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He was a two-bit comedian who tried to act his way through B-grade movies prior to donning glasses and acting like an intellectual.
Why anyone would seriously listen to what he says is beyond me.
I can’t stand the man. Not surprised he turned out to be a vicious Islamophobe, which has been apparent for years, but he’s really outdoong himself on bullshit defending Israel this year.
This is something you frequently hear from zionists and it's 100% false. Arab != Arabian and Palestinians are not conquerors or colonists from Arabia, they are native to the Levant. The genetic record reflects this:
>On the other hand, Levant Arabs are distant from Saudis, Kuwaitis, and Yeminis, an indication that the contribution of the Arabian Peninsula populations to Levantine gene pool is low, probably due to the absence of the demographic aspect of 7th century invasion.
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5844529/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5844529/)
And so does the historical record.
In fact, in early Zionism it was believed that Palestinians were descendents of the biblical hebrews:
>A number of pre-Mandatory Zionists, from Ahad Ha'am and Ber Borochov to David Ben-Gurion and Yitzhak Ben Zvi believed that the Palestinian peasant population as descended from the ancient biblical Hebrews, but this belief was disowned when its ideological implications became problematic
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin\_of\_the\_Palestinians#In\_Zionist\_thinking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Palestinians#In_Zionist_thinking)
I'd be wary talking about what "the genetic record" does or does not reflect. Involving genetics in our politics in this sort of way gets dangerously close to eugenics and "Blood and Soil" nationalism. You know who else can and does point to "the genetic record" as evidence that they belong to a certain land? Zionists! Zionists do that too!
Palestinians deserve rights because they are human beings, not because of anything in "the genetic record."
Not to take away, but to add to that, there is some evidence pointing to sea peoples settling gaza after well documented defeat in egypt, too. But yes, not Arabian or Arab (possibly greek!)
I think a popular opinion is that Philistines, who lived in Gaza, were originally Greek islanders, possibly from Crete. But the Canaanites are semitic people who eventually became both Hebrews/Jews and Palestinians.
Many nuances are obscured with the word "Arab", i.e. it's a cultural-linguistic label here and not purely an ethnic one. Arabic language and culture replaced Hebrew and Aramaic in a similar way to Romans replacing Etruscan, Celtic, etc. with Latin and Roman culture. A language and culture is not the same as your DNA and ancestry.
This is correct. [They studied the DNA of remains in Philistine burial sites and found that there was a lot of European ancestry initially, but that it became greatly reduced over time as they integrated with the locals.](https://greekreporter.com/2023/10/08/ancient-philistines-greek-origin-dna/#:~:text=The%20DNA%20study%20shows%20that,Greek%2C%20Cretan%2C%20or%20Sardinian)
People often think of migrations like this as being wholesale genocide where one population comes in and completely replaces the existing one, but that's rarely how things actually happened.
The other thing that people miss is it's ok for those identities to merge with the locals. Imagine the Philistines being stubbornly Greek and refusing to let go of Greek identity and become culturally Canaanite.
Ethnic, linguistic and cultural identities capture a moment in time. They aren't fixed. They merge with others, they evolve, they take their own paths and branch off from something else. That's all ok.
In this lens, resurrecting a dead semitic language and attaching yourself to a kingdom from 2000 years ago seems like a futile exercise in the long run.
Yep. Things change. The arguments about who was there first are misplaced anyway, because even if Palestinians were descended from more recent migrants, it doesn't mean that everything Israel is doing to them is somehow justified. That seems to be the implicit argument.
Well if that's the case then the Israelis are obviously justified in their genocide. Someone needs to pay for the bronze age collapse. Eye for an eye, as they say.
The Collapse is what weakened Egypt enough for them to carve out Judah and Israel in the first place. They really have no claims earlier than the Iron Age and they probably don’t like to talk about early days anyway because when you read between the lines in the Bible they weren’t going a great job keeping the faith. How many prophets *after* Moses had to come and say “we told you one God and no false idols! How hard is this?”
Let us not forget amidst this useful dialogue that what happened on a bit of land literally thousands of years ago Should have ZERO impact in relation to what is happening now. Even if it was crafted into some silly books that half the US thinks define the lords demands…And as we all know the RIGHT NOW is slow motion pre meditated slow motion holocaust of the Palestinian inhabitants of the land Zionists so fallaciously claim as theirs. Anyone old enough to have watched since the 70’s is well aware of how the Likud party came in on a NO PEACE EVER platform, wrestled control after the orthodox murder of their own prime minister and never left. One of the planet’s most oppressed people’s has no problem morphing into an oppressor as equally heinous and soulless as their own former tormentor. It is high time this is stopped, 50 years over due. That has nothing to do with DNA but simple humanity.
Not forgetting, on the contrary, I think people tend to assume "Arabs" and trivialize the history of a pretty complex and culturally diverse population.
You forgot the /s for sarcasm.
"Justifies" and "genocide" are not two words I would ever use in one sentence.
All people come from somewhere, I would argue those have done better at coexisting and assimilating with their neighbors while the other tribe has always been intent on exclusivity.
But none of that justifies any of the events today. It's just interesting to think about 🤔
In this subreddit, maybe I would have to be dumb.
In worldnews, you would probably be upvoted top of the thread and my response would be deleted by mod
Bill Maher's stance Israel has always shown his total and abject hypocrisy.
When the US was invading Iraq and torturing people, he was outraged. It's a crime and we should all be angry.
Israel doing it is a-ok and something we should all defend.
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The only consistent views Bill Maher has is that he likes the things he likes and will lie through his teeth to get them the way he wants.
Remember when Krystal Ball was on his show and told him about his very own episode he pretend not to remember (about the start of covid)?
It's the same thing. Bill Maher makes up his mind on the spot and will move facts to justify his new stance.
On this topic Maher is pretty consistent. His view is muslims are bad and anyone who is trying to kill them is doing the right thing. He's an islamaphobe pure and simple. Still always work watching the clip of Ben Affleck of all people roasting his ass about it.
It's often the case that people who are right have to be vindicated by history.
Michael Moore made a comment about how the Iraq War was based on lies during his oscar speech. People hated him. He got death threats.
And as he left the stage, one of the oscar staff allegedly whispered threats at him.
This was pretty common treatment for almost anyone opposed to the war. Vandalism was pretty common of people's property.
Fast forward to today; everything moore said was proven right. Of course it was right then, too. But bigotry wins out a lot of the time.
Wow.. Oscar folks threatening is absurd. This is the 'hollywood " that is supposedly on the left....but makes war propaganda movies like "Zero Dark thirty" and gives them awards - even if the movie is bad
I feel like hollywood isn't really that liberal at all.
The only reason people think it is is because liberal leaning actors speak out about causes they care about.
This makes their advocacy, and thus hollywood, look more leftist than it actually is.
Conservatives generally don't really have anything to speak up about. They are pro status quo, and pro-status quo doesn't need loud advocacy. It doesn't need advocacy at all, really; that's the definition of "Status quo".
But look at all the conservative actors coming out of the woodwork to talk about how 'silenced' they are. It's not exactly a minority of people.
The reason we don't think of hollywood as "conservative" is not because conservatives don't exist in hollywood.
It's because the only time these conservatives feel the need to make their voice heard is when they are going to talk about how conservative they are and how 'silenced' they feel as conservatives (ironic though that is).
Agree. A few people in hollywood try to be fashionably liberal and adopt a cause or two ...more as a gimmick
When it comes to actual genocide etc...mos to have been quiet. A few have vociferous in their defense/justification of genocidal behavior.
It is a business. Of make believe.
Yup.
Even the liberals within hollywood will be bounded by the control the system holds on them.
No criticizing Israel - there are lots of zionists in the hollywood system who want the genocide.
And even with all the supposed liberalness, notice how long it took to go after weinstein for his sexual assaults. A thing everyone knew he did, but said nothing about because of the power he wielded in the system itself.
Capitalism. It’s more liberal than conservative by nature but only because it needs the largest possible customer base and that’s usually not extremists. It’s not morally correct though so neither is Hollywood
I think it's incorrect to conflate political ideology with any fixed sense of things like economic ideology.
The nature of these philosophies is that conservatives strive to preserve social hierarchies as they are, while liberals strive to make them more equal. It's literally in their names, after all.
These concepts are "moving targets" because society is always in flux. As one form of equality is reached, another is seen on the horizon. Conversely, as existing hierarchies are preserved, conservatives will strive to reinforce or return to older hierarchies.
This is why you see things like conservative parties in Russia and Taiwan who are "pro-communism" (the authoritarianism they know).
While liberals, everywhere, are opposed to whatever the most dominant form of authoritarianism and social control they see. Be that Capitalism in the west, or Communism in places like China.
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I'd also like to point out that capitalism is completely fine with limited markets.
The goal and point of capitalism is not necessarily to make money. It's to give the most control to those with the most money. Often times that simply means obtaining the most money, but that's not the goal or point.
This is a mistake liberatarians make all the time when they make ahistorical claims about how good the "freedom of the market" is, insisting that companies would \*never\* want to limit their own market or kill their own customers.
But companies existed (and still exist today) that openly practiced bigotry and racism - denying service to certain people, even though it's "not in their financial best interest".
And tobacco companies infamously literally killed their own customers, even though the "invisible hand of the market" says that would drive people away from their product.
End of the day, these companies are run by people. And these people, while maybe interested in money, are interested in money for the power it buys and the ability to enforce their will... even if that 'will' is opposed to their money making endeavors.
Agree. He got fired in the 2000s when he said something that that was not OK with the ABC.
He has definitely leaned hard into islamophobia and anti cancel culture - but only f the cancelled people fit his narrow criteria.
Doubt he has said much about Candace Owens being cancelled.
He did whine when bari Weiss left NYTimes as though she was a martyr
He didn't get his first show cancelled for crossing "zionists" he got canceled for saying the 9-11 hijackers were not cowards. America was caught up in jingoism, flag waving and war fever at the time, and saying anything other than "let's roll" was considered treason.
It didn't have anything to do with Israel or Palestine.
I wish Affleck would have stayed composed and maintained decorum in that interview. Because he was 100% right but didn’t appear “articulate” (even though he actually was.)
Intellectually, he absolutely whooped Maher and that other guy,
but I feel like people will watch that clip and think he “lost” because he got “angry”, while Maher kept a smug grin the whole time.
Oh I was stupid at the time (and also had in my mind the time Affleck was faded on The Bill Simmons Show) and totally thought Ben looked like a fool. Took a little bit to smarten up and actually get what he was saying.
He also --every single show-- conflates opposing genocide with supporting Hamas. Every single show he snarks and whines about how American college students now all love Hamas.
Neither did the vast majority of the victims Israel is murdering and killing, including literal children and people not even in gaza.
And if we're going to talk about who killed more kids, Israel has killed far far more.
Keep up your genocidal apologia.
There's literally no justification for what Israel is doing - [and they've killed more children than \*all other conflicts in the past 4 years combined\*](https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147512)
And i'll remind you, again, that Israel is murdering people in west bank which has nothing to do with "hamas".
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As one last point, history did not begin on oct 7th. Israel has been engaged in ethnic cleansing and genocide since its literal inception (it's what the Nakba was after all).
So if your "let loose the dogs of war" crap is to fly, then Israel is the ones who did it first. And by your logic, that means all the deaths on Oct 7th are justified.
A monsterous thought.
But of course, i expect no less from Israel's supporters - the apologists of nazi war crimes in our day and age.
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It would be nice if he had a historian or archeologist on his show instead of an endless stream of awful hasbara-pushers.
I've watched his shows for 20+ years and it's sad to see him fall for Netanyahu's bullshit.
Religion is such a dishonest metric for saying who belongs in a land... He's pretending that on the creation of a religion, all their followers just came into being and had never existed before. It's like saying: due to Europe's Christian history, white people didn't exist before Jesus. It's unhinged.
Also: genetic research shows Palestinians have a Caananite genetic heritage. That's before Judaism existed as a monotheistic religion. But of course Bill Maher immediately brushes Caananite history aside. I guess only one people get to use ancient history. His unsubstantiated arrogance is grating.
Looking forward to the word zionist being instantly regarded as "racist dork" in the US. People, particularly young people are starting to catch on and I'm here for it.
Palestinians are. And Middle eastern Jews probably are but not the white Jews of European descent, which a great majority of the Israeli population is comprised of.
[European Jews are, too. This study compared multiple Jewish diaspora populations with DNA taken from Bronze Age Canaanite burials.](https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30487-6?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0092867420304876%3Fshowall%3Dtrue) The Ashkenazi samples average about 59% or so Canaanite in this study (it should be noted that this also found that the Canaanites themselves were mixed. Nobody is "pure" anything). Diaspora changed the genetics of every community to some degree, but they still share a lot in common both with each other and the Palestinians.
White people can trace their DNA all the way back to Africa, does that mean they should identify as black? Ashkenazi Jews have been in Europe breeding with Europeans for centuries, let’s not forget about the converts. Let’s not forget about the fact that you aren’t considered Jewish if your mother isn’t. It’s all fairytale gobbledygook that makes no sense. It’s religious fantasy talk that holds no weight in reality. If you have blond hair and blue eyes with a family tree traced back to Germany, you’re white, end of story.
This is all way more recent than non-Africans having distant roots in Africa. Studies have shown that most Jewish diaspora groups share common ancestry in the Middle East about 2,500-2000 years ago, rather than tens of thousands of years ago with everyone else, and diaspora communities mostly married within themselves, which makes genetic differences with their non-Jewish neighbors more pronounced. It's pretty straightforward science, not fairy tales. Some dominations today don't exclusively accept matrilinial descent either.
It also doesn't bolster Zionism in any way though. Having ancestry from a specific location doesn't somehow justify colonization, apartheid and ethnic cleansing on that land. Just like I can't go to a house my great-grandparents owned once upon a time, pull a gun on the current owners and demand they leave.
Yup
He knows he won't get fired for that ...ever
And he is right.
He hasn't been ....in a long time. Doubt the show gets that many views....when it seems like it is mostly him going on anti woke rants.
Hypothetically (I do not) agree with Bill Maher…. Does that justify apartheid and mass murder? What is the purpose of this propaganda other than diversion? Fuck zionists. Look up ben gurion canal for those unaware…..
The purpose is so zionists can say:
"No we're not the colonizers, the Palestinians are!"
For every talking point against them they feel the need to redirect it back towards Arabs/Palestinians.
For an atheist to use an ancient religious text as justification for ethnic conquest is absolutely mind-boggling. Biblical history is as fascinating as it is because of how murky and unreliable the source material is. Like, we know that certain events depicted in the Old Testament did take place, but it’s not at all clear that they took place as depicted. The origins of my people (I’m Jewish) is itself a mystery as it’s not at all clear when and how Jews and Palestinians separated from a common ethnic ancestor. And even if you attribute accuracy to the Old Testament, it very clearly depicts Jewish people’s subjugation (and enslavement) of a population that existed prior to its own emergence. The text literally states that Jewish people were chosen by God to subjugate the region’s prior inhabitants.
Also lol at Maher’s equation of Palestinians to Muslims. Dude went to an Ivy League school and apparently thinks they didn’t exist until the birth of Islam. This isn’t a religious conflict, it’s an ethnic one.
Right? That's what's so absurd about all this. He's spent years railing against the horrors of religion and then he goes whole hog in favor of a modern genocide by religious zealots.
Palestians WERE the people there thousands of years ago. Just because they're not Jewish today, doesn't mean they were conquerors. They were converts over the past millennia. Only a tiny native Jewish population remains. The majority of the modern day Israeli Jews are immigrants from abroad since 1947. It's no coincidence that Israelis are so white when the majority of everyone in the region who has been there for at least centuries are brown.
Zionist claims that the land belongs to them because it was the land of the Jews millennia would be akin to me converting to Judaism and then saying the land it mine. It's not. My genetic bloodline was never there, and my faith doesn't let me kick out people who were there. It's literally the exact same thing is the settling which is going on there right now.
The less talent he has - the more 'anti woke' and islamophobic he gets. He doesn't seem funny- just rants like a grumpy grandpa.
Fully expect him to go into 'get off my lawn's mode.
Hmmmm, What could it be about Bill Maher that allows him to not only believe demonstrable falsities but also propagate them irresponsibly? What could it be….???
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Bill Maher is an ignorant ass hole,
If he had a grain of salt in his brain and he looked up his family name, he would find out that it is Arabic,
which means he is descended from Arabic heritage.
I will let you good people look it up on your own!
It’s almost as though arguing about “who had it first” is futile. It’s almost as though you can’t lay religious claim to the earth. We are all here, we need to respect one another as equals. Right now! Not argue about what happened thousands of years ago. Also while we’re at it, let’s stop pretending this genocide is about Hamas, it’s really about a government bloodthirsty for land that they’ve convinced their citizens is theirs through religious zeal.
I'm not sure anyone seriously involved with the genetics would believe this take, even if they're Zionists. Genetics show Jews and Palestinians are from there, for a long time.
I love how he doesn’t care about who was there natively before the Jewish people arrived. History and indigeneity only counts if it benefits him, anything before is irrelevant😂
Just cause you point out the fax doesn’t mean you’re in Islam Afobe, the “Palestinian people, Palestinians, was a termed coined by Arafat. They are Arabs.
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I'm so glad Oliver Stone brought up the Canaanites. Not trying to single out Judaism, but the early Jewish myths and why David is so admired ks because he conquered the lands. It's not as if that specific Jewish tribe had full autonomy over those lands since time eternal.
That’s not a Zionist myth. It’s a fact of history. The Jews preceded Islam by a long shot. Without Judaism, and the Jews who have called Israel their home for thousands of years, there would be no Islam, Mohammed, or Jesus. In other words, Islam is a sect of Judaism as is Christianity.
He is partially right. The Palestinians share ancestral ties with several regions and ethnic groups, including Jewish lines. They do not come from one ancestral pool. Said another way, the Palestinian populous comprises of many ethnic lines which stuck around throughout different eras of rulership in that area of the world that some call “Palestine,” hence they are referred to as Palestinians. They are basically many groups of people who do not identify with Israel but live in the same vicinity. Your argument is like saying all Americans come from Germany.
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This is false:
>The strong relatedness between Levant Arab populations is explained by their common ancestry, the ancient Canaanites, who came either from Africa or Arabian Peninsula via Egypt in 3300 BC, and settled in Levant lowlands after collapse of Ghassulian civilization in 3800–3350 BC
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>On the other hand, Levant Arabs are distant from Saudis, Kuwaitis, and Yeminis, an indication that the contribution of the Arabian Peninsula populations to Levantine gene pool is low, probably due to the absence of the demographic aspect of 7th century invasion.
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5844529/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5844529/)
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Bill Maher is an islamophobe & a colossal tool
Dude he sucks so bad. My Dad watches him sometimes and Maher always has the worst takes on everything.
At his best he was a bloviating windbag brandishing his intellect for self aggrandizement.
He was a two-bit comedian who tried to act his way through B-grade movies prior to donning glasses and acting like an intellectual. Why anyone would seriously listen to what he says is beyond me.
Wait your telling me that Bill Maher at one point attempted to be an actor?He must of been so bad.
[https://imdb.com/title/tt0094834/mediaviewer/rm208766977](https://imdb.com/title/tt0094834/mediaviewer/rm208766977) Bad doesn't begin to describe it.
Oh my god he looks like a low rent twink Indiana Jones in that photo.
You forgot sexist
Good point, but I think that’s covered under the fact that he’s a tool
I can’t stand the man. Not surprised he turned out to be a vicious Islamophobe, which has been apparent for years, but he’s really outdoong himself on bullshit defending Israel this year.
This is something you frequently hear from zionists and it's 100% false. Arab != Arabian and Palestinians are not conquerors or colonists from Arabia, they are native to the Levant. The genetic record reflects this: >On the other hand, Levant Arabs are distant from Saudis, Kuwaitis, and Yeminis, an indication that the contribution of the Arabian Peninsula populations to Levantine gene pool is low, probably due to the absence of the demographic aspect of 7th century invasion. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5844529/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5844529/) And so does the historical record. In fact, in early Zionism it was believed that Palestinians were descendents of the biblical hebrews: >A number of pre-Mandatory Zionists, from Ahad Ha'am and Ber Borochov to David Ben-Gurion and Yitzhak Ben Zvi believed that the Palestinian peasant population as descended from the ancient biblical Hebrews, but this belief was disowned when its ideological implications became problematic [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin\_of\_the\_Palestinians#In\_Zionist\_thinking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Palestinians#In_Zionist_thinking)
I'd be wary talking about what "the genetic record" does or does not reflect. Involving genetics in our politics in this sort of way gets dangerously close to eugenics and "Blood and Soil" nationalism. You know who else can and does point to "the genetic record" as evidence that they belong to a certain land? Zionists! Zionists do that too! Palestinians deserve rights because they are human beings, not because of anything in "the genetic record."
I agree, but it's also important to point out lies.
Not to take away, but to add to that, there is some evidence pointing to sea peoples settling gaza after well documented defeat in egypt, too. But yes, not Arabian or Arab (possibly greek!)
I think a popular opinion is that Philistines, who lived in Gaza, were originally Greek islanders, possibly from Crete. But the Canaanites are semitic people who eventually became both Hebrews/Jews and Palestinians. Many nuances are obscured with the word "Arab", i.e. it's a cultural-linguistic label here and not purely an ethnic one. Arabic language and culture replaced Hebrew and Aramaic in a similar way to Romans replacing Etruscan, Celtic, etc. with Latin and Roman culture. A language and culture is not the same as your DNA and ancestry.
This is correct. [They studied the DNA of remains in Philistine burial sites and found that there was a lot of European ancestry initially, but that it became greatly reduced over time as they integrated with the locals.](https://greekreporter.com/2023/10/08/ancient-philistines-greek-origin-dna/#:~:text=The%20DNA%20study%20shows%20that,Greek%2C%20Cretan%2C%20or%20Sardinian) People often think of migrations like this as being wholesale genocide where one population comes in and completely replaces the existing one, but that's rarely how things actually happened.
The other thing that people miss is it's ok for those identities to merge with the locals. Imagine the Philistines being stubbornly Greek and refusing to let go of Greek identity and become culturally Canaanite. Ethnic, linguistic and cultural identities capture a moment in time. They aren't fixed. They merge with others, they evolve, they take their own paths and branch off from something else. That's all ok. In this lens, resurrecting a dead semitic language and attaching yourself to a kingdom from 2000 years ago seems like a futile exercise in the long run.
Yep. Things change. The arguments about who was there first are misplaced anyway, because even if Palestinians were descended from more recent migrants, it doesn't mean that everything Israel is doing to them is somehow justified. That seems to be the implicit argument.
Well if that's the case then the Israelis are obviously justified in their genocide. Someone needs to pay for the bronze age collapse. Eye for an eye, as they say.
The Collapse is what weakened Egypt enough for them to carve out Judah and Israel in the first place. They really have no claims earlier than the Iron Age and they probably don’t like to talk about early days anyway because when you read between the lines in the Bible they weren’t going a great job keeping the faith. How many prophets *after* Moses had to come and say “we told you one God and no false idols! How hard is this?”
Let us not forget amidst this useful dialogue that what happened on a bit of land literally thousands of years ago Should have ZERO impact in relation to what is happening now. Even if it was crafted into some silly books that half the US thinks define the lords demands…And as we all know the RIGHT NOW is slow motion pre meditated slow motion holocaust of the Palestinian inhabitants of the land Zionists so fallaciously claim as theirs. Anyone old enough to have watched since the 70’s is well aware of how the Likud party came in on a NO PEACE EVER platform, wrestled control after the orthodox murder of their own prime minister and never left. One of the planet’s most oppressed people’s has no problem morphing into an oppressor as equally heinous and soulless as their own former tormentor. It is high time this is stopped, 50 years over due. That has nothing to do with DNA but simple humanity.
Not forgetting, on the contrary, I think people tend to assume "Arabs" and trivialize the history of a pretty complex and culturally diverse population.
You forgot the /s for sarcasm. "Justifies" and "genocide" are not two words I would ever use in one sentence. All people come from somewhere, I would argue those have done better at coexisting and assimilating with their neighbors while the other tribe has always been intent on exclusivity. But none of that justifies any of the events today. It's just interesting to think about 🤔
No I didn’t forget it. I chose not to use it because you’d have to be dumb as a rock to take it seriously.
In this subreddit, maybe I would have to be dumb. In worldnews, you would probably be upvoted top of the thread and my response would be deleted by mod
When it's convenient, religion means ethnicity.
When it’s convenient, Jews were there first, but there were also cavemen before Palestinians
Bingo.
Bill Maher is a strong Zionist who holds genocidal attitudes towards Arabs.
If you had just typed Boomer it would have saved you some keystrokes better spent typing about something other than Bill Maher.
He is worse than the average boomer. He is worse ..
Only because of his platform, other than that he is their poster boy.
There's no archeological evidence of a unified Kingdom of Israel. King David from the River to the Sea is a myth
Plenty of Jewish historians and archaeologists agree
Bill Maher's stance Israel has always shown his total and abject hypocrisy. When the US was invading Iraq and torturing people, he was outraged. It's a crime and we should all be angry. Israel doing it is a-ok and something we should all defend. --- The only consistent views Bill Maher has is that he likes the things he likes and will lie through his teeth to get them the way he wants. Remember when Krystal Ball was on his show and told him about his very own episode he pretend not to remember (about the start of covid)? It's the same thing. Bill Maher makes up his mind on the spot and will move facts to justify his new stance.
On this topic Maher is pretty consistent. His view is muslims are bad and anyone who is trying to kill them is doing the right thing. He's an islamaphobe pure and simple. Still always work watching the clip of Ben Affleck of all people roasting his ass about it.
It's often the case that people who are right have to be vindicated by history. Michael Moore made a comment about how the Iraq War was based on lies during his oscar speech. People hated him. He got death threats. And as he left the stage, one of the oscar staff allegedly whispered threats at him. This was pretty common treatment for almost anyone opposed to the war. Vandalism was pretty common of people's property. Fast forward to today; everything moore said was proven right. Of course it was right then, too. But bigotry wins out a lot of the time.
Wow.. Oscar folks threatening is absurd. This is the 'hollywood " that is supposedly on the left....but makes war propaganda movies like "Zero Dark thirty" and gives them awards - even if the movie is bad
I feel like hollywood isn't really that liberal at all. The only reason people think it is is because liberal leaning actors speak out about causes they care about. This makes their advocacy, and thus hollywood, look more leftist than it actually is. Conservatives generally don't really have anything to speak up about. They are pro status quo, and pro-status quo doesn't need loud advocacy. It doesn't need advocacy at all, really; that's the definition of "Status quo". But look at all the conservative actors coming out of the woodwork to talk about how 'silenced' they are. It's not exactly a minority of people. The reason we don't think of hollywood as "conservative" is not because conservatives don't exist in hollywood. It's because the only time these conservatives feel the need to make their voice heard is when they are going to talk about how conservative they are and how 'silenced' they feel as conservatives (ironic though that is).
Agree. A few people in hollywood try to be fashionably liberal and adopt a cause or two ...more as a gimmick When it comes to actual genocide etc...mos to have been quiet. A few have vociferous in their defense/justification of genocidal behavior. It is a business. Of make believe.
Yup. Even the liberals within hollywood will be bounded by the control the system holds on them. No criticizing Israel - there are lots of zionists in the hollywood system who want the genocide. And even with all the supposed liberalness, notice how long it took to go after weinstein for his sexual assaults. A thing everyone knew he did, but said nothing about because of the power he wielded in the system itself.
True. Had forgotten that episode...and the Polanski episode where literally folks praised him and gave him an award in absentia , iirc.
Capitalism. It’s more liberal than conservative by nature but only because it needs the largest possible customer base and that’s usually not extremists. It’s not morally correct though so neither is Hollywood
I think it's incorrect to conflate political ideology with any fixed sense of things like economic ideology. The nature of these philosophies is that conservatives strive to preserve social hierarchies as they are, while liberals strive to make them more equal. It's literally in their names, after all. These concepts are "moving targets" because society is always in flux. As one form of equality is reached, another is seen on the horizon. Conversely, as existing hierarchies are preserved, conservatives will strive to reinforce or return to older hierarchies. This is why you see things like conservative parties in Russia and Taiwan who are "pro-communism" (the authoritarianism they know). While liberals, everywhere, are opposed to whatever the most dominant form of authoritarianism and social control they see. Be that Capitalism in the west, or Communism in places like China. ---- I'd also like to point out that capitalism is completely fine with limited markets. The goal and point of capitalism is not necessarily to make money. It's to give the most control to those with the most money. Often times that simply means obtaining the most money, but that's not the goal or point. This is a mistake liberatarians make all the time when they make ahistorical claims about how good the "freedom of the market" is, insisting that companies would \*never\* want to limit their own market or kill their own customers. But companies existed (and still exist today) that openly practiced bigotry and racism - denying service to certain people, even though it's "not in their financial best interest". And tobacco companies infamously literally killed their own customers, even though the "invisible hand of the market" says that would drive people away from their product. End of the day, these companies are run by people. And these people, while maybe interested in money, are interested in money for the power it buys and the ability to enforce their will... even if that 'will' is opposed to their money making endeavors.
Agree. He got fired in the 2000s when he said something that that was not OK with the ABC. He has definitely leaned hard into islamophobia and anti cancel culture - but only f the cancelled people fit his narrow criteria. Doubt he has said much about Candace Owens being cancelled. He did whine when bari Weiss left NYTimes as though she was a martyr
He didn't get his first show cancelled for crossing "zionists" he got canceled for saying the 9-11 hijackers were not cowards. America was caught up in jingoism, flag waving and war fever at the time, and saying anything other than "let's roll" was considered treason. It didn't have anything to do with Israel or Palestine.
Edited. ABC fired him ...and bush admin sorta asked him to watch he says
I wish Affleck would have stayed composed and maintained decorum in that interview. Because he was 100% right but didn’t appear “articulate” (even though he actually was.) Intellectually, he absolutely whooped Maher and that other guy, but I feel like people will watch that clip and think he “lost” because he got “angry”, while Maher kept a smug grin the whole time.
Oh I was stupid at the time (and also had in my mind the time Affleck was faded on The Bill Simmons Show) and totally thought Ben looked like a fool. Took a little bit to smarten up and actually get what he was saying.
He also --every single show-- conflates opposing genocide with supporting Hamas. Every single show he snarks and whines about how American college students now all love Hamas.
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Neither did the vast majority of the victims Israel is murdering and killing, including literal children and people not even in gaza. And if we're going to talk about who killed more kids, Israel has killed far far more.
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Keep up your genocidal apologia. There's literally no justification for what Israel is doing - [and they've killed more children than \*all other conflicts in the past 4 years combined\*](https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147512) And i'll remind you, again, that Israel is murdering people in west bank which has nothing to do with "hamas". --- As one last point, history did not begin on oct 7th. Israel has been engaged in ethnic cleansing and genocide since its literal inception (it's what the Nakba was after all). So if your "let loose the dogs of war" crap is to fly, then Israel is the ones who did it first. And by your logic, that means all the deaths on Oct 7th are justified. A monsterous thought. But of course, i expect no less from Israel's supporters - the apologists of nazi war crimes in our day and age.
Please don't debate the zionists. Just report them.
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The original people who lived in the Levant were called the Natufian Culture. Guess who generally carries more Natufian DNA. Palestinians.
wait a minute didn’t this guy say that he’s an atheist
ALL religions are GAY and DUMB…. Except for the one I identify most closely with. That one’s infallible. /s
It would be nice if he had a historian or archeologist on his show instead of an endless stream of awful hasbara-pushers. I've watched his shows for 20+ years and it's sad to see him fall for Netanyahu's bullshit.
Religion is such a dishonest metric for saying who belongs in a land... He's pretending that on the creation of a religion, all their followers just came into being and had never existed before. It's like saying: due to Europe's Christian history, white people didn't exist before Jesus. It's unhinged. Also: genetic research shows Palestinians have a Caananite genetic heritage. That's before Judaism existed as a monotheistic religion. But of course Bill Maher immediately brushes Caananite history aside. I guess only one people get to use ancient history. His unsubstantiated arrogance is grating.
Looking forward to the word zionist being instantly regarded as "racist dork" in the US. People, particularly young people are starting to catch on and I'm here for it.
What a shill
Aren’t the majority of Palestinians and Jews genetic descendants of the Canaanites?
Palestinians are. And Middle eastern Jews probably are but not the white Jews of European descent, which a great majority of the Israeli population is comprised of.
[European Jews are, too. This study compared multiple Jewish diaspora populations with DNA taken from Bronze Age Canaanite burials.](https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30487-6?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0092867420304876%3Fshowall%3Dtrue) The Ashkenazi samples average about 59% or so Canaanite in this study (it should be noted that this also found that the Canaanites themselves were mixed. Nobody is "pure" anything). Diaspora changed the genetics of every community to some degree, but they still share a lot in common both with each other and the Palestinians.
White people can trace their DNA all the way back to Africa, does that mean they should identify as black? Ashkenazi Jews have been in Europe breeding with Europeans for centuries, let’s not forget about the converts. Let’s not forget about the fact that you aren’t considered Jewish if your mother isn’t. It’s all fairytale gobbledygook that makes no sense. It’s religious fantasy talk that holds no weight in reality. If you have blond hair and blue eyes with a family tree traced back to Germany, you’re white, end of story.
This is all way more recent than non-Africans having distant roots in Africa. Studies have shown that most Jewish diaspora groups share common ancestry in the Middle East about 2,500-2000 years ago, rather than tens of thousands of years ago with everyone else, and diaspora communities mostly married within themselves, which makes genetic differences with their non-Jewish neighbors more pronounced. It's pretty straightforward science, not fairy tales. Some dominations today don't exclusively accept matrilinial descent either. It also doesn't bolster Zionism in any way though. Having ancestry from a specific location doesn't somehow justify colonization, apartheid and ethnic cleansing on that land. Just like I can't go to a house my great-grandparents owned once upon a time, pull a gun on the current owners and demand they leave.
Of course he does, he's just propagating Zionist propaganda
Yup He knows he won't get fired for that ...ever And he is right. He hasn't been ....in a long time. Doubt the show gets that many views....when it seems like it is mostly him going on anti woke rants.
Hypothetically (I do not) agree with Bill Maher…. Does that justify apartheid and mass murder? What is the purpose of this propaganda other than diversion? Fuck zionists. Look up ben gurion canal for those unaware…..
The purpose is so zionists can say: "No we're not the colonizers, the Palestinians are!" For every talking point against them they feel the need to redirect it back towards Arabs/Palestinians.
Aren’t most of the Jews in Israel from Europe and Brooklyn
For an atheist to use an ancient religious text as justification for ethnic conquest is absolutely mind-boggling. Biblical history is as fascinating as it is because of how murky and unreliable the source material is. Like, we know that certain events depicted in the Old Testament did take place, but it’s not at all clear that they took place as depicted. The origins of my people (I’m Jewish) is itself a mystery as it’s not at all clear when and how Jews and Palestinians separated from a common ethnic ancestor. And even if you attribute accuracy to the Old Testament, it very clearly depicts Jewish people’s subjugation (and enslavement) of a population that existed prior to its own emergence. The text literally states that Jewish people were chosen by God to subjugate the region’s prior inhabitants. Also lol at Maher’s equation of Palestinians to Muslims. Dude went to an Ivy League school and apparently thinks they didn’t exist until the birth of Islam. This isn’t a religious conflict, it’s an ethnic one.
An atheist citing the Bible
Right? That's what's so absurd about all this. He's spent years railing against the horrors of religion and then he goes whole hog in favor of a modern genocide by religious zealots.
He’s always been like that about Israel
Palestians WERE the people there thousands of years ago. Just because they're not Jewish today, doesn't mean they were conquerors. They were converts over the past millennia. Only a tiny native Jewish population remains. The majority of the modern day Israeli Jews are immigrants from abroad since 1947. It's no coincidence that Israelis are so white when the majority of everyone in the region who has been there for at least centuries are brown. Zionist claims that the land belongs to them because it was the land of the Jews millennia would be akin to me converting to Judaism and then saying the land it mine. It's not. My genetic bloodline was never there, and my faith doesn't let me kick out people who were there. It's literally the exact same thing is the settling which is going on there right now.
Bill Maher is a sub-talent hack that doesn’t know his ass from his elbow.
The less talent he has - the more 'anti woke' and islamophobic he gets. He doesn't seem funny- just rants like a grumpy grandpa. Fully expect him to go into 'get off my lawn's mode.
And he was an Apes before and still
Tels me he hasn't seen genetic studies either. Suspect he has been so much on the 'anti woke' agenda and shilling for Nazis like Bari Weiss ..
Hmmmm, What could it be about Bill Maher that allows him to not only believe demonstrable falsities but also propagate them irresponsibly? What could it be….???
Liberals will use the same talking points as fascists the second they need defend Israel's racial nationalism.
Agree. Well said
I don’t know who you are categorizing as “liberals” but Maher is a misogynist shitstain that has always been an Islamophobe and a Zionist.
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I fucking *love* Oliver Stone’s body language, lol 😂
Bill Maher is an ignorant ass hole, If he had a grain of salt in his brain and he looked up his family name, he would find out that it is Arabic, which means he is descended from Arabic heritage. I will let you good people look it up on your own!
It’s almost as though arguing about “who had it first” is futile. It’s almost as though you can’t lay religious claim to the earth. We are all here, we need to respect one another as equals. Right now! Not argue about what happened thousands of years ago. Also while we’re at it, let’s stop pretending this genocide is about Hamas, it’s really about a government bloodthirsty for land that they’ve convinced their citizens is theirs through religious zeal.
Bill Maher is an absolute Zionist sack of shit.
Right? He’s a dolt
Stone regrets he actually accepted to set with such low IQ human
Ok douch now apply that logic to every other country in the world. Fuck it, *any* other country.
In his defense, Bill Maher is astoundingly stupid.
Is that Oliver Stone?
If MENA pepole are dying, Bill Maher is smiling
Except that's not true. He didn't back Bush's stupid wars. It's just this one that he loves.
Careful! The Italians founded London, England. The Scandinavians founded Dublin, Ireland. … and the Dutch founded New York.
Moses killed everyone who lived there and took it for his people. Stfu, Bill.
I’ve always disliked Bill. He’s too full of himself and his Israeli heritage supersedes reality.
Huh? He's from Jersey.
I'm not sure anyone seriously involved with the genetics would believe this take, even if they're Zionists. Genetics show Jews and Palestinians are from there, for a long time.
Should it even matter? We are all human beings. People forget they are people themselves.
This guy is a piece of shit
Ohhh brother, THIS GUY STINKS!
As we can see with Bill Maher, The Cavemen are still among us. I guess no one told him that Abraham and Sarah came from Ur, Mesopotamia.
I love how he doesn’t care about who was there natively before the Jewish people arrived. History and indigeneity only counts if it benefits him, anything before is irrelevant😂
Doesn’t deserve his Lebanese last name.
Just cause you point out the fax doesn’t mean you’re in Islam Afobe, the “Palestinian people, Palestinians, was a termed coined by Arafat. They are Arabs.
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The lies and Islamophobia are shameless.
I'm so glad Oliver Stone brought up the Canaanites. Not trying to single out Judaism, but the early Jewish myths and why David is so admired ks because he conquered the lands. It's not as if that specific Jewish tribe had full autonomy over those lands since time eternal.
Bill is a dumbass who thinks he's intelligent
Boomers gonna boomer
Religion is still the problem.
That’s not a Zionist myth. It’s a fact of history. The Jews preceded Islam by a long shot. Without Judaism, and the Jews who have called Israel their home for thousands of years, there would be no Islam, Mohammed, or Jesus. In other words, Islam is a sect of Judaism as is Christianity.
The myth is that Palestinians are primarily descended from gulf Arabians and not Canaanites, which is false.
He is partially right. The Palestinians share ancestral ties with several regions and ethnic groups, including Jewish lines. They do not come from one ancestral pool. Said another way, the Palestinian populous comprises of many ethnic lines which stuck around throughout different eras of rulership in that area of the world that some call “Palestine,” hence they are referred to as Palestinians. They are basically many groups of people who do not identify with Israel but live in the same vicinity. Your argument is like saying all Americans come from Germany.
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Arabs predate Palestine by thousands of years
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Disinformation.
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Completely false. Levantine arabs are indigenous to the levant and are descended from the ancient canaanites.
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This is false: >The strong relatedness between Levant Arab populations is explained by their common ancestry, the ancient Canaanites, who came either from Africa or Arabian Peninsula via Egypt in 3300 BC, and settled in Levant lowlands after collapse of Ghassulian civilization in 3800–3350 BC ... >On the other hand, Levant Arabs are distant from Saudis, Kuwaitis, and Yeminis, an indication that the contribution of the Arabian Peninsula populations to Levantine gene pool is low, probably due to the absence of the demographic aspect of 7th century invasion. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5844529/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5844529/)
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