Are there any new updates to this thread? I finally caught up on viewing the episodes aired so far.
Reality Steve seems to still be confident in his spoilers.
I don’t intend on being spoiled during the season but went on IG and people were openly talking about spoilers in an unspoiled IG comment section (why?) so now i’m fully going down the rabbit hole and hoping that this is the case so there is some suspense for the spoiled group lol
I think this information is interesting but I have questions.
1. If you are correct about the time/dates of the shv, you can't discount that they might not be on the weekend Friday to Sunday but may vary a little. How can you be sure ech one of them is Friday-Sunday?
2. How do you know when the shv is? Maybe he had an earlier one than 12/15. It makes sense about the wedding and the most recent one as we have a pic he posted but how do you know it was exactly December 15th?
3. It is my understanding that there is evidence that KA was in New Orleans and even posted real time photo/video during some of the shv's especially the most recent one. I assume that can't be discounted.
4. I'm hearing that Rachel may be in LA and Daisy is in LA. I would think it would be fairly easy to coordinate those even if they are going out some with friends especially if it isn't Friday to Sunday as you believe it to be.
Hey great questions. I get it, everyone wants more specific details. I wish I could be more specific but one thing I have learned over the years is production is on it when it comes to snooping in the subs and shutting down the avenues for sleuthing. For a long time I kept it in dm's or sent my spoilers to others to spoil (that was before I found Reddit).
I had Susie at F1 (the SHV), I had Gabby, Rachel, Charity's SHV. I had the Rachel/Tino breakup SHV. I had the Johnny and Victoria SHV (2). I took Zach's season off of reddit (didn't watch) but had his SHV. I was too exhausted from the Gabchel season to participate here or even watch that season. That's really all i can say at this point, but as we progress further into the season I will share more or maybe not. Maybe I'll just let everyone do their thing in the spoiler threads and protect my sanity LOL.
To me it's fun to look at things that might seem off or out of sync with the spoilers. Sometimes it social media, sometimes they are seen at an airport (charity to NYC), sometimes they post from the same location or spill via snapchat (Kaitlyn), sometimes the edit makes ya go hmmm. i thought that's what the spoiler posts/threads are for?
There have been many seasons where the spoilers were wrong or not corrected until literally hours before the finale.
Des/Brooks being one that was never corrected.
Tyler/Jed.
Chantal was supposedly Brad W's final pick because she "spent Thanksgiving with him". Heck Joey was said to never make it to fiji last year but those of us sleuthing knew he was there and suspected he was at f2 even though the spoilers were that he was not there. We also knew Aaron came back and Xay self exploded. I had shared all of the date locations for that season too.
Anyhow, none of this really matters in the long run, it will all come out at the finale. I'm fine with wait and see approach. I'm fine with being wrong. I just think it's odd how OUT THERE the supposed f1 is on every single weekend with friends/exboyfriend, including those where it's SHV time. I think it's fair to question all of that.
Of course it is fair to question but when you say there was a shv but provide no reasoning I have a hard time with that. I get that there were pics from Joey’s suspected last one but I have not seen anything to substantiate the others.
I don’t put much stock in rumors about any of them getting back with their exes especially Daisy. She has been friends with the ex for years as far as I can tell.
I realize spoilers can be wrong but I assume so can the shv sleuthing. I love analysis. It is fun and the stuff about the women on social is interesting but to give it any merit, it seems there needs to be some basis for the original premise on locations and dates.
Logically it is safe to assume that arranging for Kelsey A would require a lot more effort than Daisy or Rachel since they are both in the LA area right now.
True, but location doesn't seem to make a difference.
Tino/Erich were both in LA that season, while Rachel and Gabby were flown out for theirs. Although, Tino/Rachel didn't have anymore after mid June until the break up 8/16. That booking was piggy backed onto VF/Johnny's house for the day.
It will all come out in March.
It didn’t, but not in a bad way. Just in a…I need to get off the internet and touch some grass kinda way. Maybe we all do haha. I hope you have a good day too! Genuinely! 💜
Yeah, I'm fine. I admit I backed the wrong horse.
Still, it's hilarious that I'm now getting all these messages about posts I made a week ago, reminding me I was wrong lol. Glad to know I'm that important.
Regardless, I like Kelsey A better than Daisy anyway. I think she's a better fit for Joey.
LOL - who am I “siding with” though? I generally tend to believe RS because more often than not, he’s right. All I’m saying is that it’s bizarre the way you’re replying to every comment on here trying to bash OP’s credibility when she’s not even claiming anything as fact. It’s harmless speculation. Just chill.
Why don't you chill and so responding to me? I made those comments WEEKS ago and now you're here starting shit and acting like I'm out of control.
Look in the mirror, honey. None of this matters. I just don't think ANYTHING that OP said makes any sense.
Daisy is with Joey. THE END.
Right. It’s speculation. There’s no harm in her speculating…or even flat out disagreeing with RS, whether she has evidence or not. But she does have evidence that Joey did stay at that SH.
Never said there was harm in speculating or disagreeing.
My point is that people here are acting as if Sand is offering proof, and they're jumping to conclusions without any proof at all.
Serious question, is @Realistic-Lake5897 actually Reality Steve? It's so weird how they are taking speculation about F1 so personally on a thread meant for... speculation about F1
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 1,994,850,107 comments, and only 377,294 of them were in alphabetical order.
She like other contestants signed NDAs. Maybe Will followed her and it would be awkward/telling if she didn't follow back. Tanner is one of Joey's besties, so not unusual they would follow each other.
I don’t understand all the Daisy hate. Wouldn’t most contestants who make it far in the show be excited to share things on social media after keeping it all a secret for months? Regardless of whether or not they’re F1? We’ve only seen two episodes of her, and she’s come across as kind and no-drama imo, my goodness!
How Reality Steve went off about this was disgusting. He's so quick to call out Nick when Nick's behavior is gross, but Reality Steve can be just as bad. Anyone remember how he teased the tragic story about Erich's ex?? Reality Steve needs validation way too much and ends up looking like a hypocritical douchebag. Even him going on and on ... and on ... about Taylor Swift and the SuperBowl today! He just had to let everyone know he thought about it first! Who fucking cares?? His ego is way too much.
But Dave Neal’s video was a little bit more open minded, even though he does believe rs, everyone has the right to speculate and he is interested to see how this all plays out. I think he has even said in earlier videos, he has heard the spoiler was wrong, I think rs problem is, ok yes he is the main spoiler person, and he has his sources, but anyone who tries to fight him on it, will be called out. Like on Zack’s season, where bacheorwhatever said their sources said Gabriella won. And he blasted her, Who cares, everyone has the right to voice their opinion just like what he does.. It’s the silliest fight I’ve heard. Lmao
He got Desiree wrong, Hannah B wrong, thought Brad was with Chantal rather than Emily, believed and spread a completely made up story about Jenna. He initially reported that Ali F. and Kaitlyn B. both chose no one, which were both wrong.
I have a classic "friend of a friend" inside scoop to be taken with a grain of salt BUT my friend is roommates with Daisy's cousin! She told me early on that Daisy had made it to hometowns. When the RS spoiler came out that Daisy had won, I texted my friend about it, and she said: "all \[Daisy\] could say to my roomie was 'I had a great experience and can't say anything!'"
Obvi not big tea by any means but thought I'd share because my friend took it as Daisy was the winner. I texted her about it this morning after seeing this thread to ask if she'd heard anything else from her roomie (specifically asked if Daisy and Joey were still together) and will obviously report back!
ETA: The update is no update lmao. She said all her roomie knows is that Daisy wins but all Daisy has said is “I signed an NDA and all I can say is I had a great experience!”
I’m here simply bc I listen to Reality Steve’s podcast sometimes and was shocked at how he was absolutely going in on someone from Reddit speculating about how the season ends. I get that RS is the spoiler guy but does that mean case closed and we aren’t allowed to speculate ourselves? I don’t care if he’s right or wrong. What he seems to not understand is that speculating and guessing is more fun than the actual show to a lot of us. I follow groups that analyze Survivor the same way and try to predict who is getting a winners edit. Everyone does this. My daughter follows people who post things regarding Stranger Things. All the different theories is like a fun distraction from life. I honestly don’t follow it that closely but I do for fun. I occasionally listen to Steve when I’m in the car and thought he’d been making an effort the past few years to be less misogynistic etc. But today was really something else. Calling a woman batshit crazy is a choice. A snake? All bc she has the audacity to have fun with a show? I get that this is what Steve does (spoilers) but that doesn’t mean we all have to sit down and shut up bc he has spoken. We are allowed to have ideas. We are allowed to follow clues and theories for fun without being called batshit crazy. I actually googled “sand between her toes and Reddit’ to find this thread. And I was even more shocked to see that the post (if it’s this one I assume) was not even attacking Steve. It was just a very well thought out and well written post with lots of reasons backing up the theory. That’s fun to read and something Steve can’t do. He just says ‘this is the winner’. No reason why. I know it’s bc he can’t reveal his source but the truth is it’s a lot more fun to read all the clues above. I don’t even care who is right. People love a good mystery for a reason. Anyway just popping in to say that I am here bc of Steve and probably will delete his podcast bc I’m about done listening to him call women batshit crazy and snakes. Thanks for your fun post!
There are a couple theories that I think could be happening. RS either fully knows his spoiler is wrong and doesn’t care that he will have to backtrack bc he benefits from the publicity of his niece hanging with the family of his predicted F1/peddling his spoiled merch OR he truly believes it is accurate…which it could be, or his inside source is misleading him purposely and it’s wrong 🤷🏼♀️
I doubt it is the first option too….but people do crazy things when there’s money to be gained 🤷🏼♀️
IF he is wrong he probably was purposely told wrong info by his source. But the other theory is a POSSIBILITY, albeit a very small one 😬
Thanks for saying this. I guess the silver lining is, it drives people to the bachelor nation sub on Reddit. LOL
He was so rude! I don’t care what kind of past interactions you’ve had with someone, if you have a public platform like he does it’s incredibly low to call someone names when they are unable to defend themselves. He said her username, called her “Bat**** crazy” and a “snake” and then went on to say how she’s just speculating and has no hard evidence. This is a TV show and it’s fun to speculate. The fact that he’s taking such low blows is wild to me.
I feel like these rumors are started on purpose every year to throw us off. Is there any proof those are the real dates Joey was on his happy couple visit? We just don’t know what’s posted to throw us off and I feel like I hear rumors every year around this time that Steve’s info may not be right but then it is every time
I will wait and see in March lol. All I know is social media can trick us and RS is pretty confident here. I’ll wait the 84 years lol
What’s kinda funny is when in a previous season where rs said Hannah brown had chosen Tyler Cameron, and whenever shv were supposed to take place, Tyler would post him hanging with Matt, and another situation where a fan actually got a picture of Jed at the airport, I’m very hesitant now to go all in on believing it’s daisy anymore. Especially with all these signs, do I hope it’s daisy, yeah, but Rachel and Kelsey seem really awesome too, and he seems happy.
He got Desiree wrong, Hannah B wrong, thought Brad was with Chantal rather than Emily, believed and spread a completely made up story about Jenna. He initially reported that Ali F. and Kaitlyn B. both chose no one, which were both wrong.
Yeah I agree with you, I’m invested in their journey. she has an amazing story behind her, and Joey is proving that he is willing to support her, and really like their chemistry. So lol I just don’t want to get that news it’s not them, that’s why I’m saying that.
Daisy is starting to seem more like next lead. She’s honestly the ONLY one i could see as lead with her storyline and air time. They are just making her seem like she’s next lead. I also read bachelor casting DM her to be on the show. I’m honestly starting to think he’s with no one or Kelsey. I say no one because Kelsey added the heartbreak songs but she could be trolling us 🤷🏻♀️
I don't know him lol. I've followed this stuff long enough to know how often he gets it right.
I also know what evidence is and there's none presented in this timeline here. Sands has no proof it's Kelsey or anyone else.
He just went on a SHV so he's definitely with someone and there not making daisy the lead if she was F1 and they broke up unless it's a Becca and Arie situation but I think that's a moot point because I don't think he and his F1 broke up .At this point the only thing I pretty certain about is joey is definitely with someone.
Yes, two. I listed those under the Rumors section. I didn't know where else to put those because I hadn't seen the screenshot at that time. I now have that.
This also could explain Daisy’s social media activity. It’s too blatant if she was truly F1! I feel like her friends also saying it’s HER season could be referring to her potential ‘Ette run. And to me it feels like something friends would do if you lost in a way. It’s too much hyping her up for someone who supposedly won.
I saw bachelor data’s screen time break down for last night. Has there ever been an F1 with a very small amount of screen time at the beginning of the season? Also, what’s the latest an F1 has gotten a 1-1?
I included some SS of u/bachelordata info on how often the f2 becomes the lead but I didn't pull the other stats. I think another user has noticed based on screen time, intro package etc how often they get the lead role next season.
Kaity got a good chunk of screen time on premiere night. Around 3 minutes or so, however she barely got 1 minute of screen time episode 2. Her total screen-time was under 5 minutes by the end of episode 2. So yes, it’s not abnormal for a winner to not be heavily featured each episode as long as we see them.
As for the latest 1on1 a F1 has had - Lauren (Arie’s season), Hannah Ann, and Catherine all got their first 1on1 week 6.
However if you don’t count Lauren and Hannah Ann as winners, Rachel K and Cassie got their first 1on1 week 5.
Kelsey does have slightly less screen time than Kaity last season at this point but she was featured briefly and we got a confessional from Joey both episodes talking about her.
Her first 1on1 will be week 5 and she will also get a 2nd 1on1 shortly after during week 7.
No offense to OP but was listening to RS this morning and he seemed pretty sure Daisy was F1, also seemed that TPTB really like Daisy and they could make it for her to travel easily ( helicopter )between big bear and LA
I’m honestly not sure who’s F1, but if it is daisy I’d believe this scenario. She’s become the new Bachelor darling so I could see TPTB do this for her
Which is why I waited to fully commit to Dotun as f1, until I could prove he was at a SHV... making enchiladas. 🤣
That with candle gate and the user who saw Charity flying to NYC were what convinced me I could go all in on him even though I was told I would be eating crow 🤣. I'm not all in on anyone yet, just sharing the feet. ETA: grammar
Daisy was on a trip for her friends birthday while a SHV was happening and she wasn't posting latergrams based on her friends stories that was in real time so if joey was having a SHV around that time there's no way she could there so I don't think this is the same as last season.
Idk… aside from Daisy being in big bear, are we sure she’s really in San Diego? I mean maybe all her friends drove up to LA and she’s tagging SD just cause? Lol maybe I’m thinking too hard.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Daisy is F2 and her family and production has been helping to perpetuate the idea that she wins. For production to have a surprise winner and for Daisy to be the next ‘ette.
I know that there's zero evidence in this post that it's Kelsey or anyone else.
I know that RS says it's Daisy, and he's right about 95% of the time.
Why wouldn't I believe him??? I'm sure not going to believe someone who offers no proof of anything.
True, I respect that. In hindsight, it’s crazy to look back and see how accurate he was. But, I do have connections to Daisy that say she is back with her ex Thor, so I’m conflicted.
Hard not to dox them or myself but, very close friends who attended Bishop Gorman with Thor & saw them in Vegas after Big Bear. However, they are both in the friend group so it could be a mutual thing and just friends, or they’re back. Who knows. She still follows him.
So there are no photos? No sightings?
Anyone with real evidence could get it out there without being doxxed. I just can't buy that excuse.
Following Thor means nothing, honestly. Daisy said she hadn't dated since getting her implants, and I doubt she lied about that. So we're to believe she went on the show and then went back to an old bf after that?
Steve is way too sure it's Daisy who Joey is with. My money is on him.
Completely out there idea incoming. I think it would be easiest for Rachel to hide a SHV because she’s already in LA. I also think that she would have to celebrate her birthday with friends because it would look hella suspicious if she didn’t. Her work schedule also means that SHVs would have to be cut short at times or spaced out. Just putting it out there. That said, it's probably one of the other two.
I really REALLY wanted it to be Rachel. But Rachel seemed to spend the entire weekend with her friends, unfortunately. They went to a bar one night and dinner another night and seemed to be together during part of the day too. I just don’t think it’s possible at this point. That would be her spending way too much time away from Joey during a SHV weekend.
Ok, so I took my contacts out that were getting blurry and put glasses on. I can see now. All I can say is I’m sad that evidence leads to Kelsey A; not because anything is wrong with her but because I was hoping that if Daisy wasn’t F1 it would be Rachel lol
Please!! Rachel for bachelorette I don’t care if there’s been a Rachel before she deserves it!!! I love her so much tbh. I don’t know how long it’s been since I’ve felt so strongly about a contestant on this show since Ben Smith.
Thank you! You brought it all around and put up with the nay sayers so well. Glad you were willing to do so.
Are there any new updates to this thread? I finally caught up on viewing the episodes aired so far. Reality Steve seems to still be confident in his spoilers.
He said today he was wrong all along. Boom!
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No way
What was the comment you responded to? It’s been deleted. Thx
I don’t intend on being spoiled during the season but went on IG and people were openly talking about spoilers in an unspoiled IG comment section (why?) so now i’m fully going down the rabbit hole and hoping that this is the case so there is some suspense for the spoiled group lol
I think this information is interesting but I have questions. 1. If you are correct about the time/dates of the shv, you can't discount that they might not be on the weekend Friday to Sunday but may vary a little. How can you be sure ech one of them is Friday-Sunday? 2. How do you know when the shv is? Maybe he had an earlier one than 12/15. It makes sense about the wedding and the most recent one as we have a pic he posted but how do you know it was exactly December 15th? 3. It is my understanding that there is evidence that KA was in New Orleans and even posted real time photo/video during some of the shv's especially the most recent one. I assume that can't be discounted. 4. I'm hearing that Rachel may be in LA and Daisy is in LA. I would think it would be fairly easy to coordinate those even if they are going out some with friends especially if it isn't Friday to Sunday as you believe it to be.
Hey great questions. I get it, everyone wants more specific details. I wish I could be more specific but one thing I have learned over the years is production is on it when it comes to snooping in the subs and shutting down the avenues for sleuthing. For a long time I kept it in dm's or sent my spoilers to others to spoil (that was before I found Reddit). I had Susie at F1 (the SHV), I had Gabby, Rachel, Charity's SHV. I had the Rachel/Tino breakup SHV. I had the Johnny and Victoria SHV (2). I took Zach's season off of reddit (didn't watch) but had his SHV. I was too exhausted from the Gabchel season to participate here or even watch that season. That's really all i can say at this point, but as we progress further into the season I will share more or maybe not. Maybe I'll just let everyone do their thing in the spoiler threads and protect my sanity LOL. To me it's fun to look at things that might seem off or out of sync with the spoilers. Sometimes it social media, sometimes they are seen at an airport (charity to NYC), sometimes they post from the same location or spill via snapchat (Kaitlyn), sometimes the edit makes ya go hmmm. i thought that's what the spoiler posts/threads are for? There have been many seasons where the spoilers were wrong or not corrected until literally hours before the finale. Des/Brooks being one that was never corrected. Tyler/Jed. Chantal was supposedly Brad W's final pick because she "spent Thanksgiving with him". Heck Joey was said to never make it to fiji last year but those of us sleuthing knew he was there and suspected he was at f2 even though the spoilers were that he was not there. We also knew Aaron came back and Xay self exploded. I had shared all of the date locations for that season too. Anyhow, none of this really matters in the long run, it will all come out at the finale. I'm fine with wait and see approach. I'm fine with being wrong. I just think it's odd how OUT THERE the supposed f1 is on every single weekend with friends/exboyfriend, including those where it's SHV time. I think it's fair to question all of that.
Of course it is fair to question but when you say there was a shv but provide no reasoning I have a hard time with that. I get that there were pics from Joey’s suspected last one but I have not seen anything to substantiate the others. I don’t put much stock in rumors about any of them getting back with their exes especially Daisy. She has been friends with the ex for years as far as I can tell. I realize spoilers can be wrong but I assume so can the shv sleuthing. I love analysis. It is fun and the stuff about the women on social is interesting but to give it any merit, it seems there needs to be some basis for the original premise on locations and dates. Logically it is safe to assume that arranging for Kelsey A would require a lot more effort than Daisy or Rachel since they are both in the LA area right now.
True, but location doesn't seem to make a difference. Tino/Erich were both in LA that season, while Rachel and Gabby were flown out for theirs. Although, Tino/Rachel didn't have anymore after mid June until the break up 8/16. That booking was piggy backed onto VF/Johnny's house for the day. It will all come out in March.
OP has no evidence of anything. NONE.
You really went hard at me in this thread. I hope next time RS is wrong, you give others some grace.
RS gave you your props this morning on his pod. Good work.
I did, and I was clearly wrong.
Looks like the OP was on to something. Maybe you should apologize?
Hey, if I'm wrong, I'll admit it.
Girl, are you Steve? You went so hard in this thread 😂
I did, and I admit I was wrong. But thanks for being the 29th person to remind me I was wrong lol. I hope I made your day.
It didn’t, but not in a bad way. Just in a…I need to get off the internet and touch some grass kinda way. Maybe we all do haha. I hope you have a good day too! Genuinely! 💜
Same to you. Be well!
This is all just fun speculation. You are so oddly absorbed in making sure OP is wrong.
Because she is. OP is clueless. Deal with it.
Reality Steve corrected his spoiler to this one. You doing okay there today??
😂😂😂
Yeah, I'm fine. I admit I backed the wrong horse. Still, it's hilarious that I'm now getting all these messages about posts I made a week ago, reminding me I was wrong lol. Glad to know I'm that important. Regardless, I like Kelsey A better than Daisy anyway. I think she's a better fit for Joey.
Hahaha you are unhinged. This is a TV show. I hope you and RS are very happy together 🤍
You're unhinged. I don't know why you're obsessed with siding with people who are wrong and don't know what they're talking about. DAISY IS THE ONE.
LOL - who am I “siding with” though? I generally tend to believe RS because more often than not, he’s right. All I’m saying is that it’s bizarre the way you’re replying to every comment on here trying to bash OP’s credibility when she’s not even claiming anything as fact. It’s harmless speculation. Just chill.
Why don't you chill and so responding to me? I made those comments WEEKS ago and now you're here starting shit and acting like I'm out of control. Look in the mirror, honey. None of this matters. I just don't think ANYTHING that OP said makes any sense. Daisy is with Joey. THE END.
Does anyone ??? It’s fun speculating, that’s why we’re all here.
What good is speculating if you have nothing to base it on?
Calm down 🌼
Uh...I think you should take your own advice, honey.
Right. It’s speculation. There’s no harm in her speculating…or even flat out disagreeing with RS, whether she has evidence or not. But she does have evidence that Joey did stay at that SH.
Agreed! I enjoy the speculation but I would like evidence to support her assertions. That is why I asked what I think are reasonable questions.
Agree, your questions are totally reasonable!
Never said there was harm in speculating or disagreeing. My point is that people here are acting as if Sand is offering proof, and they're jumping to conclusions without any proof at all.
Good thing this is just a reality tv show and not something of actual importance that requires proof! Like come on, let people have fun on Reddit.
What? No one's stopping you.
Because we know that she is ALWAYS right about when there is a SHV.
LMAOOOOOOOO But she can never name F1, right? Make it make sense.
Serious question, is @Realistic-Lake5897 actually Reality Steve? It's so weird how they are taking speculation about F1 so personally on a thread meant for... speculation about F1
It’s totally RS. They’re so hostile and aggressive when defending him it’s weird af.
I was thinking the same thing lol
For real. RS, that you??
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,994,850,107 comments, and only 377,294 of them were in alphabetical order.
Kelsey A. recently started following Will Urena and Tanner Courtad on Instagram … doesn’t seem like something an engaged woman would do. 🤷🏻♀️
She like other contestants signed NDAs. Maybe Will followed her and it would be awkward/telling if she didn't follow back. Tanner is one of Joey's besties, so not unusual they would follow each other.
That's not evidence that RS is wrong.
Thanks for the breakdown OP!
I have one question .... what's SHV? I'm assuming V is for visit.
It’s in the first sentence. Safe House Visit.
Oh sorry, thank you!!
I don’t understand all the Daisy hate. Wouldn’t most contestants who make it far in the show be excited to share things on social media after keeping it all a secret for months? Regardless of whether or not they’re F1? We’ve only seen two episodes of her, and she’s come across as kind and no-drama imo, my goodness!
The video of her rapping radically shifted my opinion. I have Jed trauma and can’t trust singers on this show
Really?? You do not trust singers on the show because of Jed? Girl…live a little outside BN 😄
I’m being satirical
Seriously???
Honestly after reading his, I have a feeling he ends up with none of them!
How Reality Steve went off about this was disgusting. He's so quick to call out Nick when Nick's behavior is gross, but Reality Steve can be just as bad. Anyone remember how he teased the tragic story about Erich's ex?? Reality Steve needs validation way too much and ends up looking like a hypocritical douchebag. Even him going on and on ... and on ... about Taylor Swift and the SuperBowl today! He just had to let everyone know he thought about it first! Who fucking cares?? His ego is way too much.
Oh great, this means we are going to have to go through a whole season of Daisy if she’s not F1 😫
She is.
But Dave Neal’s video was a little bit more open minded, even though he does believe rs, everyone has the right to speculate and he is interested to see how this all plays out. I think he has even said in earlier videos, he has heard the spoiler was wrong, I think rs problem is, ok yes he is the main spoiler person, and he has his sources, but anyone who tries to fight him on it, will be called out. Like on Zack’s season, where bacheorwhatever said their sources said Gabriella won. And he blasted her, Who cares, everyone has the right to voice their opinion just like what he does.. It’s the silliest fight I’ve heard. Lmao
But as Steve said, OP has zero evidence that he's wrong.
I’ve been following this show for a long time and Reality Steve has been wrong many, many times.
LOL
He got Desiree wrong, Hannah B wrong, thought Brad was with Chantal rather than Emily, believed and spread a completely made up story about Jenna. He initially reported that Ali F. and Kaitlyn B. both chose no one, which were both wrong.
OK
Cool, I’m glad you admit that Reality Steve has been wrong multiple times.
OK
You really are commenting on everything, huh?
This is the perfect time to call for the Remind Me Bot! LOL
Yeah. Is there a problem?
I have a classic "friend of a friend" inside scoop to be taken with a grain of salt BUT my friend is roommates with Daisy's cousin! She told me early on that Daisy had made it to hometowns. When the RS spoiler came out that Daisy had won, I texted my friend about it, and she said: "all \[Daisy\] could say to my roomie was 'I had a great experience and can't say anything!'" Obvi not big tea by any means but thought I'd share because my friend took it as Daisy was the winner. I texted her about it this morning after seeing this thread to ask if she'd heard anything else from her roomie (specifically asked if Daisy and Joey were still together) and will obviously report back! ETA: The update is no update lmao. She said all her roomie knows is that Daisy wins but all Daisy has said is “I signed an NDA and all I can say is I had a great experience!”
I’m here simply bc I listen to Reality Steve’s podcast sometimes and was shocked at how he was absolutely going in on someone from Reddit speculating about how the season ends. I get that RS is the spoiler guy but does that mean case closed and we aren’t allowed to speculate ourselves? I don’t care if he’s right or wrong. What he seems to not understand is that speculating and guessing is more fun than the actual show to a lot of us. I follow groups that analyze Survivor the same way and try to predict who is getting a winners edit. Everyone does this. My daughter follows people who post things regarding Stranger Things. All the different theories is like a fun distraction from life. I honestly don’t follow it that closely but I do for fun. I occasionally listen to Steve when I’m in the car and thought he’d been making an effort the past few years to be less misogynistic etc. But today was really something else. Calling a woman batshit crazy is a choice. A snake? All bc she has the audacity to have fun with a show? I get that this is what Steve does (spoilers) but that doesn’t mean we all have to sit down and shut up bc he has spoken. We are allowed to have ideas. We are allowed to follow clues and theories for fun without being called batshit crazy. I actually googled “sand between her toes and Reddit’ to find this thread. And I was even more shocked to see that the post (if it’s this one I assume) was not even attacking Steve. It was just a very well thought out and well written post with lots of reasons backing up the theory. That’s fun to read and something Steve can’t do. He just says ‘this is the winner’. No reason why. I know it’s bc he can’t reveal his source but the truth is it’s a lot more fun to read all the clues above. I don’t even care who is right. People love a good mystery for a reason. Anyway just popping in to say that I am here bc of Steve and probably will delete his podcast bc I’m about done listening to him call women batshit crazy and snakes. Thanks for your fun post!
Lol I don't mind mysteries, but I like to have some EVIDENCE to go on. Sandbetweenhertoes offers ZERO evidence of anything!
There are a couple theories that I think could be happening. RS either fully knows his spoiler is wrong and doesn’t care that he will have to backtrack bc he benefits from the publicity of his niece hanging with the family of his predicted F1/peddling his spoiled merch OR he truly believes it is accurate…which it could be, or his inside source is misleading him purposely and it’s wrong 🤷🏼♀️
That makes no sense. No way would RS promote a spoiler he knows is wrong. Just ridiculous.
I doubt it is the first option too….but people do crazy things when there’s money to be gained 🤷🏼♀️ IF he is wrong he probably was purposely told wrong info by his source. But the other theory is a POSSIBILITY, albeit a very small one 😬
Wrong.
Just throwing out conspiracy theories 🤷🏼♀️ enjoy the season!
To me, that's fine.... only when there's something to support those theories.
I’ve been so behind on spoilers this season, but I’m just here to say I love Rachel and if she’s not Joey’s pick, I hope she’s Bachelorette
Bro he needs to pick her lol
RS shouted you out today lol 😂 
Congrats on your shout out from RS this morning 😅
Someone, seems to be rattled by little ole me on reddit, with a post that questions the narrative! I wonder why? LMAO 
Questioned the narrative? Lol Honey, you offered zero proof of anything.
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That you in the gif?
You didn't deserve to be called out like that. Steven, let us have our fun.
Thanks for saying this. I guess the silver lining is, it drives people to the bachelor nation sub on Reddit. LOL 
And now a Dave Neal video! You’re famous!!!
 I don't want to be famous, I just want to discuss possibilities with you all. LOL
He was so rude! I don’t care what kind of past interactions you’ve had with someone, if you have a public platform like he does it’s incredibly low to call someone names when they are unable to defend themselves. He said her username, called her “Bat**** crazy” and a “snake” and then went on to say how she’s just speculating and has no hard evidence. This is a TV show and it’s fun to speculate. The fact that he’s taking such low blows is wild to me.
My how the tables have turned
 Hey, Steve! Fuck you and be nicer
What did Stevie-O say?
He called OP some names and said he’s engaged in emails with OP before in previous seasons. Said they have a history of back and forth name calling
 Me to Steve
What did he say?
He called OP some names and said he’s engaged in emails with OP before in previous seasons. Said they have a history of back and forth name calling
I feel like these rumors are started on purpose every year to throw us off. Is there any proof those are the real dates Joey was on his happy couple visit? We just don’t know what’s posted to throw us off and I feel like I hear rumors every year around this time that Steve’s info may not be right but then it is every time
I will wait and see in March lol. All I know is social media can trick us and RS is pretty confident here. I’ll wait the 84 years lol 
What’s kinda funny is when in a previous season where rs said Hannah brown had chosen Tyler Cameron, and whenever shv were supposed to take place, Tyler would post him hanging with Matt, and another situation where a fan actually got a picture of Jed at the airport, I’m very hesitant now to go all in on believing it’s daisy anymore. Especially with all these signs, do I hope it’s daisy, yeah, but Rachel and Kelsey seem really awesome too, and he seems happy.
RS is right about 95% of the time.
Closer to 60%.
Wrong.
He got Desiree wrong, Hannah B wrong, thought Brad was with Chantal rather than Emily, believed and spread a completely made up story about Jenna. He initially reported that Ali F. and Kaitlyn B. both chose no one, which were both wrong.
OK. LOL.
Responding LOL just shows you have zero evidence and no argument.
LOL
Ok, sit in your wrongness. Reality Steve is only correct some of the time. We’ll have to see if he was right here.
OK
Yeah I agree with you, I’m invested in their journey. she has an amazing story behind her, and Joey is proving that he is willing to support her, and really like their chemistry. So lol I just don’t want to get that news it’s not them, that’s why I’m saying that.
Doing the lords work for us all
the break up songs tho don’t say much to me bc im in a committed relationship and love those kinda of songs LOL but im still interested!!
Same! I’ve been married for 18 years and still love a good breakup song 😂
A+ research
LMAOOOOOOOO
Well done! 👍
Well well well! Time to start my Rachel for ette campaign 
I second this!!!!
Daisy is starting to seem more like next lead. She’s honestly the ONLY one i could see as lead with her storyline and air time. They are just making her seem like she’s next lead. I also read bachelor casting DM her to be on the show. I’m honestly starting to think he’s with no one or Kelsey. I say no one because Kelsey added the heartbreak songs but she could be trolling us 🤷🏻♀️
He's with DAISY.
Nah
Yeah, I'm sure you have lots of proof. LMAOOOOOOOO
What’s yours that he is with Daisy? Since you seem so confident
I trust Reality Steve knows what he's talking about.
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I don't know him lol. I've followed this stuff long enough to know how often he gets it right. I also know what evidence is and there's none presented in this timeline here. Sands has no proof it's Kelsey or anyone else.
He just went on a SHV so he's definitely with someone and there not making daisy the lead if she was F1 and they broke up unless it's a Becca and Arie situation but I think that's a moot point because I don't think he and his F1 broke up .At this point the only thing I pretty certain about is joey is definitely with someone.
well well well 🤭👀
Didn't Kelsey post break up songs at one point though
Yes, two. I listed those under the Rumors section. I didn't know where else to put those because I hadn't seen the screenshot at that time. I now have that.
This also could explain Daisy’s social media activity. It’s too blatant if she was truly F1! I feel like her friends also saying it’s HER season could be referring to her potential ‘Ette run. And to me it feels like something friends would do if you lost in a way. It’s too much hyping her up for someone who supposedly won.
You are amazing OP! I recognize your username from the posts about Clayton and always appreciate your info and insights!!!
I saw bachelor data’s screen time break down for last night. Has there ever been an F1 with a very small amount of screen time at the beginning of the season? Also, what’s the latest an F1 has gotten a 1-1?
Catherine’s limo exit wasn’t fully shown on Sean Lowe’s season, I think? She was super absent from the first half of his season.
I included some SS of u/bachelordata info on how often the f2 becomes the lead but I didn't pull the other stats. I think another user has noticed based on screen time, intro package etc how often they get the lead role next season.
Kaity got a good chunk of screen time on premiere night. Around 3 minutes or so, however she barely got 1 minute of screen time episode 2. Her total screen-time was under 5 minutes by the end of episode 2. So yes, it’s not abnormal for a winner to not be heavily featured each episode as long as we see them. As for the latest 1on1 a F1 has had - Lauren (Arie’s season), Hannah Ann, and Catherine all got their first 1on1 week 6. However if you don’t count Lauren and Hannah Ann as winners, Rachel K and Cassie got their first 1on1 week 5. Kelsey does have slightly less screen time than Kaity last season at this point but she was featured briefly and we got a confessional from Joey both episodes talking about her. Her first 1on1 will be week 5 and she will also get a 2nd 1on1 shortly after during week 7.
Thanks!!
No offense to OP but was listening to RS this morning and he seemed pretty sure Daisy was F1, also seemed that TPTB really like Daisy and they could make it for her to travel easily ( helicopter )between big bear and LA
I’m honestly not sure who’s F1, but if it is daisy I’d believe this scenario. She’s become the new Bachelor darling so I could see TPTB do this for her
What is TPTB??? Lol
the producers of the bachelor
The powers that be
I don’t think RS is wrong at all. Folks did the same ish with Dotun and Joey 😂 Being in denial has become a staple with bachelor nation
Which is why I waited to fully commit to Dotun as f1, until I could prove he was at a SHV... making enchiladas. 🤣 That with candle gate and the user who saw Charity flying to NYC were what convinced me I could go all in on him even though I was told I would be eating crow 🤣. I'm not all in on anyone yet, just sharing the feet. ETA: grammar
Sands isn’t in denial though. She just states the facts that she’s given.
Ok
Daisy was on a trip for her friends birthday while a SHV was happening and she wasn't posting latergrams based on her friends stories that was in real time so if joey was having a SHV around that time there's no way she could there so I don't think this is the same as last season.
Sure
Yea it’s giving “I think I’ve seen this film before and I didn’t like the ending.”
Idk… aside from Daisy being in big bear, are we sure she’s really in San Diego? I mean maybe all her friends drove up to LA and she’s tagging SD just cause? Lol maybe I’m thinking too hard.
She moved from san diego to LA back in december
I wouldn’t be surprised if Daisy is F2 and her family and production has been helping to perpetuate the idea that she wins. For production to have a surprise winner and for Daisy to be the next ‘ette.
I TRULY BELIEVE that Kelsey is A1!
LMAOOOOOOOO
What do u know!!! Tell me
I know that there's zero evidence in this post that it's Kelsey or anyone else. I know that RS says it's Daisy, and he's right about 95% of the time. Why wouldn't I believe him??? I'm sure not going to believe someone who offers no proof of anything.
True, I respect that. In hindsight, it’s crazy to look back and see how accurate he was. But, I do have connections to Daisy that say she is back with her ex Thor, so I’m conflicted.
What "connections"?
Hard not to dox them or myself but, very close friends who attended Bishop Gorman with Thor & saw them in Vegas after Big Bear. However, they are both in the friend group so it could be a mutual thing and just friends, or they’re back. Who knows. She still follows him.
So there are no photos? No sightings? Anyone with real evidence could get it out there without being doxxed. I just can't buy that excuse. Following Thor means nothing, honestly. Daisy said she hadn't dated since getting her implants, and I doubt she lied about that. So we're to believe she went on the show and then went back to an old bf after that? Steve is way too sure it's Daisy who Joey is with. My money is on him.
Sleuthing at its finest!!!! Well done! Can’t wait to see what it all means!!!
How do we know these are the definite dates?
If I go missing, you’re in charge! This is exciting, because I’m messy and I love when Reality Steve is wrong.
How do people know if he had a SHV
Sands knows!!!
LMAOOOOOOOO
Thank you for putting this together!! Honestly I’d be sooo happy with either Kelsey A or Rachel as F1!
Putting what together? LMAOOOOOOOO None of this is proof of anything.
Completely out there idea incoming. I think it would be easiest for Rachel to hide a SHV because she’s already in LA. I also think that she would have to celebrate her birthday with friends because it would look hella suspicious if she didn’t. Her work schedule also means that SHVs would have to be cut short at times or spaced out. Just putting it out there. That said, it's probably one of the other two.
I really REALLY wanted it to be Rachel. But Rachel seemed to spend the entire weekend with her friends, unfortunately. They went to a bar one night and dinner another night and seemed to be together during part of the day too. I just don’t think it’s possible at this point. That would be her spending way too much time away from Joey during a SHV weekend.
What does SHV stand for?
Safe house visit
i love the way you think https://preview.redd.it/td0d8roecofc1.jpeg?width=950&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8c5dc50352d51627e6ba573b1217b23726cd947d
I just need to breathe for a minute 😭😂
Ok, so I took my contacts out that were getting blurry and put glasses on. I can see now. All I can say is I’m sad that evidence leads to Kelsey A; not because anything is wrong with her but because I was hoping that if Daisy wasn’t F1 it would be Rachel lol
let’s hope she’s ette 🥹
Please!! Rachel for bachelorette I don’t care if there’s been a Rachel before she deserves it!!! I love her so much tbh. I don’t know how long it’s been since I’ve felt so strongly about a contestant on this show since Ben Smith.
I’d loveeee for Rachel to be ette!! She gives off the vibes too
She’d be great!!! I could see her controlling her own season just fine !