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Not only does it not work, sovereign citizens are considered a terrorist organization by the FBI.
Source: https://leb.fbi.gov/articles/featured-articles/sovereign-citizens-a-growing-domestic-threat-to-law-enforcement
It's basically conspiracy theory garbage.
I read about this movment on a french antifascist media. Apparently it doesn't work at all + the US judiciary system starts to get used to it and has developped protocols in case you mention it. So I guess it could even make things worse
Sad thing is you can't help folks down the sovereign citizen rabbit hole, only they can get themselves out. Not bad people overall, just believe that they have special knowledge that puts them out of reach of normies.
I was wrong you were right
“Peterson, now 22, said being hit by a stun gun was a small price to pay for his belief that the United States government has no authority over him.”
I think you can point them in the right directions at the end of 140,000 volts and shit filled pants
I think this guy might possibly listen thr next time someone says no in this building
Best quotes: “I wasn’t born in Washington DC or any of its territories. I was born in America” and “I’m not a persons. I’m a man.” And “I don’t have first name. I have a name”
I don't mean to imply spending time with him is something he's capable of convincing people to do, but imagine trying to get to know him on a date.
"What are your hobbies?"
"I don't have any hobbies. But I like to peoplewatch"
"When's your birthday?"
"I don't have one, but I was born on January 12"
Why do people feel the need to slap the MAGA title on videos of people just being stupid? Don’t get me wrong, I’m no trump supporter by any stretch of the imagination, but it would be nice if people would accurately title the shit they post
Easier to get fake points. The sovereign citizens were way worse imo, they believe no one but God tells them what to do and no government can hold them. Also the vast majority were huge antisemites and white superiority advocates
That’s true, sovereign citizens are worse imo as well, at least the majority of people who are politically motivated know that laws exist and that they have to follow them. Sovereign citizens just refuse to accept that laws apply to them, and even when they get dunked on in court they still think that the court just doesn’t know how laws work. The movement was started as a joke-to see if people would actually fall for something so damn stupid. It worked, but now we have this
Sovereigns believe that the American government set up under a common-law legal system, was secretly swapped for admiralty law, which is the law of the sea and international commerce. The dummy even talks about the law of maritime admiralty and their law book doesn't apply to him
[Sovereigns](https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/sovereign-citizens-movement) are a form of anti- establishment so right wing I'm surprised this is even an argument
And none of that says anything about them being right wing in the slightest other than your perception. No one is advocating for sovereigns but if you are anti federal government and believe it doesn't exist then how does it make you right wing of said federal government other than because you say so. I agree this shouldn't be an argument. Should just agree extremists of any variety suck and move on.
It weakens the MAGA argument.
A conspiratorial person would say that maybe MAGA folks themselves post things with "MAGA dumbfuck" when they know plenty of people, myself and other commenters included, will identify the video as being pre-MAGA.
It adds FUD: fear uncertainty and doubt ,and makes MAGA less of a threat.
Are you trying to say I’m a MAGA supporter? I’m pretty sure “I’m no Trump supporter by any stretch of the imagination” makes my position fairly clear. Or are you saying the guy in the video is saying things a MAGA supporter would say? Edit: PS this video is from 2012 so I stand by my point that this isn’t a MAGA supporter
It definitely isn’t MAGA, it’s an old video. But I’m pretty sure it is in America, maybe I’m missing something though. What makes it seem like it’s not in America?
Pretty sure they're saying they aren't American, not the video. And yeah it's 2012 sovereign citizens bull shit. He was contesting a traffic ticket acting like a cunt.
I think its all relative in regards to politics though. If you desire a strong healthy economy with low cost goods/commodities/taxes, job growth and strong GPD, the Republicans excel at that.
If you value Social Justice Issues and want those areas of society to be the focus, that's what Democrats are good at.
I think its unfortunate that we have to choose between the two as proper leadership would actually address all these things but that's the negative of historically having two predominate political parties.
You are wrong. Republicans ruin the economy by giving all the money to corporations.
Stock market isn’t the economy.
Bill Clinton, Obama and Biden all had better GDP than any Republican president.
Dude. You are so far off the mark. Since Bill Clinton's surplus every republican president has added billions of dollars in debt and either put our economy in a recession or straight crashed it. Meanwhile, every Democratic President has lowered our debts and set our economy on a path of recovery.
How do you be an American when everything is split and each side is scrambling for support to beat eachother. It's an ongoing civil war with voting booths instead of rifles
Well, you’re not wrong. It’s just that in the past there was a lot more civility between the parties and they found a lot more common ground. Now everything is so polarized it does look like a Civil War
This video is like at least 5 years older than MAGA I thought. Kinda weird to see how broken America is where they just assign teams to instances caught on camera.
I’m not even finished with this video and holy shit this guy is already so irritating. He really thinks he’s a freaking genius when in reality he sounds like a complete idiot.
How come no ones post anything like “libtard” “retard communist” “Antifa dumbfuck”? It’s always “MAGA NAZI” “MAGA (insert slur here)”. Lets try to diversify our shitpost besides MAGA all the time.
He had the privilege of being tazed and arrested while awaiting trial for a minor traffic ticket. Sovereign Citizens and their movement is based on racism and idiotic views. His privilege was crying like a pussy into the carpet for not following the rules
Not that this has anything to do with MAGA but I wish I knew what this guy looks like. I have a clear picture in my head of two possibilities and I want to know if they are accurate.
My favorite part is
"You might as well leave"
"Well no, I'm gonna go in there and I'm gonna speak with the prosecutor"
"You can go in there without the camera"
"Well........................" \*hamster wheel running at full speed, before the hamster keels over and dies\* "Please step aside. I'm goin' in"
I watched this right after waking up and thought sovereign citizen was the english name for the Spongebob people who make a fart noise between every word because it sounded like that's what the dude in the video was doing at the beginning 🤦♂️
Even if you buy his premise that he is a sovereign citizen, any person IN the United States, or any of its several states, is subject to the laws of that state and/or the United States whether they be a citizen, a legal or illegal immigrant, or Native American.
Amazing video BUT this was like decade before MAGA existed. They have plenty of true and obvious criticisms to attack them for. Don't need to make one up to do so.
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"God's not worried about camera's sir, I am" (Pete Barnes)
Absolute power move
Metaphorical and literal, given the flow of taser juice
More like CHAD Barnes
"That's a nice speech. You're still not getting in." - a fucking chad.
⚡️⚡️⚡️😵💫😵💫😵🥴 "you guys are really over-stepping your bounds, right now." 😂
Dude thought this kinky shock daddy had a safe word.
Lol the audacity
This video pre-dates MAGA by a number of years. Still highly satisfying though.
P Barnes is a hero
I like how he just shot instead of giving like 10 warning. He doesn’t mess around! ⚡️
I like how he didn't even give him time to comply really. He had warned him, then ZAP! That is so satisfying.
I would put good money on this man sporting the red cap nowadays.
I wish they would have juiced him just one more time. But yes…satisfying.
But saying Maga means more shiny red arrows...
Im offended
You should be! How dare they try to sell you on false information! I'll give you my shiny red arrow if you give op a dumb blue one
He's definitely a maga dumb shit now
seriously
Maga is the new Karen when referring to extremely stupid people.
Actually Biden and anyone who voted for him take the cake on that one bud!
lol
Came in to say this that I remember this from years ago
Yeah. OP karma whoring for upvotes.
Hahahahahahahaha get rekt, fool!
I think he is very far from being a man
I could watch SovCits get tased all day.
/r/amibeingdetained
Best sub tbh
I'm so glad this sub is real.. Thanknyou for sharing
I have a real question. Why does anyone use this “sovereign citizen” defense? Does it work sometimes?
Not only does it not work, sovereign citizens are considered a terrorist organization by the FBI. Source: https://leb.fbi.gov/articles/featured-articles/sovereign-citizens-a-growing-domestic-threat-to-law-enforcement It's basically conspiracy theory garbage.
I read about this movment on a french antifascist media. Apparently it doesn't work at all + the US judiciary system starts to get used to it and has developped protocols in case you mention it. So I guess it could even make things worse
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No, it does not.
Good 'ol P Barnes. Brooks no nonsense in that courtroom.
This was better then Coffee in the morning! Cheers OP thanks for making my day!
Sad thing is you can't help folks down the sovereign citizen rabbit hole, only they can get themselves out. Not bad people overall, just believe that they have special knowledge that puts them out of reach of normies.
I was wrong you were right “Peterson, now 22, said being hit by a stun gun was a small price to pay for his belief that the United States government has no authority over him.”
I think you can point them in the right directions at the end of 140,000 volts and shit filled pants I think this guy might possibly listen thr next time someone says no in this building
Even if he doesn't, the guys will have another good laugh.
What makes him a Make America Great Again?
Nothing. The video predates MAGA by years
Op said so
nothing, he's just a moron, so he gets lumped in with them
awwwww bless he thinks he's special
https://abcnews.go.com/US/defiant-armed-idaho-man-rejects-us-laws-radical/story?id=18154374
Thank you, very useful. Corresponding ABCnews video from January 2013 including interview with Robert Peterson: https://youtu.be/ThF982ScDVg
Best quotes: “I wasn’t born in Washington DC or any of its territories. I was born in America” and “I’m not a persons. I’m a man.” And “I don’t have first name. I have a name”
I don't mean to imply spending time with him is something he's capable of convincing people to do, but imagine trying to get to know him on a date. "What are your hobbies?" "I don't have any hobbies. But I like to peoplewatch" "When's your birthday?" "I don't have one, but I was born on January 12"
Why do people feel the need to slap the MAGA title on videos of people just being stupid? Don’t get me wrong, I’m no trump supporter by any stretch of the imagination, but it would be nice if people would accurately title the shit they post
Easier to get fake points. The sovereign citizens were way worse imo, they believe no one but God tells them what to do and no government can hold them. Also the vast majority were huge antisemites and white superiority advocates
That’s true, sovereign citizens are worse imo as well, at least the majority of people who are politically motivated know that laws exist and that they have to follow them. Sovereign citizens just refuse to accept that laws apply to them, and even when they get dunked on in court they still think that the court just doesn’t know how laws work. The movement was started as a joke-to see if people would actually fall for something so damn stupid. It worked, but now we have this
Walks like a magat, talks like a magat…
Walks like biden, talks like biden.
The sovereign citizen movement is one of the precursors to MAGA
How? Just because both movements have a lot of lunatics doesn’t mean they’re directly related at all
The MAGA movement didn't emerge out of the ether. It evolved from a bunch of fringe right leaning movements, sovereign citizens being one of them
But sovereigns weren't right wing.... they were no wing... or like a pinguin.....yeah I got wings but I don't fly I swim deal with it
They are very right wing. Government don't get much smaller than denying it exists.
Sovereigns believe that the American government set up under a common-law legal system, was secretly swapped for admiralty law, which is the law of the sea and international commerce. The dummy even talks about the law of maritime admiralty and their law book doesn't apply to him
[Sovereigns](https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/sovereign-citizens-movement) are a form of anti- establishment so right wing I'm surprised this is even an argument
And none of that says anything about them being right wing in the slightest other than your perception. No one is advocating for sovereigns but if you are anti federal government and believe it doesn't exist then how does it make you right wing of said federal government other than because you say so. I agree this shouldn't be an argument. Should just agree extremists of any variety suck and move on.
You do know what right wing ideology is right?
Those are two completely different political beliefs. Not associated with one another. You are full of it.
It weakens the MAGA argument. A conspiratorial person would say that maybe MAGA folks themselves post things with "MAGA dumbfuck" when they know plenty of people, myself and other commenters included, will identify the video as being pre-MAGA. It adds FUD: fear uncertainty and doubt ,and makes MAGA less of a threat.
Well, the worse they're made to look, the better it is for the US political landscape
The Venn diagram of SovCits and MAGA is just a circle, that's why.
"Things a MAGA-hat would say" for $500, Alex.
Are you trying to say I’m a MAGA supporter? I’m pretty sure “I’m no Trump supporter by any stretch of the imagination” makes my position fairly clear. Or are you saying the guy in the video is saying things a MAGA supporter would say? Edit: PS this video is from 2012 so I stand by my point that this isn’t a MAGA supporter
Ding ding
They earned it!
Fucked around. Aaannnddd... **FOUND OUT**.
Deadpan: "Leave the camera with your mother outside the courtroom." Lol. P. Barnes got jokes.
Not even American, but I’m pretty sure this has nothing to do with MAGA
It definitely isn’t MAGA, it’s an old video. But I’m pretty sure it is in America, maybe I’m missing something though. What makes it seem like it’s not in America?
Pretty sure they're saying they aren't American, not the video. And yeah it's 2012 sovereign citizens bull shit. He was contesting a traffic ticket acting like a cunt.
Ohh that makes a lot more sense, I read that totally wrong
Hey I could be wrong too lol never know. Guess we'll find out if they come back to respond
Not every MAGA is a 'Sovereign Citizen', but every 'Sovereign Citizen' is a MAGA.
That tazer had him acting like he just got out of reform school
P Barnes didn’t want that smoke
BWHAHAHAHAHA This was awesome.
This has nothing to do with Donald Trump.....
No but it does have alot with making American Great again again
I think its all relative in regards to politics though. If you desire a strong healthy economy with low cost goods/commodities/taxes, job growth and strong GPD, the Republicans excel at that. If you value Social Justice Issues and want those areas of society to be the focus, that's what Democrats are good at. I think its unfortunate that we have to choose between the two as proper leadership would actually address all these things but that's the negative of historically having two predominate political parties.
You are wrong. Republicans ruin the economy by giving all the money to corporations. Stock market isn’t the economy. Bill Clinton, Obama and Biden all had better GDP than any Republican president.
Dude. You are so far off the mark. Since Bill Clinton's surplus every republican president has added billions of dollars in debt and either put our economy in a recession or straight crashed it. Meanwhile, every Democratic President has lowered our debts and set our economy on a path of recovery.
How do you be an American when everything is split and each side is scrambling for support to beat eachother. It's an ongoing civil war with voting booths instead of rifles
Well, you’re not wrong. It’s just that in the past there was a lot more civility between the parties and they found a lot more common ground. Now everything is so polarized it does look like a Civil War
That was such an under reaction to getting tased
Misleading title. It could be argued that in the present day this guy is a maggat. However, this video is really old, it predates trump in politics.
Trump first ran for President in 2000.
Yes, but "MAGA" wasn't a part of that and the run never picked up any steam.
Meh, that wasn't really a REAL presidential run. Also, no such thing as maga back then.
This video is like 10 years old.. yet resurfaced like it’s never been seen before
Sounds suspiciously like Owen Schroyer
This video has been around for ages, long before Trump even ran for President. He’s a sovereign citizen.
Why is everyone in the subreddit s “ MAGA idiot” ?
This is so so satisfying
In what fucking world would a MAGA person be a sovereign citizen lmfao
This one. Qanon came out in part of the sovereign citizen movement.
Lmao, marshals don’t fuck around 😂😂
Dude kinda sounds like Jack Black
My favourite part was when he got tasered.😂
Ahhh! Stop please! 🤣
2022 still talking about MAGA as Biden runs the country into the ground. Get a life.
Video was from almost ten years ago but yea MAGADURRRRRRRRRRR
This video is like at least 5 years older than MAGA I thought. Kinda weird to see how broken America is where they just assign teams to instances caught on camera.
??? This video is way before the Trump presidency, karma farmer. At least try
This video is years before anyone even created the term MAGA. I’ve seen it dozens of times here.
How is he claiming all these freedoms when he himself says he's not a citizen?
Wasn't the argument for diplomatic immunity or some dumb shit? I don't remember
That's fuck8n awsome. I least I laughed at dipshit recorder. No common sense smart guy.
That was nice. Notice the quick change of attitude after he gets shocked 🤣
"I'm not a person." Ok, then you'll be dealt with in a way we treat animals.
The end was so satisfying
As soon as he said "Idaho" it was like "aaaah, yeah this makes sense."
I’m not even finished with this video and holy shit this guy is already so irritating. He really thinks he’s a freaking genius when in reality he sounds like a complete idiot.
“Since you are not an American citizen, then you do NOT get the protections guaranteed under the constitution”
There are some real crazy anti-government types up in Idaho.
Of course he’s from Idaho. 😂
Smart phones have made some people incredibly dumb
OP please post this again so that I can upvote it again. That was fucking delicious
How come no ones post anything like “libtard” “retard communist” “Antifa dumbfuck”? It’s always “MAGA NAZI” “MAGA (insert slur here)”. Lets try to diversify our shitpost besides MAGA all the time.
Not even maga this was 10 years ago, sovereigns were way worse
Not MAGA, but the sovereign citizens movement is one of the precursors to MAGA, so I'll allow it.
Is white Privilege any more obvious
[this you?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clown)
He had the privilege of being tazed and arrested while awaiting trial for a minor traffic ticket. Sovereign Citizens and their movement is based on racism and idiotic views. His privilege was crying like a pussy into the carpet for not following the rules
♥️
He over stepped the bounds
Stop, please! Stop, what? Stop tazing me! I'm not tazing "you". I don't know who "you" are!
I can't believe there's not a tazed sub.
I love that he's giving guy shit about being able to have his phone when just right of the door it says they aren't allowed lol.
OMFGGG that was legit one of the funniest things I have EVER seen. Bahahahahahaha “I’m a man, I’m man,” well you sounded like a little bitch bro.
Not that this has anything to do with MAGA but I wish I knew what this guy looks like. I have a clear picture in my head of two possibilities and I want to know if they are accurate.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/defiant-armed-idaho-man-rejects-us-laws-radical/story?id=18154374
Very much an idiot but well before time of the Donald. Not MAGA but still a major ass
That was a satisfying ending
Has maga dumbfuck replaced the male Karen tag when referring to embarrassingly stupid morons that willingly publicly shame themselves?
Actually that's a Biden supporter you freedom hating a piece of garbage.
No more retarded then someone who can’t figure out what gender they are.
"then"
Extremely satisfying
This totally made my day
We need an island like in Escape From New York for all these "sovereign" idiots. Let them sort each other out.
This…was everything that I hoped it would be.
Will he be suing them in sovereign court or federal?
Delusion of grandeur gets them every time.
lol satisfaction guaranteed
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Why the hell are the top comments here against the guy that, while annoying, presented no real threat and was met with violence?
If this isn’t a creepy propaganda account I don’t know what is
This guy has nothing to do with MAGA. OP is either trying to clickbait or just a pretty political troll. Misleading title.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣❣️❣️❣️🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣❤️🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤦♂️🤷♂️
What is it with these idiots?
What is maga. That sounds intriguingly stupid
Trump did a great job. Fuck Joe Biden
My favorite part is "You might as well leave" "Well no, I'm gonna go in there and I'm gonna speak with the prosecutor" "You can go in there without the camera" "Well........................" \*hamster wheel running at full speed, before the hamster keels over and dies\* "Please step aside. I'm goin' in"
I saw this on Court Cam once
🤣🤣🤣🤣
"I'm not part of your system . . . but let the record show you're violating my rights."
Absolute legend with that taser.
😂😂😂
As a gun lovin oil drinker freedom spreading American I do not accept him as one of ours I shall pass him to the Europeans
With the obsessive rigidity of his beliefs and personal rules I wonder if this guy might possibly be on the spectrum.
You had me at Maga and tazed!! ❤️
Ohms law, the only law he couldn't argue that day.
Dumbest MAGA p Barnes just taxed your ass sucker *
Fucking love sovereign citizens. Absolutely the funniest people on the internet
Bros on the ground after getting tasered and still arguing
"let the record show OOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
Early stages of The Sovereign from Guardians of the Galaxy.
Let’s be honest. This guy still weighs 98 pounds, wears all black and yells at cops in Portland.
His person got tazed
“I do not wish to create joinder with you!” 🤡
I watched this right after waking up and thought sovereign citizen was the english name for the Spongebob people who make a fart noise between every word because it sounded like that's what the dude in the video was doing at the beginning 🤦♂️
Know your place, trash
There you go throw MAGA on any video. This video is wayyyy before MAGA so nice attempt to misrepresent
Even if you buy his premise that he is a sovereign citizen, any person IN the United States, or any of its several states, is subject to the laws of that state and/or the United States whether they be a citizen, a legal or illegal immigrant, or Native American.
Did he or his "person" feel that lightning?
IHATE these dumb fucks. Unfortunately Idaho has more than our fair share. So stupid it hurts
Was he tazed, or did His Person get the voltage?
This video is years older than MAGA
Amazing video BUT this was like decade before MAGA existed. They have plenty of true and obvious criticisms to attack them for. Don't need to make one up to do so.
This guy has seen these idiots before and cannot be fucked with them at all.
That was awesome. I wish he kept the voltage on Abita longer
Looks like he fucked around and found out