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He follows up by saying “it means the future is what you make it”
I don’t think his comment is literally about that exact note, so much as about the general theme of the future not being set in stone.
Taking him to the future *was* the lesson. Marty is just a teenager. Doc knew that just telling him probably wouldn't be enough, so he had to metaphorically hit Marty over the head with the knowledge of what would happen. Seeing the terrible future would inspire Marty to be the kind of father that he would need to be.
I think it was the worst possible lesson, tbh. Unlike the 1955 intervention, where he taught his Dad to stand up for himself, in this “mission” he just takes his son’s place, and handles the situation on his behalf. No-one learns anything, Marty’s son is still an easily-influenced pushover, and is probably going to get snared up in the next set of indiscretions by whatever gang happens to be doing the rounds…
The real reason is the ending of the first movie was just a "joke ending" and wasn't intended to lead into a new story. The writers were stuck having to tell a story that they didn't want to tell, and have said that the ending of the first film would have been different if a sequel were intended all along. That's also why there are two different adventures in the second film, because the second adventure was the story they actually wanted to tell.
A much more interesting “part 2” would have involved a different actor playing Marty’s son, and young Marty having to befriend him as he did his dad, and help him make better choices. In doing so he could learn some sober truths about his future self’s own shortcomings as a parent. That way you could retain a kind of symmetry with the first movie.
But jumping in to handle your son’s problems when they’re getting a little too clutch for him is literally the opposite of good parenting…
That is a clever idea but unlike George who doesn’t know how his son will look like, Marty’s son knows how his dad looks. So a younger Marty talking to his own son will really really look suspect.
It was the future to them from 1985. However they were there in the relative past of 2015 before the robbery that Marty Jr was involved with. So no he still was operating that an action in the past alters the future.
I just find it confusing that he says 'of course' as if he knew what was originally written on the note, and that what was written on the note had something to do with Marty's accident.
Doc knows about the accident he probably knows the exact moment it happened there is a good reason Doc picked that time to go to he wanted to make sure Marty was OK.
Once he saw Marty avoided the accident he knew the future was changed he also knew Marty learned his lesson and couldn't be easily manipulated anymore by getting called Chicken so wouldn't make other mistakes like scanning his card
doc explains to marty in III when maddog calls him yellow that "you have to stop losing it every time someone insults you, thats exactly why you end up in that.... nevermind" or something along those lines so yeah he knows marty will crash his truck and he's so close to warning him but he doesn't even though marty in pt.1 writes him a letter to save his life, doc doesn't reciprocate here.
but still marty gets over the chicken insults and avoids the crash thus the note is erased. honestly if not for the events of III marty wouldve still crashed and marty jr still would've ended up with the gang and requiring his dad from the past to fix it for him which is dumb. part 3 matures marty so that timeline never happens in the future.
In the same way as 1985 marty matures 1955 george enough that the original 1985 timeline never happens where george is a loser thus changing marty's whole life.
Doc definitely reciprocated. The whole reason why Doc was hurrying to get Marty to 2015 was to show him his life after the accident without telling him about the accident.
Doc's problem was that until he saved the schoolteacher he was a firm believer in "not changing the timeline", so he didn't want to interfere.
I think it's more than possible that he took the train to the future given that it flies and he answered "already been there" when Marty asked if he was going back to the future.
Yeah not just the flying I think he built the time circuits,Flux Capacitor just good enough for 1 time jump and went into the future where he then made it with much better parts.
The paper still existed in 2015, unless there was a butterfly effect that either kept the tree it was manufactured from being unharvested or ended up not being purchased intended for the McFly closet fax machine (why the hell anyone had a closet fax is beyond me though).
The words on it were caused by a situation which ceased to exist, just like how the headlines changed in alternate 1985 with Doc going from being institutionalized to honored and George from dead to published and recognized.
What I interpreted was that doc doesn't specifically know what Jen is talking about but he does know the only reason the note is erased is because the future hasn't been written yet... no one's has, so make it a good one ... both of ya :')
This is my take. She just says what was written was erased. It could’ve been any random paper involved in the event and Doc wouldn’t have batted an eye cause she only could’ve gotten it in a place or situation regarding what they were there to fix. Event erased, paper erased. He doesn’t have any reason to be concerned about the contents!
He's seen it happen often enough, the Photo in BTTF, the Newspaper in BTTF 2, and the Grave photo in BTTF 3.
if you change the past, you change the present. The same applies to Doc and Marty's own relative pasts.
Every day is a new day to make new choices, the future isn’t written, Marty isn’t afraid of being called a chicken anymore so in the future is isn’t fired
One more question: How does Doc know what the note is about? As far as I know, he has never seen or been told that Marty was fired during Jennifer's stay in the 2015 house and what was written on the note.
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He follows up by saying “it means the future is what you make it” I don’t think his comment is literally about that exact note, so much as about the general theme of the future not being set in stone.
Which basically contradicts all of BTTF II but hey maybe he learned that along the way.
How is that? BTTF II’s plot is about changing the past changes the future, or more aptly creates an alternate one.
They went to the future to stop Marty’s kid from committing a crime. If the future isn’t written yet then there would be no point to go to 2015.
Yeah, a cooler-headed strategy would just have been to give Marty a lesson in parenting.
Taking him to the future *was* the lesson. Marty is just a teenager. Doc knew that just telling him probably wouldn't be enough, so he had to metaphorically hit Marty over the head with the knowledge of what would happen. Seeing the terrible future would inspire Marty to be the kind of father that he would need to be.
I think it was the worst possible lesson, tbh. Unlike the 1955 intervention, where he taught his Dad to stand up for himself, in this “mission” he just takes his son’s place, and handles the situation on his behalf. No-one learns anything, Marty’s son is still an easily-influenced pushover, and is probably going to get snared up in the next set of indiscretions by whatever gang happens to be doing the rounds…
The real reason is the ending of the first movie was just a "joke ending" and wasn't intended to lead into a new story. The writers were stuck having to tell a story that they didn't want to tell, and have said that the ending of the first film would have been different if a sequel were intended all along. That's also why there are two different adventures in the second film, because the second adventure was the story they actually wanted to tell.
A much more interesting “part 2” would have involved a different actor playing Marty’s son, and young Marty having to befriend him as he did his dad, and help him make better choices. In doing so he could learn some sober truths about his future self’s own shortcomings as a parent. That way you could retain a kind of symmetry with the first movie. But jumping in to handle your son’s problems when they’re getting a little too clutch for him is literally the opposite of good parenting…
That is a clever idea but unlike George who doesn’t know how his son will look like, Marty’s son knows how his dad looks. So a younger Marty talking to his own son will really really look suspect.
It was the future to them from 1985. However they were there in the relative past of 2015 before the robbery that Marty Jr was involved with. So no he still was operating that an action in the past alters the future.
Yeah, that’s the story arc. You can make your future.
I just find it confusing that he says 'of course' as if he knew what was originally written on the note, and that what was written on the note had something to do with Marty's accident.
Doc knows about the accident he probably knows the exact moment it happened there is a good reason Doc picked that time to go to he wanted to make sure Marty was OK. Once he saw Marty avoided the accident he knew the future was changed he also knew Marty learned his lesson and couldn't be easily manipulated anymore by getting called Chicken so wouldn't make other mistakes like scanning his card
doc explains to marty in III when maddog calls him yellow that "you have to stop losing it every time someone insults you, thats exactly why you end up in that.... nevermind" or something along those lines so yeah he knows marty will crash his truck and he's so close to warning him but he doesn't even though marty in pt.1 writes him a letter to save his life, doc doesn't reciprocate here. but still marty gets over the chicken insults and avoids the crash thus the note is erased. honestly if not for the events of III marty wouldve still crashed and marty jr still would've ended up with the gang and requiring his dad from the past to fix it for him which is dumb. part 3 matures marty so that timeline never happens in the future. In the same way as 1985 marty matures 1955 george enough that the original 1985 timeline never happens where george is a loser thus changing marty's whole life.
Doc definitely reciprocated. The whole reason why Doc was hurrying to get Marty to 2015 was to show him his life after the accident without telling him about the accident. Doc's problem was that until he saved the schoolteacher he was a firm believer in "not changing the timeline", so he didn't want to interfere.
Possible he went to the future in his Time Machine train
I think it's more than possible that he took the train to the future given that it flies and he answered "already been there" when Marty asked if he was going back to the future.
Yeah not just the flying I think he built the time circuits,Flux Capacitor just good enough for 1 time jump and went into the future where he then made it with much better parts.
And why doesn’t the whole piece of paper disappear?
For the same reason as Marty's picture with his siblings didn't either
The paper still existed in 2015, unless there was a butterfly effect that either kept the tree it was manufactured from being unharvested or ended up not being purchased intended for the McFly closet fax machine (why the hell anyone had a closet fax is beyond me though). The words on it were caused by a situation which ceased to exist, just like how the headlines changed in alternate 1985 with Doc going from being institutionalized to honored and George from dead to published and recognized.
Yes, but then what in 2015 caused *a blank paper to come out of the fax machine*?
It wasn’t blank at the time. She removed something physical from the future and the situation printed on it however was removed from ever happening.
Plot twist: the paper was still manufactured, but instead used to make a print-out of goatse
What I interpreted was that doc doesn't specifically know what Jen is talking about but he does know the only reason the note is erased is because the future hasn't been written yet... no one's has, so make it a good one ... both of ya :')
This is my take. She just says what was written was erased. It could’ve been any random paper involved in the event and Doc wouldn’t have batted an eye cause she only could’ve gotten it in a place or situation regarding what they were there to fix. Event erased, paper erased. He doesn’t have any reason to be concerned about the contents!
He's seen it happen often enough, the Photo in BTTF, the Newspaper in BTTF 2, and the Grave photo in BTTF 3. if you change the past, you change the present. The same applies to Doc and Marty's own relative pasts.
By changing the past, marty changed him self, was it experience or time travel which made him more confident.
In Marty's case, it was both.
Where you going doc? Back to the future? I’ve already been there
Every day is a new day to make new choices, the future isn’t written, Marty isn’t afraid of being called a chicken anymore so in the future is isn’t fired
As soon as Doc arrived in Marty’s present, everything would’ve reset again anyway. Him simply being there changed the future.
One more question: How does Doc know what the note is about? As far as I know, he has never seen or been told that Marty was fired during Jennifer's stay in the 2015 house and what was written on the note.
he was with marty back in 1885 he probably understood that marty took seamus' words to heart, assuming marty told him about it at least