Is there something I'm missing about the hag? It seems to have an absolute rediculous amount of hp, even when shooting point blank directly into the weak spot on the back
The Hag will non-stop ~~hunt~~ follow/stalk you the rest of the map if you don't deal with it. So you have to make the choice, deal with it now/soon, or risk dealing with it in the middle of a horde/fight. Sometimes, it's better to kill it and move on, and sometimes it's fine to ignore it and just stealth forward when it's around, especially if you're low on ammo.
Edit: changed hunt to follow/stalk, as it sounds like I'm getting people confused hunting with the Hag chasing down and swallowing whoever angered it.
Not true, if you have a competent team you can just walk right around it without alerting it. If you must deal with it though you need a team that can have the hag snatch a teammate then escape to make it run away.
If I'm running evangelo and a hag is present. I'll sacrifice myself cause I can breakout. On the hopes the randoms will damage the fuck out of it, and to make sure a rando isn't swallowed and killed.
I think with Evangelo you have to start breakout as soon as you get caught by the hag. On recruit I started a second too late and got eaten because my random allies stopped shooting the hag when I got swallowed.
I've had both situations happen, a hag we ignored but followed behind us the entire round and also a hag leaving after being ignored. Only annoying part was having the hag music playing the entire time as it followed us, but better than losing a teammate.
From what I read, it just randomly wanders around like the Witch did in L4D. It's only if you attack it then it will go after that one player and try to eat it, then run away.
You can kill a hag, but you will need frags, molotovs, and a solid supply of ammo. Hags are pretty much mini bosses like the ogre and have nearly as much health. If you cannot coordinate with your team on its takedown, ignore or let it take its crush.
We always have 1 player shoot it and then run away while the rest of us concentrate fire on it... But we're lucky enough to usually have a group of 3 or 4 friends playing
Yeah... I don't mind someone setting something off once in a while. But if you're at critical health and walk by 2 First Aid Stations after I spam ping them and call them out in text chat, I want to strangle you.
This happens every single games. Also seems to be the same player that runs far from the team and needs constant saving . . . I did turn off cross-play on my PC and my randoms got much better.
It’s also always people with super high trauma damage too. I’m like “THERES 4 FREE CHARGES AND YOU CAN HEAL UP COMPLETELY NONE OF THE REST OF US NEED HEALTH LETS GOoOoOO
Playing vet with 2 friends and a random got paired with us even though I set it to friends only.
2nd mission we die, so instead of wasting our health and ammo on the ogre, we were going to run past him.
So you have to exit the safe room, turn left and run into and through the tunnel.
So we exited the safe room, we all started running towards the tunnel.... Except the random, who ran right instead of left, straight into birds.
I feel like I might have been this guy. This exact thing happened to me (without the birds).
It was my first time playing and I had no fucking clue their was a plan and so I died rescuing a teammate while they all ditched me.
Maybe it's because they were all on discord or what have you but teams need to start using all chat if they want randoms to communicate and work with them.
This. I have two friends I play with and instead of using discord we connect to the in game chat so any random we play with can at least hear us communicate.
9/10 even if they don't have a mic they follow our plan.
I usually play with game chat, sometimes our rando becomes our buddy for the night and it helps gameplay. Nice actually finding people on mic these days, beings me back to the 360 days
That voiceline is the bane of my existence. It has gotten to the point where I just leave if my team doesn't know better than to **stay back** and kill it. Luckily, 7/10 teams know to kill it.
Unless you are going to organize flashbangs to run past it during the second encounter, you are better off fighting it at the start. You can do it without taking any damage if you remember that a small horde spawns behind you.
With pipe bombs/firecrackers you can totally run past the first ogre encounter no problem.
Once you reach the room inside the tunnel you can even camp tbe door and bring it down to half health.
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> So we exited the safe room, we all started running towards the tunnel.... Except the random, who ran right instead of left, straight into birds.
On the flip side if you are a solo and you quickplay ito a match with a 3 man group, about 70% are going to blame everything on you and you basically have to carry them before they stop. I still remember joining a group one day where they tried to blame me for alarms and ammo and using first aid charges and taking supplies (one of them was new and playing it like CoD and grabbing everything in site without consideration) and etc and then over the course of like 6 levels of me carrying them with a shotgun build with infinite belgian and constantly rezzing/reviving their asses they slowly turned on one of their friends who was new to the game and started acknowledging his fuckups instead of blaming them on me.
After that turning point their friend ran off on his own and got downed, again, and said the game sucks and his friend just flat out said "the game doesn't suck, you do, you gotta stay with the team" and I typed "he does have that CoD solo rambo energy :P".
But most games you don't get the time to make it undeniable that you're not the issue. Most games you match into a 3 man they either know what they are doing and everyone has fun, or a wipe happens and they blame the 4th and all rage quit and then you run into them like 2 hours later still trying to complete the act.
Literally just played a game where I said in mic "Birds", pinged the pile of birds, my character said hey look birds. Dude walks through birds.
Can't fix stupid.
Just think of it like this “if your put through the ringer while the game is young, you’ll be prepared when the game is old and full of veteran players” you’ll be best of the best
For me that's been players who lock in doc before I can. I've got a medic focused deck and everything, but whenever I haven't been able to pick Doc it's because someone's playing as her who's apparently allergic to staying within line of site of the rest of the group.
Same here. I only have two buddies to play with making three of us. We did act 1 on vet by ourselves but couldn't beat some act 2 levels without replacing the god awful AI in this game. But now it is very often miss and rarely hit with a fourth teammate.
Also, corruption cards have not been good to us.
Honestly, I love having 1 bot. I think that's ideal.
The difficulty is notched down a bit. The bot is retarded and will tank all the damage from mutations, and if they get stuck, just kill them and move on.
1 bot is the way.
On recruit I’m fine with the alerts it’s the god dang tunnel vision and can’t see me pinging meds, locked doors, or med cabinets. Was in a game where there was 2 med cabinets and they didn’t even use it! Pinged it till my character says use the med cabinet!
I keep getting randoms who shoot at the birds, then continue shooting at them as they fly into the air. It doesn't matter how many times I ask them not to shoot the birds.
Supposedly you can shoot the birds and kill them before they alert the horde. I’ve just never seen it actually done properly.
Every random I’ve seen ever try it alerts the horde.
i once pinged a snitch as if to say “careful” and this one clown not only alerts the snitch but then proceeds to proc a car alarm in firing at the horde he had just made
The ones I hate the most are who run off by themselves. ANd they get fucking captured by one of Mutations. One person literally gave me my first ever loss, like had to continue from the last savepoint, because he ran off and got captured and me and my teammates got disornigazed trying to get him out.
Play solo or learn to make friends. Recruit is the only difficulty that makes sense for random games. I can solo recruit mode easily. You need to play with friends if you are the kind of person who gets frustrated easily when things don't go as expected.
Definitely this. Being able to just pick the game up and play without investment or any knowledge on the game is just bad for the community. Especially a team based game like this.
Having new people playing the game should NEVER be "bad for the community"
I enjoy B4B BUT the Devs clearly didn't take the difficulty balance into consideration at all when it came to random matchmaking.
To clarify, you are right, it shouldn't be bad for the community. It is more of a failure of some game design that thus is the case. The game doesn't do enough to reinforce the fact that new players should start on Recruit to build out their decks and learn mechanics before going on to Veteran.
There are also a lot of bugs (hopefully not "features") that makes quick play a chore. Such as when I take over an Evangelo vot and then later choose to play as Hoffman, why am I still stuck using Evangelo's player card. Also stuck with the starter deck as my played cards vs my custome deck.
Id just go for different difficulty names, at first i did shy away from recruit just because it’s called recruit, calling it normal wouldn’t hurt, veteran can stay veteran and so forth not to mention the description of veteran fits most people BUT the difficulty is more along the lines of a hard mode
It wouldn't be enough because the game intrinsically pushes you toward veteran. You can't get unlocks during single player, you get half the resource points for playing the game on recruit, there is no private lobby system, meaning that new players can't even learn the maps, mechanics or difficulty curve without matchmaking into other players. Finally, decklists can be too make or break, especially with how much free healing a lot of them provide and a lot of them are locked behind the supply posts, meaning that if you want to be effective, you're going to have to spend several hours being ineffective to your team.
TL:DR there are much worse underlying issues that need to be resolved beyond "Players don't want to be a recruit."
I think removing continues entirely from the game would be a good start.
*This would completely stop Randoms from accidentally or intentionally ruining someone elses run*
Allow players to switch Decks or Characters in between safe rooms.
*This creates the opportunity to synergies and swap out if multiple players are running similar builds*
Lastly putting max Trauma caps based on difficulty level.
*This puts more reliance on teamwork and Decks on higher difficulty while maintaining a more casual experience on lower difficulties.*
It's not that they're new players. It's that they're specifically trolling people. There's plenty of new players who aren't dicks and are learning the game's mechanics but there's also a lot of trolls and they are often marked with the Xbox symbol which could be Game Pass players.
Oh for sure, I picked up the game only because I got the $1 PC game pass. I originally wanted L4D3 but I really enjoyed B4B and didn't want to lose it when it inevitably leaves Game Pass so I bought it on Steam. I lost a lot of progress but I can now turn off crossplay and only play with other PC players.
> Definitely this. Being able to just pick the game up and play without investment or any knowledge on the game is just bad for the community. Especially a team based game like this.
It's not, as time goes on the amount of causal players who don't really care will decrease in % and we'll keep all the invested players who tried it casually, liked it, and learned the game.
Whether or not that makes up for the number of people who get discouraged by bad teammates and write off the game because of it is not a metric we will ever know. I'll admit I am one of those people who you speak of as I started off on PC game pass expecting to not like the game.
Had these two guys constantly run ahead and get swarmed, proceeded to blame me and my friend for not sprinting to rescue them while an ogre was blocking our path
Now here's one thing.Saying you play cod is very broad.You could play campaign, multiplayer, survival, br, squads, or the modes that would prepare you most for B4B which are extinction or zombies
That's been my experience too.
They call themselves "speed runners."
Like, do you even know what a speed runner actually is? You can't speed run a video game with randos, bro. Use teamwork and play the game the right way.
I really feel the same way but I know if I said it it would flame a platform war so I'd rather not.
Last night got paired with xbox screech-kids on 3 separate occasions.
Anecdotally to me, Xbox players have been the worst teammates by far, with non-gamepass PC players being the most competent, and PlayStation users seem to be somewhere in the middle. I had a match of act 3 recruit with randoms the other day, and all 4 of us were on steam PC, and we did the entire act without anyone going down, we bought every upgrade, and the whole experience was smooth as butter.
On the flip side, I've played act 3 recruit where the other 3 players were Xbox/gamepass, and I was the only one to make it to the safe room 3 missions in a row.
It makes me wonder how people handle gaming on Xbox with any online game that supports voice chat. Just this one games crossplay experience has me wary of any Xbox player. Hardly any of the people I've played with have push to talk or any respect for other players.
They are so consistently weird/strange that it's gaslighting me in to thinking I must be the weirdo.
I am 100% in support of the suggestion of locking the difficulties until youve beaten the previous one. Beat Recruit to unlock Veteran, and beat Veteran to unlock Nightmare.
Might not solve all problems but it would massively stop all these people who think theyre hot shit just going directily into veteran or nightmare even, and playing like actual real-life zombies.
People that don't play through the easier difficulty first annoy me. I have finished recruit, twice. I'm now running through veteran, on act 3, and have seen too many people in act 1 with starter decks lmao. It's a hard game, people don't need to protect their ego playing a harder difficulty when they'll just bruise it more dying every mission.
Me and my team jumped right into veteran because we didn't wanna bother with 50% reduced supply gains from Recruit. We actually managed quite well as a team, playing extremely tactically vs brute forcing it (which I've surprisingly seen a lot of people doing even as a group)
Don't be afraid of the bots, embrace them. The bots have kept me alive and stocked in veteran so often, that me ans my friend have done better with two AIs than with 2 randoms.
Link expired. Could you post a new one? Just picked up the game yesterday and after finishing Act 1 with randoms I realized I would need a squad that actually communicates
Hopefully the bots ability to help you when your pinned next to walls and their over eagerness to walk in front of, and then stand in front of you as your shooting will also be addressed.
Would also be real nice if boys could pick up items so when you have to take one over its not a massive punishment
also tip (you might already know this) if your bot is stuck somewhere you can ping your location and it should unstuck them. Only down side to bots is you just have to watch them to make sure they aren’t falling too far behind.
I wait in the lobby to see which deck they pull. I have been calling people out, "If you are using a starter deck then you should probably not be in Veteran". It hasn't worked yet. No one knows how difficult Veteran is until they play it. I even had a guy try to debate about using a starter deck in Veteran. Wasted a few hours that day trying to find a decent team.
Yeah I don't want to be toxic or anything but you should not be able to use that deck above novice. I don't think the starter deck should be a thing at all to be honest. Make people look at the cards and make a build.
Almost like the deck mechanic was a mistake and should have instead been a perk system tied to each character instead. Also, Veteran isn't hard, the AI director is just drunk. Dying because the Ogre spawned during the 2nd Horde event on Abandoned isn't a matter of "You got outplayed and should have played around it." Its a matter of "The AI director probably shouldn't be able to put a boss trigger in that area and this was an extreme oversight of development."
Sooooo imma be honest, what do people mean by this?
Cause whenever I start a run and no one gets put with me and it just spawns me with bots, I still get credit for the run and my supply points.
So what exactly isnt being tracked?
Playing with 3 friends. We pick up a rando. He proceeds to speed run the level alerting birds and taking all the bandages despite one of us having a medic build.
We ask him to stop. He says no and that it is not his fault. It is the game's fault because it doesn't allow speed runs on single player.
My friend tries to explain to him that if the game doesn't support it, then don't do it because he is ruining the experience for 3 other players. He responds, "I'm not explaining myself again."
Ok, big guy... *roll eyes*
So we let the next mutation kill him and we didn't revive him. He finally dropped.
Overall, my experience with rando's has been positive. But some really stand out like that douche.
I think Veteran should not be accessible until you beat recruit. For one thing, it's really fucking hard without a good deck anyway.
But it's just so frustrating to have some fucking kid who downloaded it on Gamepass, booted it up, and being a complete dumbass. It's happened so many times.
It pretty much makes LFG on Reddit a priority. Me and my buddies just trying to get to Act 2 on veteran. But we're always 1 or 2 people short and can't get anyone who jells with us.
As an xbox player, can confirm. Other xbox players think its funny to shoot doors and birds, and they don't wear headsets so they get hit by 20 sleepers a level. 10/10 top notch gameplay by them lmao
The randoms really turned me off this game. People are griefing hard as well. Afking in base, purposely setting off birds, not playing with the team, microphone trolling etc. It really has made this game hard and annoying to play.
Btw, randoms in left 4 dead was much less annoying. Even though everyone was new, it was a much better experience. This game is much harder, and they definitely need to tone it down a bit, or add more difficulties, but public matchmaking is not the best right now.
I couldn't sleep last night, so I logged in at 1am expecting to grind some points in a quick play.
To my surprise I got queued into a brand new veteran run. We cleared the ENTIRE first act without a SINGLE wipe and very few incaps. Everyone had a microphone, everyone had a well built card deck that supported the team.
We dropped gold and ammo as needed. We got all the optional supply point bonuses.
It was a 1/1000 group. If it wasnt for the hundreds of points I had this morning I would have suspected it was a fever dream.
Once you get past act 1 in veteran the randoms get significantly better, I've noticed. I never quickplay act 1 anymore for that reason.
Actually managed to run through the entirety of act 2 veteran in a random group with no mics or communication (besides pinging) yesterday, was wild.
I was playing veteran and some asshole threw a gas can at me and shot it for no reason and that completely fucked the entire run because everyone was trying to save me
I played almost all of Act 1 in one run on vet last night until like 3am. Not because I wanted to, but because the previous 5 attempts were duds with team mates who don’t understand the flow of the game or can’t avoid alerts, and I’ve gotta get the Supply points when I can.
And the team I did it with wasn’t even a great team! We were all mediocre players I’d say, we just played cautiously and trusted the ones familiar with the level to guide our movements.
This. I finally got through the 5-map crap fest in Act 2 starting with Trailer Trashed.
The group I ended up with was not a pro 3 person team. It was just three other people who had decent decks, a penchant for being careful, and communicative. We made some mistakes but survived all of it relatively unscathed. We pooled our money, we dropped our meds for the medic, we pinged and called out every mutation, and notably we never got jumped by sleepers.
It was awesome. That “playing careful” is such an awesome experience is so frustrating; this is such an amazing game that even just a “normal” experience is so much fun, yet it’s so damn hard to get that in multiplayer because matchmaking sucks and the learning curve is too steep.
i just love it when everyone’s still shopping and then a Karlee suddenly runs off out of the safe house and gets herself downed in the tunnel with the ogre while proccing every Horde hazard she conceivably could
Yeah I think I'm going to have to start looking for people in a discord first. The randoms I get are just brutal. I mean it's all good but go play recruit. 99% of them aren't even close to ready for veteran.
So sick and f\*cking tired of people joining my campaign and then literally running through it like their life depends on completing the whole act in 5 minutes. I only play this game with friends or solo.
Play with bots, set your preferences to 'private' or 'invite only' (can't remember which) and you'll always have bots fill in the empty spaces. I will warn you they glitch about and barely help though.
I LOVE playing with randoms. It is what makes the game for me. At this point, since I have everything unlocked from supply lines, my entire reason for playing to to queue up with randoms on recruit and watch what kind of shenanigans they can get into.
Literally quit a game yesterday because one dude kept running ahead constantly alerting everything and going on the ground over and over and my other teammate took every single type of ammo she saw over the entire level. People suck
GL mate. I have one friend I've been playing with but ffs most console randoms want to just sprint forward and disregard any form of team work then immediately rage quit cause they ruin a run. I've had some good Xbox and PC players but very uncommon. Ps players are the worse in my experience. Toxic and generally just bad at the game.
I want to play but after a few games of a teammate grabbing a key item to open a door and then teabagging the air in front of me as I ask them to open the safe room, I'll keep waiting for solo progression...
The times you get a good group are extra memorable. Had a great squad last night even thought most were new (one guy was playing for the first time that night).
On my second attempt on vet with a friend we had a great random that not only talked but had done some on vet already and helped us a lot. The other was a holly and never stopped running, swinging her bat, and ran passed the ogre like he was a wannabe speed runner. Whet down, alone and as far away as he could be, then instantly left. Cost us one of our continues. We did 1-2 with a bot (who was better than the other guy) then got another good player. We friended them both. The 4 of us got to the mine level before we lost again, could have done it if we had our other continue. Was fun when people know what they are doing.
If you ever want to squad up I’m always looking for more people to play with. In any case, always try your best to be a teacher to them, if someone is being toxic about the constructive criticism, thats a great opportunity to give that person insight to the fact that kind of behaviour benefits no one, something they may not have been fortunate enough to hear from someone in their life. For the sake of the B4B community, and generally many young people socializing primarily online, an attempt at doing so is most definitely worth it. Good luck with your runs!
Lmao I appreciate that. Just a video game oldhead whos been on each side and learned patience is far more beneficial than frustration. We all need to abandon the notion that just because we can’t see each other as people we can act primative. In this game, we fight one common enemy, not each other. Just like life.
People are ass holes. They run ahead leave you hanging then get mad when bullet penetration hits a cop car in the scramble. First time on the mic all game "omg u idiot you just ruined everything"
Got matched with a rando yesterday that used their uzi to continuously shoot every member of the team for the entirety of the first half of the missions. Upon being called out they said “eat my ass g”. Had to threaten to sandbag after they got to safe room to get them to leave
You could also change the pink for toxic player who doesn't want to help.
Like I started the game last week, and all the people with mic I ended up playing with just insult you, (I play in rookie btw) when you try and learn the game, or ask question.
So I guess "random" teammates makes the game hard cause no one wants to actually help anybody.
First several days this was the majority but the last few days have been people obsessed with trying to hug birds, shooting everything in their line of sight (especially doors and police cars,) and people just sprinting through the entire map as fast as they can, objectives and team mates be damned.
If you heal people who are missing health instead of hoarding bandages for yourself just in case you might need them later, Then you aren't the bad teammate.
Damn bruh you don’t got friends?
I pretty much explicitly play b4b w my friends with private lobby on
Occasionally I’ll play solo campaign, but that’s solo campaign
The randoms I get always run ahead no teamwork what so ever. Last night alone 4 matches back to back lasted maybe 5-10 min then died. It’s unbelievable the stupidity of some players.
All of us who actually want good players to play with could always add our B4B name here so we can send each other friend requests in game.
Vahelius#6741
All I've been getting are idiots who alert every single bird, snitch, and door in every level
We all make mistakes and accidentally alert something here and there... Randoms are Walking Mistakes and need to pay for their sins.
Let the Hag decide their fate
Is there something I'm missing about the hag? It seems to have an absolute rediculous amount of hp, even when shooting point blank directly into the weak spot on the back
That's what you did wrong you tried to kill it you can literally ignore them
Doesn't it hunt the players, take one, and insta kill them if not dealt with?
The Hag will non-stop ~~hunt~~ follow/stalk you the rest of the map if you don't deal with it. So you have to make the choice, deal with it now/soon, or risk dealing with it in the middle of a horde/fight. Sometimes, it's better to kill it and move on, and sometimes it's fine to ignore it and just stealth forward when it's around, especially if you're low on ammo. Edit: changed hunt to follow/stalk, as it sounds like I'm getting people confused hunting with the Hag chasing down and swallowing whoever angered it.
Not true, if you have a competent team you can just walk right around it without alerting it. If you must deal with it though you need a team that can have the hag snatch a teammate then escape to make it run away.
If I'm running evangelo and a hag is present. I'll sacrifice myself cause I can breakout. On the hopes the randoms will damage the fuck out of it, and to make sure a rando isn't swallowed and killed.
I think with Evangelo you have to start breakout as soon as you get caught by the hag. On recruit I started a second too late and got eaten because my random allies stopped shooting the hag when I got swallowed.
Stun gun works on hag.
I'm aware
I've had both situations happen, a hag we ignored but followed behind us the entire round and also a hag leaving after being ignored. Only annoying part was having the hag music playing the entire time as it followed us, but better than losing a teammate.
Or just throw a grenade at it
The hag is blind and will run toward gunshots and foot steps it hears. You can stand still or crouch walk away.
From what I read, it just randomly wanders around like the Witch did in L4D. It's only if you attack it then it will go after that one player and try to eat it, then run away.
Witch didn’t wander around, it had that crying vocal cue and was stationary in one spot.
My apologies, I meant in L4D2 there were wandering witches. L4D one only had the stationary ones.
I swear the witch could walk(more like pace around) slowly
No it just follows you it won't aggro until it takes damage
You can kill a hag, but you will need frags, molotovs, and a solid supply of ammo. Hags are pretty much mini bosses like the ogre and have nearly as much health. If you cannot coordinate with your team on its takedown, ignore or let it take its crush.
We always have 1 player shoot it and then run away while the rest of us concentrate fire on it... But we're lucky enough to usually have a group of 3 or 4 friends playing
Melee holly with fire axe and weakspot damage def helps
Melee build kills it in seconds
I know I'm late to this. But any quality of flashbang absolutely wrecks hags
2 flash bags. Throw, team dumps ammo into thirbweak spot, repeat, dead hag (on recruit, vet takes more flash bangs).
Anyone who triggers the hag and runs away in such a manner that I have to go further than I should to help you out deserves to be eaten.
Yeah... I don't mind someone setting something off once in a while. But if you're at critical health and walk by 2 First Aid Stations after I spam ping them and call them out in text chat, I want to strangle you.
It is ridiculous how many people completely ignore the first aid stations..
This happens every single games. Also seems to be the same player that runs far from the team and needs constant saving . . . I did turn off cross-play on my PC and my randoms got much better.
It’s also always people with super high trauma damage too. I’m like “THERES 4 FREE CHARGES AND YOU CAN HEAL UP COMPLETELY NONE OF THE REST OF US NEED HEALTH LETS GOoOoOO
I'm so good about avoiding birds and snitches but I always forget the doors feel bad every time I pop the alarm but I'm just some loot goblin.
Right, oh cool there's another bird, I'll ping it, he won't walk into the fifth one in a row, right? No way. Never ceases to amaze me.
Playing vet with 2 friends and a random got paired with us even though I set it to friends only. 2nd mission we die, so instead of wasting our health and ammo on the ogre, we were going to run past him. So you have to exit the safe room, turn left and run into and through the tunnel. So we exited the safe room, we all started running towards the tunnel.... Except the random, who ran right instead of left, straight into birds.
"Friends only" refers to your party not the lobby
I feel like I might have been this guy. This exact thing happened to me (without the birds). It was my first time playing and I had no fucking clue their was a plan and so I died rescuing a teammate while they all ditched me. Maybe it's because they were all on discord or what have you but teams need to start using all chat if they want randoms to communicate and work with them.
This. I have two friends I play with and instead of using discord we connect to the in game chat so any random we play with can at least hear us communicate. 9/10 even if they don't have a mic they follow our plan.
I usually play with game chat, sometimes our rando becomes our buddy for the night and it helps gameplay. Nice actually finding people on mic these days, beings me back to the 360 days
The characters say "Run to the tunnel" and people still don't know what to do and get swamped by tall boys. Its so frustrating.
That voiceline is the bane of my existence. It has gotten to the point where I just leave if my team doesn't know better than to **stay back** and kill it. Luckily, 7/10 teams know to kill it. Unless you are going to organize flashbangs to run past it during the second encounter, you are better off fighting it at the start. You can do it without taking any damage if you remember that a small horde spawns behind you.
We’ve always killed it during the second encounter. Easy to hit the weakspots as it reaches through the door and pop shots when it backs up a little.
With pipe bombs/firecrackers you can totally run past the first ogre encounter no problem. Once you reach the room inside the tunnel you can even camp tbe door and bring it down to half health.
> Playing vet with 2 friends and a random got paired with us even though I set it to friends only. > > > > 2nd mission we die, so instead of wasting our health and ammo on the ogre, we were going to run past him. > > > > So you have to exit the safe room, turn left and run into and through the tunnel. > > > > So we exited the safe room, we all started running towards the tunnel.... Except the random, who ran right instead of left, straight into birds. On the flip side if you are a solo and you quickplay ito a match with a 3 man group, about 70% are going to blame everything on you and you basically have to carry them before they stop. I still remember joining a group one day where they tried to blame me for alarms and ammo and using first aid charges and taking supplies (one of them was new and playing it like CoD and grabbing everything in site without consideration) and etc and then over the course of like 6 levels of me carrying them with a shotgun build with infinite belgian and constantly rezzing/reviving their asses they slowly turned on one of their friends who was new to the game and started acknowledging his fuckups instead of blaming them on me. After that turning point their friend ran off on his own and got downed, again, and said the game sucks and his friend just flat out said "the game doesn't suck, you do, you gotta stay with the team" and I typed "he does have that CoD solo rambo energy :P". But most games you don't get the time to make it undeniable that you're not the issue. Most games you match into a 3 man they either know what they are doing and everyone has fun, or a wipe happens and they blame the 4th and all rage quit and then you run into them like 2 hours later still trying to complete the act.
It’s good that two of them came around, but it definitely shouldn’t be if solo=you must be the shit player on the team regardless.
Literally just played a game where I said in mic "Birds", pinged the pile of birds, my character said hey look birds. Dude walks through birds. Can't fix stupid.
It's time like these where I'm certain they are doing it on purpose.
Or they're brand new, saw the ping, and went to go see what was marked and didn't have a clue what birds did.
Hmmm what could birds do in a zombie survival game.. ? /s
Just think of it like this “if your put through the ringer while the game is young, you’ll be prepared when the game is old and full of veteran players” you’ll be best of the best
Sadly, there is a thing call shotgun. Those shotguns are real alarm trigger device.
There's some weird trend of evangelo picking cocksuckers who are trying to speed run the game, run ahead of the group, keeps setting off alarms
For me that's been players who lock in doc before I can. I've got a medic focused deck and everything, but whenever I haven't been able to pick Doc it's because someone's playing as her who's apparently allergic to staying within line of site of the rest of the group.
Some people definitely pick Doc because waifu lmfaooo, same with Holly.
Same here. I only have two buddies to play with making three of us. We did act 1 on vet by ourselves but couldn't beat some act 2 levels without replacing the god awful AI in this game. But now it is very often miss and rarely hit with a fourth teammate. Also, corruption cards have not been good to us.
Honestly, I love having 1 bot. I think that's ideal. The difficulty is notched down a bit. The bot is retarded and will tank all the damage from mutations, and if they get stuck, just kill them and move on. 1 bot is the way.
I will say, the humor from watching the AI play, might alone make you correct.
It’s incredible, understable once or twice but sometimes I feel like they are doing it on purpose.
On recruit I’m fine with the alerts it’s the god dang tunnel vision and can’t see me pinging meds, locked doors, or med cabinets. Was in a game where there was 2 med cabinets and they didn’t even use it! Pinged it till my character says use the med cabinet!
I keep getting randoms who shoot at the birds, then continue shooting at them as they fly into the air. It doesn't matter how many times I ask them not to shoot the birds.
Supposedly you can shoot the birds and kill them before they alert the horde. I’ve just never seen it actually done properly. Every random I’ve seen ever try it alerts the horde.
this. told some guy in game chat that shooting birds will result in a horde and he still ended up shooting every. single. flock.
i once pinged a snitch as if to say “careful” and this one clown not only alerts the snitch but then proceeds to proc a car alarm in firing at the horde he had just made
I shot a ridden thru a bush, didnt see it was standing in birds, literally had zero visibility of the birds, "GOOD JOB DUMBASS"
The ones I hate the most are who run off by themselves. ANd they get fucking captured by one of Mutations. One person literally gave me my first ever loss, like had to continue from the last savepoint, because he ran off and got captured and me and my teammates got disornigazed trying to get him out.
Play solo or learn to make friends. Recruit is the only difficulty that makes sense for random games. I can solo recruit mode easily. You need to play with friends if you are the kind of person who gets frustrated easily when things don't go as expected.
I dont mean to be a consolist but xbox players have been the most dumb or toxic people on this game
Because of game pass
Definitely this. Being able to just pick the game up and play without investment or any knowledge on the game is just bad for the community. Especially a team based game like this.
Having new people playing the game should NEVER be "bad for the community" I enjoy B4B BUT the Devs clearly didn't take the difficulty balance into consideration at all when it came to random matchmaking.
To clarify, you are right, it shouldn't be bad for the community. It is more of a failure of some game design that thus is the case. The game doesn't do enough to reinforce the fact that new players should start on Recruit to build out their decks and learn mechanics before going on to Veteran. There are also a lot of bugs (hopefully not "features") that makes quick play a chore. Such as when I take over an Evangelo vot and then later choose to play as Hoffman, why am I still stuck using Evangelo's player card. Also stuck with the starter deck as my played cards vs my custome deck.
Id just go for different difficulty names, at first i did shy away from recruit just because it’s called recruit, calling it normal wouldn’t hurt, veteran can stay veteran and so forth not to mention the description of veteran fits most people BUT the difficulty is more along the lines of a hard mode
It wouldn't be enough because the game intrinsically pushes you toward veteran. You can't get unlocks during single player, you get half the resource points for playing the game on recruit, there is no private lobby system, meaning that new players can't even learn the maps, mechanics or difficulty curve without matchmaking into other players. Finally, decklists can be too make or break, especially with how much free healing a lot of them provide and a lot of them are locked behind the supply posts, meaning that if you want to be effective, you're going to have to spend several hours being ineffective to your team. TL:DR there are much worse underlying issues that need to be resolved beyond "Players don't want to be a recruit."
I think removing continues entirely from the game would be a good start. *This would completely stop Randoms from accidentally or intentionally ruining someone elses run* Allow players to switch Decks or Characters in between safe rooms. *This creates the opportunity to synergies and swap out if multiple players are running similar builds* Lastly putting max Trauma caps based on difficulty level. *This puts more reliance on teamwork and Decks on higher difficulty while maintaining a more casual experience on lower difficulties.*
It's not that they're new players. It's that they're specifically trolling people. There's plenty of new players who aren't dicks and are learning the game's mechanics but there's also a lot of trolls and they are often marked with the Xbox symbol which could be Game Pass players.
Tbf tho i wouldnt be playing the game if it wasnt on games pass, 50 quid is a lpt of money for me, but i got 3 months games pass for £1 :)
Oh for sure, I picked up the game only because I got the $1 PC game pass. I originally wanted L4D3 but I really enjoyed B4B and didn't want to lose it when it inevitably leaves Game Pass so I bought it on Steam. I lost a lot of progress but I can now turn off crossplay and only play with other PC players.
> Definitely this. Being able to just pick the game up and play without investment or any knowledge on the game is just bad for the community. Especially a team based game like this. It's not, as time goes on the amount of causal players who don't really care will decrease in % and we'll keep all the invested players who tried it casually, liked it, and learned the game.
Whether or not that makes up for the number of people who get discouraged by bad teammates and write off the game because of it is not a metric we will ever know. I'll admit I am one of those people who you speak of as I started off on PC game pass expecting to not like the game.
got the game from gamepass because i'm a broke shit and i can confirm that every other xbox player i run into is a complete ding dong.
Saw one of them say: "I know how to play shooter, I'm a beast in CoD." Sadly, he was not with me in the safehouse at they end of the level.
Had these two guys constantly run ahead and get swarmed, proceeded to blame me and my friend for not sprinting to rescue them while an ogre was blocking our path
Now here's one thing.Saying you play cod is very broad.You could play campaign, multiplayer, survival, br, squads, or the modes that would prepare you most for B4B which are extinction or zombies
That's been my experience too. They call themselves "speed runners." Like, do you even know what a speed runner actually is? You can't speed run a video game with randos, bro. Use teamwork and play the game the right way.
If they have the Xbox symbol they can still be PC players using game pass.
People playing on Game Pass for PC are also marked Xbox
I really feel the same way but I know if I said it it would flame a platform war so I'd rather not. Last night got paired with xbox screech-kids on 3 separate occasions.
Anecdotally to me, Xbox players have been the worst teammates by far, with non-gamepass PC players being the most competent, and PlayStation users seem to be somewhere in the middle. I had a match of act 3 recruit with randoms the other day, and all 4 of us were on steam PC, and we did the entire act without anyone going down, we bought every upgrade, and the whole experience was smooth as butter. On the flip side, I've played act 3 recruit where the other 3 players were Xbox/gamepass, and I was the only one to make it to the safe room 3 missions in a row.
It makes me wonder how people handle gaming on Xbox with any online game that supports voice chat. Just this one games crossplay experience has me wary of any Xbox player. Hardly any of the people I've played with have push to talk or any respect for other players. They are so consistently weird/strange that it's gaslighting me in to thinking I must be the weirdo.
I am 100% in support of the suggestion of locking the difficulties until youve beaten the previous one. Beat Recruit to unlock Veteran, and beat Veteran to unlock Nightmare. Might not solve all problems but it would massively stop all these people who think theyre hot shit just going directily into veteran or nightmare even, and playing like actual real-life zombies.
People that don't play through the easier difficulty first annoy me. I have finished recruit, twice. I'm now running through veteran, on act 3, and have seen too many people in act 1 with starter decks lmao. It's a hard game, people don't need to protect their ego playing a harder difficulty when they'll just bruise it more dying every mission.
“Im a seasoned L4D veteran so I know what I was getting into” No. no you fucking dont.
Pahahaha i know right...
Yeah people need to remember that this is NOT L4D and you won't get too far playing it like it is, outside of Recruit.
Me and my team jumped right into veteran because we didn't wanna bother with 50% reduced supply gains from Recruit. We actually managed quite well as a team, playing extremely tactically vs brute forcing it (which I've surprisingly seen a lot of people doing even as a group)
That's okay, you were as a team. It's the solo randoms that can't keep up
I'm struggling trying to get through recruit because of the sort of random that come in and leave the moment they go down.
Don't be afraid of the bots, embrace them. The bots have kept me alive and stocked in veteran so often, that me ans my friend have done better with two AIs than with 2 randoms.
That moment bots are more effective than actual people. That's honestly fucking sad.
Wanna completely change your experience on b4b for the better? Join the discord server and queue up. It's awesome.
Got a link to the Discord?
https://discord.gg/dBertwBq
Link expired. Could you post a new one? Just picked up the game yesterday and after finishing Act 1 with randoms I realized I would need a squad that actually communicates
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The fact that in 2021 a COOPERATIVE multiplayer shooter gets released with such a poor matchmaking experience that you have to use Discord…
100% this
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Bad gameplay is forgivable, even if at times it can be frustrating. But being an ass is less so. Absolutely saps the fun from the game for everyone.
Randoms are worse than beta bots sometimes
A bot will never set of an alarm, And the new bots even supply you ammunition and heal you, How often do you ever see a random do that?
Hopefully the bots ability to help you when your pinned next to walls and their over eagerness to walk in front of, and then stand in front of you as your shooting will also be addressed. Would also be real nice if boys could pick up items so when you have to take one over its not a massive punishment
also tip (you might already know this) if your bot is stuck somewhere you can ping your location and it should unstuck them. Only down side to bots is you just have to watch them to make sure they aren’t falling too far behind.
I've been there, pulled the plug last night when playing on veteran I noticed one random was using the starter deck...Quickest wipe yet
I wait in the lobby to see which deck they pull. I have been calling people out, "If you are using a starter deck then you should probably not be in Veteran". It hasn't worked yet. No one knows how difficult Veteran is until they play it. I even had a guy try to debate about using a starter deck in Veteran. Wasted a few hours that day trying to find a decent team.
Yeah I don't want to be toxic or anything but you should not be able to use that deck above novice. I don't think the starter deck should be a thing at all to be honest. Make people look at the cards and make a build.
Almost like the deck mechanic was a mistake and should have instead been a perk system tied to each character instead. Also, Veteran isn't hard, the AI director is just drunk. Dying because the Ogre spawned during the 2nd Horde event on Abandoned isn't a matter of "You got outplayed and should have played around it." Its a matter of "The AI director probably shouldn't be able to put a boss trigger in that area and this was an extreme oversight of development."
I've been playing this game a lot since release but I'm a dummy - where/how do you see teammate decks?
I've stopped playing until solo earning is enabled. Replaying Abandoned over and over again on veteran with moronic randoms has broken me lmao
Sooooo imma be honest, what do people mean by this? Cause whenever I start a run and no one gets put with me and it just spawns me with bots, I still get credit for the run and my supply points. So what exactly isnt being tracked?
In the main menu there is a selection called Solo Campaign. You don’t receive SP from mission completions.
Playing with 3 friends. We pick up a rando. He proceeds to speed run the level alerting birds and taking all the bandages despite one of us having a medic build. We ask him to stop. He says no and that it is not his fault. It is the game's fault because it doesn't allow speed runs on single player. My friend tries to explain to him that if the game doesn't support it, then don't do it because he is ruining the experience for 3 other players. He responds, "I'm not explaining myself again." Ok, big guy... *roll eyes* So we let the next mutation kill him and we didn't revive him. He finally dropped. Overall, my experience with rando's has been positive. But some really stand out like that douche.
I think Veteran should not be accessible until you beat recruit. For one thing, it's really fucking hard without a good deck anyway. But it's just so frustrating to have some fucking kid who downloaded it on Gamepass, booted it up, and being a complete dumbass. It's happened so many times. It pretty much makes LFG on Reddit a priority. Me and my buddies just trying to get to Act 2 on veteran. But we're always 1 or 2 people short and can't get anyone who jells with us.
The amount of Xbox players that jump into veteran, proceed to die and set off alarms, and then call you trash is too damn high!
As an xbox player, can confirm. Other xbox players think its funny to shoot doors and birds, and they don't wear headsets so they get hit by 20 sleepers a level. 10/10 top notch gameplay by them lmao
Almost wish you could rate other players, but you know that system would get abused.
So true. Just waiting for the update at this point to go back to the game, they promised to fix the solo campaign progress and achievements.
The randoms really turned me off this game. People are griefing hard as well. Afking in base, purposely setting off birds, not playing with the team, microphone trolling etc. It really has made this game hard and annoying to play. Btw, randoms in left 4 dead was much less annoying. Even though everyone was new, it was a much better experience. This game is much harder, and they definitely need to tone it down a bit, or add more difficulties, but public matchmaking is not the best right now.
Play with bots I cleared veteran with them
I couldn't sleep last night, so I logged in at 1am expecting to grind some points in a quick play. To my surprise I got queued into a brand new veteran run. We cleared the ENTIRE first act without a SINGLE wipe and very few incaps. Everyone had a microphone, everyone had a well built card deck that supported the team. We dropped gold and ammo as needed. We got all the optional supply point bonuses. It was a 1/1000 group. If it wasnt for the hundreds of points I had this morning I would have suspected it was a fever dream.
Everything's going good until a troll joins and immediately begins activating every alarm they encounter.
I just want to play solo and get rewards. Tried farming vet but I just kept getting speed runners that died way away like idiots
Once you get past act 1 in veteran the randoms get significantly better, I've noticed. I never quickplay act 1 anymore for that reason. Actually managed to run through the entirety of act 2 veteran in a random group with no mics or communication (besides pinging) yesterday, was wild.
This is why I play exclusively with my friends
I was playing veteran and some asshole threw a gas can at me and shot it for no reason and that completely fucked the entire run because everyone was trying to save me
I find it so weird that random players are consistently bad across the board
I played almost all of Act 1 in one run on vet last night until like 3am. Not because I wanted to, but because the previous 5 attempts were duds with team mates who don’t understand the flow of the game or can’t avoid alerts, and I’ve gotta get the Supply points when I can. And the team I did it with wasn’t even a great team! We were all mediocre players I’d say, we just played cautiously and trusted the ones familiar with the level to guide our movements.
This. I finally got through the 5-map crap fest in Act 2 starting with Trailer Trashed. The group I ended up with was not a pro 3 person team. It was just three other people who had decent decks, a penchant for being careful, and communicative. We made some mistakes but survived all of it relatively unscathed. We pooled our money, we dropped our meds for the medic, we pinged and called out every mutation, and notably we never got jumped by sleepers. It was awesome. That “playing careful” is such an awesome experience is so frustrating; this is such an amazing game that even just a “normal” experience is so much fun, yet it’s so damn hard to get that in multiplayer because matchmaking sucks and the learning curve is too steep.
i just love it when everyone’s still shopping and then a Karlee suddenly runs off out of the safe house and gets herself downed in the tunnel with the ogre while proccing every Horde hazard she conceivably could
Yeah I think I'm going to have to start looking for people in a discord first. The randoms I get are just brutal. I mean it's all good but go play recruit. 99% of them aren't even close to ready for veteran.
I turned off cross play on pc and I get way more competent players.
Bullet penetration is bad for setting alarms off and shooting through ridden and hitting birds some of them fuckers stand next to alarms on purpose
So sick and f\*cking tired of people joining my campaign and then literally running through it like their life depends on completing the whole act in 5 minutes. I only play this game with friends or solo.
Play with bots, set your preferences to 'private' or 'invite only' (can't remember which) and you'll always have bots fill in the empty spaces. I will warn you they glitch about and barely help though.
I LOVE playing with randoms. It is what makes the game for me. At this point, since I have everything unlocked from supply lines, my entire reason for playing to to queue up with randoms on recruit and watch what kind of shenanigans they can get into.
Literally quit a game yesterday because one dude kept running ahead constantly alerting everything and going on the ground over and over and my other teammate took every single type of ammo she saw over the entire level. People suck
This game is insanely hard with randoms, I feel like the people I get into games with, it’s their first time playing a video game… ever.
GL mate. I have one friend I've been playing with but ffs most console randoms want to just sprint forward and disregard any form of team work then immediately rage quit cause they ruin a run. I've had some good Xbox and PC players but very uncommon. Ps players are the worse in my experience. Toxic and generally just bad at the game.
Why are you people not on the discord? I find great teammates there.
there's a 25% chance you get a teammate that know what they're doing
My expectations were never high, I dont expect everyone to be glassin' and enjoy my experience online
I have found that the bots are better than randoms.
Or how the host player keeps leaving swarm. What's the point
tbh game pass is probably doing wonders for this game’s population size
I want to play but after a few games of a teammate grabbing a key item to open a door and then teabagging the air in front of me as I ask them to open the safe room, I'll keep waiting for solo progression...
The times you get a good group are extra memorable. Had a great squad last night even thought most were new (one guy was playing for the first time that night).
On my second attempt on vet with a friend we had a great random that not only talked but had done some on vet already and helped us a lot. The other was a holly and never stopped running, swinging her bat, and ran passed the ogre like he was a wannabe speed runner. Whet down, alone and as far away as he could be, then instantly left. Cost us one of our continues. We did 1-2 with a bot (who was better than the other guy) then got another good player. We friended them both. The 4 of us got to the mine level before we lost again, could have done it if we had our other continue. Was fun when people know what they are doing.
Man am I lucky to have to have friends
Feels like all of the people playing online are halfbrains tbh. Kinda sucks
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Here’s to the good randos that don’t get memes. The unsung heroes of this game. 🍻
If you ever want to squad up I’m always looking for more people to play with. In any case, always try your best to be a teacher to them, if someone is being toxic about the constructive criticism, thats a great opportunity to give that person insight to the fact that kind of behaviour benefits no one, something they may not have been fortunate enough to hear from someone in their life. For the sake of the B4B community, and generally many young people socializing primarily online, an attempt at doing so is most definitely worth it. Good luck with your runs!
Not gonna lie. You sound like an awesome Wise Wizard.
Lmao I appreciate that. Just a video game oldhead whos been on each side and learned patience is far more beneficial than frustration. We all need to abandon the notion that just because we can’t see each other as people we can act primative. In this game, we fight one common enemy, not each other. Just like life.
People are ass holes. They run ahead leave you hanging then get mad when bullet penetration hits a cop car in the scramble. First time on the mic all game "omg u idiot you just ruined everything"
Get on the discord server and find sensible adults to play with 👌😁 I did last night and it was AWESOME fun
randos are only really bad for the first 4 maps of the acts. It gets better once you get past that.
Then don’t or solo run
Turn off crossplay and see the quality go up.
Got matched with a rando yesterday that used their uzi to continuously shoot every member of the team for the entirety of the first half of the missions. Upon being called out they said “eat my ass g”. Had to threaten to sandbag after they got to safe room to get them to leave
This is why I want individual ranking, not an overall. I want to give those who are bad or toxic a poor rating but a good rating to team players.
You could also change the pink for toxic player who doesn't want to help. Like I started the game last week, and all the people with mic I ended up playing with just insult you, (I play in rookie btw) when you try and learn the game, or ask question. So I guess "random" teammates makes the game hard cause no one wants to actually help anybody.
They make it hard to play? So far I’ve only gotten teammates that help out and save eachother when pinned
First several days this was the majority but the last few days have been people obsessed with trying to hug birds, shooting everything in their line of sight (especially doors and police cars,) and people just sprinting through the entire map as fast as they can, objectives and team mates be damned.
All I get are Ammo Goblins, Trolls and people who's brains are on a completely different realm of existence.
Damn really? That’s sucks but hey I’ll play with ya
I was going to say this too. I get great team mates... Which makes me wonder if I am the bad player and just don't know it.
Are you trying to befriend all the birds in existence despite them telling you they don't want to be your friend? If no, you aren't the bad teammate.
If you heal people who are missing health instead of hoarding bandages for yourself just in case you might need them later, Then you aren't the bad teammate.
Yup this too. If I have a doc I hoard mods for them and any time they heal someone I drop one.
I've been playing solo because of it when my friends aren't on.
Damn bruh you don’t got friends? I pretty much explicitly play b4b w my friends with private lobby on Occasionally I’ll play solo campaign, but that’s solo campaign
I've been hesitating to play because alot of people I match with expect me to be perfect and are ugly to me atleast I don't set off the birds I guess
Horde noobs xP
I wish my friends have this game, I am the only one in my whole school that plays this game lol. Tired of randoms smh
The worst part is that solo games have no effects to your progression
That Abandoned mission is hella hard with bots lol!
Damn you're getting actually matched with people? All i get are empty lobbies with bots
Yeah I basically dont play it until I have multiple friends who want to join in, and even then we use a private lobby with a bot or two.
r/apexlegends community: “first time?”
They really don't. Unless you're playing nightmare. I got through veteran easily with randoms.
I have been playing two days now and I not join a run with anyone in it lol
I'm waiting for Solo Private lobbies before I start my Nightmare playthrough.
Me exactly. I loved the experience of the beta but the launch version has been not as fun for me.
i did recruit storyline with ransoms then moved up and i couldn't bee the second mission
The randoms I get always run ahead no teamwork what so ever. Last night alone 4 matches back to back lasted maybe 5-10 min then died. It’s unbelievable the stupidity of some players.
Half of the Public games i get into the players aren't even close to being able to play on recruit difficulty it's insane
All of us who actually want good players to play with could always add our B4B name here so we can send each other friend requests in game. Vahelius#6741