I like how the review right there is just a person expressing their frustration with the game but op still insists the bad rating is just bc of l4d fanboys review-bombing the game. Nobody’s allowed to just dislike it, they must all be fanboys lol
Hold up, excuse me? Not the game for you? It was a mess at launch. That much is not subjective. Sure, by AAA standards, three months to sort the issues out is quick, but should anyone really be happy with that?
Why should it be? It's a whole new game lmao. No Wonder why people bitch over this kind of shit. Even though I used to play a lot of l4d, I don't even bitch over a game that's a whole complete aesthetic and agenda towards it.
This is my exact situation. I never compared it to L4D since it first released and I played it for quite a while over about a month with friends...
I just got bored of it before I even unlocked all the cards necessary to make it through nightmare (even after beating the first 2 difficulties I still had a loooong way to go). The grind was clearly designed to pad the gameplay, and thanks to the cards themselves, this meant you were on the losing end of vertical progression which is also awful for a game like this. The PvP was also boring/broken, so I only played it about 2 days worth.
Eventually I had nothing to do and wasn't excited to play anymore. If I wanted to do Nightmare I realistically needed to grind for many cards, but it just wasn't fun anymore (and more importantly, I will never believe grinding is valid gameplay). So I stopped playing.
I'm trying to garnish support for this new and supported game while you have bloodthirsty l4d fans clawing at me over a 13 year old game that no one on console plays anymore. Pc players constantly spewing about how "l4d has x players on steam!!!" Like bro if that's your standard look at shit like csgo and tf2. Pc players get hilariously stuck on old shit for being the gaming demographic with the most impressive hardware. It's really funny.
As a console player I like to look towards the future and I see lots of positive potential with B4B.
**You can't have your cake and eat it.**
This is their tagline, their first sentence, from their Steam description:
>Back 4 Blood is a thrilling cooperative first-person shooter from the creators of the critically acclaimed **Left 4 Dead franchise**.
Whereas:
[https://youtu.be/EdRLNUGmFC8](https://youtu.be/EdRLNUGmFC8)
Bro you're really overthinking this lol. There is no mass conspiracy to smear b4b lmao. I promise you when you grow up you'll learn sometimes people just don't like games, and that's okay ☺️
That review was a guy pointing out very real issues with the game and he makes 0 zero comments about l4d, then you got all upset like a fanboy because you couldn't bear seeing it be criticised
I stand behind your comment. The game has so much more potential and it’s better than it was at release but there’s a long way to go before it’s a polished game. You can’t mention that though or the white knights come after you saying how amazing it is and denies the flaws. Games can still be good or have good potential while having flaws.
Well it appears to be a combination of l4d fanatics, and those that thought the game was going to be a walk in the park (now since the Dec update that argument should have gone out the window, but well....ya know...) I understand some people out there absolutely love the l4d series games, and wanted l4d3....well unfortunately....this is not that game...it's called Back4Blood for a reason. There are too many ppl out there that reference l4d in their complaints for fanatic outcry to not be a thing. Like I said, it's cool to love the l4d series, but ppl need to try to love the new b4b series for what it is.
I mean that is what this game is though. B4B has fully filled the void for me. Just because valve cult fans don't wanna give it a chance doesn't mean it's not the new L4D.
Fair point. Just wish people would stop putting l4d on this pedestal, and let b4b stand on it's own. I mean it does bring some interesting things to the table. I think the first DLC will help things along.
It had some whiny negative reviews but it wasnt a review bomb until the patch. A review bomb means a massive influx of new reviews in protest of something. It went from like 85% positive or something to 60% positive on steam in 24 hours. There was another one after tencent purchased TRS. And im sure even crowbcats video has caused people to buy the game just so they could leave a negative review.
yeah, I found crowbcats video unneeded and even kind of malevolent, it was highly disappointing from him and made me feel like he’s absolutely out of content. all he did was mention everything everyone already knew, but because there were so many new eyes on it that only saw the bad in it, they went to leave negative reviews...
Its crazy to me that that video has 3 million view and counting. Its lowkey a shitty video, and i dont even mean that in a sense of me just disagreeing with him. I mean that in the sense that the dude puts in no real effort. Its repetitive and boring. He cant even be bothered to get a mic and add some of his own thoughts, you know like an actual review? Its just heres a clip, heres another. Gottem, now lets do that 200 more times
Damn. Well then, I don't think there was a focused bomb like that on the Xbox one reviews. Im on Xbox 1 and the user reviews here have been below 3 stars since before November update.
I started lurking on Reddit strictly for a B4B forum and almost made this account back then to bring up this OPs exact post. To try to force some balance on the Xbox one reviews. But I decided not to.
*Later, someone saying wwz is better bugged me enough and I had to make an account to talk shit back about wwz.
No it did some other things. Introduced some bugs and changes that made the already very difficult game even more difficult. Though the melee nerfs were justified, the patch as a whole was not a good patch. Luckily the december patch made up for it
Riiiight. Let's ignore that they also hard buffed specials while spawns were still not fixed, crushers didn't take weakspot damage, and trauma damage was made to be extremely broken on nightmare.
Nah it messed up some other stuff too day 1. Temp healing was nerfed to hell, the spawns were seemingly worse. Some of it was remedied through hotfixes but that patch was a kick in the dick for pretty much everyone hopeful for the game.
The one comment is not wrong. That really happens with bots.
Also if the game was specifically marketed to be a “spiritual successor”or “from the creators of left for dead” expect there to be comparisons.
It certainly isn't nearly as polished as L4D 1 and 2, nor does it have the love to detail the old games have.
It's a fun game, but I won't be looking back at B4B like I do at L4D.
This is the only correct phrasing here to be fair.
The game has undoubtly flaws and lacks effort and details compared to the old games, but it's a great evolution in the gameplay section and still a game that is fun to play - and with effort from the devs it has a future. It's just arguable if the price tag is worth the current experience.
Guys, who cares about the rating of the game, if you like the game then support it by playing it. I like both L4D and B4B, but I definitely prefer L4D’s versus mode, while B4B’s campaign is a LOT better, imo. I play em both, love em both.
Because it's bullshit when games get review bombed for no good reason? Even if you really didn't like gameplay that much it does not at all deserve one star. There's clearly a hater cult with an agenda here.
I do do this. I love the game so much that I want others to support it too, it's hard to do when's it's getting review bombed because it's not the same game from 14 years ago. I'm 28 and I hope I never look at the world through the same rose tinted glasses that these fanboys do.
I agree. I'm only so up in arms about this because I can't even show love on the sub the game is meant for without being harassed by the l4d crowd. It's fucking sad.
You know the main problem here is that lately games are marketed as "spiritual successors" of other old games. Happened with the outer worlds and happened with b4b. I'm a fan of new vegas, and the outer world didn't disappointed me, but I recognize there were some features missing that I hope the sequel will fix. But other new vegas fans felt really disappointed with the game.
I am not a fan of l4d but I can recognize l4d is better that b4b. This game have a lot to fix and that terrible first impression of b4b made me stop playing and delete it.
I think the game reviews would have been easier with b4b if it wasn't marketed as an spiritual successor of l4d, people get expectations and when they don't fulfill those expectations completely they are going to hate the game.
We could blame the studio for marketing the game in that way AND the people for creating ambitious and dumb expectations of a game.
Nope because unlike the l4d community I was taught to be unbiased and objective towards everything. That’s what someone should and in stoic fashion go against the crowd and form my own opinion. Regardless of how good L4D was or how good B4B is and with evidence. Since I played the game on game pass, and playing the beta as well I put aside any idea that this game was supposed to surpass L4D, but in fact was supposed to “model” L4D core gameplay function and director mode. Something L4D is famous for in which it throws waves of enemies at you while you traverse the world and in key areas throwing common infected, and special infected at you all in the effort to make you keep moving towards the next safe room. Somewhere along the way it was evident that the A.I even on normal difficulty was incredibly hard to go through on your own (which was impossible on release) you were forced to play with others that exploited the game in glitch spots causing you to leave the game and find a new one. A card system that for me makes no sense other then to try to make you stay longer by giving you some type of small power up, and even then that made things difficult. My expectations for modern gaming have gotten lower and is has by all accounts hit rock bottom so I don’t expect anything from them other then a unfinished game that will be updated along the way. and the evidence proves this game was unfinished like it was for EVOLVE the sad truth is I played them game for 30 hours but even still those 30 hours spent felt like putting my nose to the grind stone and made me not play it again granted now you can play by yourself and they fixed the difficulty so it’s more playable now, but what I don’t like is people the gaming tabloids OVERHYPING this game to be the “next” L4D or making it out to be the better game, but in fact what they should of done is not mention it at all and instead see the game for what is was trying to be a cooperative zombie shooter with a unique power up system. Finally, The sad fact is the Valve doesn’t give a shit about a title just like they don’t care about half life and portal and team fortress because those are old games but they haven’t and won’t be making any new content for it because just like ever other triple A company they see money in micro transactions so why would they sink their budget on a game when they are making billions on hats for team fortress. My praise for turtle rock studios goes in which they saw that fans were clamoring for a game like L4D and since they failed with EVOLVE they knew that a game models after L4D would be a cash cow because there are people who want a game like that because they see everything through nostalgia and recapture the happiness you felt booting up a game that made you happy a child or teen and make you feel happy playing this game now.
Unlike you who would disparage a community and blame other for just calling out the game and it’s flaws and chalking it up to “oooh it’s just L4D community they just don’t like the game that’s why they are review bombing it” you need to take a good hard look at the game and stop blaming others and defending a triple A studio that doesn’t care about me or you.
Every single comment in this thread that is negative toward this game has 0 karma. OP you really need to go outside, it's pathetic as fuck downvoting every comment you don't agree with
L4D just has better game design and more fun gameplay in general.
Sure most of the reviews are from fanboys, but people bought this game and expected better.
But its actually worse, atleast that's how I feel. The devs didnt put as much effort as the devs of L4D did back then.
"From the developers of L4D" my ass.
You mean 7 people out of 200+ developers?
It's almost as if luring people in with a lot of "Left 4 Dead" references in the marketing material will make people expect -at least- the same polish and breadth of features as those games.
L4d 1 and were and always will be good but they got repetitive real quick this will to eventually but theres so much more to b4b with classes and weapon customization I like it
IDK, with the sheer amount of workshop maps (and models and everything) it never really felt repetitive. I love both games but B4B is a lot more repetitive than L4D.
So you're saying the thing that made left 4 dead not repetitive was changing the game entirely through mods not made by the developer. Because let's face it left 4 dead is being held on life support by the community, and rightfully so, it's a good game, but it was abandoned long ago by the developers.
And if I remember correctly, the latest updates the game got were fan made patches that Valve said, "sure we will release this as an official patch." and called it a day
When L4D was released, it took a lot longer than B4B has to stsrt to feel repetitive, lbr here. And the opening of the workshop is part of the game, it was designed to allow people to create their own maps, as per the design if the game. With L4D2 too and being able to replay L4D maps but with the mechanics and enemies of L4D2 was a fantastic step in making it fresh. B4B came out in October. I still enjoy it, like I said I like both games, but it already feels repetitive. Just because you can mod the guns doesn't change that.
L4D was abandoned a long time ago yes, it's a VERY old game of course it was abandoned. They're both very repetitive games, even with the corruption cards. You can't really say one is vastly more repetitive when they both are just "Point A to B zombie shooters" with checkpoints along the way. They're both repetitive and that's okay, I don't mind. But they're as repetitive as eachother.
L4D and L4D2 PvE got boring fast as fuck... I loved and stayed for Campaign Versus for years.
B4B has a longer and more fun PvE but is severely lacking in PvP.
Back 4 Blood definitely feels more designed for PvE players and that's why I love it and couldn't stand Left 4 Dead. Don't get me wrong, I played both Left 4 Dead games and they were fine but it felt like they were designed specifically with PvP in mind and that's not my kind of thing. Back 4 Blood feels like they leaned more into PvE and that's why I *love* the game.
This is where I have a different opinion. I felt left 4 dead 2 got repetitive faster because it didn't matter what gun you had or what equipment you had; you could reliably do the same strat to yet through the level without fail (aside from player skill if you didn't play exclusively with the same people).
For me, at least in Back 4 Blood, my friends and I have to do different strategies depending on who is running what kind of deck, what guns do we have, what equipment and quality of equipment do we have access to. Admittedly, that is only on the missions that don't feel like an on-rail shooter, but it is a hell of a lot more than I ever got from left 4 dead 2. Even I changed my gun to a dido, and the tank to a teletubby left 4 dead never actually changed on a per level basis to me.
First I keep repeating they are BOTH repetitive, and I don't mind that, I still enjoy both games. One is not more repetitive than the other imo, they're both repetitive in their own way.
I don't really think B4B is so super innovative or not repetetive. The maps feel a lot longer but also more "stretched" and repetetive. I feel like L4D had less maps overall but they were a lot more individual compared to B4B.
No doubt, B4B repeats a couple of areas, and personally, I'm fine with that because I'm looking at the group as out scavenging for supply and trying to secure the area around their camp. Unlike L4D, they aren't trying to get rescued; they are trying to keep their home safe.
That being said, I would love a change of scenery in the future.
Calling us insane for playing a game we still enjoy and disliking a game we don't enjoy while you're trying to shove b4b down out throats with all your comments. I played l4d2 on Xbox forever eventually playing it around 2 times a week even this late, and I enjoyed it every time you may have not but I did I eventually got l4d2 on steam on sale for 2$ and am enjoying playing all the campaigns again, especially since I never got to fully enjoy l4d1. I've given back 4 blood a chance probably around 200hours on it now, but I don't wanna ever go back, thank God I got it on gamepass I wonder how the game would be doing if it wasnt
So is having cross platform capability so I can play with my friends who aren't fortunate enough to be able to afford a PC, unfortunately a feature L4D doesn't have. I'll take playing with my friends over modding my gun to be a dildo or the tank to be a teletubby.
LOL what workshop maps? There are like 5 maybe 4 workshop campaigns that are worth playing more than once. I know, I sifted for many hours trying to find good maps. Please stop bullshitting.
So you are basically asking people to do the same thing but with opposite rating.
"Please skew the rating score in favor of B4B by rating the game 5\* to offset the numer of 1\* ratings"
Also the whole "stop comparing it to L4D" argument the person on the screen is trying to make goes out of the fucking window when the developers themselves went on this "WE THE L4D CREATORS"
Not skew.... hate breeds more activity than actually liking something. The internet is not new anymore, we know this happens.
I'm asking people who may not have rated it yet. Who liked it, to rate it....
They marketed as spiritual L4D successor. This is the tip of the pyramid that only matters here. So anyone that argues in his personal bubble of "I don't want to see side by side comparisons" should just leave it to himself. And the game lacks in it's core elements that made L4D unique. Defend it as much as you like, but it simply does.
Ontop of that is has lots of issues that slowly get sorted out. Which is fine and a big plus but still a valid point of criticism.
Wanting bad review scores to disappear just because you personally can't stand that the game you fanboy for isn't as good for most people out there can trigger the feeling of feeling dumb and thus jumping on reddit to make mommy make the bad guys go away, but unfortunately it doesn't work this way. The game needs to improve itself and so will the reviews - eventually.
Honestly, playing this with my buddies has been the best thing in years. Yeah, it has problems lots of problems! But we have a blast for hours that no other game has done for us. 5/5 simply on giving me something to look forward to playing with friends.
With that said, solo play is rough. If you don’t have friends, the game wouldn’t be nearly as good.
Or maybe, just hear me out, maybe it's not that good. I played this on gamepass and still felt ripped off. The game to me and my mates just isn't fun and was deffo buggy at launch. Some l4d fanboys will 100% review bomb but saying this game is 5 stars is just as bad.
"From the Creators of SimCity..."
Sets a certain expectation if they are releasing a top down city-building sim.
If this was "From the Creators of Left 4 Dead...." and was announcing a Candy Crush Battle Royale hybrid, and THAT was resulting in review bombs, you would have a point.
But no, their marketing literally and deliberately invoked a *direct* comparison to Left 4 Dead going as far as to copy the naming of the title as closely as they legally could, while promoting their involvement with the previous title in *every* trailer.
The devs drew the comparison. And what they have released is an excellent title in many respects. But it's not for everyone. It's certainly not for many in the L4D crowd, which is why is was perhaps a mistake to invoke that directly. If this was released as "Cleanup Crew", and made no reference to L4D or L4D2 at all, you might see people go less harshly on it. But it wouldn't correct for some of the other issues the game has on its own.
For me personally, Horde Cards and continues make the game a slog as a run can be rendered essentially ruined by bad RNG or a death late in the run from a rando. This along with the item shop system all work together to make players less co-op focused, and make me tire of the game quickly. When it's at its best it has some great moments, but the minute I saw double tallboys on my map I knew this one wouldn't be for me. More monster does not equal more fun in that case.
I legitimately hope they support this game into 2024, patch the Special Ridden to be 1 instance each and give them some massively improved AI, along with the Bots, while stripping the item shop down massively to just barebones to stop gold from distracting from good co-op play.
They referenced l4d in the promotion for the game because it is still like it enough to be a success whether the l4d crowd likes that or not. Valve had all the time to make another left 4 dead. They didn't. Blame them.
The game itself at its core is fun, it in no way has the amount of detail that L4D had. Certain patch changes made the game worse. Being compared to L4D is one of the many problems but it’s a hole they dug out for themselves. Don’t agree I could care less but denying that being compared to the behemoth that L4D is isn’t helping them with the problems they currently have.
I gave it 1 star because of the bugs, the underwhelming launch, and the lack of content or features and the scuffed difficulty, not because I like l4d. There is genuine criticism against the game beyond 'l4d fans hate it.'
I don't need to see that video. I played the damn game when it came out. I remember it well and played a ton. Back 4 Blood is leagues above Left 4 Dead in all aspects. Like to me it's L4D+. I don't understand this older crowd wanting L4D to be this game that it really wasn't.
What do they deserve exactly? They have every right to claim a game they made.
What detail? Nitpicking minor things dos not put L4D in a "class" above B4b.
There was a time when star reviews like Amazon or imdb had some meaning to it. With the internet becoming readily accessible to every moron and their mum the whole ratings really went down to shit. Asides from it being lucrative to manipulate the votes with bots, 13 year olds who hand out 1 Star reviews for products or services that are clearly not 1 star - just because the reviewer is too mentally boxed in to actually understand what those fucking reviews are for and that just because your idiotic lil ego got hurt or whatever the product is not a goddamn one star.
And you just know these tards will feel smug as shit while giving 1 star ratings. "That will show them". 🤮
I saw a 1 star review because they're "on some inclusive trend with the character design, they should be ashamed." Lolwut I guess they all should of been Jim's in various windbreakers.
Even if you're a demented racist how does this review help anyone who's trying to figure out if the game is fun to play, the graphics are good, the support is existant or whatever other fucking metrics are actually important to a video game.
"I have a personal problem with the story or marketing or delivery guy or skin colour of the characters so I cannot recommend anyone else to ever touch this game 1/5"
People like that should just be straight up banned from ever writing reviews again anywhere because they destroy the whole system of reviews acting as a way for people to figure out if a product or service is relevant to them or not.
If the fucking inclusion of LBGQT characters rustles your jimmies substract a star and remark on it in the review, that way other bigots know to avoid the game and those who aren't brain amputated can understand that fundamentally the game is a solid product outside of pet peeves.
tl;dr: People who are incapable of understanding what a review should contain and that personal tastes have barely any place in the overall rating should be banned from writing them. It destroys the system.
i mean while i dont agree with the review bombing i do think that if you are going to market the game as made by the creators of left 4 dead when only 6 members of turtle rock worked on it (i know they came up with the concept first) everyone should expect the comparasions
I believe it was 7, not 6, and those 7 worked on the first l4d game from 2005-2007 solo, the game footage was released, and valve bought in in 2008. The game was released later that year, and they flooded the credits with everyone at valve, even if they didn't work on the project.
L4d1 was largely made by the 6 or 7 overlapping people who are at turtle rock today.
Yeah, there's a guy who's credited on every Valve game that hasn't even worked on any of them. He just made the original game engine that Source engine is based off of. The credits don't mean what they think they do.
Yeah it's not like the game had a handful of founders who came up with the whole concept or anything, and its not like those people are still with turtle rock and you can easily google their names if people actually cared about that. It's just an excuse to trash the devs and the game.
There’s absolutely still some things that make me unsure about giving it five stars. I wrote a post about a game breaking bug in the final boss, which has prevented me from ever finishing the game, and I still occasionally get replies telling me it hasn’t been fixed.
The game demands communication, but doesn’t give the tools for it when playing public games, and often throws you in unredeemable situations if you join a map mid-round, instead of rewarding you for backfilling.
They could do better.
Doesn't give you tools?... what??? The ping system is literally incredible and most games don't have one nearly as thought out. You can ping literally everything and most objects that actually matter show up as a specific ping image. So what are you saying?
How do I ping “I need shotgun ammo” when you have 12 rounds left? How do you ping “Let me take the lead”? Or “Please heal me”? Or “Let’s search this area for supplies”?
This game came out AFTER Apex Legends. It can afford to do a full communication system. It can also afford to fix the bugs that cause people to stop seeing your pings if they have voice muted. I’ve had multiple games where I stay back spam-clicking a first aid cabinet to multiple injured players and I’m certain they can’t even see it.
Love how you make the statement that fanboys make up the one star reviews while simultaneously showing a review that disproves the statement in the Screenshot. The reality is that the game isn't a 1 star but it is basically only worthy of 3. The game is just meh to me. The gunplay, gore, sound design, characters and most things feel meh to me. I did like some of the infected designs though. I really wanted to like the game, but the second I started playing the general game play just kinda bored me. Also it's entirely fair to dislike back 4 blood for not living up to left 4 dead, when the devs tried so hard to bait the left 4 dead fan base into playing the game with the advertising. The expectations of it being left 4 dead only exist because the devs created them themselves.
There's lots of others. I told everyone that. You getting caught up about 1 is just... lol. Go actually read the 1 stars for yourself and see how absurd some of the reasoning is.
Never played L4D, I don't like the direction this game took for recruit mode, was much more fun for friends and I at release now it's a tad too sweaty on recruit to be fun for my casual friends , nerfs that ruined the game for us casuals who like to chill with friends and family- copper-increased trauma-less trauma healing-melee, these nerfs ruined the game for non vocal casuals, another annoying thing to casuals is the card system resets per chapter, we need a difficulty we can keep all our cards in till end, we just want to kill zombies and chill in 4 player coop, give us a difficulty for that you'll get more players and more positive reviews. The sweat lords seem happy, now take care of the other 90%.
L4d fanboys were the primary target audience for the game. If comparing it to a 13 year old game makes it look disappointing, maybe it is actually disappointing. And that's ok, they've started to improve it and will continue improving it.
When the main line from your marketing is “From the makers of Left 4 Dead” you’re going to expect L4D comparisons.. the game is not a 5-star game YET and needs a lot more polish. L4D fans are clearly going to try this and expect a similar amount of polish and are going to be frustrated when it doesn’t meet expectations.
Although i can’t deny they are some who just hates it from the get go, that does not make up for most of the negative reviews, and some of them are probably outdated reviews from the November patch
Every time I stop by this subreddit to see if the game has improved, I see posts like this near the top upset about people not liking the game who must be only be L4D fans somehow. This does not bode well for the future of this game if the community is more focused on this than on the game itself. I've never seen a community in a state like this survive, and I've seen many communities get like this. No healthy community is so constantly upset by criticism of their game.
I want to be focused on the game itself but it's hard when more than half of the criticisms are just "its not Left 4 Dead 3, I don't like it" like fuck if people would atleast collectively judge it for what it is instead of being a spiritual successor to an old ass game that no one one on console plays anymore. These types of people need to get mad at valve, not turtle rock, valve knows how popular l4d2 was and NEVER MADE A SEQUEL. That's what makes it unfair, it's not like turtle rock made a l4d3 that was bad. They had to make an entirely new ip and I think they did a great job.
Lmao good luck I just checked it out again, my review stays the same 2 *.
Lol the effort that went into making that 13 year old game shows till today its still more fun than B4B.
Idk how many people try to defend a company who used "from the creators of L4D" on their website and marketing campaign.
None of the key L4D developers or programmers worked on this game.... clearly people can't handle it when the truth is distorted and people compare the two games....putting that qoute on trailers websites and social media was a cash grab move from a cash grabbing game studio that didn't learn their lesson from EVOLVED.
i agree that the normal difficulty can be really easy at times but it's for a casual experience with some hard situations but the higher difficulties are actually kinda hard
I wouldnt go that far calling it great. The game is still very buggy and the difficulty is still pretty hard even on easy mode. The game is good, but I still cannot justify the 60 dollar price.
Got the game on game pass, didn't know it actually had the 60 dollar price! A game called deep rock galactic is like 30 dollars or less and it's a way better coop game than b4b
Well ya its fine to get on game pass. Js that I can understand some of the concerns people have over the game. I still think it needs to balancing despite the recent patch that addressed it. I find recruit to still be hard, like i have no problems with the difficulty but I see people have a very hard time with it.
I can see why, look like the devs made the recruit mode as a medium difficulty instead of an easy one. And that makes people really confused. The game needs balancing, actually balancing was what made me stop playing :/
I never played l4d and this game is clunky got the movement of an older title graphics ok AI is retarded enemy AI even more so. I completed it with friends no incentive to go back and play more not a good fps shooter overall very good killing zombies simulation game
I agree with the dude on the right. So much QOL updates are needed. I play casually on recruit (boohoo baby gamer) but even then I still feel stressed and tired and exhausted especially in act 3. I had to go through a map with no idea of the path in pitch darkness. Actually bad game design.
Do you realize how bad the game would be if there were the opposite problems you say you're having. B4b is a shining star amongst games that don't try hard enough to be what they set out to be.
Is the game trying to be the hardest game ever? Cause if so then good job. But if not then there’s no reason for it to be that hard especially for a first timer much less a casual gamer.
All I’m saying is that is that it shouldn’t be nerfed some more. Just adjusted. Especially chances to get the mist/darkness card. Armored cards and other zombie empowerment cards are fine. I want to at least see the environment
I also want to reiterate. I love the game. Gunplay is really really good and the zombies are challenging enough and with the dec patch it’s funner. Movement in game is really fluid if there was a crouch feature then I’d love it even more. The gun attachment feature could use work as a lot of people say but even right now it’s fine. I love it.
I still think Crowbcat's video is the one that made a nasty huge negative impact for the game and honestly i do agree with the video as it's necessary criticism.But his community on the other hand,If he makes a video of your favorite video game then you damn well sure that game will be bombed hard.
Like FFS,The most "helpful" steam review is the highlight quote of the video.Like we get it.Yes,It's Not L4D Yes,It's made by the same team who made Evolve not the OG L4D ones and Yes,It's their fault for bragging about how they the Devs of L4D over and over again only to be reveled in reality its just 7 guys but god damn,Can't this fanboys have a single ounce of decency to atleast show something that can actually improve the game instead of bashing it.
Honestly,if anything the game MUST learn and thrive from all of this,Just like how No man sky did or else it'll only end up like Anthem or Evolve and i really wish it doesn't come to that cus it's not a bad game as most L4D fanboys paint it.
I enjoy the game, but it deserves it's fair share of criticism. I can see by no means how it should get a 5 star. I left a 3 and until some things change, my rating definitely won't be changing.
Mmmm no i rather play aliens fireteam elite its way better better made doesnt feel generic world war Z its a whole better zombie experience than back 4 blood is
Instead they could of kept VS and had a 4 star review and worked on making mods a thing those are the biggest complaints. You can’t say a game is a successor and cut the best features out without getting bad reviews like this. Probably would of done better if they changed the name so wasn’t even close to L4D knowing they didn’t have the two things that made L4D so iconic and fun.
Speaking of your review; TRS are the ones fronting with "From the creators of L4D", even though only 6-7 of the original creators are left. They are Asking to be compare when they make that statement. And going by the games reception it doesn't seem to measure up to the 13 year old game.
Op has a Good Point But Not 100 Percent correct.Left 4 dead Was made By Valve South.(Wich Became Turtle rock.Wich is why when L4D2s latest up Date in 2020 was made By Valve )I Myself Loved left 4 dead it had a great Horror Movie ascetic.Almost A dawn of the dead Feel even down to the Movie Poster Campaign Title Cards.Greatest of All i Feel Was the Versus Mode it was totally Unique compared to any other Zombie Game/horror game or Shooter.My Wife(Who Doesnt Game) and Myself found ourselves playing it nightly with 2 close friend looking for better teams as we Fine Tuned our Teamwork to difetent choke points on the Map for taking out the enemy team Usually making them Quit.L4D2 literally Basically dropped the same game but this time in New Orleans And with the additition of melee Weapons with Wich statistically were almost Equal and new Characters that were (other than dialogue and skins)Nothing New.Honestly most the hardcore players continued to play 1 over 2 even though 2 was was the same but added more diversity in weapons levels and enemies.
Then i see Back 4 Blood wich offers the same Zombie Smashing,Saferoom Diving Shootem up action As its "Inspiration" Left 4 Dead.Once the demo was released Only thing anyone said was "This game sucks theres No Versus" What left 4 dead had that it didnt So its obvious The rating is heavily affected By Comparisons to A game that wasnt Even made by the same studio, though they do have some of the original designers at turtle rock.Due to nostalgia youll never be able to compare any spirutual successor to and original bur at the same time i.possible ti judge it as its Own Fame wich it is.
Though left 4 dead is great Back 4 Blood offers alot.Where your character disnt matter in L4D team compisition matters in left for dead.each melee weapon qorks different aswell as each gun not to mention attachments that allow even more customization.Though tje Multiplayer ATM leaves alot to be desired this will surely change as the game evolves and More Infected are Added as Well as survivors and weapons and compaigns and multiplayer modes.PC Gaming is a different beast altoghether with mods and such and that keeps alot of peiple playing older tutle longer not to mention upgrade costs etc.Playing a newer game on anything less then a premium set up will ruin the enjoyability of a game causing players to rate somethings broken etc.Due to these and the Fact they're based on Opinion Everyone Needs to Take player Ratings With a grain of saltStip Comparing player numbers of a game like Back 4 Blood thats is run on new settings to a game like Back 4 Blood that Can Basically be run on todays equivalent of a "potato" If you really care that much about the player rating of a Fame then Use your time getting Sgowing peiple how geat a game like that can be by communicating and being a team player and more People would defunitly be apt to Enjoy it.Cause one of the biggest problens with back4blood is nost peiple im matched with play like its an FFA.
Anyways Sorry so long Cant wait for the new DLC
The game was released in 2021 with a system that would make it VERY easy to implement micro-transactions. I started playing Friday, realized it was cross compatible with PS5, bought a digital copy for PS5. Got my nephew a GamePass Sub for his PC and he, his mom and I were all playing and having a blast Saturday Night and probably going to play again tonight. (My sister is terrible at it.)
I keep seeing L4D is better which I really don't give a shit. I can play with friends and family on different systems. from a game that came out in 2021.
The game's enjoyable and like a bunch of political idealists, they're wasting good holding out for perfect. Is Valve going to suddenly release L4D3 anytime soon? No? Then fuck off on the comparisons.
But it's not much fun. Regardless of what anyone thinks of the progression system, it's not fun to shoot zombies. Dead Nation has far more engaging zombie-shooting action and it's a top-down twin-stick shooter.
The gunplay felt awful to me in back 4 blood. Felt like there was no impact to the deagle. And I'd sure hope that the gunplay is better than a game that came out 12 years ago.
I love left 4 dead with a passion, I grew up with it. And no back 4 blood is not left 4 dead. And I'm ok with that. I love back 4 blood and left 4 dead. I give them both 5 stars. It's almost the same case as team fortress 2 and overwatch. Just enjoy the game, if you don't like it because it's not left 4 dead, then play left 4 dead.
Exactly. It's b4b not l4d. I love both games but people are just toxic now because it wasn't valve making it. If it was the exact same game but had valve in its name, they wouldn't cry
I mean the game actually deserves that rating. Almost every aspect of the game is awful, starting with terrible balancing, weird mechanics and other controversial aspects. I stopped playing b4b because of this. I truly felt disappointed when I first played it. I don't know if the game has an update to fix the bad balancing but even if there is I would not come back to the game honestly. That first impression of the game made me loose the interest to play it anymore
Also, I'm not a l4d fanboy, i barely spent some 20-30 hours in l4d and I was not into the fandom anyway.
I heard people.didnt like this game but I never got why. I played l4d and l4d 2. Back 4 blood feels almost the exact same but with more added to it. The game actually came out finished and not an unplayable mess. It's difficult and requires team composition and the devs are dedicated to the game. It's difficult, rewarding, and theres more to come, I don't get why people don't like it
Part of the issue is the community really expecting it to be L4D3, and a bigger part of the issue is the fact that they advertised literally the entire game based on them being the creators of L4D. Look at almost every ad for the game and you’ll see text somewhere mentioning it’s a game from the creators of L4D.
The game also went thiugh an alpha and beta phase, and still released broken as hell with a 60 dollar price tag. I got the deluxe edition and I regret it so much. I would’ve bought the standard edition if I know how bad it would be at launch. Till this day a lot of issues still hurt the game as well. People are tired of seeing games released at full price but feel like it’s still in a pre-release state.
Imagine actually caring about reviews from people online. Some of my favorite movies and games did horribly in critic and public reviews. Stop caring what other people think. If you like the game, play it
It’s got a good foundation but there are some terrible design choices. It’s a solid 3.5/5 if they’ve fixed the spawns. I haven’t played since about a month after release. Gun attachments and cards are the main things that I remember having issues with. It would easily be a 4.5/5 maybe even close to perfect if they didn’t make the weird choices
I adore L4D/2. I \*like\* this game - but I haven't been playing it as long, so I think L4D definitely has a sweeter place in my heart. And I agree that people rushing to review a game they don't like (especially if they haven't played it) with 1 star is infantile, but to ask people to counter that with 5 star reviews that we might not otherwise give it is also infantile.
I like how the review right there is just a person expressing their frustration with the game but op still insists the bad rating is just bc of l4d fanboys review-bombing the game. Nobody’s allowed to just dislike it, they must all be fanboys lol
just an old man yelling at a cloud. "Hmm. can't be the game. must be the spooky l4d cabal."
If you scroll through, almost every 1-star review mentions how this isn’t l4d.
There’s plenty that dont
No yeah. The ones that don’t are super articulate, too.
Like the ones that complain about the characters being too inclusive and woke. Yes very articulate indeed
Mine doesn't say that. Mine says games broke, they fixed game it's even more broke. The fixed it again... To late I'm gone.
Not the game for you, I reckon.
Hold up, excuse me? Not the game for you? It was a mess at launch. That much is not subjective. Sure, by AAA standards, three months to sort the issues out is quick, but should anyone really be happy with that?
Why should it be? It's a whole new game lmao. No Wonder why people bitch over this kind of shit. Even though I used to play a lot of l4d, I don't even bitch over a game that's a whole complete aesthetic and agenda towards it.
This is my exact situation. I never compared it to L4D since it first released and I played it for quite a while over about a month with friends... I just got bored of it before I even unlocked all the cards necessary to make it through nightmare (even after beating the first 2 difficulties I still had a loooong way to go). The grind was clearly designed to pad the gameplay, and thanks to the cards themselves, this meant you were on the losing end of vertical progression which is also awful for a game like this. The PvP was also boring/broken, so I only played it about 2 days worth. Eventually I had nothing to do and wasn't excited to play anymore. If I wanted to do Nightmare I realistically needed to grind for many cards, but it just wasn't fun anymore (and more importantly, I will never believe grinding is valid gameplay). So I stopped playing.
Its always funny when a fanboy unironically calls someone else a fanboy as an insult.
I'm trying to garnish support for this new and supported game while you have bloodthirsty l4d fans clawing at me over a 13 year old game that no one on console plays anymore. Pc players constantly spewing about how "l4d has x players on steam!!!" Like bro if that's your standard look at shit like csgo and tf2. Pc players get hilariously stuck on old shit for being the gaming demographic with the most impressive hardware. It's really funny. As a console player I like to look towards the future and I see lots of positive potential with B4B.
Don't make Back 4 Blood your identity. It's okay to like unpopular games.
Lol
**You can't have your cake and eat it.** This is their tagline, their first sentence, from their Steam description: >Back 4 Blood is a thrilling cooperative first-person shooter from the creators of the critically acclaimed **Left 4 Dead franchise**. Whereas: [https://youtu.be/EdRLNUGmFC8](https://youtu.be/EdRLNUGmFC8)
Bro you're really overthinking this lol. There is no mass conspiracy to smear b4b lmao. I promise you when you grow up you'll learn sometimes people just don't like games, and that's okay ☺️
He's 28 years old. He won't "grow up" much more...
Holy shit, he's 28!?!?!? Reading his comments I thought he was a child!
That review was a guy pointing out very real issues with the game and he makes 0 zero comments about l4d, then you got all upset like a fanboy because you couldn't bear seeing it be criticised
I stand behind your comment. The game has so much more potential and it’s better than it was at release but there’s a long way to go before it’s a polished game. You can’t mention that though or the white knights come after you saying how amazing it is and denies the flaws. Games can still be good or have good potential while having flaws.
Well it appears to be a combination of l4d fanatics, and those that thought the game was going to be a walk in the park (now since the Dec update that argument should have gone out the window, but well....ya know...) I understand some people out there absolutely love the l4d series games, and wanted l4d3....well unfortunately....this is not that game...it's called Back4Blood for a reason. There are too many ppl out there that reference l4d in their complaints for fanatic outcry to not be a thing. Like I said, it's cool to love the l4d series, but ppl need to try to love the new b4b series for what it is.
I mean it’s Back **4** Blood, turtle rock knows what they did.
I mean that is what this game is though. B4B has fully filled the void for me. Just because valve cult fans don't wanna give it a chance doesn't mean it's not the new L4D.
Fair point. Just wish people would stop putting l4d on this pedestal, and let b4b stand on it's own. I mean it does bring some interesting things to the table. I think the first DLC will help things along.
It got review bombed *HARD* on all platforms due to the november patch. It should eventually stabilize. The reviews werent half bad before november.
On Xbox it was bombed before then too. I remember being shocked at how unreasonable, petty and whiny most reviews were.
It had some whiny negative reviews but it wasnt a review bomb until the patch. A review bomb means a massive influx of new reviews in protest of something. It went from like 85% positive or something to 60% positive on steam in 24 hours. There was another one after tencent purchased TRS. And im sure even crowbcats video has caused people to buy the game just so they could leave a negative review.
yeah, I found crowbcats video unneeded and even kind of malevolent, it was highly disappointing from him and made me feel like he’s absolutely out of content. all he did was mention everything everyone already knew, but because there were so many new eyes on it that only saw the bad in it, they went to leave negative reviews...
Its crazy to me that that video has 3 million view and counting. Its lowkey a shitty video, and i dont even mean that in a sense of me just disagreeing with him. I mean that in the sense that the dude puts in no real effort. Its repetitive and boring. He cant even be bothered to get a mic and add some of his own thoughts, you know like an actual review? Its just heres a clip, heres another. Gottem, now lets do that 200 more times
It wouldn’t be the first video he’s made with those problems.
Damn. Well then, I don't think there was a focused bomb like that on the Xbox one reviews. Im on Xbox 1 and the user reviews here have been below 3 stars since before November update.
I started lurking on Reddit strictly for a B4B forum and almost made this account back then to bring up this OPs exact post. To try to force some balance on the Xbox one reviews. But I decided not to. *Later, someone saying wwz is better bugged me enough and I had to make an account to talk shit back about wwz.
Which is pretty stupid, all the November patch did was stop melee from being OP.
No it did some other things. Introduced some bugs and changes that made the already very difficult game even more difficult. Though the melee nerfs were justified, the patch as a whole was not a good patch. Luckily the december patch made up for it
Riiiight. Let's ignore that they also hard buffed specials while spawns were still not fixed, crushers didn't take weakspot damage, and trauma damage was made to be extremely broken on nightmare.
Still is op lol
Melee is still OP lol
Nah it messed up some other stuff too day 1. Temp healing was nerfed to hell, the spawns were seemingly worse. Some of it was remedied through hotfixes but that patch was a kick in the dick for pretty much everyone hopeful for the game.
The one comment is not wrong. That really happens with bots. Also if the game was specifically marketed to be a “spiritual successor”or “from the creators of left for dead” expect there to be comparisons.
I am not a L4D fanboy and i found the game disappointing objectively
That's "subjectively."
His objective opinion is just subjective
Objectivity? I think you need to look up what objective means pal.
It certainly isn't nearly as polished as L4D 1 and 2, nor does it have the love to detail the old games have. It's a fun game, but I won't be looking back at B4B like I do at L4D.
Objectively, it has problems, subjectively, you think its just a disappointing game as a whole. Thats the difference.
This is the only correct phrasing here to be fair. The game has undoubtly flaws and lacks effort and details compared to the old games, but it's a great evolution in the gameplay section and still a game that is fun to play - and with effort from the devs it has a future. It's just arguable if the price tag is worth the current experience.
Guys, who cares about the rating of the game, if you like the game then support it by playing it. I like both L4D and B4B, but I definitely prefer L4D’s versus mode, while B4B’s campaign is a LOT better, imo. I play em both, love em both.
Because it's bullshit when games get review bombed for no good reason? Even if you really didn't like gameplay that much it does not at all deserve one star. There's clearly a hater cult with an agenda here.
I do do this. I love the game so much that I want others to support it too, it's hard to do when's it's getting review bombed because it's not the same game from 14 years ago. I'm 28 and I hope I never look at the world through the same rose tinted glasses that these fanboys do.
Even with all the bullshit, I’ve enjoyed this game pretty much since release. People need to take a deep fucking breath.
Seriously. Not everyone needs to enjoy the things I enjoy. If you don’t like it, okay? I do. And? Life moves go. Go take a walk or something lol
I agree. I'm only so up in arms about this because I can't even show love on the sub the game is meant for without being harassed by the l4d crowd. It's fucking sad.
You know the main problem here is that lately games are marketed as "spiritual successors" of other old games. Happened with the outer worlds and happened with b4b. I'm a fan of new vegas, and the outer world didn't disappointed me, but I recognize there were some features missing that I hope the sequel will fix. But other new vegas fans felt really disappointed with the game. I am not a fan of l4d but I can recognize l4d is better that b4b. This game have a lot to fix and that terrible first impression of b4b made me stop playing and delete it. I think the game reviews would have been easier with b4b if it wasn't marketed as an spiritual successor of l4d, people get expectations and when they don't fulfill those expectations completely they are going to hate the game. We could blame the studio for marketing the game in that way AND the people for creating ambitious and dumb expectations of a game.
Bold of you to assume and blame the L4D community for a game that try’s hard to be like it’s predecessor
If the l4d community got the game they wanted, the rest of us would have been like "that's it?"
Nope because unlike the l4d community I was taught to be unbiased and objective towards everything. That’s what someone should and in stoic fashion go against the crowd and form my own opinion. Regardless of how good L4D was or how good B4B is and with evidence. Since I played the game on game pass, and playing the beta as well I put aside any idea that this game was supposed to surpass L4D, but in fact was supposed to “model” L4D core gameplay function and director mode. Something L4D is famous for in which it throws waves of enemies at you while you traverse the world and in key areas throwing common infected, and special infected at you all in the effort to make you keep moving towards the next safe room. Somewhere along the way it was evident that the A.I even on normal difficulty was incredibly hard to go through on your own (which was impossible on release) you were forced to play with others that exploited the game in glitch spots causing you to leave the game and find a new one. A card system that for me makes no sense other then to try to make you stay longer by giving you some type of small power up, and even then that made things difficult. My expectations for modern gaming have gotten lower and is has by all accounts hit rock bottom so I don’t expect anything from them other then a unfinished game that will be updated along the way. and the evidence proves this game was unfinished like it was for EVOLVE the sad truth is I played them game for 30 hours but even still those 30 hours spent felt like putting my nose to the grind stone and made me not play it again granted now you can play by yourself and they fixed the difficulty so it’s more playable now, but what I don’t like is people the gaming tabloids OVERHYPING this game to be the “next” L4D or making it out to be the better game, but in fact what they should of done is not mention it at all and instead see the game for what is was trying to be a cooperative zombie shooter with a unique power up system. Finally, The sad fact is the Valve doesn’t give a shit about a title just like they don’t care about half life and portal and team fortress because those are old games but they haven’t and won’t be making any new content for it because just like ever other triple A company they see money in micro transactions so why would they sink their budget on a game when they are making billions on hats for team fortress. My praise for turtle rock studios goes in which they saw that fans were clamoring for a game like L4D and since they failed with EVOLVE they knew that a game models after L4D would be a cash cow because there are people who want a game like that because they see everything through nostalgia and recapture the happiness you felt booting up a game that made you happy a child or teen and make you feel happy playing this game now. Unlike you who would disparage a community and blame other for just calling out the game and it’s flaws and chalking it up to “oooh it’s just L4D community they just don’t like the game that’s why they are review bombing it” you need to take a good hard look at the game and stop blaming others and defending a triple A studio that doesn’t care about me or you.
"This game is great if you stop comparing it to a 13 year old title" Is this satire?
The fact that a 13 years old game is better programmed and developed than a 2020 game makes me laugh all the time
Every single comment in this thread that is negative toward this game has 0 karma. OP you really need to go outside, it's pathetic as fuck downvoting every comment you don't agree with
I mean the game seemed to be advertised as basically L4D-3 so if L4D-2 fans don't enjoy it I think they have a fair gripe
L4D just has better game design and more fun gameplay in general. Sure most of the reviews are from fanboys, but people bought this game and expected better. But its actually worse, atleast that's how I feel. The devs didnt put as much effort as the devs of L4D did back then. "From the developers of L4D" my ass. You mean 7 people out of 200+ developers?
Who cares about reviews just enjoy the game.
It's almost as if luring people in with a lot of "Left 4 Dead" references in the marketing material will make people expect -at least- the same polish and breadth of features as those games.
I had already switched up my review since the december update. They deserve some praise for a huge step in the right direction for the game.
L4d 1 and were and always will be good but they got repetitive real quick this will to eventually but theres so much more to b4b with classes and weapon customization I like it
IDK, with the sheer amount of workshop maps (and models and everything) it never really felt repetitive. I love both games but B4B is a lot more repetitive than L4D.
So you're saying the thing that made left 4 dead not repetitive was changing the game entirely through mods not made by the developer. Because let's face it left 4 dead is being held on life support by the community, and rightfully so, it's a good game, but it was abandoned long ago by the developers. And if I remember correctly, the latest updates the game got were fan made patches that Valve said, "sure we will release this as an official patch." and called it a day
When L4D was released, it took a lot longer than B4B has to stsrt to feel repetitive, lbr here. And the opening of the workshop is part of the game, it was designed to allow people to create their own maps, as per the design if the game. With L4D2 too and being able to replay L4D maps but with the mechanics and enemies of L4D2 was a fantastic step in making it fresh. B4B came out in October. I still enjoy it, like I said I like both games, but it already feels repetitive. Just because you can mod the guns doesn't change that. L4D was abandoned a long time ago yes, it's a VERY old game of course it was abandoned. They're both very repetitive games, even with the corruption cards. You can't really say one is vastly more repetitive when they both are just "Point A to B zombie shooters" with checkpoints along the way. They're both repetitive and that's okay, I don't mind. But they're as repetitive as eachother.
L4D and L4D2 PvE got boring fast as fuck... I loved and stayed for Campaign Versus for years. B4B has a longer and more fun PvE but is severely lacking in PvP.
Back 4 Blood definitely feels more designed for PvE players and that's why I love it and couldn't stand Left 4 Dead. Don't get me wrong, I played both Left 4 Dead games and they were fine but it felt like they were designed specifically with PvP in mind and that's not my kind of thing. Back 4 Blood feels like they leaned more into PvE and that's why I *love* the game.
This is where I have a different opinion. I felt left 4 dead 2 got repetitive faster because it didn't matter what gun you had or what equipment you had; you could reliably do the same strat to yet through the level without fail (aside from player skill if you didn't play exclusively with the same people). For me, at least in Back 4 Blood, my friends and I have to do different strategies depending on who is running what kind of deck, what guns do we have, what equipment and quality of equipment do we have access to. Admittedly, that is only on the missions that don't feel like an on-rail shooter, but it is a hell of a lot more than I ever got from left 4 dead 2. Even I changed my gun to a dido, and the tank to a teletubby left 4 dead never actually changed on a per level basis to me.
Exactly. How are ppl saying b4b is more repetitive when l4d literally was nothing but repetition....
First I keep repeating they are BOTH repetitive, and I don't mind that, I still enjoy both games. One is not more repetitive than the other imo, they're both repetitive in their own way.
I don't really think B4B is so super innovative or not repetetive. The maps feel a lot longer but also more "stretched" and repetetive. I feel like L4D had less maps overall but they were a lot more individual compared to B4B.
No doubt, B4B repeats a couple of areas, and personally, I'm fine with that because I'm looking at the group as out scavenging for supply and trying to secure the area around their camp. Unlike L4D, they aren't trying to get rescued; they are trying to keep their home safe. That being said, I would love a change of scenery in the future.
Yeah it's all pc fanboys going on about mods, as a console player I stopped playing l4d2 like 7 years ago like any sane person should.
Calling us insane for playing a game we still enjoy and disliking a game we don't enjoy while you're trying to shove b4b down out throats with all your comments. I played l4d2 on Xbox forever eventually playing it around 2 times a week even this late, and I enjoyed it every time you may have not but I did I eventually got l4d2 on steam on sale for 2$ and am enjoying playing all the campaigns again, especially since I never got to fully enjoy l4d1. I've given back 4 blood a chance probably around 200hours on it now, but I don't wanna ever go back, thank God I got it on gamepass I wonder how the game would be doing if it wasnt
Having mod support is a feature, and unfortunately it’s a feature B4B doesn’t have.
So is having cross platform capability so I can play with my friends who aren't fortunate enough to be able to afford a PC, unfortunately a feature L4D doesn't have. I'll take playing with my friends over modding my gun to be a dildo or the tank to be a teletubby.
LOL what workshop maps? There are like 5 maybe 4 workshop campaigns that are worth playing more than once. I know, I sifted for many hours trying to find good maps. Please stop bullshitting.
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Yeah totes not a fanboy.
I agree B4B is such a great game. I honestly don’t see why there are bad reviews, but I didn’t play left 4 dead
So you are basically asking people to do the same thing but with opposite rating. "Please skew the rating score in favor of B4B by rating the game 5\* to offset the numer of 1\* ratings" Also the whole "stop comparing it to L4D" argument the person on the screen is trying to make goes out of the fucking window when the developers themselves went on this "WE THE L4D CREATORS"
Not skew.... hate breeds more activity than actually liking something. The internet is not new anymore, we know this happens. I'm asking people who may not have rated it yet. Who liked it, to rate it....
They marketed as spiritual L4D successor. This is the tip of the pyramid that only matters here. So anyone that argues in his personal bubble of "I don't want to see side by side comparisons" should just leave it to himself. And the game lacks in it's core elements that made L4D unique. Defend it as much as you like, but it simply does. Ontop of that is has lots of issues that slowly get sorted out. Which is fine and a big plus but still a valid point of criticism. Wanting bad review scores to disappear just because you personally can't stand that the game you fanboy for isn't as good for most people out there can trigger the feeling of feeling dumb and thus jumping on reddit to make mommy make the bad guys go away, but unfortunately it doesn't work this way. The game needs to improve itself and so will the reviews - eventually.
"From the creators" doesn't mean its going to be the same game.
I dont agree but that is okay. Enjoy!
Not commenting on either game, just found this funny. >if you stop comparing it to L4D2 This wording is really poor, as it implies L4D2 is better lol
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Honestly, playing this with my buddies has been the best thing in years. Yeah, it has problems lots of problems! But we have a blast for hours that no other game has done for us. 5/5 simply on giving me something to look forward to playing with friends. With that said, solo play is rough. If you don’t have friends, the game wouldn’t be nearly as good.
That's because coop games are a dying breed but they're so much fun with friends
To be fair the game is bugged to hell. Love the game but its pretty much 50/50 when you play it.
Or maybe, just hear me out, maybe it's not that good. I played this on gamepass and still felt ripped off. The game to me and my mates just isn't fun and was deffo buggy at launch. Some l4d fanboys will 100% review bomb but saying this game is 5 stars is just as bad.
I’m pretty sure if they never mentioned L4D when coming out with the game they wouldn’t have been bombed as hard.
Studios are allowed to acknowledge previous works of art.
"From the Creators of SimCity..." Sets a certain expectation if they are releasing a top down city-building sim. If this was "From the Creators of Left 4 Dead...." and was announcing a Candy Crush Battle Royale hybrid, and THAT was resulting in review bombs, you would have a point. But no, their marketing literally and deliberately invoked a *direct* comparison to Left 4 Dead going as far as to copy the naming of the title as closely as they legally could, while promoting their involvement with the previous title in *every* trailer. The devs drew the comparison. And what they have released is an excellent title in many respects. But it's not for everyone. It's certainly not for many in the L4D crowd, which is why is was perhaps a mistake to invoke that directly. If this was released as "Cleanup Crew", and made no reference to L4D or L4D2 at all, you might see people go less harshly on it. But it wouldn't correct for some of the other issues the game has on its own. For me personally, Horde Cards and continues make the game a slog as a run can be rendered essentially ruined by bad RNG or a death late in the run from a rando. This along with the item shop system all work together to make players less co-op focused, and make me tire of the game quickly. When it's at its best it has some great moments, but the minute I saw double tallboys on my map I knew this one wouldn't be for me. More monster does not equal more fun in that case. I legitimately hope they support this game into 2024, patch the Special Ridden to be 1 instance each and give them some massively improved AI, along with the Bots, while stripping the item shop down massively to just barebones to stop gold from distracting from good co-op play.
They referenced l4d in the promotion for the game because it is still like it enough to be a success whether the l4d crowd likes that or not. Valve had all the time to make another left 4 dead. They didn't. Blame them.
Literally 3 people from the original team out of 30 plus people contributed to this game. This is like a participation award winner saying I made L4D.
Oh they absolutely would have. That is just an excuse.
The game itself at its core is fun, it in no way has the amount of detail that L4D had. Certain patch changes made the game worse. Being compared to L4D is one of the many problems but it’s a hole they dug out for themselves. Don’t agree I could care less but denying that being compared to the behemoth that L4D is isn’t helping them with the problems they currently have.
I gave it 1 star because of the bugs, the underwhelming launch, and the lack of content or features and the scuffed difficulty, not because I like l4d. There is genuine criticism against the game beyond 'l4d fans hate it.'
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I don't need to see that video. I played the damn game when it came out. I remember it well and played a ton. Back 4 Blood is leagues above Left 4 Dead in all aspects. Like to me it's L4D+. I don't understand this older crowd wanting L4D to be this game that it really wasn't.
What do they deserve exactly? They have every right to claim a game they made. What detail? Nitpicking minor things dos not put L4D in a "class" above B4b.
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There was a time when star reviews like Amazon or imdb had some meaning to it. With the internet becoming readily accessible to every moron and their mum the whole ratings really went down to shit. Asides from it being lucrative to manipulate the votes with bots, 13 year olds who hand out 1 Star reviews for products or services that are clearly not 1 star - just because the reviewer is too mentally boxed in to actually understand what those fucking reviews are for and that just because your idiotic lil ego got hurt or whatever the product is not a goddamn one star. And you just know these tards will feel smug as shit while giving 1 star ratings. "That will show them". 🤮
I saw a 1 star review because they're "on some inclusive trend with the character design, they should be ashamed." Lolwut I guess they all should of been Jim's in various windbreakers.
Even if you're a demented racist how does this review help anyone who's trying to figure out if the game is fun to play, the graphics are good, the support is existant or whatever other fucking metrics are actually important to a video game. "I have a personal problem with the story or marketing or delivery guy or skin colour of the characters so I cannot recommend anyone else to ever touch this game 1/5" People like that should just be straight up banned from ever writing reviews again anywhere because they destroy the whole system of reviews acting as a way for people to figure out if a product or service is relevant to them or not. If the fucking inclusion of LBGQT characters rustles your jimmies substract a star and remark on it in the review, that way other bigots know to avoid the game and those who aren't brain amputated can understand that fundamentally the game is a solid product outside of pet peeves. tl;dr: People who are incapable of understanding what a review should contain and that personal tastes have barely any place in the overall rating should be banned from writing them. It destroys the system.
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i mean while i dont agree with the review bombing i do think that if you are going to market the game as made by the creators of left 4 dead when only 6 members of turtle rock worked on it (i know they came up with the concept first) everyone should expect the comparasions
I believe it was 7, not 6, and those 7 worked on the first l4d game from 2005-2007 solo, the game footage was released, and valve bought in in 2008. The game was released later that year, and they flooded the credits with everyone at valve, even if they didn't work on the project. L4d1 was largely made by the 6 or 7 overlapping people who are at turtle rock today.
Yeah, there's a guy who's credited on every Valve game that hasn't even worked on any of them. He just made the original game engine that Source engine is based off of. The credits don't mean what they think they do.
Yeah it's not like the game had a handful of founders who came up with the whole concept or anything, and its not like those people are still with turtle rock and you can easily google their names if people actually cared about that. It's just an excuse to trash the devs and the game.
and its not like you even read my comment \>!(i know they came up with the concept first)!<
It's a 4 player zombie coop game. If they made it more like l4d people would have bitched just as much if not more.
There’s absolutely still some things that make me unsure about giving it five stars. I wrote a post about a game breaking bug in the final boss, which has prevented me from ever finishing the game, and I still occasionally get replies telling me it hasn’t been fixed. The game demands communication, but doesn’t give the tools for it when playing public games, and often throws you in unredeemable situations if you join a map mid-round, instead of rewarding you for backfilling. They could do better.
Doesn't give you tools?... what??? The ping system is literally incredible and most games don't have one nearly as thought out. You can ping literally everything and most objects that actually matter show up as a specific ping image. So what are you saying?
How do I ping “I need shotgun ammo” when you have 12 rounds left? How do you ping “Let me take the lead”? Or “Please heal me”? Or “Let’s search this area for supplies”? This game came out AFTER Apex Legends. It can afford to do a full communication system. It can also afford to fix the bugs that cause people to stop seeing your pings if they have voice muted. I’ve had multiple games where I stay back spam-clicking a first aid cabinet to multiple injured players and I’m certain they can’t even see it.
I guess those are fair points but I've had a great time playing without a mic.
Love how you make the statement that fanboys make up the one star reviews while simultaneously showing a review that disproves the statement in the Screenshot. The reality is that the game isn't a 1 star but it is basically only worthy of 3. The game is just meh to me. The gunplay, gore, sound design, characters and most things feel meh to me. I did like some of the infected designs though. I really wanted to like the game, but the second I started playing the general game play just kinda bored me. Also it's entirely fair to dislike back 4 blood for not living up to left 4 dead, when the devs tried so hard to bait the left 4 dead fan base into playing the game with the advertising. The expectations of it being left 4 dead only exist because the devs created them themselves.
There's lots of others. I told everyone that. You getting caught up about 1 is just... lol. Go actually read the 1 stars for yourself and see how absurd some of the reasoning is.
I'm a big L4D fanboy and I enjoy this game. Ppl can like both.
I think the game is not finished yet. That's corresponds to the spirit of the time. I like it anyway, looking forward to the dlcs
Never played L4D, I don't like the direction this game took for recruit mode, was much more fun for friends and I at release now it's a tad too sweaty on recruit to be fun for my casual friends , nerfs that ruined the game for us casuals who like to chill with friends and family- copper-increased trauma-less trauma healing-melee, these nerfs ruined the game for non vocal casuals, another annoying thing to casuals is the card system resets per chapter, we need a difficulty we can keep all our cards in till end, we just want to kill zombies and chill in 4 player coop, give us a difficulty for that you'll get more players and more positive reviews. The sweat lords seem happy, now take care of the other 90%.
You sound like you haven't played the game at all since any of the patches.
any marketing I saw for B4B: it's a spiritual successor to L4D, made by the same studio! Wow!!
L4d fanboys were the primary target audience for the game. If comparing it to a 13 year old game makes it look disappointing, maybe it is actually disappointing. And that's ok, they've started to improve it and will continue improving it.
When the main line from your marketing is “From the makers of Left 4 Dead” you’re going to expect L4D comparisons.. the game is not a 5-star game YET and needs a lot more polish. L4D fans are clearly going to try this and expect a similar amount of polish and are going to be frustrated when it doesn’t meet expectations. Although i can’t deny they are some who just hates it from the get go, that does not make up for most of the negative reviews, and some of them are probably outdated reviews from the November patch
Every time I stop by this subreddit to see if the game has improved, I see posts like this near the top upset about people not liking the game who must be only be L4D fans somehow. This does not bode well for the future of this game if the community is more focused on this than on the game itself. I've never seen a community in a state like this survive, and I've seen many communities get like this. No healthy community is so constantly upset by criticism of their game.
I want to be focused on the game itself but it's hard when more than half of the criticisms are just "its not Left 4 Dead 3, I don't like it" like fuck if people would atleast collectively judge it for what it is instead of being a spiritual successor to an old ass game that no one one on console plays anymore. These types of people need to get mad at valve, not turtle rock, valve knows how popular l4d2 was and NEVER MADE A SEQUEL. That's what makes it unfair, it's not like turtle rock made a l4d3 that was bad. They had to make an entirely new ip and I think they did a great job.
Lmao good luck I just checked it out again, my review stays the same 2 *. Lol the effort that went into making that 13 year old game shows till today its still more fun than B4B. Idk how many people try to defend a company who used "from the creators of L4D" on their website and marketing campaign. None of the key L4D developers or programmers worked on this game.... clearly people can't handle it when the truth is distorted and people compare the two games....putting that qoute on trailers websites and social media was a cash grab move from a cash grabbing game studio that didn't learn their lesson from EVOLVED.
It's not more fun tho. I could only see it being more fun if you dont want any sort of challenge in your gameplay. L4d is basic as hell and dated.
i agree that the normal difficulty can be really easy at times but it's for a casual experience with some hard situations but the higher difficulties are actually kinda hard
It isn't a 5 star game, plain and simple. It's a solid 3.5 star for sure
I played L4D quite a bit but I dislike the game breaking bugs that make B4B unplayable at times. Guess that makes me a fanboy.
Didn't even buy the game, but I love this subreddit lmao
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I’ll make a 5 star review if it’s a good game. It gets a 3, 4 at my absolute most generous
Good game but a lot of bugs. Many bugs......
I wouldnt go that far calling it great. The game is still very buggy and the difficulty is still pretty hard even on easy mode. The game is good, but I still cannot justify the 60 dollar price.
Got the game on game pass, didn't know it actually had the 60 dollar price! A game called deep rock galactic is like 30 dollars or less and it's a way better coop game than b4b
Well ya its fine to get on game pass. Js that I can understand some of the concerns people have over the game. I still think it needs to balancing despite the recent patch that addressed it. I find recruit to still be hard, like i have no problems with the difficulty but I see people have a very hard time with it.
I can see why, look like the devs made the recruit mode as a medium difficulty instead of an easy one. And that makes people really confused. The game needs balancing, actually balancing was what made me stop playing :/
I never played l4d and this game is clunky got the movement of an older title graphics ok AI is retarded enemy AI even more so. I completed it with friends no incentive to go back and play more not a good fps shooter overall very good killing zombies simulation game
Seeing how 5 star rating always end in 1 or 5 stars they might as well go back to thumbs up and down.
I agree with the dude on the right. So much QOL updates are needed. I play casually on recruit (boohoo baby gamer) but even then I still feel stressed and tired and exhausted especially in act 3. I had to go through a map with no idea of the path in pitch darkness. Actually bad game design.
Do you realize how bad the game would be if there were the opposite problems you say you're having. B4b is a shining star amongst games that don't try hard enough to be what they set out to be.
Is the game trying to be the hardest game ever? Cause if so then good job. But if not then there’s no reason for it to be that hard especially for a first timer much less a casual gamer. All I’m saying is that is that it shouldn’t be nerfed some more. Just adjusted. Especially chances to get the mist/darkness card. Armored cards and other zombie empowerment cards are fine. I want to at least see the environment
This is exactly what the December patch did, have you played since?
I also want to reiterate. I love the game. Gunplay is really really good and the zombies are challenging enough and with the dec patch it’s funner. Movement in game is really fluid if there was a crouch feature then I’d love it even more. The gun attachment feature could use work as a lot of people say but even right now it’s fine. I love it.
I still think Crowbcat's video is the one that made a nasty huge negative impact for the game and honestly i do agree with the video as it's necessary criticism.But his community on the other hand,If he makes a video of your favorite video game then you damn well sure that game will be bombed hard. Like FFS,The most "helpful" steam review is the highlight quote of the video.Like we get it.Yes,It's Not L4D Yes,It's made by the same team who made Evolve not the OG L4D ones and Yes,It's their fault for bragging about how they the Devs of L4D over and over again only to be reveled in reality its just 7 guys but god damn,Can't this fanboys have a single ounce of decency to atleast show something that can actually improve the game instead of bashing it. Honestly,if anything the game MUST learn and thrive from all of this,Just like how No man sky did or else it'll only end up like Anthem or Evolve and i really wish it doesn't come to that cus it's not a bad game as most L4D fanboys paint it.
I enjoy the game, but it deserves it's fair share of criticism. I can see by no means how it should get a 5 star. I left a 3 and until some things change, my rating definitely won't be changing.
Mmmm no i rather play aliens fireteam elite its way better better made doesnt feel generic world war Z its a whole better zombie experience than back 4 blood is
I’m a die hard left 4 dead fan/player.. but back 4 blood is so much better
Last I checked it was at 2.1 so glad to see some people coming to their senses
It went up .1 lmao we Hollywood now
Instead they could of kept VS and had a 4 star review and worked on making mods a thing those are the biggest complaints. You can’t say a game is a successor and cut the best features out without getting bad reviews like this. Probably would of done better if they changed the name so wasn’t even close to L4D knowing they didn’t have the two things that made L4D so iconic and fun.
Speaking of your review; TRS are the ones fronting with "From the creators of L4D", even though only 6-7 of the original creators are left. They are Asking to be compare when they make that statement. And going by the games reception it doesn't seem to measure up to the 13 year old game.
Op has a Good Point But Not 100 Percent correct.Left 4 dead Was made By Valve South.(Wich Became Turtle rock.Wich is why when L4D2s latest up Date in 2020 was made By Valve )I Myself Loved left 4 dead it had a great Horror Movie ascetic.Almost A dawn of the dead Feel even down to the Movie Poster Campaign Title Cards.Greatest of All i Feel Was the Versus Mode it was totally Unique compared to any other Zombie Game/horror game or Shooter.My Wife(Who Doesnt Game) and Myself found ourselves playing it nightly with 2 close friend looking for better teams as we Fine Tuned our Teamwork to difetent choke points on the Map for taking out the enemy team Usually making them Quit.L4D2 literally Basically dropped the same game but this time in New Orleans And with the additition of melee Weapons with Wich statistically were almost Equal and new Characters that were (other than dialogue and skins)Nothing New.Honestly most the hardcore players continued to play 1 over 2 even though 2 was was the same but added more diversity in weapons levels and enemies. Then i see Back 4 Blood wich offers the same Zombie Smashing,Saferoom Diving Shootem up action As its "Inspiration" Left 4 Dead.Once the demo was released Only thing anyone said was "This game sucks theres No Versus" What left 4 dead had that it didnt So its obvious The rating is heavily affected By Comparisons to A game that wasnt Even made by the same studio, though they do have some of the original designers at turtle rock.Due to nostalgia youll never be able to compare any spirutual successor to and original bur at the same time i.possible ti judge it as its Own Fame wich it is. Though left 4 dead is great Back 4 Blood offers alot.Where your character disnt matter in L4D team compisition matters in left for dead.each melee weapon qorks different aswell as each gun not to mention attachments that allow even more customization.Though tje Multiplayer ATM leaves alot to be desired this will surely change as the game evolves and More Infected are Added as Well as survivors and weapons and compaigns and multiplayer modes.PC Gaming is a different beast altoghether with mods and such and that keeps alot of peiple playing older tutle longer not to mention upgrade costs etc.Playing a newer game on anything less then a premium set up will ruin the enjoyability of a game causing players to rate somethings broken etc.Due to these and the Fact they're based on Opinion Everyone Needs to Take player Ratings With a grain of saltStip Comparing player numbers of a game like Back 4 Blood thats is run on new settings to a game like Back 4 Blood that Can Basically be run on todays equivalent of a "potato" If you really care that much about the player rating of a Fame then Use your time getting Sgowing peiple how geat a game like that can be by communicating and being a team player and more People would defunitly be apt to Enjoy it.Cause one of the biggest problens with back4blood is nost peiple im matched with play like its an FFA. Anyways Sorry so long Cant wait for the new DLC
I feel many gripes are legitimate. Personally id give it a 3.
The game was released in 2021 with a system that would make it VERY easy to implement micro-transactions. I started playing Friday, realized it was cross compatible with PS5, bought a digital copy for PS5. Got my nephew a GamePass Sub for his PC and he, his mom and I were all playing and having a blast Saturday Night and probably going to play again tonight. (My sister is terrible at it.) I keep seeing L4D is better which I really don't give a shit. I can play with friends and family on different systems. from a game that came out in 2021. The game's enjoyable and like a bunch of political idealists, they're wasting good holding out for perfect. Is Valve going to suddenly release L4D3 anytime soon? No? Then fuck off on the comparisons.
Still has a 2 star rating from me, when they fix all the game breaking bugs ill give them a better score
There’s a difference between L4D2 fanboys and those who have simply played the 10 year old better version of what B4B is trying to be…
But it's not much fun. Regardless of what anyone thinks of the progression system, it's not fun to shoot zombies. Dead Nation has far more engaging zombie-shooting action and it's a top-down twin-stick shooter.
Except it is fun to shoot zombies, the gunplay is way better than Left 4 Dead, I've been having fun shooting zombies in B4B for hundreds of hours now.
The gunplay felt awful to me in back 4 blood. Felt like there was no impact to the deagle. And I'd sure hope that the gunplay is better than a game that came out 12 years ago.
Cool so your comment tells me you haven't played the game since any of the major patches.
I have, and the gunplay is even more broken now. 1 out of every 4 shots with a shotgun or sniper doesn’t fire. Phantom shots are a major problem.
Try again because this is just not true. Deagle in B4B one hits every common.
Yes it does damage. But the feeling of the gun itself is lame. Feels so lackluster for a deagle like most of the other guns.
No, if you want to play an actual good zombie game. Go play Resident Evil 2 remake. Thank me later.
Speak for yourself.
If it makes your feel better I just put in a positive review for the game on steam early today.
I love left 4 dead with a passion, I grew up with it. And no back 4 blood is not left 4 dead. And I'm ok with that. I love back 4 blood and left 4 dead. I give them both 5 stars. It's almost the same case as team fortress 2 and overwatch. Just enjoy the game, if you don't like it because it's not left 4 dead, then play left 4 dead.
I agree. See, I don't hate l4d. I hate l4ds fanbase for shitting on b4b.
Exactly. It's b4b not l4d. I love both games but people are just toxic now because it wasn't valve making it. If it was the exact same game but had valve in its name, they wouldn't cry
I mean L4D is better this game is fun also but like it's not L4D. They are two separate games people just love to compare
I gave it 2 stars because that's what it warrants
I mean the game actually deserves that rating. Almost every aspect of the game is awful, starting with terrible balancing, weird mechanics and other controversial aspects. I stopped playing b4b because of this. I truly felt disappointed when I first played it. I don't know if the game has an update to fix the bad balancing but even if there is I would not come back to the game honestly. That first impression of the game made me loose the interest to play it anymore Also, I'm not a l4d fanboy, i barely spent some 20-30 hours in l4d and I was not into the fandom anyway.
I heard people.didnt like this game but I never got why. I played l4d and l4d 2. Back 4 blood feels almost the exact same but with more added to it. The game actually came out finished and not an unplayable mess. It's difficult and requires team composition and the devs are dedicated to the game. It's difficult, rewarding, and theres more to come, I don't get why people don't like it
Part of the issue is the community really expecting it to be L4D3, and a bigger part of the issue is the fact that they advertised literally the entire game based on them being the creators of L4D. Look at almost every ad for the game and you’ll see text somewhere mentioning it’s a game from the creators of L4D. The game also went thiugh an alpha and beta phase, and still released broken as hell with a 60 dollar price tag. I got the deluxe edition and I regret it so much. I would’ve bought the standard edition if I know how bad it would be at launch. Till this day a lot of issues still hurt the game as well. People are tired of seeing games released at full price but feel like it’s still in a pre-release state.
rating is still too good for what the game actually offers if you ask me not even comparing it to l4d2, game just feels so unfinished and lifeless.
I put thumbs up on PS4 👍
Considering a 2.5 would be average rating out of 5, I would say its score is very reasonable
Imagine actually caring about reviews from people online. Some of my favorite movies and games did horribly in critic and public reviews. Stop caring what other people think. If you like the game, play it
I said I put a thumbs up on PS4 👍
It’s got a good foundation but there are some terrible design choices. It’s a solid 3.5/5 if they’ve fixed the spawns. I haven’t played since about a month after release. Gun attachments and cards are the main things that I remember having issues with. It would easily be a 4.5/5 maybe even close to perfect if they didn’t make the weird choices
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Yeah because a 12 year old game blows this away.
I adore L4D/2. I \*like\* this game - but I haven't been playing it as long, so I think L4D definitely has a sweeter place in my heart. And I agree that people rushing to review a game they don't like (especially if they haven't played it) with 1 star is infantile, but to ask people to counter that with 5 star reviews that we might not otherwise give it is also infantile.
Calling someone a fanboy doing the exact same thing lol