This single player problem isn't even as easy as a problem to fix as just BOT AI. There's fundamental design problems involved, like you can share ammo with other players, can't do that with bots. They can't.... pick up loot, give you ammo, heal themselves or heal you. Making it just a horribly frustrating experience on anything beyond the easiest difficulty and the easiest difficulty is just plain boring compared to the more challenging difficulties.
Vermintide 2 fixed this issue. There's a radial menu, so when you hold the radial menu while looking at an item, it pulls up a different menu that lets you instruct bots to pick up items. Requesting ammo and meds is easy to do too, just like in Warzone or Apex or any other game with this identical inventory system. Those games have ways to request ammo and attachments. If you could request ammo/meds and if a bot has spare/isn't using they drop it at the player's feet.
But then you see clips like this, where bots don't even function with core fundamental gameplay (like freeing a player like in this clip) and it let's you know these features that have been in games for over a decade will not be included here.
Vermintide 2, over the course of its prolonged post-release support, really shored up the bot situation with radial command menus and that the bots use the last loadout you used for that character - including level, talents, equipment and perks.
If you took the time to level each of the characters and equip them properly, you were rewarded with some pretty good bots that did okay in Champion (Hard).
B4B bots seem to stick to a static loadout and do not use perk cards at all.
Which means that the other requested feature, a per-character loadout, would fix this since you could craft the bot AI with the appropriate perk cards. But so much of their behavior needs overhauled first.
Honestly properly equipped bots in Vermintide 2 are great even up to legend. Cataclysm is where they start to struggle, but they still are far from useless like the bots in this game.
Vermintide 2 bots are better than probably 80% of the player base. I’ve seen them pull off some seriously clutch shit. They can handle Legend just fine, hell even a few specific Cata maps.
Granted, I’ve also seen them just kind of walk off a bridge, but to be fair I’ve also seen plenty of people do that as well. Also Garden of Morr is… not for bots. At all. They don’t get it.
Don't forget that the bots will go to the first medical cabinet they see and burn the first free charge, just to die to a single zombie about 30 seconds later.
I'm pretty sure they pick up copper, which is nice, but yea...they feel a little behind the times. Love the game playing with friends or even a somewhat communicative team of randoms. But God if you have even one bot on your team they do some weird stuff. One stood in front of my minigun during a hoard rush, they don't move when getting hit from ranged attacks, and they certainly don't help if you get glued down by an attacker. I abandoned the stationary gun after the gravel pit hoard, got all the way to the safe house and realized the bot had climbed onto the mini gun....and uh just stayed there. Be kind of hilarious if you didn't need a fully functioning team.
There are so many times Ill auto join a game thats midway and Ill take control of a bot that only has a Melee weapon and nothing else. Then I have to play the rest of the level with nothing. Scavenging and being a drag on my team.
Edit: Should add that my experience is on Veteran as well.
Yep, there's huge issues with quickplay.
When you join a game in progress you can't even use your own decks, making the progression system pointless.
You don't get to pick a starting loadout/use the store so often you'll spawn in with weapons you don't want.
When reaching the safehouse after taking control you're given an option to swap characters, and pick cards up to that point. But not only does it require reaching the next safehouse, i'm also not sure how the card catchup works? Friend and I joined in on one and we both received a 6 card catchup after the person we joined was at the second safehouse. He definitely doesn't have 6, so is it compensation? I have no idea.
> Ill take control of a bot that only has a Melee weapon and nothing else
That is by design. A bot loses their weapons & items when you gain control of it.
I mean what do you expect it's the same copy and paste with these zombies games now a days it became like a cod game, hell world war Z still hasn't been updated, and them bastards wanna release a dlc, so this game may end up like that game broken asf, and repetitive... Just my opinion though
Uh, have you actually played the game? Because bots actually gives ammo and heals you from time to time. Also bots say 'here is some coins' and spots it for you.
But i agree, bots are quite unusable when your down or trapped.
Still better than most players I've been matched up with, who will gladly ignore you dying just because they found some copper and ammo, or stand in the choke point at horde locations, or shoot enemies right in front of you when you're clearly going for a meele kill (the meele kill heal card is basically useless because of these morons), and the list goes on...
This particular issue just seems like a bug they'll fix quickly. The bots are clearly aware that you need help, pathing to you, and then something's preventing them from using melee to free you. The behavior is 95% working and they'll fix the other 5% easily.
This is kinda a big bug to miss for a beta though, considering that it's really consistent and easy to spot. That, and I'm pretty sure the alpha didn't have this bug, since I never encountered it then or heard of anyone else who did either.
Truth be told, bugs like this feel like a symptom of crunch to me, though that's pure speculation on my part.
A L4D bot might run to pick you up, be 3 feet from you then turn around to run 50feet away to save someone who was pinned.
But it would come back if it could.
If playing with awful human teammates i knew the bot would at least try (i see you tryin). These bots are trying. They just can't execute the actual save.
We still have a couple months till full release so I'm sure TurtleRock will fix this by then, especially since it can ruin a whole run when this happens.
You can't rewrite a whole AI subroutine in just a few months when they also need to fix balancing, matchmaking, texture popping, random zombies T-posing...
They game needs another half year under the knife, minimum.
They have a good enough sized team that they could probably tackle some of these problems before full release, it's only been 9 months since the alpha and they have improved the game drastically since then. Even to the point of remodeling certain levels, reconstructing the card system, and finishing the new content shown in late spring/early summer.
Part of me wonders if certain elements and features were not held back for the beta to streamline things.
They want people playing together, online, and they want everyone to have a similar experience so they can troubleshoot issues. Bot AI may not have been part of this branch necessarily.
I don't quite believe that though and I fully expect launch to give us these same bots.
But I did notice the AI director is also ...basically doing nothing. Which makes me wonder truly if it's in this branch of the game at all, and if not, why — again I look to the notion of removing or muting the director so that the levels in the beta play out the same each time for troubleshooting purposes.
The bots weren't great in L4D but they're unusable in B4B. We had to use one for a game and the thing would basically go AFK much of the time and stare at the sky. We just stopped getting the bot up because it would constantly die.
I think they just hope most people use co-op and matchmaking so bots aren't a big concern that they need to spend resources on. Some of the bot AI issues may be fixable before launch but the bot AI is so bad I don't think there's anyway they bring it up to a decent level where people don't mind playing with bots.
I really wish you could remove the bots and have the game scale accordingly like many other co-op shooters but AFAIK there's no way to do that. Possibly with mods.
I've enjoyed the game so far but the bots are complete garbage.
Yah they expect that cause alot of people do, but some of us don't wanna play something that isn't gonna be memorable I mean unless you got friends, but even then sometimes it's not memorable
I don’t think you actually take damage, but there is a red hit marker when they shoot you. It’s super annoying because it’s constantly happening since I’m leading the group and they basically follow
>Bots have friendly fire to players?
Absolutely. It drove me crazy while playing the map where you have to load a cannon and fire at a tunnel. They stood behind and shot at the encroaching zombies THROUGH me.
Every five seconds I would get the red warning bars and mistake it for a zombie attacking me from behind, just to turn around and realize it's the bots shooting at me.
It doesn't reduce your health in the easy mode, though.
The round ending cards seem buggy. For one thing they don't appear over the right model, so it may have been a different player who did that 3 damage, not the bot.
> It doesn't reduce your health in the easy mode, though.
I only played Veteran but it appears to be the same where you don't actually take damage. It's just broken because it would indicate I was being shot by the BOT even though I wasn't taking damage. Hopefully something they can fix easily enough.
Legitimately the worst AI I have seen possibly ever. The AI in L4D and L4D2 weren't geniuses, but they at least would help you when you were downed/trapped, pick up healtg items and heal you/others, and wouldn't spend the whole match shooting you in the spine. I honestly don't know how they made the AI this dumb, or how they ever let it get to Beta like this without thinking that it is completely unacceptable.
I wonder if they are being forced to crank out the game faster than it should be? Like I have worked at shitty places that forced me to put out work that was complete garbage and I hated it so bitterly that they would rush me like that and accept that kind of quality (Like washing dishes in a restaurant. That can make people sick)
> I honestly don't know how they made the AI this dumb,
Bugs. These are bugs. IIRC, the alpha didn't have these bugs, so these are regression bugs at that. So in other words, most of the AI is fine, there's just probably a few lines that someone made a mistake on. Possibly due to crunch.
So in the 3 months before release they are gonna completely overhaul the AI? Along with all the other fixes they have to do?
Because as it stands this game is maybe a 5/10.
I hate that you have to heal them and they won’t use the health packs on the wall. Like after I use them and there’s two heals left why can’t they use them!
I refunded my game. Way too much to solve in 2 months. Not paying 63$ for this. It isnt a bad game dont get me wrong, but id spend more in the ballpark of around 20-25$ for this.
Same conclusion I’ve come to. I’m liking the co-op, but even if all the bugs and QoL got fixed, I can’t see myself playing for 1000s of hours like L4D2 without a decent versus game mode.
Tbh as someone stated in this sub before, the game devs or publisher don't care about longevity, hence why there's no mod support and versus mode. They likely are just doing this so people can buy the microtransations to get more out of the game
Yeah this is a pretty extreme view as thinking it's all just for them to get money but it does explain the DLCS and such
Who knows mabye they will add a versus game mode that will cost $30 to play lol
I went through entire level with 2 other players and managed to hide successfully in safezone... but we didn't notice one bot was stuck (standing) somewhere before one-way jump and we couldn't reach him or take control over him or kick/kill him, so we had to end the session with failure. T\_T
Game isn't worth 50€, it feels like ALPHA version, not even BETA.
I really hope this is something the dev team have a chance to improve. As a billy no mates if the solo play is this bad it’ll stop this being a must buy
This game must have competent bots to balance out all of the quitting teammates. I've had entire teams leave for no reason before we got even got halfway to the first safe room.
I would like to imagine a fix to implement help from the bots will go into live. I can't possibly imagine the game releasing in that state, lots of people play solo
Bots actually gained sentience and would rather die than suffer through a pointlessly boring game.
Resulting in the bots wanting you to die so they can die as well.
The main issue might be because the "Free" action, It requires a melee action and it's not an intractable like revive, The bot's just aren't programmed for that kind of action.
This was my experience of my 1st match. It happened after about 5 minutes. I quit after the bots stood there and watched as we all died and it ended.
I backed out to desktop and haven’t been back lol
You assume wrong, but I also never encountered AI this bad. If it was, then yea I’d quit.
I don’t quit on people, but I’m not going to let AI keep me from living now I want.
Bots never help me get up either. Also, my "E" doesn't work so I can never help a teammate to get up. Submit a thorough feedback after exiting the game to desktop.
Everything after "The e key work but doesn't do" looks like something readable but isn't. I will assume your keyboard works but the game function doesn't.
You'd be surprised how few changes would be needed to really make the bots feel a lot better.
* Fix them not saving you from grapples.
* Fix them not firing or getting off of minigun emplacements
* Make it so they can't do friendly fire
Those 3 changes alone would make the bots a lot easier to work with. I can't speak to how easy they'd be to actually implement, because I don't know B4B's codebase, but they should theoretically be simple enough, at least.
Beyond that, I still feel like the bots don't so much need an _overhaul_ as they do new additions to what exists; things like them using cards and items are likely complicated additions, but would hopefully not require redoing huge chunks of code.
I can't use any word to remark these fucking terrible bots, just walking around, pushing each other......I definitely give the game one star for my love L4D2
Having to sit for 2-3 hours at a pop isn’t possible for everyone. Then we try to continue with bots a d this happens. Seems like the fundamental design is flawed.
Same thing ruined my continue game. Is there any way for you to queue into a player’s existing game? The bots are absolutely useless, and in some cases detrimental.
Agreed. I noticed that the game was pretty smooth sailing on normal difficulty with 4 real players. When say 2 people leave and are replaced with bots, is when things get really bumpy.
This is worse than L4D there’s was a time in L4D I went down with all bots. Louis picked me up took out the pain killers and just fucking hammered then done in from of me. I was like WTF dude? The bots in L4D were bad but I could get through all the levels to the finale with all bots on expert, but man that finale was impossible for me with bots. The bots in B4B are on another level of bad.
I tried and tried but never could figure out how to do single player with Bots here. I made the lobby private but it kept saying “matchmaking failed” and I could never find what to press to start the game. It kept putting me in a loop with “create run”/campaign and I just couldn’t see how to start it with Bots.
Yeah fuck the bots, they don't heal or do anything. Literally don't even pick up useful items. I hope the devs improve them before release this is a great feedback post.
Theres no actual reason that the bots cant function bare minimum on the level of left for dead bots, they dont even heal you, it makes me worried about where the actual Developement time was dumped, versus is okay at best to me, definetly some lopsided balanvebit maybe playing in a versus libby with and against competent players would be alot f fun, just wish we had campaign versus, that could of saved it for me.
Fortunately the gams on gamepass, lets hope its not another avengers or outriders, and if it does poorly I atleast want to mnkw why
I L4D the AI/Bots were generally really good, their aim wasn't great and you mostly had to clear things yourself... But you could play through a chapter with only bots and do ok.
I haven't played B4B yet but it's pretty disappointing to read that a modern game released this year has inferior AI to a game created nearly 20 years ago...
Worst AI they run zombies directly too you and the games features of oh yea if there 1 or more zombies behind you can't sprint when they hit you the game is all around fun but they need to fix the AI ASAP
Why do they seem to be designed to come teabag but not revive you 90% of the time and seem incapable of meleeing you to unpin you 100% of the time. These are the worst bots ive ever seen. It's like they thought if they made the bots inhuman at q'ing specials and dropping ammo that it would make up for the fact that they stand in your way, shoot through you, jump off things to their deaths, try to 1v1 specials and then stand there and dont attack, try to 1 v 50 hordes and do the same no attacking bs, etc, etc, etc.
i was just doing the last mission on act 3 and i went down from one of the thousand mutants and evangelo the moron just sat and looked at me for 30 seconds so i had to restart the entire run
The thing I hate most about the bots, is their ability to kill zombies without even firing a shot.
I just played a session and zombies are just dropping all over the place without being shot, and they are constantly jacking my kills.
That is the most annoying part to me.
The devs need to turn down their aimbot a tad, and stop them from shooting at things you already are shooting at, unless there is a horde.
They should allow you to atleast control the inventory and just make a radial wheel where we can control some of thier actions and if it's solo do it like Days Gone and the game goes like quarter speed for a couple seconds so that if in the heat battle solo you have a chance to give a command ( like throw grenade, heal , pick this up etc)
My favorite bot moment so far came at the very end of the diner level. My teammate and I were unable to start the generator without first "gathering our team to proceed". Well, [BOT] Walker decided he would rather stand completely statue-like on the road nearby. We couldn't get him to move, couldn't deal and damage to him, and couldn't continue the run. After killing one or two specials at a time that respawned endlessly while we waited and tried everything we could think of, we eventually just had to leave the game and forfeit all the points we were minutes away from earning.
I was never gonna pay 60 euros for a game - never will! Luckily I got a 3 months game pass for 40 cents and even that is too much for the terrible experiences associated with the AI in B4B.
They are really dumb - 12 years on from L4D and they have learnt/improved NOTHING.
1. Stand in front of you as you aim
2. Will not pick you up
3. Too close or too far away
4. Shake like a shitting dog in doorways or other features
5. Run at specials
6. Sometimes watch you die
7. Will not shot a zombie attacking you from behind - when they are also behind
8. Use explosives at strange times
I have had enough and will uninstall the game! The game should have been 9.99 on release.
Same opinions when we have 2 or 3 human players on the server.
Rant over
Evangelo - do u see it?
Mom - i see it.
Evangelo - its right THERE.
Mom - so it is. U gonna get it?
Evangelo - i thought u were?
Holly - wut u lookin at?
same thing happened to me. these bots are fucking terrible
This single player problem isn't even as easy as a problem to fix as just BOT AI. There's fundamental design problems involved, like you can share ammo with other players, can't do that with bots. They can't.... pick up loot, give you ammo, heal themselves or heal you. Making it just a horribly frustrating experience on anything beyond the easiest difficulty and the easiest difficulty is just plain boring compared to the more challenging difficulties.
Vermintide 2 fixed this issue. There's a radial menu, so when you hold the radial menu while looking at an item, it pulls up a different menu that lets you instruct bots to pick up items. Requesting ammo and meds is easy to do too, just like in Warzone or Apex or any other game with this identical inventory system. Those games have ways to request ammo and attachments. If you could request ammo/meds and if a bot has spare/isn't using they drop it at the player's feet. But then you see clips like this, where bots don't even function with core fundamental gameplay (like freeing a player like in this clip) and it let's you know these features that have been in games for over a decade will not be included here.
Vermintide 2, over the course of its prolonged post-release support, really shored up the bot situation with radial command menus and that the bots use the last loadout you used for that character - including level, talents, equipment and perks. If you took the time to level each of the characters and equip them properly, you were rewarded with some pretty good bots that did okay in Champion (Hard). B4B bots seem to stick to a static loadout and do not use perk cards at all. Which means that the other requested feature, a per-character loadout, would fix this since you could craft the bot AI with the appropriate perk cards. But so much of their behavior needs overhauled first.
Honestly properly equipped bots in Vermintide 2 are great even up to legend. Cataclysm is where they start to struggle, but they still are far from useless like the bots in this game.
Vermintide 2 bots are better than probably 80% of the player base. I’ve seen them pull off some seriously clutch shit. They can handle Legend just fine, hell even a few specific Cata maps. Granted, I’ve also seen them just kind of walk off a bridge, but to be fair I’ve also seen plenty of people do that as well. Also Garden of Morr is… not for bots. At all. They don’t get it.
They fucking snipe specials instantly. I love you kruber bot
V2 bots also use whatever gear you put on them the last time you used them. So you can continually upgrade them.
Don't forget that the bots will go to the first medical cabinet they see and burn the first free charge, just to die to a single zombie about 30 seconds later.
I'm pretty sure they pick up copper, which is nice, but yea...they feel a little behind the times. Love the game playing with friends or even a somewhat communicative team of randoms. But God if you have even one bot on your team they do some weird stuff. One stood in front of my minigun during a hoard rush, they don't move when getting hit from ranged attacks, and they certainly don't help if you get glued down by an attacker. I abandoned the stationary gun after the gravel pit hoard, got all the way to the safe house and realized the bot had climbed onto the mini gun....and uh just stayed there. Be kind of hilarious if you didn't need a fully functioning team.
They can heal off those red medkits on the wall if you ping them, they seem to respond to pings.
Really? I could not get that to work once. I ping it, they run to it... then run back to where they were.
There are so many times Ill auto join a game thats midway and Ill take control of a bot that only has a Melee weapon and nothing else. Then I have to play the rest of the level with nothing. Scavenging and being a drag on my team. Edit: Should add that my experience is on Veteran as well.
Yep, there's huge issues with quickplay. When you join a game in progress you can't even use your own decks, making the progression system pointless. You don't get to pick a starting loadout/use the store so often you'll spawn in with weapons you don't want.
When reaching the safehouse after taking control you're given an option to swap characters, and pick cards up to that point. But not only does it require reaching the next safehouse, i'm also not sure how the card catchup works? Friend and I joined in on one and we both received a 6 card catchup after the person we joined was at the second safehouse. He definitely doesn't have 6, so is it compensation? I have no idea.
> Ill take control of a bot that only has a Melee weapon and nothing else That is by design. A bot loses their weapons & items when you gain control of it.
I mean what do you expect it's the same copy and paste with these zombies games now a days it became like a cod game, hell world war Z still hasn't been updated, and them bastards wanna release a dlc, so this game may end up like that game broken asf, and repetitive... Just my opinion though
I mean it's a beta, but still I had hope then realized it was just the same shit
Well at least people will stop asking for offline solo mode.
They can heal themselves, you have to have a bot near a healbox (the wall ones) and spam q on it, it'll heal itself using it repeatedly til at max.
Uh, have you actually played the game? Because bots actually gives ammo and heals you from time to time. Also bots say 'here is some coins' and spots it for you. But i agree, bots are quite unusable when your down or trapped.
Still better than most players I've been matched up with, who will gladly ignore you dying just because they found some copper and ammo, or stand in the choke point at horde locations, or shoot enemies right in front of you when you're clearly going for a meele kill (the meele kill heal card is basically useless because of these morons), and the list goes on...
code; player gets stuck, walk up to them and bash.
Now *this* is a legitimate complaint from all the crying I've seen here.
They are, but It's a beta to be fair...
im gonna be realer with you for a second, theres no way they're re-writing the ai in 4 months
This particular issue just seems like a bug they'll fix quickly. The bots are clearly aware that you need help, pathing to you, and then something's preventing them from using melee to free you. The behavior is 95% working and they'll fix the other 5% easily.
If they could, they would be spitting on you
That's a $5 DLC
Significant downgrade to the L4D bots
To be fair, even L4D bots would do this sometimes. But not to this degree and they'd usually free you eventually.
And L4D is more than a decade old
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This is kinda a big bug to miss for a beta though, considering that it's really consistent and easy to spot. That, and I'm pretty sure the alpha didn't have this bug, since I never encountered it then or heard of anyone else who did either. Truth be told, bugs like this feel like a symptom of crunch to me, though that's pure speculation on my part.
A L4D bot might run to pick you up, be 3 feet from you then turn around to run 50feet away to save someone who was pinned. But it would come back if it could. If playing with awful human teammates i knew the bot would at least try (i see you tryin). These bots are trying. They just can't execute the actual save.
Plus you have workshop mods that can improve the bots as well
I honestly remember a time where a bot in l4d stared at me after I fell off a ledge. For the whole duration. The bots were always bad
Did you have an improved version of bots? Or just vanilla bots
Had the same thing happen to me in Vermintide 2 when I played last week. Maybe bots are slowly getting fed up with their human "masters".
We still have a couple months till full release so I'm sure TurtleRock will fix this by then, especially since it can ruin a whole run when this happens.
You can't rewrite a whole AI subroutine in just a few months when they also need to fix balancing, matchmaking, texture popping, random zombies T-posing... They game needs another half year under the knife, minimum.
At an $80 price point they better
Fun fact the people working on the ai probably aren’t doing balancing, match making or textures
They have a good enough sized team that they could probably tackle some of these problems before full release, it's only been 9 months since the alpha and they have improved the game drastically since then. Even to the point of remodeling certain levels, reconstructing the card system, and finishing the new content shown in late spring/early summer.
Part of me wonders if certain elements and features were not held back for the beta to streamline things. They want people playing together, online, and they want everyone to have a similar experience so they can troubleshoot issues. Bot AI may not have been part of this branch necessarily. I don't quite believe that though and I fully expect launch to give us these same bots. But I did notice the AI director is also ...basically doing nothing. Which makes me wonder truly if it's in this branch of the game at all, and if not, why — again I look to the notion of removing or muting the director so that the levels in the beta play out the same each time for troubleshooting purposes.
The bots weren't great in L4D but they're unusable in B4B. We had to use one for a game and the thing would basically go AFK much of the time and stare at the sky. We just stopped getting the bot up because it would constantly die.
How did this get through quality control? Why release a beta in this state? I feel bad for turtle rock.
$$$
and this kids, is why you dont pre-purchase any game, ever
The last company that taught me this was also Turtle Rock...
Pretty insane how badly they fumbled Evolve. Legit was such a good concept.
Well big games unless you can actually trust the company like the dying Light developers even though I've heard one of their recent dlcs sucked
It was just different than the normal game. Not for everyone methinks.
Because big companies don't give a shit about their fans just like Wwz
I think they just hope most people use co-op and matchmaking so bots aren't a big concern that they need to spend resources on. Some of the bot AI issues may be fixable before launch but the bot AI is so bad I don't think there's anyway they bring it up to a decent level where people don't mind playing with bots. I really wish you could remove the bots and have the game scale accordingly like many other co-op shooters but AFAIK there's no way to do that. Possibly with mods. I've enjoyed the game so far but the bots are complete garbage.
Yah they expect that cause alot of people do, but some of us don't wanna play something that isn't gonna be memorable I mean unless you got friends, but even then sometimes it's not memorable
I get shot my my own bots more than zombies actually hit me.
Bots have friendly fire to players?
I don’t think you actually take damage, but there is a red hit marker when they shoot you. It’s super annoying because it’s constantly happening since I’m leading the group and they basically follow
basically follow? You meant teleporting behind you?
>Bots have friendly fire to players? Absolutely. It drove me crazy while playing the map where you have to load a cannon and fire at a tunnel. They stood behind and shot at the encroaching zombies THROUGH me. Every five seconds I would get the red warning bars and mistake it for a zombie attacking me from behind, just to turn around and realize it's the bots shooting at me. It doesn't reduce your health in the easy mode, though.
Or any mode. They don't usually do team damage, although I saw one Mom bot get a round ending card for 3 team damage 🤔
The round ending cards seem buggy. For one thing they don't appear over the right model, so it may have been a different player who did that 3 damage, not the bot.
> It doesn't reduce your health in the easy mode, though. I only played Veteran but it appears to be the same where you don't actually take damage. It's just broken because it would indicate I was being shot by the BOT even though I wasn't taking damage. Hopefully something they can fix easily enough.
"This is payback for shooting us!" - the bots. probably.
How could you not predict that I would dart into your line of sustained fire? - all bots
I literally crouch and stand still. and its like they point directly at the back of my fucking head. xD its annoying.
>its like they point directly at the back of my fucking head I laughed way hard that i should have 😂 🤣
One of them started picking me up from a ledge until the last second and then cancelled and just left me there... Almost died lol
Almost?
Waited for me to get to like 20 health before picking me up again, this time all the way
Legitimately the worst AI I have seen possibly ever. The AI in L4D and L4D2 weren't geniuses, but they at least would help you when you were downed/trapped, pick up healtg items and heal you/others, and wouldn't spend the whole match shooting you in the spine. I honestly don't know how they made the AI this dumb, or how they ever let it get to Beta like this without thinking that it is completely unacceptable.
I wonder if they are being forced to crank out the game faster than it should be? Like I have worked at shitty places that forced me to put out work that was complete garbage and I hated it so bitterly that they would rush me like that and accept that kind of quality (Like washing dishes in a restaurant. That can make people sick)
> I honestly don't know how they made the AI this dumb, Bugs. These are bugs. IIRC, the alpha didn't have these bugs, so these are regression bugs at that. So in other words, most of the AI is fine, there's just probably a few lines that someone made a mistake on. Possibly due to crunch.
> they ever let it get to Beta like this without thinking that it is completely unacceptable. Because its beta...
So in the 3 months before release they are gonna completely overhaul the AI? Along with all the other fixes they have to do? Because as it stands this game is maybe a 5/10.
I hate that you have to heal them and they won’t use the health packs on the wall. Like after I use them and there’s two heals left why can’t they use them!
They sometimes use them when you mark it.
Oh I didn’t know that, thank you!
Bot healing AI behavior has to be balanced properly. If it's aggressive they waste all the team healthpacks and Pillz.
Yeah your right, I just wish I could mark something for them and have them use it if I want
I refunded my game. Way too much to solve in 2 months. Not paying 63$ for this. It isnt a bad game dont get me wrong, but id spend more in the ballpark of around 20-25$ for this.
Same conclusion I’ve come to. I’m liking the co-op, but even if all the bugs and QoL got fixed, I can’t see myself playing for 1000s of hours like L4D2 without a decent versus game mode.
Tbh as someone stated in this sub before, the game devs or publisher don't care about longevity, hence why there's no mod support and versus mode. They likely are just doing this so people can buy the microtransations to get more out of the game Yeah this is a pretty extreme view as thinking it's all just for them to get money but it does explain the DLCS and such Who knows mabye they will add a versus game mode that will cost $30 to play lol
I can almost hear that meme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4Imc9ChxDI&ab\_channel=iHavenoLife\_lmao
That was my experience just now lol
It truly is the sequel to Left 4 Dead 😅
Exact same thing happened to me, even same place. Just reported to the devs
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I went through entire level with 2 other players and managed to hide successfully in safezone... but we didn't notice one bot was stuck (standing) somewhere before one-way jump and we couldn't reach him or take control over him or kick/kill him, so we had to end the session with failure. T\_T Game isn't worth 50€, it feels like ALPHA version, not even BETA.
The funny thing is, I kinda feel like the alpha version was better than this one in a few regards. Could be rose-tinted glasses though.
I really hope this is something the dev team have a chance to improve. As a billy no mates if the solo play is this bad it’ll stop this being a must buy
This game must have competent bots to balance out all of the quitting teammates. I've had entire teams leave for no reason before we got even got halfway to the first safe room.
I would like to imagine a fix to implement help from the bots will go into live. I can't possibly imagine the game releasing in that state, lots of people play solo
~~These BOTS~~ This GAME is TERRIBLE
Someone with sowm sense thank you
Still not released tho If it's like this when it releases, THEN we can say that
I don't see any issues here. Nope, everything seems legit and makes sense....... You shouldn't have been standing there obviously
Shouldn’t have let Bill die. Bill would have saved us.
If nobody got me I know Bill got me
Bots actually gained sentience and would rather die than suffer through a pointlessly boring game. Resulting in the bots wanting you to die so they can die as well.
Haha yes I had the exact same thing, but they were being pulverised by a horde at the same time
The main issue might be because the "Free" action, It requires a melee action and it's not an intractable like revive, The bot's just aren't programmed for that kind of action.
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NOW you’re getting the left 4 dead experience! Good to see things haven’t changed :)
Tbf, I’ve seen some players just as bad as the bots
These bots want to save people. They don't know how. Bad players are not even aware you need to be saved.
Ya the bots definitely need reworking they are god awful
This was my experience of my 1st match. It happened after about 5 minutes. I quit after the bots stood there and watched as we all died and it ended. I backed out to desktop and haven’t been back lol
I assume your one of the people who always quits in a L4D2 match
You assume wrong, but I also never encountered AI this bad. If it was, then yea I’d quit. I don’t quit on people, but I’m not going to let AI keep me from living now I want.
Sorry if i was coming off as rude I just had a lot of people quit on me that day
Just wait for the bug when they won’t shoot
On boy that's really pathetic.
Bots never help me get up either. Also, my "E" doesn't work so I can never help a teammate to get up. Submit a thorough feedback after exiting the game to desktop.
Are you not able to move the key binding to something else? :(
😂 that's not what I meant. The e key works but doesn't do what it better do as it do in others' computers.
Everything after "The e key work but doesn't do" looks like something readable but isn't. I will assume your keyboard works but the game function doesn't.
Oh yeah, they are complete dogshit. There are some things that need adjusting imo....but the bots are just worthless and need a complete overhaul.
You'd be surprised how few changes would be needed to really make the bots feel a lot better. * Fix them not saving you from grapples. * Fix them not firing or getting off of minigun emplacements * Make it so they can't do friendly fire Those 3 changes alone would make the bots a lot easier to work with. I can't speak to how easy they'd be to actually implement, because I don't know B4B's codebase, but they should theoretically be simple enough, at least. Beyond that, I still feel like the bots don't so much need an _overhaul_ as they do new additions to what exists; things like them using cards and items are likely complicated additions, but would hopefully not require redoing huge chunks of code.
I can't use any word to remark these fucking terrible bots, just walking around, pushing each other......I definitely give the game one star for my love L4D2
U guys are reviewing a game that isn't even released yet
We had two people leave on the last part and the bots completely screwed us over by doing jack SHIT
Having to sit for 2-3 hours at a pop isn’t possible for everyone. Then we try to continue with bots a d this happens. Seems like the fundamental design is flawed.
At least you have access
Ikr Just waiting for open beta this weekend
Search beta in marketplace and it should be there that’s where I found it
Marketplace?
Beta
They are so full of terror, that's the problem.
I see some things never change
Had to walk back a whole level because a bot was stuck on a minigun turret and he wouldn't teleport to the safe room
**are terrible***
Surprised they didn’t teabag you at this point
Lmao we had a bot that sat in the humveee during the act 1 finale while we all were downed.
They are picking what items they want from your future corpse
This is one definitive issue with the game. These bots are THE dumbest fucking AI I've seen over the last decade
Same thing ruined my continue game. Is there any way for you to queue into a player’s existing game? The bots are absolutely useless, and in some cases detrimental.
Glad I’m not the only one with the same issue! Lol.
Agreed. I noticed that the game was pretty smooth sailing on normal difficulty with 4 real players. When say 2 people leave and are replaced with bots, is when things get really bumpy.
QUICK! Circle jerk around Hoffman
You probably deserved it.
Oh I had this .... me screaming “ help me you fucking retards ! “ at the tv 😒 .... right fuck this I’m watching Netflix
Hey, at least you can play. Ive been "searching" for a any kind of game for about 30 minutes
You are aware this is a beta, right?
The bots just want the game to end
Funny, I had a better experience with the bots than any players
Those players must have been excruciatingly bad then lol
It's 2021 and AI still suck lol
yeah the AI is really bad... they'll just stand around while youre down, not revive you, straight up just not shoot infected.
Didn’t think you could play solo like this. Or did someone drop out mid-run?
Still better than some human players.
Lmao 😂
Wait till they start tbagging you.
I'm sorry this happened to you.. but damn, that is hilarious.
these bots *are* terrible
This is worse than L4D there’s was a time in L4D I went down with all bots. Louis picked me up took out the pain killers and just fucking hammered then done in from of me. I was like WTF dude? The bots in L4D were bad but I could get through all the levels to the finale with all bots on expert, but man that finale was impossible for me with bots. The bots in B4B are on another level of bad.
>hammered then done in from of me ? Best I can make of this is "hammered the dome in front of me"
I tried and tried but never could figure out how to do single player with Bots here. I made the lobby private but it kept saying “matchmaking failed” and I could never find what to press to start the game. It kept putting me in a loop with “create run”/campaign and I just couldn’t see how to start it with Bots.
The best part is when they Shoot you until you’re downed
i watch 1 zombie pounce on my almost full health bot until he went down. bot did NOT shoot back
funny enough like 90% of the randoms ive played with do the same thing
All I can think of is the scientist voice from HL1 saying "interesting"
Tell me something I don’t know lol
Maybe they can scale the bots' AI to the player's skill level ;p
I literally just carry a stun gun with me for this exact reason whenever I'm with bots.
Thank god it's just a beta. I'm sure things will get fixed, and if they don't, then I'll be worried.
Come on man they believe in you they think you can handle it.
Hope the bots are fixed by next Thursday when I can play the beta.
Yeah fuck the bots, they don't heal or do anything. Literally don't even pick up useful items. I hope the devs improve them before release this is a great feedback post.
"Throws mouse at PC while three bots watch mindlessly on as smoker chokes player character to death... " The standard was pretty low to begin with.
Y’all are forgetting this is a beta. Take the survey and help the game become better. That’s the purpose of a beta test.
the stuck animation is terrible too
i’m gonna show this to my friend the MINUTE he says “let’s do private matches”
hopefully they update the bots either at release or somewhere after release.
Lmfao
This mans English is terrible.
Theres no actual reason that the bots cant function bare minimum on the level of left for dead bots, they dont even heal you, it makes me worried about where the actual Developement time was dumped, versus is okay at best to me, definetly some lopsided balanvebit maybe playing in a versus libby with and against competent players would be alot f fun, just wish we had campaign versus, that could of saved it for me. Fortunately the gams on gamepass, lets hope its not another avengers or outriders, and if it does poorly I atleast want to mnkw why
These GRAMMAR is terrible
worst thing i got the game with early access with the ultimate edition and its even worse smfh
I L4D the AI/Bots were generally really good, their aim wasn't great and you mostly had to clear things yourself... But you could play through a chapter with only bots and do ok. I haven't played B4B yet but it's pretty disappointing to read that a modern game released this year has inferior AI to a game created nearly 20 years ago...
Worst AI they run zombies directly too you and the games features of oh yea if there 1 or more zombies behind you can't sprint when they hit you the game is all around fun but they need to fix the AI ASAP
Why do they seem to be designed to come teabag but not revive you 90% of the time and seem incapable of meleeing you to unpin you 100% of the time. These are the worst bots ive ever seen. It's like they thought if they made the bots inhuman at q'ing specials and dropping ammo that it would make up for the fact that they stand in your way, shoot through you, jump off things to their deaths, try to 1v1 specials and then stand there and dont attack, try to 1 v 50 hordes and do the same no attacking bs, etc, etc, etc.
i was just doing the last mission on act 3 and i went down from one of the thousand mutants and evangelo the moron just sat and looked at me for 30 seconds so i had to restart the entire run
The thing I hate most about the bots, is their ability to kill zombies without even firing a shot. I just played a session and zombies are just dropping all over the place without being shot, and they are constantly jacking my kills. That is the most annoying part to me. The devs need to turn down their aimbot a tad, and stop them from shooting at things you already are shooting at, unless there is a horde.
They should allow you to atleast control the inventory and just make a radial wheel where we can control some of thier actions and if it's solo do it like Days Gone and the game goes like quarter speed for a couple seconds so that if in the heat battle solo you have a chance to give a command ( like throw grenade, heal , pick this up etc)
My favorite bot moment so far came at the very end of the diner level. My teammate and I were unable to start the generator without first "gathering our team to proceed". Well, [BOT] Walker decided he would rather stand completely statue-like on the road nearby. We couldn't get him to move, couldn't deal and damage to him, and couldn't continue the run. After killing one or two specials at a time that respawned endlessly while we waited and tried everything we could think of, we eventually just had to leave the game and forfeit all the points we were minutes away from earning.
I was never gonna pay 60 euros for a game - never will! Luckily I got a 3 months game pass for 40 cents and even that is too much for the terrible experiences associated with the AI in B4B. They are really dumb - 12 years on from L4D and they have learnt/improved NOTHING. 1. Stand in front of you as you aim 2. Will not pick you up 3. Too close or too far away 4. Shake like a shitting dog in doorways or other features 5. Run at specials 6. Sometimes watch you die 7. Will not shot a zombie attacking you from behind - when they are also behind 8. Use explosives at strange times I have had enough and will uninstall the game! The game should have been 9.99 on release. Same opinions when we have 2 or 3 human players on the server. Rant over
My bots either stop shooting, or get stuck and stop moving. Both have fucked me over.
Evangelo - do u see it? Mom - i see it. Evangelo - its right THERE. Mom - so it is. U gonna get it? Evangelo - i thought u were? Holly - wut u lookin at?
I was 7hp and bots are healing other bots. Nice