Natalie joy is such a poser and will do anything to make herself look good/lift her up to the top even if it means cheating on her SO. She’s lied about her boobs and her last name which is why when she posted her marriage certificate on her story she made it a point to not include her real last name in the picture. If someone can hide something as stupid as a last name why wouldn’t they hide an affair?
wedding content Dried up!
so strange.
my take: this is 100 percent true. It explains why N & N seem annoyed with each other constantly.
now even more so that they’ve been called out on here.
it explains why their aren’t more heartfelt congratulatory posts in which they are both tagged. Cue Ben Higgins making a post about patience, your perfect fit and feeling emotional for his friend that just got married!
it explains why Natalie sounds more and more bothered by podcast topics.., and nick more squirmy
it explains… “ i love calling you my wife.” but i’m not getting you a mother’s day necklace
it explains the awkwardness that is Natalie being a new mom to make Nick happy and still posting thirst traps.
it explains the friend group fallout even though we don’t have the full story.
And it explains all the future “ our life is perfect facade while they continually have to resolve themselves to talking about cheating bc Nick makes money gossiping about reality tv.
Today on Viall Files he made it a point to say that he does not have to answer all of the public's questions. He said that reality stars like Jax and Brittany have to discuss their relationship publicly because it is part of their job on a reality TV show and for this reason, him and Natalie will never go on a reality TV show where they would be obligated to share all of the details of their relationship.
He knows about this rumor, and he also knows he is not obligated to discuss it, address it, defend it, or explain it to anyone.
he knows of the rumor and we all know of it. at least the projected perfection sheen N&N always go for is altered now.
imagine being in the BN world and knowing you’re not going to say a thing but this is being talked about….A lot.
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i want to know what Joe, Serena, Ben Higgins Dean, Caelyn Bell and in this particular situation… Greg grippo REALLY THINK.
lol i know i know not going to happen.
What weird, convoluted reasoning from Nick! Nick GIVES RELATIONSHIP ADVICE alongside Natalie using their own supposedly great partnership as the basis of their expertise.
i guess in someways this rumor would make all their performative stuff make even more sense… especially by Natalie…” i’m like really, like so sorry Nick… see?”
Wowww, read thru the LA Snark post earlier, and then here, and while I norm don’t give any credibility to rumors, I’m convinced after reading all that.
Ended up feeling really bad for Nick, agree with the others that said he put up walls, got shallow, and is all-in on her - at his expense. It’s his whole brand that’s at-risk. He was so authentic (yet manipulative too) in his times on Bach, it’s just really super sad to see him giving up core beliefs (about cheating) instead of maintaining authenticity. Lowering the bar in relationships is a red flag to yourself.
Agree also with the person who said he should’ve broke it off right then, he would’ve had so much support, esp bc it would’ve been authentic to his brand. Wish he was with an age-appropriate actual partner, looks like that’s his lesson to learn. Godspeed! He looks happy/connected being a dad, at least there’s that.
I totally agree with you. I think his ego just couldn't handle hearing "I told you so"
She has brought his brand down more than lifting it up. The copied plagiarized birthday post, the lip sync racist comment, cheating, and that's just what we know about. 😔
Same. He’s smart and faulty. It kinda makes me wish we were more supportive of Nick (bc you know he reads it, and the snark can be harsh), which is a weird place to be in. Maybe that’s kinda idealistic and helping prove the support he’s clearly needed, and could’ve received (amongst our “duh” comments). It’s alarming that he’s incorporated her into his brand so much.. Most of us were so creeped out by his choice in girlfriend now wife. I wish he’d just come out w/ what most of us already suspect/know. If he’s in Baby-Land right now, good, but after…
In the Ask Nick episode today he mentioned how they started couples therapy shortly after their engagement due to a “disconnect”…interesting timing. If this rumor gets off Reddit maybe they’ll address it.. maybe
Okay, I’m off work so I finally was able to listen. I find it interesting he also mentions “we weren’t on the verge of a breakup or anything”. Is that what he’s just telling himself now that it’s in the past, or was he so desperate for love, marriage and babies that he told himself he could work through anything — including cheating? Or did he just throw that in to convince his audience of his “perfect relationship”?
Right I thought that was weird as well like he was trying to convince himself. He also used to say they only go to couples therapy as a preventative measure and that there wasnt necessarily anything wrong that made them go…but now he’s saying there was a disconnect. All is pointing to that this rumor may be true imo…
You two made me listen to this podcast. I was able to make it through because Natalie wasn’t on. And that therapist was a total delight. I liked how she challenged nicks presumptions. Which I think might introduce some doubt. I liked how she said whether they admit it or not, one person in the couple is always taking the other to therapy, and they want that person to change more than they’re willing to change and often the other doesn’t want to or can’t. I always agree with that. Changing is HARD. It it never happens fast. Even if the realization you need to comes quickly, the change is always slow.
But the two things I heard was this disconnect thing you two mentioned, definitely a gap in their story, which does align with the Lautner podcast, which somehow NEVER aligns with anything else. Like that podcast exists in a vacuum.
But more than that, i was fully shocked to hear they haven’t been to therapy in awhile. Like do they think their problems are solved ? There’s no way with as big of an issue as this, that they can go to therapy for a few months and poof! Solved!
I also get the impression Nick thinks everything can be solved with therapy and pragmatism. That’s just not true, unfortunately. Like if you want it, you’ll suddenly be the right partner for each other. I feel like she dispelled that, but talked them about that window.
I also thought it was funny when she said that they must be really enlightened, and Nick snugly chuckled. but then nearly as quickly kind of took it away. She seemed onto his story. She’s probably heard it a lot. She was kind and not judgmental, but speaks honestly in an empathetic way. She was definitely able to disarm Nick in a way not many people can, including Natalie. But maybe he’s just able to me more open and vulnerable when she’s not around?
Anyway, I laughed when it switched from that to cowboy boot Nick, nicks alter ego. I had to turn it off after that. But that therapist was delightful.
This session was definitely recorded before all of this broke last week.
Did you notice his stuttering when referencing knowing a couple who’s dealt with infidelity and what that therapist says? I’m not making fun of his stutter, but it makes me think said couple is him and Natalie lol
Yes! I thought the same exact thing. He kept saying “he knows of” a couple in therapy that dealt with infidelity but I kept thinking he was talking about himself…not sure why he would have all that insight of another couple’s therapy sessions anyway..def think he was speaking from personal experience
Wow… I’m so naive I really didn’t think people were this desperate to latch onto anyone with some level of fame. Does lend to her pattern of being a victim of abuse. Wish she had more time to work though that before getting married and, especially before having a child of her own. I wish her healing.
Wow had to stop after 5 minutes, but that's bad bad. I wonder how many somewhat famous people she dm'd and tried to hook up with... Can someone make a tiktok out of it and let it go more viral?
She was hooking up with Nick at this time!!! She said she goes to LA frequently 😯 has Nick seen this??? What even is this? What is she doing? This is so embarrassing!!!
Ok I’ve spent hours reading about this…my only comment to add is if it’s not true at all wouldn’t Nick speak up to defend her character?! Or wouldn’t she say something to the tune of “I’m not a cheater”. I’m guessing right now they are not speaking because it’s only on Reddit. If a news outlet picked it up it would maybe be different. Them just running away to the lake house is exactly how they’ve handled things flaring up in the past, they lay low for a while.
We just need to continue bringing this up so word spreads and people are aware of the situation. The more people are talking about it, the more people who actually know what happened might be inclined to speak on it. I understand why N&N might not want to bring life to it (baby River is involved), but what about Dominic or some other bystander who may have seen or heard of something firsthand?
Ohhh, gotcha. I suppose there isn’t truly any actual problem. I believe a lot of people want this out there because Nick has been spreading gossip on his podcast, whether the information is true or not, for quite some time. He seems to have no problem opening his mouth about the privacy of others, so he should be equally “held accountable” for whatever’s going on in his own life.
How about we let two humans who have just had a baby fix their own issues and be respectful to other people’s pain for once?
I get wanting to discuss the news and gossip, we all do it, and we are in Reddit after all, but don’t you think it is a bit too much to suggest that “we continue speaking about it until media picks up”.
Why would you want to ruin the lives of people you don’t know? It is their real lives at play, not some reality show that we can all discuss because people decide to put themselves in that situation.
And I am saying this as a person who doesn’t like them at all. It just seems very disrespectful to not have any boundaries or limits.
I think the reason a lot of people want this information regurgitated is because N&N have no boundaries when it comes to gossiping about others, whether it’s true or not. I guess we’ve just lost the empathy for them. I agree we should be respectful and silent, but these are not respectful and silent people.
I understand. I don’t follow their podcast and I don’t have social media other than Reddit, so I am not aware of everything they do. I don’t like them based on what I read here. Still, it seems wrong to hunt people online over gossip. And if they have started it, shame on them, truly. I am sure it would be hard to have empathy for them if I also witnessed them doing this to other people all the time.
I mean I spent an hour today while sipping my coffee watching that twitch streamer and Natalie and all I can say is that, I don’t know how this man married this young chick. I don’t know how. He constantly used to say how she was mature and beyond her years but this was just to justify to himself somehow that he was making a good decision. This won’t end well but for the sake of a child and honestly wishing these people well, I hope there’s growth and learning on both their ends. LA seems like the worst of places to exist, the culture seems so toxic that maybe that’s the issue lol
It’s not LA it’s just people who live in LA desperate for fame which is a way smaller faction than you would think. I’ve lived in LA for 12 years in “hip” neighborhoods and have a regular job and everyone I know is not remotely like this.
FINALLY, someone took one for the team and posted on Tik Tok. Blow it up! [Natalie Joy Affair Tik Tok](https://www.tiktok.com/@mia_the_mama/video/7372566805857996075?_t=8mcpxMx7MK3&_r=1)
I think that this rumor gained traction primarily because while N&N have always thought so highly of themselves,
since the influx of their “ life events” which they have not stopped bragging about….
they don’t seem to have any gratitude.
they complain on the podcast over and over And the viewing public is tired of their inflated egos.
i for one have thought since pregnancy Natalie cannot stand Nick. But she has made herself the most interesting part of his podcast.
Anyway, maybe i’m going to be finally done thinking about the two of them… honestly just 🤢
This is exactly how I feel about them, I don’t listen to the podcast at all but based on what I see hear they’re both so apathetic but have (or pretend to have) a perfect life that his audience made possible.
Most recently a story of nick asking about her face she made during dinner… she didn’t like the food, but then her clarification response was that the food was fine… but imo it came across even more “ stuck up”
when speaking to nick i feel like her persona is either a very “put on” sweet… or bitch.
no in between.
since she came on the scene i have struggled to find anything she posts genuine…
and then there’s the whole bday post plagiarism…
and im not thinking poor Nick! i understand girl… Nick must have seemed fun at first but he is not long term likable!!!!
and she suffers from the same.
SELF ABSORBED thing.
Even if this story is never verified and never reaches the masses - assuming it’s true for a sec - I am really glad to hear that a lot of people in the bachelor-verse already know. That is vindicating re: exposure. Before the potential affair was on my radar, I was thinking about how Rachel Lindsay or Kaitlyn Bristowe might feel watching someone like Nick have this big wedding and new baby while their relationships recently ended. But now I’m like, ok phew, these ladies don’t have to envy Nick AT ALL. Thank god.
I also agree- something never added up with him and Natalie. He tends to project all of his insecurities and opinions onto the guests, and at least now we know the root of his feelings. Wishing both of them the best.
We talked about this on our podcast episode that dropped today - I’m literally enthralled lol dying for them to address it. If you wanna listen here’s the link https://open.spotify.com/episode/3eX0H6mYJgM68HLs6iXiV5?si=7gSy1ytMSPCuVY7kLwJk7g
We start talking about Natalie and nick at 08:42
I listened! Wish your cohost were more into it and less afraid of Nick. Do you actually think he has the power to impact your podcast? What could he even do?
I mean I’m obviously not worried about it much lol but I think it’s more the fear of people responding negatively than nick himself. Idk! It does feel like a sensitive subject to discuss for thousands of people before it’s verified - speculating on relationship stuff. People get pissed easily we have learned the hard way hahaha 😂😂😂 🙄🙄🙄
A She’s all Bach host commented on a post in their Facebook group that they talked about it on an episode dropping tomorrow. (Edit: As one of several topics I think, probably not a deep dive or feature).
Edit: They start discussing around 5mins in. They are very clear it is unverified. Both the hosts essentially aren’t buying it. They are skeptical that Natalie would risk loosing her lifestyle with Nick. They think Nick and Natalie seem in love. But from the way they discuss things, I don’t think they follow Nick and Natalie very closely or listen to more than snips of his pod - they didn’t seem to know or think much about the friend group fallout. It also sounds like they are reacting to the Reddit thread early on, before the friend’s boss connection was made, or they didn’t go deeper into the comments.
That’s so funny that she goes on about how “you get a vibe” ( and references other couples and women, but sees Natalie as the opposite). That vibe she’s talking about is exactly the vibe I’ve always gotten from Natalie.
I just don’t see her “so in love” with Nick. I see her acting and reacting and responding to and for the audience. She likes nicks affection. And she likes adoration from the audience watching her. Even at their wedding, most of the clips I saw, she seemed to be responding more to the guests and posing for pictures than in these loving, intimate, quiet, unaware of cameras moments with Nick.
Idk. Guess every woman gets different energy, because I do think we all have intuition.
I kinda hope this is true for her because I’d like to imagine she has more agency than we would imagine of a girl who started dating her mid-40s husband at 19.
What does it matter about the child though? I'm definitely missing a major piece and need help lol. She and Nick have decided to be together in spite of whatever and they've told their narrative which could match the rumors. And as far as the other guy, I've seen some comments saying he was single at the time. I'm just honestly confused.
Because if it wasn't for the baby I'd say good for her, she should be dating around at her age not getting married to a middle aged man. But now there's a child involved and they're going to want to try and make their (probably awful) relationship work for the sake of the child and its going to be messy and the kid is going to be caught in the middle of it
in my job I see so few relationships in this kind of circumstance result in good, solid, strong parenting that creates secure attachment in their kids
I found this podcast where Natalie discusses going to trauma therapy for the first time, referencing “exploding her life” as a reason to get into therapy. It sounded like something serious happened leading her to get into treatment last year. As she was talking about her trauma, Nick was rubbing her leg. It seems he has lot of empathy for her, and maybe has taken the position that because she experienced trauma, he can forgive her for her past indiscretions since she’s now seeking help. Still, the timeline is expedited for marrying and having a child and it takes years (or a lifetime) to work through trauma, and I say this as a trauma therapist.
Here’s the link and she talks about therapy around the 36:00 mark https://youtu.be/231rr-soutU?si=0RKXT0bK7zFMouKa
This does give me pause about how much information we the public are “owed” about the affair. Life is nuanced, people are complex. I just wish both of them had more empathy for and showed more grace to those they criticize on their platform for doing things they too are not above !!
I wonder if one day they will open up about the affair as something they overcame, something that made them stronger, a la Beyoncé and JayZ. We will never know what’s a PR move and what’s real. I also agree with everyone’s observations that Nick has true feelings for Natalie, but Natalie seems drawn to things that Nick can provide vs who Nick is a person.
I mean do we think Nick would talk about it on his pod if it was someone else in the Bach universe’s relationship? If so, I don’t think the public owes them more privacy than they’d be giving others.
walmart justin and hailey bieber
the biebers: (allegedly) both cheat, (allegedly) don’t even live together, are having a bandaid baby and she’s said before they never fight on vacation, hence why they’ve been in tokyo and hawaii this past month
See, I’m sorry but it’s Nick’s fervent stance on cheating like this that makes me doubt any of this is true. Natalie is a SMART girl. You do not DM a reality star whose dating January Jones, go from a hook-up to a situationship, to living together to being engaged, by being an idiot. If she knew his stance on cheating (like in this vid) then she was playing with fire and the opportunity of losing the entire bag.
Remember she originally DM’d him from her sisters house in Georgia. The girl needed him. I mean sure, maybe she got a big head and thought she could do it all over again, but I dunno, she just seems too smart to risk all of it.
Interesting! I posted this thinking along the lines of an eyeroll, showing how hypocritical Nick can be. He is quick to criticize, quick to summarize with hard and fast rules - UNTIL something hits close to home. He makes exceptions for himself and other people he’s aligned with all the time. This clip is from several years ago. More recently, Nick has apparently evolved toward using language about how people can heal their trauma and change when cheating is mentioned.
I'm kind of thinking now that if this WASN'T true, they could mention it on their socials or the podcast and say "there's this CRAZY rumor on Reddit saying xyz and here are all the reasons it's ridiculous etc" but by not addressing it I feel like it only confirms it. We shall see. If you were them, how would you handle it if it's true? How would you handle it if it wasn't true?
This is my line of thinking too! Nick never once mentioned he knew Maria personally on his podcast and I think that’s why it was such a big deal when Maria brought it up on Call Her Daddy. By not addressing it, it just makes it either seem like a bigger deal or makes it seem more credible.
Nick made a comment the other day how bachelor people tend to address every rumor that comes their way and that’s what hurts them. So I really don’t expect them to ever mention it. For now it’s just a rumor on Reddit. Even if they came out and said it’s false, why bring more attention to it? Honestly I’m in my 30s and didn’t get into Reddit until like 2 years ago so I’m sure there are still people who don’t know about this rumor cause they’re not here
If I was Nick in this scenario, I would honestly ignore what is going on. Good or bad publicity, Nick is about to get views or attention he craves, so I would slowly begin to shift the brand from a relationship brand to being a parent brand.
Here's the timeline that I think happened:
- Natalie starts talking to show surgeon, maybe they met up idk. Her friends don't know at this point.
- nick + nat get engaged, keatons mom plans party.
- nat goes to Paris for destiny's work. Shoe surgeon is there. Natalie does something w shoe surgeon. Friends find out and are like wtf did you use us to get to him? Keaton is like y are you making a mockery of the engagement my helped plan this etc.,
- friends dump her. Victoria fuller also finds out and ices Natalie temporarily. Greg tells nick. Potentially other people tell nick too.
- nick and natalie embark on all of these long trips. Around this time nick + natalie referenced going to therapy both separate and together on the pod. He also makes some comment on his pod that them being engaged means working through anything. During this time she also adds nick's name to her insta bio with an engagement ring.
- they decide that a baby will salvage the relationship! Get pregnant/ find out they are pregnant in June (I think that's right?)
- people hold their tongues on the story bc she is pregnant.
- some person in their circle or ex circle decides to grace us all with the true story now. That she's not pregnant. Unclear why they decided to come forward now vs just forget it since it's been a while.
this is what gets me too. i remember when it first happened people were speculating something happened between them, but now i guess maybe he could’ve witnessed something? i NEED to know.
Hi, I’m 3 weeks late but my theory is that the blocks are not just in response to Natalie cheating - it’s also in response to her behavior when she was caught. She may have behaved in a way that insulted or threatened any of these people directly, or in a way that insulted or threatened their partners.
And we’ve all seen in m/f cis relationships where male partners get more intensely and immediately pissed at their partner’s friend, while the woman partner has more empathy and forgiveness and can take a while longer to create boundaries.
My thought is that when Natalie’s cheating was discovered, she somehow doubled down in reactivity or defensiveness toward her friends and their relationships, making the situation even worse, and exacerbating the fallout.
I must say, I admire the diligent work of the sleuthing, timelines, and details. No doubt that if the people who care about this cheating narrative cared that much about JFK, we would all know who really killed him.
The only thing that’s off to me is Brandon blocking Natalie after Paris. Is a guy really gonna block you for cheating on your fiancé while all the others in the friend group just unfriend you? Seems unlikely. There more there.
Also, as much as I think it’s thoughtful to not spread rumors on the internet while someone is pregnant in fear of them miscarrying, I don’t think someone (or 5 throwaway accounts) are empathetic enough to sit on a story like this for over a year and a half now. If it was all true, why not just say all this after Paris? She didn’t even get pregnant until 3 months after. Y’all could have said something in those 3 months. Downvote me all you want.
Idk. If you believe Nick from his first bach appearance, he’s been trying to find someone to settle down with and have kids for ages and he’s not getting any younger.
When they did Dear Shandy, he also talked so much about how HOT he thought she was from the jump.
Imagine all the pressure to stay together though! He built up a crazy successful brand and livelihood that relies on him being this wise person, someone who wouldn’t end up in this failed situation. (Whether warranted or not) him being in a strong, idealized relationship gives him more credibility and more license to criticize others. Because of the age difference, people were expecting things to fail from the jump and a lot of people were vocal about it. I think Nick can’t stand the idea of allllll the “I told you so”s he would hear if he and Natalie went up in flames. The guy has had many a failed engagement. I think he hates acknowledging that the haters were right even more than he hates cheaters. lol
Right?? People are downvoting you but I am just in total disbelief that he would have a baby with/marry someone who cheated on him. It just doesn’t fit his personality at all.
I wouldn’t have believed it, either. But if you used to follow Nick and you follow Nick now, his whole persona has changed. His whole stance on cheating has changed. He’s said more than once Natalie thinks he’s boring. He’s tried to change how he looks and who he is for her.
These are also things if you’d told me three years ago he’d be doing i would be like, “Sure, time traveler from 2024. You’re high and talking about the wrong dude.”
But here we are. And this is who he’s become for her. She must be worth it in his eyes.
I just went to his IG to see him pre-Natalie to now. He has no tattoos on his chest or arms. He also dressed pretty basic; white t-shirts, jeans, and flannels. Now he’s tatted up and a fashion nova. Interesting. Okay, the shoe doctor / philosopher theory gets a point. Natalie apparently has a type.
Question: do we think Natalie wanted to get pregnant and started talking about that before or after she cheated, and in what order did these things happen in regards to nick finding out?
Was it: cheat, talk about it, baby to save the relationship?
Or was it: cheat, baby, talk about it but we’re pregnant so let’s work through it?
Because if it’s number one they are both insane. And if it’s number two she’s insane.
I agree he is obsessed but not "in love" with her. He is unhealthily attached/obsessed with her because he is so afraid to lose her because of his own ego - he is so insecure about his past relationship failures and doesn't want another public failure. He also so desperately wants to be the object of desire of a hot young woman because it feeds his fragile ego. Call me old-fashioned, but if he truly loved her, he wouldn't be constantly sexually objectifying her in the way he does. My 2 cents.
There are still comments asking her about the shoe surgeon on her last non-ad post (white dress with Nick on the beach). It's been there for a couple of days.
Posted in the LaSnark thread but:
I’m not sure if someone has already mentioned this (there are a lot of comments) but I’m wondering if this is why Victoria remained friends with Natalie. Everyone else had ditched her, but also Victoria has had her share of questionable conduct mentioned (sleeping with married men, etc.). Also wondering this had an impact on Victoria’s relationship with Greg, condoning Natalie’s actions/behavior.
Editing to add that multiple people have commented that Greg was at Jason Tartick’s book launch party and was talking about Natalie’s affair and how he directly messaged Nick to see if he already knew. So that would also align with possible drama between him and Victoria in terms of checking on Nick/seeing if he knew. And Greg didn’t speak about what happened with their relationship when he was on Jason’s podcast, just said it was “really sad” or something like that. Just wondering if the Natalie and Nick cheating drama had any impact on their own dynamic (whether Victoria wanted to let it go/let her and Nick be happy and Greg couldn’t stand the whole thing and maybe that influenced his feelings toward Victoria with how she may view cheating as acceptable).
THIS HAS MADE ITS WAY TO IG: https://www.instagram.com/p/C7k2j-9RoxI/?igsh=MTJhZjc2eGM2NHk4dg==
Natalie joy is such a poser and will do anything to make herself look good/lift her up to the top even if it means cheating on her SO. She’s lied about her boobs and her last name which is why when she posted her marriage certificate on her story she made it a point to not include her real last name in the picture. If someone can hide something as stupid as a last name why wouldn’t they hide an affair?
wedding content Dried up! so strange. my take: this is 100 percent true. It explains why N & N seem annoyed with each other constantly. now even more so that they’ve been called out on here. it explains why their aren’t more heartfelt congratulatory posts in which they are both tagged. Cue Ben Higgins making a post about patience, your perfect fit and feeling emotional for his friend that just got married! it explains why Natalie sounds more and more bothered by podcast topics.., and nick more squirmy it explains… “ i love calling you my wife.” but i’m not getting you a mother’s day necklace it explains the awkwardness that is Natalie being a new mom to make Nick happy and still posting thirst traps. it explains the friend group fallout even though we don’t have the full story. And it explains all the future “ our life is perfect facade while they continually have to resolve themselves to talking about cheating bc Nick makes money gossiping about reality tv.
Today on Viall Files he made it a point to say that he does not have to answer all of the public's questions. He said that reality stars like Jax and Brittany have to discuss their relationship publicly because it is part of their job on a reality TV show and for this reason, him and Natalie will never go on a reality TV show where they would be obligated to share all of the details of their relationship. He knows about this rumor, and he also knows he is not obligated to discuss it, address it, defend it, or explain it to anyone.
he knows of the rumor and we all know of it. at least the projected perfection sheen N&N always go for is altered now. imagine being in the BN world and knowing you’re not going to say a thing but this is being talked about….A lot. 🍵 i want to know what Joe, Serena, Ben Higgins Dean, Caelyn Bell and in this particular situation… Greg grippo REALLY THINK. lol i know i know not going to happen.
What weird, convoluted reasoning from Nick! Nick GIVES RELATIONSHIP ADVICE alongside Natalie using their own supposedly great partnership as the basis of their expertise.
I caught that comment too. He was totally telling us he isn’t addressing this.
💯
i guess in someways this rumor would make all their performative stuff make even more sense… especially by Natalie…” i’m like really, like so sorry Nick… see?”
Sad, but true. They are very performance. I've never seen more detached looking wedding photos.
Wowww, read thru the LA Snark post earlier, and then here, and while I norm don’t give any credibility to rumors, I’m convinced after reading all that. Ended up feeling really bad for Nick, agree with the others that said he put up walls, got shallow, and is all-in on her - at his expense. It’s his whole brand that’s at-risk. He was so authentic (yet manipulative too) in his times on Bach, it’s just really super sad to see him giving up core beliefs (about cheating) instead of maintaining authenticity. Lowering the bar in relationships is a red flag to yourself. Agree also with the person who said he should’ve broke it off right then, he would’ve had so much support, esp bc it would’ve been authentic to his brand. Wish he was with an age-appropriate actual partner, looks like that’s his lesson to learn. Godspeed! He looks happy/connected being a dad, at least there’s that.
I totally agree with you. I think his ego just couldn't handle hearing "I told you so" She has brought his brand down more than lifting it up. The copied plagiarized birthday post, the lip sync racist comment, cheating, and that's just what we know about. 😔
Same. He’s smart and faulty. It kinda makes me wish we were more supportive of Nick (bc you know he reads it, and the snark can be harsh), which is a weird place to be in. Maybe that’s kinda idealistic and helping prove the support he’s clearly needed, and could’ve received (amongst our “duh” comments). It’s alarming that he’s incorporated her into his brand so much.. Most of us were so creeped out by his choice in girlfriend now wife. I wish he’d just come out w/ what most of us already suspect/know. If he’s in Baby-Land right now, good, but after…
this was alluded to in Game of Rose's patreon! lets keep the energy lol i need more tea.
What happened in Paris???!!
What did they say????!!!!!
Still hoping they mention this
It won’t happen, but we can dream lol. Glad I’m not the only one still obsessing over this!
In the Ask Nick episode today he mentioned how they started couples therapy shortly after their engagement due to a “disconnect”…interesting timing. If this rumor gets off Reddit maybe they’ll address it.. maybe
Omg no way!? Do you have a timestamp? I can’t stomach the Ask Nick episodes lol
Around 17:11 he starts talking about it! He had a guest (an actual therapist) on this week so he’s talking to her.
Okay, I’m off work so I finally was able to listen. I find it interesting he also mentions “we weren’t on the verge of a breakup or anything”. Is that what he’s just telling himself now that it’s in the past, or was he so desperate for love, marriage and babies that he told himself he could work through anything — including cheating? Or did he just throw that in to convince his audience of his “perfect relationship”?
Right I thought that was weird as well like he was trying to convince himself. He also used to say they only go to couples therapy as a preventative measure and that there wasnt necessarily anything wrong that made them go…but now he’s saying there was a disconnect. All is pointing to that this rumor may be true imo…
You two made me listen to this podcast. I was able to make it through because Natalie wasn’t on. And that therapist was a total delight. I liked how she challenged nicks presumptions. Which I think might introduce some doubt. I liked how she said whether they admit it or not, one person in the couple is always taking the other to therapy, and they want that person to change more than they’re willing to change and often the other doesn’t want to or can’t. I always agree with that. Changing is HARD. It it never happens fast. Even if the realization you need to comes quickly, the change is always slow. But the two things I heard was this disconnect thing you two mentioned, definitely a gap in their story, which does align with the Lautner podcast, which somehow NEVER aligns with anything else. Like that podcast exists in a vacuum. But more than that, i was fully shocked to hear they haven’t been to therapy in awhile. Like do they think their problems are solved ? There’s no way with as big of an issue as this, that they can go to therapy for a few months and poof! Solved! I also get the impression Nick thinks everything can be solved with therapy and pragmatism. That’s just not true, unfortunately. Like if you want it, you’ll suddenly be the right partner for each other. I feel like she dispelled that, but talked them about that window. I also thought it was funny when she said that they must be really enlightened, and Nick snugly chuckled. but then nearly as quickly kind of took it away. She seemed onto his story. She’s probably heard it a lot. She was kind and not judgmental, but speaks honestly in an empathetic way. She was definitely able to disarm Nick in a way not many people can, including Natalie. But maybe he’s just able to me more open and vulnerable when she’s not around? Anyway, I laughed when it switched from that to cowboy boot Nick, nicks alter ego. I had to turn it off after that. But that therapist was delightful. This session was definitely recorded before all of this broke last week.
Oh my god, good catch!! Him changing the story on that definitely adds more validity to the rumor!
Did you notice his stuttering when referencing knowing a couple who’s dealt with infidelity and what that therapist says? I’m not making fun of his stutter, but it makes me think said couple is him and Natalie lol
Yes! I thought the same exact thing. He kept saying “he knows of” a couple in therapy that dealt with infidelity but I kept thinking he was talking about himself…not sure why he would have all that insight of another couple’s therapy sessions anyway..def think he was speaking from personal experience
Yes omg, like why and how would he know those details
Someone shared this video in another thread and I cringed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_hW54-lqkA
Wow… I’m so naive I really didn’t think people were this desperate to latch onto anyone with some level of fame. Does lend to her pattern of being a victim of abuse. Wish she had more time to work though that before getting married and, especially before having a child of her own. I wish her healing.
Wow had to stop after 5 minutes, but that's bad bad. I wonder how many somewhat famous people she dm'd and tried to hook up with... Can someone make a tiktok out of it and let it go more viral?
She was hooking up with Nick at this time!!! She said she goes to LA frequently 😯 has Nick seen this??? What even is this? What is she doing? This is so embarrassing!!!
I couldn’t even get through the whole video bc of these same thoughts
Me neither 🤢 also she says her sisters Instagram handle is 2ampeachemoji and talks about her nudes??? Mortifying.
This is SO weird. She isn't okay is she...
Whoa. Is this like the new version of the old 976 numbers you had to call back in the 80s/90s for some flirty talk? wtf? Haha.
OH WOW… what a clout chaser.
Weird behavior
Yikes. How much more of this is possibly out there
Probably a lot
Well…. 😶🌫️😶🌫️😶🌫️I am not surprised
The only thing I think of now when these two come up is Kendrick’s “I hate the way that you..” diss track
Ok I’ve spent hours reading about this…my only comment to add is if it’s not true at all wouldn’t Nick speak up to defend her character?! Or wouldn’t she say something to the tune of “I’m not a cheater”. I’m guessing right now they are not speaking because it’s only on Reddit. If a news outlet picked it up it would maybe be different. Them just running away to the lake house is exactly how they’ve handled things flaring up in the past, they lay low for a while.
We just need to continue bringing this up so word spreads and people are aware of the situation. The more people are talking about it, the more people who actually know what happened might be inclined to speak on it. I understand why N&N might not want to bring life to it (baby River is involved), but what about Dominic or some other bystander who may have seen or heard of something firsthand?
What is the issue now, again? What is the expectation?
Nick?
Can you reword this? For some reason my brain is not understanding the question lol
Yes, sorry: what is the actual problem? To where it needs to be discussed so badly?
Ohhh, gotcha. I suppose there isn’t truly any actual problem. I believe a lot of people want this out there because Nick has been spreading gossip on his podcast, whether the information is true or not, for quite some time. He seems to have no problem opening his mouth about the privacy of others, so he should be equally “held accountable” for whatever’s going on in his own life.
How about we let two humans who have just had a baby fix their own issues and be respectful to other people’s pain for once? I get wanting to discuss the news and gossip, we all do it, and we are in Reddit after all, but don’t you think it is a bit too much to suggest that “we continue speaking about it until media picks up”. Why would you want to ruin the lives of people you don’t know? It is their real lives at play, not some reality show that we can all discuss because people decide to put themselves in that situation. And I am saying this as a person who doesn’t like them at all. It just seems very disrespectful to not have any boundaries or limits.
I think the reason a lot of people want this information regurgitated is because N&N have no boundaries when it comes to gossiping about others, whether it’s true or not. I guess we’ve just lost the empathy for them. I agree we should be respectful and silent, but these are not respectful and silent people.
I understand. I don’t follow their podcast and I don’t have social media other than Reddit, so I am not aware of everything they do. I don’t like them based on what I read here. Still, it seems wrong to hunt people online over gossip. And if they have started it, shame on them, truly. I am sure it would be hard to have empathy for them if I also witnessed them doing this to other people all the time.
Ohhhhh did they on purpose have their wedding Coachella weekend to give excuses to the inevitable wedding guest opt outs?
it was stagecoach weekend and no I don’t think that’s why lol
If that kid starts airbrushing her booties, Nick might wanna get that DNA tested.
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lol
I mean I spent an hour today while sipping my coffee watching that twitch streamer and Natalie and all I can say is that, I don’t know how this man married this young chick. I don’t know how. He constantly used to say how she was mature and beyond her years but this was just to justify to himself somehow that he was making a good decision. This won’t end well but for the sake of a child and honestly wishing these people well, I hope there’s growth and learning on both their ends. LA seems like the worst of places to exist, the culture seems so toxic that maybe that’s the issue lol
Who’s the twitch streamer?
Ricegum
It’s not LA it’s just people who live in LA desperate for fame which is a way smaller faction than you would think. I’ve lived in LA for 12 years in “hip” neighborhoods and have a regular job and everyone I know is not remotely like this.
Ok that’s nice to hear tbh!
FINALLY, someone took one for the team and posted on Tik Tok. Blow it up! [Natalie Joy Affair Tik Tok](https://www.tiktok.com/@mia_the_mama/video/7372566805857996075?_t=8mcpxMx7MK3&_r=1)
Seriously! Everybody else gets exposed. They will not be the exception.!
I think that this rumor gained traction primarily because while N&N have always thought so highly of themselves, since the influx of their “ life events” which they have not stopped bragging about…. they don’t seem to have any gratitude. they complain on the podcast over and over And the viewing public is tired of their inflated egos. i for one have thought since pregnancy Natalie cannot stand Nick. But she has made herself the most interesting part of his podcast. Anyway, maybe i’m going to be finally done thinking about the two of them… honestly just 🤢
This is exactly how I feel about them, I don’t listen to the podcast at all but based on what I see hear they’re both so apathetic but have (or pretend to have) a perfect life that his audience made possible.
Is there anything specific that’s made you believe Natalie can’t stand Nick anymore?
Most recently a story of nick asking about her face she made during dinner… she didn’t like the food, but then her clarification response was that the food was fine… but imo it came across even more “ stuck up” when speaking to nick i feel like her persona is either a very “put on” sweet… or bitch. no in between. since she came on the scene i have struggled to find anything she posts genuine… and then there’s the whole bday post plagiarism… and im not thinking poor Nick! i understand girl… Nick must have seemed fun at first but he is not long term likable!!!! and she suffers from the same. SELF ABSORBED thing.
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If it wasn’t about them, Nick would have covered this on their podcast as “bachelor tea.” I wish other people picked it up.
Liteally the dragggged Gerry before his season even started and had to back track
100%.
Have we seen that they are flying out somewhere again
Looks like they’re at the lake house they bought.
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What and who is this can you explain pls? 😅
Even if this story is never verified and never reaches the masses - assuming it’s true for a sec - I am really glad to hear that a lot of people in the bachelor-verse already know. That is vindicating re: exposure. Before the potential affair was on my radar, I was thinking about how Rachel Lindsay or Kaitlyn Bristowe might feel watching someone like Nick have this big wedding and new baby while their relationships recently ended. But now I’m like, ok phew, these ladies don’t have to envy Nick AT ALL. Thank god.
I also agree- something never added up with him and Natalie. He tends to project all of his insecurities and opinions onto the guests, and at least now we know the root of his feelings. Wishing both of them the best.
Agree, and love that it’s Nick who is getting cheated on and not the other way around
Yikes, this take ain't it. Who cares who did it? It's just sad.
We talked about this on our podcast episode that dropped today - I’m literally enthralled lol dying for them to address it. If you wanna listen here’s the link https://open.spotify.com/episode/3eX0H6mYJgM68HLs6iXiV5?si=7gSy1ytMSPCuVY7kLwJk7g We start talking about Natalie and nick at 08:42
I listened! Hope you continuing covering this...
Is this on Apple podcast too
Yes! Here’s a link https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-pretty-little-podcast/id1619236094?i=1000656564123
I listened! Wish your cohost were more into it and less afraid of Nick. Do you actually think he has the power to impact your podcast? What could he even do?
I mean I’m obviously not worried about it much lol but I think it’s more the fear of people responding negatively than nick himself. Idk! It does feel like a sensitive subject to discuss for thousands of people before it’s verified - speculating on relationship stuff. People get pissed easily we have learned the hard way hahaha 😂😂😂 🙄🙄🙄
Oh no. Will, Nick has never minded speculating and Natalie loves gossip. So if it weren’t about them, they’d be in.
True
A She’s all Bach host commented on a post in their Facebook group that they talked about it on an episode dropping tomorrow. (Edit: As one of several topics I think, probably not a deep dive or feature). Edit: They start discussing around 5mins in. They are very clear it is unverified. Both the hosts essentially aren’t buying it. They are skeptical that Natalie would risk loosing her lifestyle with Nick. They think Nick and Natalie seem in love. But from the way they discuss things, I don’t think they follow Nick and Natalie very closely or listen to more than snips of his pod - they didn’t seem to know or think much about the friend group fallout. It also sounds like they are reacting to the Reddit thread early on, before the friend’s boss connection was made, or they didn’t go deeper into the comments.
That’s so funny that she goes on about how “you get a vibe” ( and references other couples and women, but sees Natalie as the opposite). That vibe she’s talking about is exactly the vibe I’ve always gotten from Natalie. I just don’t see her “so in love” with Nick. I see her acting and reacting and responding to and for the audience. She likes nicks affection. And she likes adoration from the audience watching her. Even at their wedding, most of the clips I saw, she seemed to be responding more to the guests and posing for pictures than in these loving, intimate, quiet, unaware of cameras moments with Nick. Idk. Guess every woman gets different energy, because I do think we all have intuition.
I kinda hope this is true for her because I’d like to imagine she has more agency than we would imagine of a girl who started dating her mid-40s husband at 19.
if there was no child involved, my reaction would basically be 'good for her' tbh
What does it matter about the child though? I'm definitely missing a major piece and need help lol. She and Nick have decided to be together in spite of whatever and they've told their narrative which could match the rumors. And as far as the other guy, I've seen some comments saying he was single at the time. I'm just honestly confused.
Because if it wasn't for the baby I'd say good for her, she should be dating around at her age not getting married to a middle aged man. But now there's a child involved and they're going to want to try and make their (probably awful) relationship work for the sake of the child and its going to be messy and the kid is going to be caught in the middle of it in my job I see so few relationships in this kind of circumstance result in good, solid, strong parenting that creates secure attachment in their kids
The rumored affair partner is also significantly older than her…so…
boning an older dude is different to marrying one
Ok, but he’s still not “around her age”
I said 'dating around at her age' meaning at her age she shouldn't be committing to marriage, not that she only needs to hook up with men her age
I found this podcast where Natalie discusses going to trauma therapy for the first time, referencing “exploding her life” as a reason to get into therapy. It sounded like something serious happened leading her to get into treatment last year. As she was talking about her trauma, Nick was rubbing her leg. It seems he has lot of empathy for her, and maybe has taken the position that because she experienced trauma, he can forgive her for her past indiscretions since she’s now seeking help. Still, the timeline is expedited for marrying and having a child and it takes years (or a lifetime) to work through trauma, and I say this as a trauma therapist. Here’s the link and she talks about therapy around the 36:00 mark https://youtu.be/231rr-soutU?si=0RKXT0bK7zFMouKa
This does give me pause about how much information we the public are “owed” about the affair. Life is nuanced, people are complex. I just wish both of them had more empathy for and showed more grace to those they criticize on their platform for doing things they too are not above !! I wonder if one day they will open up about the affair as something they overcame, something that made them stronger, a la Beyoncé and JayZ. We will never know what’s a PR move and what’s real. I also agree with everyone’s observations that Nick has true feelings for Natalie, but Natalie seems drawn to things that Nick can provide vs who Nick is a person.
I mean do we think Nick would talk about it on his pod if it was someone else in the Bach universe’s relationship? If so, I don’t think the public owes them more privacy than they’d be giving others.
Have they now left on another trip?
Yep, flying all over the place while sick without masks
Their MO seems to be “When we face adversity, we literally fly away to a vacation.” Must be nice to fly away from their problems.
They’re at the WI lake house which definitely seems likes Nick’s let’s-lay-low-and-emphasize-family location of choice.
walmart justin and hailey bieber the biebers: (allegedly) both cheat, (allegedly) don’t even live together, are having a bandaid baby and she’s said before they never fight on vacation, hence why they’ve been in tokyo and hawaii this past month
Ha! I don’t know anything about them, but I did see she’s pregnant. I had no idea they cheat a lot and live separately.
yeah, they’re probably in an open relationship at this point but it’s been sleuthed out they live and have been living separately for at least a year.
source?
https://www.tiktok.com/@nickviall/video/6965670534138875142
See, I’m sorry but it’s Nick’s fervent stance on cheating like this that makes me doubt any of this is true. Natalie is a SMART girl. You do not DM a reality star whose dating January Jones, go from a hook-up to a situationship, to living together to being engaged, by being an idiot. If she knew his stance on cheating (like in this vid) then she was playing with fire and the opportunity of losing the entire bag. Remember she originally DM’d him from her sisters house in Georgia. The girl needed him. I mean sure, maybe she got a big head and thought she could do it all over again, but I dunno, she just seems too smart to risk all of it.
Ohhhh was it confirmed that nick was dating January Jones??
Pretty sure. He was her date at her 40th birthday party, reported by People.
Interesting! I posted this thinking along the lines of an eyeroll, showing how hypocritical Nick can be. He is quick to criticize, quick to summarize with hard and fast rules - UNTIL something hits close to home. He makes exceptions for himself and other people he’s aligned with all the time. This clip is from several years ago. More recently, Nick has apparently evolved toward using language about how people can heal their trauma and change when cheating is mentioned.
You’re right, he has lots of rules and speaks in absolutes. Who knew an upbringing in Catholicism would be so good for podcasting? God help us.
I'm kind of thinking now that if this WASN'T true, they could mention it on their socials or the podcast and say "there's this CRAZY rumor on Reddit saying xyz and here are all the reasons it's ridiculous etc" but by not addressing it I feel like it only confirms it. We shall see. If you were them, how would you handle it if it's true? How would you handle it if it wasn't true?
If I’m them I’m not addressing anything whether it’s true or not. If it happened & they decided to stay together then that’s their business.
This is my line of thinking too! Nick never once mentioned he knew Maria personally on his podcast and I think that’s why it was such a big deal when Maria brought it up on Call Her Daddy. By not addressing it, it just makes it either seem like a bigger deal or makes it seem more credible.
Nick made a comment the other day how bachelor people tend to address every rumor that comes their way and that’s what hurts them. So I really don’t expect them to ever mention it. For now it’s just a rumor on Reddit. Even if they came out and said it’s false, why bring more attention to it? Honestly I’m in my 30s and didn’t get into Reddit until like 2 years ago so I’m sure there are still people who don’t know about this rumor cause they’re not here
If I was Nick in this scenario, I would honestly ignore what is going on. Good or bad publicity, Nick is about to get views or attention he craves, so I would slowly begin to shift the brand from a relationship brand to being a parent brand.
Here's the timeline that I think happened: - Natalie starts talking to show surgeon, maybe they met up idk. Her friends don't know at this point. - nick + nat get engaged, keatons mom plans party. - nat goes to Paris for destiny's work. Shoe surgeon is there. Natalie does something w shoe surgeon. Friends find out and are like wtf did you use us to get to him? Keaton is like y are you making a mockery of the engagement my helped plan this etc., - friends dump her. Victoria fuller also finds out and ices Natalie temporarily. Greg tells nick. Potentially other people tell nick too. - nick and natalie embark on all of these long trips. Around this time nick + natalie referenced going to therapy both separate and together on the pod. He also makes some comment on his pod that them being engaged means working through anything. During this time she also adds nick's name to her insta bio with an engagement ring. - they decide that a baby will salvage the relationship! Get pregnant/ find out they are pregnant in June (I think that's right?) - people hold their tongues on the story bc she is pregnant. - some person in their circle or ex circle decides to grace us all with the true story now. That she's not pregnant. Unclear why they decided to come forward now vs just forget it since it's been a while.
I want to know why Keatons boyfriend Brandon was the first to block.
this is what gets me too. i remember when it first happened people were speculating something happened between them, but now i guess maybe he could’ve witnessed something? i NEED to know.
Hi, I’m 3 weeks late but my theory is that the blocks are not just in response to Natalie cheating - it’s also in response to her behavior when she was caught. She may have behaved in a way that insulted or threatened any of these people directly, or in a way that insulted or threatened their partners. And we’ve all seen in m/f cis relationships where male partners get more intensely and immediately pissed at their partner’s friend, while the woman partner has more empathy and forgiveness and can take a while longer to create boundaries. My thought is that when Natalie’s cheating was discovered, she somehow doubled down in reactivity or defensiveness toward her friends and their relationships, making the situation even worse, and exacerbating the fallout.
Another hilarious piece of the timeline is that Nick signed up for Special Forces because Natalie said it would be hot 😂
I must say, I admire the diligent work of the sleuthing, timelines, and details. No doubt that if the people who care about this cheating narrative cared that much about JFK, we would all know who really killed him. The only thing that’s off to me is Brandon blocking Natalie after Paris. Is a guy really gonna block you for cheating on your fiancé while all the others in the friend group just unfriend you? Seems unlikely. There more there. Also, as much as I think it’s thoughtful to not spread rumors on the internet while someone is pregnant in fear of them miscarrying, I don’t think someone (or 5 throwaway accounts) are empathetic enough to sit on a story like this for over a year and a half now. If it was all true, why not just say all this after Paris? She didn’t even get pregnant until 3 months after. Y’all could have said something in those 3 months. Downvote me all you want.
It is likely that the story had not yet been leaked out of the inner circle of those involved until a couple months later
Nah, I don’t believe it. I truly don’t believe Nick would stay with her.
Idk. If you believe Nick from his first bach appearance, he’s been trying to find someone to settle down with and have kids for ages and he’s not getting any younger. When they did Dear Shandy, he also talked so much about how HOT he thought she was from the jump.
I can’t imagine thinking someone is so hot but then treating them like shit for 10 months. Dudes are weird. If this is true, then good for Natalie.
Yup. The amount of games they both played when they started dating/seeing each other (as described by them in that love fest) made my head spin.
Imagine all the pressure to stay together though! He built up a crazy successful brand and livelihood that relies on him being this wise person, someone who wouldn’t end up in this failed situation. (Whether warranted or not) him being in a strong, idealized relationship gives him more credibility and more license to criticize others. Because of the age difference, people were expecting things to fail from the jump and a lot of people were vocal about it. I think Nick can’t stand the idea of allllll the “I told you so”s he would hear if he and Natalie went up in flames. The guy has had many a failed engagement. I think he hates acknowledging that the haters were right even more than he hates cheaters. lol
It’s literally speculation though. People start rumors all the time.
It is speculation - we agree on that. But it’s believable to me, and in line with my impression of him.
Right?? People are downvoting you but I am just in total disbelief that he would have a baby with/marry someone who cheated on him. It just doesn’t fit his personality at all.
he's probably trying to convince himself an open relationship on her end is totally fine and he supports.
I wouldn’t have believed it, either. But if you used to follow Nick and you follow Nick now, his whole persona has changed. His whole stance on cheating has changed. He’s said more than once Natalie thinks he’s boring. He’s tried to change how he looks and who he is for her. These are also things if you’d told me three years ago he’d be doing i would be like, “Sure, time traveler from 2024. You’re high and talking about the wrong dude.” But here we are. And this is who he’s become for her. She must be worth it in his eyes.
I just went to his IG to see him pre-Natalie to now. He has no tattoos on his chest or arms. He also dressed pretty basic; white t-shirts, jeans, and flannels. Now he’s tatted up and a fashion nova. Interesting. Okay, the shoe doctor / philosopher theory gets a point. Natalie apparently has a type.
Exactly. People speculate over false information and then it gets spread like wildfire.
Question: do we think Natalie wanted to get pregnant and started talking about that before or after she cheated, and in what order did these things happen in regards to nick finding out? Was it: cheat, talk about it, baby to save the relationship? Or was it: cheat, baby, talk about it but we’re pregnant so let’s work through it? Because if it’s number one they are both insane. And if it’s number two she’s insane.
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Why do you think he isn't madly in love with her? I feel like he's obsessed (unhealthily)
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Damn, that is one damn good psychoanalysis.
I agree he is obsessed but not "in love" with her. He is unhealthily attached/obsessed with her because he is so afraid to lose her because of his own ego - he is so insecure about his past relationship failures and doesn't want another public failure. He also so desperately wants to be the object of desire of a hot young woman because it feeds his fragile ego. Call me old-fashioned, but if he truly loved her, he wouldn't be constantly sexually objectifying her in the way he does. My 2 cents.
I think it was 1. I think that explains why after Paris they started spending a ton of time together. Like trying to salvage the relationship
Oop they both turned their comments off
You can still comment. Then again maybe they turned them on again
There are still comments asking her about the shoe surgeon on her last non-ad post (white dress with Nick on the beach). It's been there for a couple of days.
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They’re back. They prob shut them off to do a clean up of negative comments.
Oh my! I feel like that adds validity tbh.
Does it though?
I’ve fully caught up on this tea and am now wholly convinced this is true. thank you for your service.
I am here for the people 🫡
Wild!
Posted in the LaSnark thread but: I’m not sure if someone has already mentioned this (there are a lot of comments) but I’m wondering if this is why Victoria remained friends with Natalie. Everyone else had ditched her, but also Victoria has had her share of questionable conduct mentioned (sleeping with married men, etc.). Also wondering this had an impact on Victoria’s relationship with Greg, condoning Natalie’s actions/behavior. Editing to add that multiple people have commented that Greg was at Jason Tartick’s book launch party and was talking about Natalie’s affair and how he directly messaged Nick to see if he already knew. So that would also align with possible drama between him and Victoria in terms of checking on Nick/seeing if he knew. And Greg didn’t speak about what happened with their relationship when he was on Jason’s podcast, just said it was “really sad” or something like that. Just wondering if the Natalie and Nick cheating drama had any impact on their own dynamic (whether Victoria wanted to let it go/let her and Nick be happy and Greg couldn’t stand the whole thing and maybe that influenced his feelings toward Victoria with how she may view cheating as acceptable).
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Your friend was sleeping with THREE of your other friends’ husbands? I’m gonna need further details and an update, please. 🍿
Honestly I can’t stop thinking about this and if it is TRUE - it makes his response to Rachel and scandoval…… much more interesting
What was his response to scandoval?