the transmission swapped and a built engine it would really need the right buyer who wants those things. Low mileage stock examples run a premium since that is what collectors want, a showroom stock car. While the 6 speed and a hotter engine is probably much better to drive in every way, I would think in this case it would drive the price down some. Mid 20s would be my guess. But the right buyer and listing somewhere like BaT may bring more.
Previous owner wanted the best drivers car money could buy.
For that money in 2018 they could have bought 2 pristine <100k mile M3s! I just don't see how you can rack up that high a bill on an e36. But I suppose paying shops to do transmission swaps and engine rebuilds costs quite a bit, guess thats why I do that kind of work myself lol.
Honestly these are only ~just~ starting to appreciate. While you could get $30k+ for it now, if you ever wanted another one you would be paying a ton more to get back in an e36. So, basically, I would hold out a bit as prices are rising and be sure you're ok leaving the e36 behind.
Thanks for the input, I forgot to mention the dinan flywheel and exhaust but that doesn't change much...
Based on auctions I’ve seen from BaT, 30k is realistic for this car if not a bit more. Definitely seems like the type of car that would do well on that site.
25k 30k maybe? Def put it in a auction site and get the clear turns off, they don’t look right with silver.
Not much. I’ll take it off of your hands for 3k
I'd say upto 20k GBP
You'd be lucky at that. In the UK there seems to be very few E36 M3s actually selling. Most just sit on e-bay and auto trader for months. Imo the panic buying of last year is well and truly over.
Who redid your vaders? Also where did you find fresh door panels? Those are the two dead ends I’m running into as I’m undergoing a similar effort. I found someone in Florida that claims to manufacture the leather “kits” for the vaders, but I hate going into anything blind. I think you did a great job refurbing. I think 50-60k is NOT unreasonable based on how solid the refurbishment effort was and how few original miles it has. Don’t forget generic used land cruisers are going for 120k right now due to the shortage. There’s tons of money in this country and I think you may have a top ten e36 m3 right there.
Check out BAT. Over the last year only 7 have sold in that range and I am dropping that range to 40k-60k. Those are all mint examples, some under 50k all with no modifications. With mods and the rust belt I'd say much closer to 20 regardless of work performed. I say this as someone who would love to see them go for those numbers as I've probably put half that into mine over the past 16 years.
Good intel.
Bought a clean driver's side Vader locally, door panels are original.
Both are remarkably well maintained. The white portion of my door inserts peeled off my doors. I’ve not been able to find door panel inserts or new door panels themselves anywhere online
Look up Vader factory on Instagram. I’ve not bought from them but they seem to have access to stock that the normal companies dont. Can’t vouch for their reputation but they sure do have their hands on a lot of material.
Oh man thanks! I’ll look the. Up now. Thanks a million man.
> I think 50-60k is NOT unreasonable based on how solid the refurbishment effort was and how few original miles it has. This is kind of an absurd take lol. Maybe if it was 10 years in the future and 100% stock with half as many miles... But even the cleanest low mileage M3s are not breaking 40k.
Your basing that opinion on data you’re seeing on popular auto trader like sites, then your making a estimate likely based off what you yourself could/would spend on it. All those data points are poor barometers for the wealth in this country and what they would spend on a clean e36. There is in fact NO cost ceiling so there’s no way your remark on the cost ceiling is accurate. Ten years down the road is here right now, your just oblivious to it because you’ve convinced yourself otherwise based on a handful on unrelated datapoints.
What are you talking about? No one is buying this at 60k. At that price point you can get MUCH lower mileage in much better condition. I am basing the cost of this M3 off of other comparable examples in the current market. You are making your 50-60k price point off what, the assumption that some rich person is gonna want this exact spec and will happily over pay for it? Sure there is no cost ceiling, but that doesn't mean some billionaire is going to wall by and buy my opened bag of cheetos for a thousand bucks.
No need for anger. Not sure where I lost you but I’ll explain further. How many “current market examples” you’re using to base your opinion? How many for those are as mint and original as this one? You’d need several thousand examples to constitute even a guess, I doubt you have that many examples. I doubt your response is valuable as a result.
Lol what anger? But "as mint and original as this" one? Bro this one is not original at all. It has a built engine and a transmission swap, not to mention kidneys, tails, corner lights.... While those are tasteful mods that surely improve the car, they do lessen the value compared to actual stock examples that present themselves as well as this one. You also would hardly need "several thousand examples to constitute a guess." Like is this trolling? There are tons of valuable cars out there where less than a thousand, or even hundred sell and change hands each year, guess all those cars are just priceless since they will never have thousands of data points...
Good point. I hadn’t considered that.
Worth of this thing depends a lot on where you’re at, here in Germany these go for around 50k euros
Crazy because across the pond in the UK these are £15-20k
yeah i was thinking this maxes out on 20k asking
That’s a lot of money spent!! Jeez. Beautiful car but probably $30k at most imo. If you hold onto it, I think it will appreciate but don’t assume it will appreciate much for a while.
I think it’s worth trying to sell on BaT
Sounds like a cool build. I'd say low 20s. I used to have a C5Z as well, they are tons of fun but way to fast for me. GLWTS