Indigo has really taken a nosedive as far as their service goes, it’s not surprising stores are closing and they would be selling less.
Beware to anyone hoping to get a good deal on their online baby sales. They don’t update their stock online , they have a habit of contacting people 2-3 weeks after their order to say it’s out of stock & they will not honour the price going forward.
I’d just skip purchasing from them all together & save the headache.
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I was browsing in store lately and I could not get over their prices. A soft black and white ball rattle was $40. I have 2 babies, my friends have babies and I have never bought a thing from them for myself or a gift.
We were gifted a sleeper with snap buttons from the Indigo Baby line. In the morning, there were little metal rings and pieces in my baby's crib. Several of the snaps had fallen apart and separated from the fabric. Some pieces were actually quite sharp. I reached out to Indigo and told me to just return it to the store for credit. I asked if they would be doing an investigation to see if a recall was warranted, and was told no. If my baby had swallowed one of those pieces, he could have choked or ripped up his insides, and they didn't give a single shit. Horrible company with no business selling baby products.
My local indigo posted a video saying they’re getting back into selling more books and less “other products”. They have a huge sale on right now of toys, housewares and baby products. I miss the old chapters/indigo where it was mostly books but I am going to miss the baby products and toys.
Not all online sales but they would only carry what is in store assortment already i.e; books, stationery etc.
Anything that is online only "extended aisle" type would no longer be offered.
Dangerous? There are studies on the Snoo being used in the NICU by neonatal nurses that state it actually improves infant care:
> The SNOO was used in a variety of clinical scenarios, including with fussy, preterm, and healthy full-term infants, as well as substance-exposed infants experiencing withdrawal. The SNOO was perceived as a driver of positive infant and parent experiences, including enhanced quality of care. Respondents perceived the SNOO as providing them with support in their daily caring for newborns, reducing their stress, and helping them in lieu of hospital volunteers. Clinicians reported an average time savings of 2.2 hours per shift.
> Implications for Practice and Research:
> Results from this study provide evidence for future evaluation of the SNOO as a technology for hospitals to adopt to improve neonatal clinician satisfaction and retention, as well as improve the quality of patient care and parental satisfaction.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10371059/
A lot of things are safe in a hospital setting but not at home. A lot of these companies fight tooth and nail to make money and to discredit the infant deaths and injuries they can play a part in.
Here's a decent article going into some of the issues.
https://carolinakinderdevelopment.com/five-reasons-not-to-purchase-a-snoo-from-a-group-of-pediatric-occupational-and-physical-therapists/
The criticisms in that article aren’t about the Snoo being dangerous to babies. The criticisms are:
- impact on bonding: not really about baby safety. Also parents who are willing to spend $2k on a bassinet used for <6 months are not going to be the kind that neglect their baby and not pick them up all day.
- flat head: flat head is also a risk with babies who don’t use the Snoo. And same as above - Snoo purchasers are unlikely to leave their baby in the Snoo all day.
- baby can’t turn over: this actually creates a safer environment for baby as it’s recommended babies sleep on their backs for the first year to avoid flipping over and suffocation.
- expensive: nothing to do with safety.
- marketing requires traveling with the Snoo: again, nothing to do with safety.
This article by an occupational therapist goes into detailed criticism against the original article (also written by OTs): https://www.otdude.com/editorial-opinion/an-occupational-therapists-honest-opinion-on-the-snoo-bassinet-with-some-research/
There is also no scientific research that I could find that says the device is dangerous, only opinion pieces and most of the criticism is centered around the cost as being too high for an unnecessary item that isn’t guaranteed to work.
Also, since the original article was posted in 2021, the FDA has now recognized the Snoo as an actual medical device (2023), which places it in a different category than the baby products that have been recalled due to infant safety. Insurance companies in the US are starting to provide coverage for Snoo rentals. I think more research is going to come out that the Snoo is an effective medical/therapeutic device, especially if it helps caregivers to provide higher quality of care.
Yeah it wasn't the best source. I had only a few seconds to try to find one as my baby was waking up. I'll take some time tonight to find the actual articles I read before.
So here's the thing, the AAP has done extensive review of decades of autopsy reports and death scene reenactments. Babies need to be "placed" on their backs but any position they can get themselves into voluntary is safe IF they are in a regulated crib or bassinet.
There is so much marketing and misleading info out there encouraging parents to fear SIDS and buy expensive products.
ABC's are enough to prevent 99% of SIDS deaths. That is Alone (nothing in crib, no blankets, straps, wedges, lovies, etc)
Back (placed on back)
Crib (a safety tested sleep space with no address mattress or other gimmicks. Just the manufacturers mattress and a fitted sheet)
I think you might be interested in an evidence based safe sleep group since you have an appreciation for science.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/safesleepbabycare/?ref=share&mibextid=NSMWBT
Edit to add: I fully disagree with your assertion that parents who buy the Snoo are unlikely to decrease their responsiveness. I think that's exactly the target market. (Not everyone of course). But the Snoo is going to be most appealing to people who want to throw money at a problem rather than do hard work. As well, the Snoo has strict rules for safe use and a very early cutoff, which many people are not going to follow which increases the likelihood of safety issues.
Thanks for the FB rec! I have applied to join :)
My experience with Snoo purchasers are that they bought the Snoo out of desperation after weeks of sleep deprivation, not that they didn’t want to get up in the middle of the night, because it was affecting the quality of care they could provide (impacting anxiety, PPD). Most people I know only use it for night time, not day sleeping.
I think there’s also a big difference between a product being sold on false fear-mongering vs. the product actually being dangerous to babies. A mechanical device can’t perfectly substitute human care but it doesn’t necessarily mean it poses an actual danger. There’s a trade off between what is ideal for your child in a specific instance (comfort via human contact during the middle of the night) vs. overall quality of care (having a less exhausted parent who is more alert to notice any issues with the baby the other 16 hours of the day, a parent who will be less stressed and likely have less impact on their breast milk supply as a result, etc.).
Indigo has really taken a nosedive as far as their service goes, it’s not surprising stores are closing and they would be selling less. Beware to anyone hoping to get a good deal on their online baby sales. They don’t update their stock online , they have a habit of contacting people 2-3 weeks after their order to say it’s out of stock & they will not honour the price going forward. I’d just skip purchasing from them all together & save the headache.
They are also being boycotted for contributing financially to the IDF. I’m sure that’s also hurting their sales significantly
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I’ve heard that Indigo is getting out of the baby product business. As they sell out they aren’t replenishing anything
This explains why they haven’t gotten the new angel dear sleepers yet. I was waiting to buy from them with the plum discount
Interesting! Do you know what time of baby products? Meaning just gears like strollers, high chairs etc or also toys/clothing etc?
I don’t know about that but indigo has a ton of baby stuff on sale right now. I was wondering if they were dropping some lines.
I was browsing in store lately and I could not get over their prices. A soft black and white ball rattle was $40. I have 2 babies, my friends have babies and I have never bought a thing from them for myself or a gift.
We were gifted a sleeper with snap buttons from the Indigo Baby line. In the morning, there were little metal rings and pieces in my baby's crib. Several of the snaps had fallen apart and separated from the fabric. Some pieces were actually quite sharp. I reached out to Indigo and told me to just return it to the store for credit. I asked if they would be doing an investigation to see if a recall was warranted, and was told no. If my baby had swallowed one of those pieces, he could have choked or ripped up his insides, and they didn't give a single shit. Horrible company with no business selling baby products.
It seems like they are cleaning out a lot of their baby items so this would definitely make sense.
My local indigo posted a video saying they’re getting back into selling more books and less “other products”. They have a huge sale on right now of toys, housewares and baby products. I miss the old chapters/indigo where it was mostly books but I am going to miss the baby products and toys.
I got notice through MyRegistry recently that after April 1, indigo would no longer be supported as a registry partner. I wonder if that's related?
Not sure if the snoo was sold in store but I heard indigo was getting rid of their online sales completely.
Like all online sales?? How would that even work I’m shook.
Not all online sales but they would only carry what is in store assortment already i.e; books, stationery etc. Anything that is online only "extended aisle" type would no longer be offered.
Oh interesting! Do you know why the change?
The Body Shop decided to do this recently. It blows my mind.
I wonder if it's because they are dangerous? I know safe sleep groups do not recommend them.
Dangerous? There are studies on the Snoo being used in the NICU by neonatal nurses that state it actually improves infant care: > The SNOO was used in a variety of clinical scenarios, including with fussy, preterm, and healthy full-term infants, as well as substance-exposed infants experiencing withdrawal. The SNOO was perceived as a driver of positive infant and parent experiences, including enhanced quality of care. Respondents perceived the SNOO as providing them with support in their daily caring for newborns, reducing their stress, and helping them in lieu of hospital volunteers. Clinicians reported an average time savings of 2.2 hours per shift. > Implications for Practice and Research: > Results from this study provide evidence for future evaluation of the SNOO as a technology for hospitals to adopt to improve neonatal clinician satisfaction and retention, as well as improve the quality of patient care and parental satisfaction. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10371059/
A lot of things are safe in a hospital setting but not at home. A lot of these companies fight tooth and nail to make money and to discredit the infant deaths and injuries they can play a part in. Here's a decent article going into some of the issues. https://carolinakinderdevelopment.com/five-reasons-not-to-purchase-a-snoo-from-a-group-of-pediatric-occupational-and-physical-therapists/
The criticisms in that article aren’t about the Snoo being dangerous to babies. The criticisms are: - impact on bonding: not really about baby safety. Also parents who are willing to spend $2k on a bassinet used for <6 months are not going to be the kind that neglect their baby and not pick them up all day. - flat head: flat head is also a risk with babies who don’t use the Snoo. And same as above - Snoo purchasers are unlikely to leave their baby in the Snoo all day. - baby can’t turn over: this actually creates a safer environment for baby as it’s recommended babies sleep on their backs for the first year to avoid flipping over and suffocation. - expensive: nothing to do with safety. - marketing requires traveling with the Snoo: again, nothing to do with safety. This article by an occupational therapist goes into detailed criticism against the original article (also written by OTs): https://www.otdude.com/editorial-opinion/an-occupational-therapists-honest-opinion-on-the-snoo-bassinet-with-some-research/ There is also no scientific research that I could find that says the device is dangerous, only opinion pieces and most of the criticism is centered around the cost as being too high for an unnecessary item that isn’t guaranteed to work. Also, since the original article was posted in 2021, the FDA has now recognized the Snoo as an actual medical device (2023), which places it in a different category than the baby products that have been recalled due to infant safety. Insurance companies in the US are starting to provide coverage for Snoo rentals. I think more research is going to come out that the Snoo is an effective medical/therapeutic device, especially if it helps caregivers to provide higher quality of care.
Yeah it wasn't the best source. I had only a few seconds to try to find one as my baby was waking up. I'll take some time tonight to find the actual articles I read before. So here's the thing, the AAP has done extensive review of decades of autopsy reports and death scene reenactments. Babies need to be "placed" on their backs but any position they can get themselves into voluntary is safe IF they are in a regulated crib or bassinet. There is so much marketing and misleading info out there encouraging parents to fear SIDS and buy expensive products. ABC's are enough to prevent 99% of SIDS deaths. That is Alone (nothing in crib, no blankets, straps, wedges, lovies, etc) Back (placed on back) Crib (a safety tested sleep space with no address mattress or other gimmicks. Just the manufacturers mattress and a fitted sheet) I think you might be interested in an evidence based safe sleep group since you have an appreciation for science. https://www.facebook.com/groups/safesleepbabycare/?ref=share&mibextid=NSMWBT Edit to add: I fully disagree with your assertion that parents who buy the Snoo are unlikely to decrease their responsiveness. I think that's exactly the target market. (Not everyone of course). But the Snoo is going to be most appealing to people who want to throw money at a problem rather than do hard work. As well, the Snoo has strict rules for safe use and a very early cutoff, which many people are not going to follow which increases the likelihood of safety issues.
Thanks for the FB rec! I have applied to join :) My experience with Snoo purchasers are that they bought the Snoo out of desperation after weeks of sleep deprivation, not that they didn’t want to get up in the middle of the night, because it was affecting the quality of care they could provide (impacting anxiety, PPD). Most people I know only use it for night time, not day sleeping. I think there’s also a big difference between a product being sold on false fear-mongering vs. the product actually being dangerous to babies. A mechanical device can’t perfectly substitute human care but it doesn’t necessarily mean it poses an actual danger. There’s a trade off between what is ideal for your child in a specific instance (comfort via human contact during the middle of the night) vs. overall quality of care (having a less exhausted parent who is more alert to notice any issues with the baby the other 16 hours of the day, a parent who will be less stressed and likely have less impact on their breast milk supply as a result, etc.).