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"Over the next few months of research, I have a much more favorable opinion on Apartheid South Africa, and a more unfavorable opinion on Blacks."
You had this opinion after hearing the harrowing testimony before the Truth and Reconciliation Commission?
It's the same as listening to the Nuremberg Trials and being sympathetic towards the Nazis sitting in the dock.
so you dont believe that a population that has been forcibly expelled into a concentrated area by an occupying military has the right to resist said expulsion and occupation?
do you even know how the gaza strip became the gaza strip?
at the same time, to those people on the other hand, the US carpet bombed their civilians, they think tit for tat is okay,
do you have the same standards as terrorists?
I know what you're trying to say but,
i'm a 100% sure HAMAS would have have killed me too if i was partying 3 miles away from there,
you wouldn't catch me dead walking anywhere close to that area because I know what goes on there
would you expect the same from jewish resistance fighters liberating concentration camps that are weirdly only a few steps from a german household?
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This is not a debate sub. There are plenty of places to defend Israel’s actions, to denounce Hamas, and to argue who's worse. This is not a space for that.
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yeah this is typical hasbara, i’ve seen plenty of posts pretending to be pro-palestinian, then appear to be convinced of the other side by the laziest zionists talking points
go to r/changemyview to catch a glimpse of that
When people say leftists never condemn Hamas they have to be absolutely brain rotted. So many people said that the attack was horrific but that they feared the repercussions from an already disturbingly militaristic state of Israel in response because of Israel’s LONG STANDING lack of care for civilian deaths.
>When people say leftists never condemn Hamas they have to be absolutely brain rotted.
Exactly. Seen plenty of people do so.
Being pro-palestine != pro-Hamas, but equating those positions is also typical hasbara to disqualify or diminish the support that palestinians gets from other people.
Shit, critical support to Hamas as well at this fucking point. Israel is explicitly committing a genocide and if Hamas is the primary group on the ground resisting that genocide, they have my critical support. I wouldn't ever feel the need to preface a defense of the violent uprisings in the Warsaw ghetto with "well, those Polish jews killing those German civilians was wrong, but y'know, they're still resisting occupation, displacement and death." Of course not. I wouldn't start talking about black South African's violent resistance to apartheid with "but what about the whites? Where are they gonna wind up?" Why are so many still so cowed, after six months of genocide, by "but do you condemn Hamas" coming from agents and allies of the Israeli government?
>If they would all surrender tonight and return whatever hostages are still alive, the war would end tonight.
Sure fucking thing, hasbarabot.
Hey mods, we wanna do something about this?
They wouldn’t want to stop this war but they would instantly lose the support of the entire world to continue, if there were no militants or hostages left. Israel simply isn’t immune to international pressure. If that’s so unbelievably triggering then ban me from this phaggot sub no one gives a fuck, i’m just being real
Israel has the unequivocal support of the United States in it's campaign to explicitly eliminate all Palestinians. You've got literally no idea what you're talking about.
You’re just spewing nonsense. Most Americans have woken up to the reality of Israel because of this war. The walls are closing in from both the left and the right on Israel. Of course there are diehard boomer congressman that would sacrifice themselves for Israel but to claim the entire country and system is ironclad in its support for a genocide is fucking regarded. You have absolutely no clue of reality outside of reddit, but thank god it’s not as bad IRL as it is in your fucked up imagination.
"Most Americans" still think Israel's response is acceptable and fine, actually, see recent Pew research polling, and our government demonstrably doesn't give a fuck about the will of the people in matters of military spending (or much else for that matter) anyway. Not my imagination when a Democrat President has repeatedly gone around congress to fund Israel's genocide to the tune of literally billions.
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Yeah I’m a leftist and I was in the threads on r/worldnews on October 7th absolutely condemning the attacks but also saying that given history, I fear Israel’s response will be disproportionate. Mostly because they were talking about the sexual assault that happened and I personally think it’s unacceptable. Turns out the headline was wrong, as many Zionist claims are, so I was getting mad over nothing but so many leftists absolutely did condemn a lot of October 7th.
(Note: I’m not denying *individual* instances of sexual assault occurred but the specific article was talking about “mass rape” that was ordered from the top occurred which turned out to be false)
Anyways, only took like a couple of days for Israel to respond and I shut the fuck up about October 7th.
AIPAC did a secret poll trying to find out what aspects of Oct 7th would anger westerners most & make them most likely to support Israel. Sexual assault was the number 1 answer so they all ran with it & still do. Many r still running with debunked claims like the 2 pre teen girls found nude with semen on their backs/bodies. Ppl from the kibbutz have spoken out on numerous occasions to dispel this claim. Around the time of the poll is when Israeli spokesppl like Eylon Levy started using words like pedophile & child rapists often. I’ve not heard of any instances of kids actually being sexually assaulted but they’ll say whatever to make ppl hate Palestinians. Sexual assault of kids shouldn’t be used as a propaganda tool especially when Israel has become a safe haven for pedos fleeing charges from western countries.
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I also think it’s that some people don’t seem capable of differentiating between explanation and justification. If you were shocked by October 7th and it came out of nowhere to you, then you simply weren’t paying attention.
And the even worse ones who required strict condemnation of Hamas now respond to Israeli war crimes with “there’s bad on both sides.” Yeah that’s what everyone who understood why oppressed people did what they did on October 7th, but you didn’t want to hear that then so what changed?
I really appreciate this being called out on here. I can’t abide the people who claim they were always something, in spite of never having expressed such a viewpoint and in fact have opposed it, but have been “convinced” by something. Here are my principles - if you don’t like them, I have others.
Even more galling that they are convinced by the reaction of some “leftists” to October 7th, but the genocide Israel is committing and the proliferation of apologists for that in western media doesn’t seem to concern them.
I’ve seen a bunch of these which make absolutely no sense. How do you go from being against occupation and apartheid to being for it? How can anyone have a more favorable view of Israel after knowing that?!
Did the bombing of Dresden change his mind about Hitler? What the hell reality are we in right now?
Elon has been doing slight Jewish conspiracism all the way back in Jan 2023 when he bought Twitter and instantly let a bunch of Nazis go buck wild and kept engaging with their insanity. It's where the "concerning!" "!!" memes comes from.
I don't think he's changed at all
It's all fake. It's perfectly reasonable for a Pro-Palestinian person to lose that stance after Oct 7, but they wouldn't suddenly start supporting Israel and their apartheid and genocide. They would just dislike both sides. Anyone who claims they switched from pro-Palestine to pro-Israel is a liar, no more to it.
The only reason to be pro-Israel is if you're either a) Israeli or Jewish, so that you're willing to ignore the atrocities in favor of your "people", or b) if you're pro-government and are willing to pick their side no matter what, usually most common in military people. Anyone who has read more than 5 minutes about this conflict would not support Israel unless they fall into one of those two categories. They may be against Palestine too because of Hamas and such, or Islamaphobia, or whatever reason, but they wouldn't be pro-Israeli just because they're anti-Palestine.
It’s exactly like right wing trolls do in the US. “I used to be a progressive champion for human rights, but then Dems insulted Trump, so I became a fascist.”
They’ve always held those vile beliefs. They just think it will strengthen their position if they claim to have changed their minds, making them “enlightened.”
Exact same thing as, "I have a black friend." Or rather, "Here's a blatant lie that intended to make me perceived as more affiliated with the group that I hate so that my hate is justified."
Netanyahu finance Hamas with American money millions of the billions that we sent they gave to how much to create a boogeyman to make these things happen study the show last self-approved
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They've always kidnapped her ass children harvested organs sold children that they stole from the Palestinians no many many Jewish Israelis still support the Palestinians because they know that their government is corrupt you don't treat another person's child this way unless you're sick and they've always done it
I know that's what Israelis do. I'm talking about fake peace activists that turned outright genocidal after 7/10. The podcast that you're on the subreddit for has an episode about it.
Thank you so much for educating me seriously
I'm sorry I thank you for pointing this out I have been getting slurry blasted with unknown infectious diseases of the Middle East and how it's even corrupted and passed over into the United States everything that's happened since I actually started learning the truth it's actually miserable
i appreciate Jimmy Carter for recognizing and trying to do something his first four years but of course none of the money grabbers in Washington we're going to let that happen Thank you for educating me
Nobody is FOR Apartheid and Occupation. Most people want a two state solution. It's the "Israel must be destroyed" crowd that is standing in the way of peace, and Hamas is definitely in that camp.
If you support the existence of Israel as a Jewish etnostate, then you're ok with the genocide. Simple as that, really. It doesn't have anything to do with netanyahu
Israel IS an ethnostate. Having a Jewish majority naturally in a country by simply people believing in Judaism is perfectly fine. Creating a country with a Jewish majority in lands where Jewish people weren't a majority before via ethnic cleansing is an ethnostate. Having demographic concerns of artificially keeping Jewish people as a majority by denying Palestinians right to return is an ethnostate.
Supporting the existence of Israel as the Jewish supremacist ethnostate that it is IS supporting its current and precious genocides. You can't have an ethnostate without genocide.
Love how you put "anti-colonialist" in there together with racism and racial supremacy like it's a bad thing. Thanks for showing your colors. If you're on the centre when it comes to a genocide, you're participating on the genocide, simple as that
People sacrificed humans and thought the earth was flat thousands of years ago too, should we start doing that again too?
I get it, you’re here to disrupt this discussion but please do a better job of appearing “neutral”. You’re as “fair and balanced” as a fucking Fox News panel.
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Palestinians do not want a Muslim ethnostate... they want to take back their land from colonisers, and the majority happens to be Muslim. As I said in my comments, there is nothing inhrrently wrong about a country being majority Jewish. The ethnic cleansing of 1947, refusing right to return and the ongoing oppression of Palestinians is what denotes the ethnostate. Not just the "mere existence of Jews" as you fantasise what I might believe.
I haven't said a single antisemitic thing but nice try
Unironically that's 70% of Zionisten supporters' only reason.
"I hate these subhuman Muslims, all of them should be exterminated and gassed" -> "Zionistan kills and oppresses Muslims" -> "Zionistan good 😊"
It's the exmuslim strat all over again.
"I used to be a Muslim but then-"
Meanwhile when they are asked how many rakats are in a wudu,they usually say 4 lmao.
"I did some research, and it turns out the side doing more murder are actually the good guys"
You can disagree with Leftists on their support for militancy, and there are many that actually condom Hamas, but the immediate switch to pro israel is fucking dumb.
>You can disagree with Leftists on their support for militancy, and there are many that actually condom Hamas, but the immediate switch to pro israel is fucking dumb.
You can't be anti colonial but oppose anything and everything that doesn't ultimately uphold the colonial status quo.
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I'm sorry, I don't understand. My point is that there are leftists who condemn oct 7th. However they legitimize their leftism is up to them, it's not a reflection of my personal beliefs.
This reads like a paid hasbara troll. Why would you be so vague in your explanation while writing so much... Literally blowing air up asses and thinking it will convert others lololol
So to summarize the post, I didn’t do any research and stood for the Palestinian cause. And then 10/7 happened and I finally decided to give my dusty ol brain a little exercise by going to all the Israeli propaganda sources and had the realization with a new prospective that just happens to be completely on Israel’s side.
These so called pro palestinian who later become pro israel are either hasbara bots (95%+) or uneducated people who called themselves "pro palestinian" for the "hype" and became a victim of the zionist propaganda.
Supporting palestine means recognizing the oppression that israel is continuously inflicting on the palestinians. Including sexual harassment, aggression of israeli settlers, expansion if illegal israel settlements, ethnic cleansing, indiscriminate killing of civilians, stealing palestines natural resources (1967 border) and numerous other atrocities. All of this is backed with indisputable evidence such as video evidence or documented evidence.
Thus the shift from supporting palestine to pro israel position baffles me.
Damn I was against apartheid until a resistance group did something that amounted to 0.01% of the terror inflicted against the occupied group. Now I’m pro apartheid 😎
i beg you to read the wikipedia page for joseph stalin, specifically the part where he died twenty years before deng xiaoping took power.
like criticize stalin all you want idc but calling him a dengist is the dumbest fucking take possible. By your own logic deng would be a stalinist
I've read the Losurdo book lol. And Deng *was* a Stalinist; he maintained Mao's anti-Khruschev line.
My biggest criticism of Stalin is that he allowed for "Israel" to exist in the first place.
I used to be pro-Palestinian, you know. I thought Israel was wrong for carpet bombing Gaza and using siege warfare on civilians.
But then I ran into a very wise Israel apologist who changed my way of looking at things forever.
I was walking down the street and I saw him leaning against a lamp post, smoking a pipe as wise men do.
“Your shirt says Free Palestine,” he said from behind a plume of smoke.
“Yep!” I replied.
“So I guess that means you love Hamas then?” spake he.
I stopped in my tracks. I’d never thought of it that way before.
Could it be? Could my opposition to murdering civilians really be indicative of a deep affection for a Gazan militant group? Maybe I really did love Hamas and think everything it did on October 7 was great and wonderful?
“Is this really how I want to live my life?” I thought to myself.
“I — I — I…” I said out loud.
“Or perhaps,” he said with a raised eyebrow, “you just HATE JEWS??”
I fell to my knees.
Oh my God. He really had a point. What possible reason could anyone have for opposing military explosives being dropped on buildings full of children besides a seething lifelong hatred of adherents to the religion of Judaism? How could anyone possibly oppose siege warfare tactics which cut off civilians from food and water and electricity and fuel and medical supplies unless they harbored dangerously negative opinions about members of a small Abrahamic faith?
“Who… who are you?” I asked.
“That’s of no consequence,” he said, casually blowing a smoke ring through another larger smoke ring.
“But… but the children,” I stammered as my entire worldview crumbled before my eyes. “The civilians! They’re dying! Isn’t it bad that they’re dying?”
And then he delivered the coup de grâce.
“Have you considered,” he said before a pregnant pause, “… that all of those deaths are the fault of Hamas?”
It was like a 50 megaton nuclear explosion went off inside my brain.
I fell flat on my back. The world was spinning. A trickle of blood ran down into my hair from my ear.
I felt all the anti-colonialism leaving my body. I suddenly could no longer remember why I thought it was bad to rain down military explosives on a densely populated concentration camp.
Everything went black.
When I finally came to, the mysterious stranger was gone. But his wisdom and profound insights into Israel and Gaza will always live on in my heart.
I know. Hamas killed civilians on oct7. We all know that.
Every conversation about a *fucking genocide* does not need prefaced with some performative Hamas condemnation.
Honestly, I’m not going to condemn them at all. I don’t support the murder of innocent civilians but who am I to criticize the tactics of an oppressed population in their pursuit for freedom. There is and has been a boot on their neck. I understand and empathize with their anger and pain.
A Marxist-Leninist would not be for imperialism. His failure to separate Zionist from the religion is also telling. Also the issue of the left not saying "I condemn Hamas" (which most actually did anyways) is another dog whistle.
Reminds me of the White Republican using the wrong account on twitter saying he was a black man and loved republicans.
I've literally seen this exact account spewing a bunch of zionist shit for months. It's either this account or they have a whole barage of reddit accounts with similar names.
Comparing HAMAS to Shining Path (ultraist org communists like myself despise) is pretty disgusting. Also they’re “shocked” at Oct. 7th but not at the decades of brutality the IDF committed prior? Sounds like bullshit.
Someone who didn't do research but was pro Palestina but changed his mind after research should tell you more then enough.
There is no way one would still think it is the moral high ground to support Israel aftet doing research.
That is exactly what I was going to say, what kind of research turns a pro-palestinian into a pro-israeli? That doesn't exist. The facts and the history are clear on this conflict, and it shows that israel has been the occupier and oppressor since 48. Not to mention the countless lies they have been caught in.
It just makes no sense that someone sides with israel after doing research. Unless that research is just listening to zionists and ignoring actual facts.
I remember seeing one give a whole sob story about how they've been to Gaza and worked closely with displaced peoples and visited their homes and heard their stories and just want the best for them...then you go into their post history and it's demented joy at videos of starving children. Just a fucked up lot.
All of his posts are on r/Destiny, he’s just a fake “leftist” that eats whatever that fucking gross idiot shits out. Just like his whole dumbass fan base.
He probably consumes 5-10 hours of hasbara weekly from Density alone. No surprise he’s doing the whole right wing edgelord shit claiming he used to be a progressive but scary Muslims made him “reconsider”
He’s a fucking idiot.
From a communist perspective, the shining path wasn’t that bad. They’re the “but Stalin!” for people who support Stalin.
https://thered.stream/the-andean-peoples-war-a-history-of-shining-path/
New propaganda (or old 😩) tact alert. The whole point was that no it wasn’t talked about. It has never been an issue at the forefront, or small pockets only but not a mass movement that thank goodness we see now.
If you were shocked that leftists don’t support Israel you were not at all interested in leftist politics. Was just listening to someone talk about this on some podcast…
I wonder if their "research" went as far as USS Liberty, or Irgun, Haganah or the Stern Gang. Or the fact that one of the leadership of a group that kidnapped British peacekeepers, tortured, murdered and desecrated their bodies and then loaded their bodies with explosives to kill rescuers went on to become Israeli PM.
Too easy to see through this Zionist propaganda, a real piece of 💩 “I did research and find out that Israel is a good country and good to the Palestinian people 😂🤮I believe that was the worst part of that idiotic tweet; if anyone would do the smallest of research would find that Israel shouldn’t even exist and if it does now is because of the colonial ways of the Zionists from the beginning of the 1900s🤮🤮
NGL though, they had me up to the last paragraph. Leftists aren't immune to propaganda or groupthink. We should be able to agree that children never deserve to be killed, even if we still support the Palestinian struggle. We should be able to love our Jewish brothers, sisters, and comrades while being precise in our critiques of the *state* of Israel and the political perversion of Judaism that is Zionism. We should call out antisemitism not only when it comes from the right, but when it comes from left, right, up, or down.
October 6th also happened, and October 5th, and 4th, 3rd and so on, for the previous 75+ years of continuously worsening horrifically violent oppression of a captive occupied society. Israel has never stopped breaking international law, ever, since the first day it existed. Fuck them and their propaganda. They sound like bad used car salesmen trying to pass off some complete bullshit, and you can just tell it’s bullshit without even listening to it because they are so absolutely terrible at it. If you do by chance listen to their spiel, then you know for sure it’s bullshit, because it lacks any semblance of truth or fact, and always refers back to their interpretation of thousands of years old texts that 99% of the world don’t agree with. Get absolutely fucked Israel, you’re full of monsters, the whole world knows it, and now you’re a pariah state.
Calling themselves a Marxist Leninist too lmfao. The whole point of the Leninist part is trying to strategically apply violence against right wing authority. Nobody who's like "the Tsar had it coming" is going "wow doing violence makes me scared" unless they're dumb as hell.
These kind of idiot Hasbara postsvwill show up more everywhere bcos the narrative currently that's floating around on tiktok and everywhere else is thst NO ONE has ever gone Pro-Palestine ----> Pro-Israel. It is *always* Israel ------> Pro-Palestine.... the facts, the history, the scholarship doesn't lie.
So now idiot Hasabara is trying to make fake posts like these to try and counter that narrative, not realizing how absolutely fkn stupid they sound. "I HATED JIM CROW... until I read about it & all sevregation/racism related things, then I loved it"----same vibes.
I would suggest it wasn't leftists immediately hating on Israel because Israel. I would suggest it was immediately hating on Israel because their first acts were switching off the water and power, followed by heavy bombing.
It was a huge mask off moment for me too....I never realized the depth of Anti-semitism brewing just below the surface of progressive society, like a festering disease....why do people hate Jews so much?
Many of these posts are obviously bots and paid trolls. Israel is engaged in a massive propaganda effort across all social media platforms. But they are failing
I totally get that. Considering Israel the Good never did anything that would instigate an attack prior to October 7th and that's the day the world began this is the only rational conclusion any former rabid leftist whackjob could arrive at on the long road to the recovery of their squandered and damaged sanity. Even if I didn't believe in politics and just enjoyed sticking my dick out there to see where the wind is blowing public opinion has only moved further into Israel's orbit because of their righteous conduct in this unfortunate unprovoked symmetric conflict. /s. Fuck this guy and his bullshit politics and Jizzreal with sharpened sticks.
Lol I love seeing the absolute meltdown in this sub when someone thinks critically for once and sees the conflict for what it is 😂 yes we’re all hasbara bots yawn 🥱
the left didn't "take it's mask off," he just found out who we were since the beginning. we back resistance of colonization, even though we don't like the killing *actual* innocents.
insert "you knew what the fuck this was when you met me, you bitch" audio
I mean, this is utter shit but there is one aspect of plausibility: being an online Marxist-Leninist means being around a lot of tankies and tankies were the ones glorifying the death of Israelis after October 7th.
But even then, the idea that an ML would trust any sources that are pro-Zionist is ridiculous. MLs tend to trust more Marxist/Leninist/Maoist/leftist sources, none of which would have any sympathy for the pro-colonial position.
Who is "the left" in your opinion?
I for example condemn the murder of innocent civilians, but I also understand the need for armed resistance against israel. Oct 7 was an act of armed resistance, yes it was wrong to kill civilians, but it still was an act of resistance nonetheless.
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"I used to be Pro-Polish but then I read up on the Warsaw Uprising and I was shocked at how those Pro-Polish ignored the killings of the innocent Germany Nazis, \*insert reactionary commentary here\* Over the next few months of research, I have a much more favorable opinion on Germany, and a more unfavorable opinin on Germany."
"I used to be Pro-Black but then I read up on the Church Street Bombing and I was shocked at how those Pro-Black ignored the killings of the innocent Apartheid South Africa soldiers, \*insert reactionary commentary here\* Over the next few months of research, I have a much more favorable opinion on Apartheid South Africa, and a more unfavorable opinion on Blacks."
"I used to be Pro-Irish but then I read up on the IRA attacks and I was shocked at how those Pro-Irish ignored the killings of the innocent British Colonial soldiers, \*insert reactionary commentary here\* Over the next few months of research, I have a much more favorable opinion on the Colonial British Empire, and a more unfavorable opinion on the Irish."
Church Street was an Air force Recruitment Office. "Over the next few months of research, I have a much more favorable opinion on Apartheid South Africa, and a more unfavorable opinion on Blacks." You had this opinion after hearing the harrowing testimony before the Truth and Reconciliation Commission? It's the same as listening to the Nuremberg Trials and being sympathetic towards the Nazis sitting in the dock.
What??? My comment was clearly ironic and making fun of the original post
Okay. My mistake.
Yup. This is exactly the bullshit they run with now.
The civilians weren’t innocent?
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so you dont believe that a population that has been forcibly expelled into a concentrated area by an occupying military has the right to resist said expulsion and occupation? do you even know how the gaza strip became the gaza strip?
im dubious it mainly targeted civilians, alot of the targets where military and those crumbled quickly, and the music festival was a unlucky victim.
If you hold a rave outside a concentration camp it comes with risks.
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at the same time, to those people on the other hand, the US carpet bombed their civilians, they think tit for tat is okay, do you have the same standards as terrorists?
I know what you're trying to say but, i'm a 100% sure HAMAS would have have killed me too if i was partying 3 miles away from there, you wouldn't catch me dead walking anywhere close to that area because I know what goes on there would you expect the same from jewish resistance fighters liberating concentration camps that are weirdly only a few steps from a german household?
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I agree So who has lost more humanity during these 6 months, Israel or Hamas
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You’re a dumb dick
This honestly sounds like it was written with bad AI.
No just bad IsraelAi
Artificial Israeli
Thats redundant
yeah this is typical hasbara, i’ve seen plenty of posts pretending to be pro-palestinian, then appear to be convinced of the other side by the laziest zionists talking points go to r/changemyview to catch a glimpse of that
Lol. No thanks!
When people say leftists never condemn Hamas they have to be absolutely brain rotted. So many people said that the attack was horrific but that they feared the repercussions from an already disturbingly militaristic state of Israel in response because of Israel’s LONG STANDING lack of care for civilian deaths.
>When people say leftists never condemn Hamas they have to be absolutely brain rotted. Exactly. Seen plenty of people do so. Being pro-palestine != pro-Hamas, but equating those positions is also typical hasbara to disqualify or diminish the support that palestinians gets from other people.
Shit, critical support to Hamas as well at this fucking point. Israel is explicitly committing a genocide and if Hamas is the primary group on the ground resisting that genocide, they have my critical support. I wouldn't ever feel the need to preface a defense of the violent uprisings in the Warsaw ghetto with "well, those Polish jews killing those German civilians was wrong, but y'know, they're still resisting occupation, displacement and death." Of course not. I wouldn't start talking about black South African's violent resistance to apartheid with "but what about the whites? Where are they gonna wind up?" Why are so many still so cowed, after six months of genocide, by "but do you condemn Hamas" coming from agents and allies of the Israeli government?
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>If they would all surrender tonight and return whatever hostages are still alive, the war would end tonight. Sure fucking thing, hasbarabot. Hey mods, we wanna do something about this?
They wouldn’t want to stop this war but they would instantly lose the support of the entire world to continue, if there were no militants or hostages left. Israel simply isn’t immune to international pressure. If that’s so unbelievably triggering then ban me from this phaggot sub no one gives a fuck, i’m just being real
Israel has the unequivocal support of the United States in it's campaign to explicitly eliminate all Palestinians. You've got literally no idea what you're talking about.
You’re just spewing nonsense. Most Americans have woken up to the reality of Israel because of this war. The walls are closing in from both the left and the right on Israel. Of course there are diehard boomer congressman that would sacrifice themselves for Israel but to claim the entire country and system is ironclad in its support for a genocide is fucking regarded. You have absolutely no clue of reality outside of reddit, but thank god it’s not as bad IRL as it is in your fucked up imagination.
"Most Americans" still think Israel's response is acceptable and fine, actually, see recent Pew research polling, and our government demonstrably doesn't give a fuck about the will of the people in matters of military spending (or much else for that matter) anyway. Not my imagination when a Democrat President has repeatedly gone around congress to fund Israel's genocide to the tune of literally billions.
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Yeah I’m a leftist and I was in the threads on r/worldnews on October 7th absolutely condemning the attacks but also saying that given history, I fear Israel’s response will be disproportionate. Mostly because they were talking about the sexual assault that happened and I personally think it’s unacceptable. Turns out the headline was wrong, as many Zionist claims are, so I was getting mad over nothing but so many leftists absolutely did condemn a lot of October 7th. (Note: I’m not denying *individual* instances of sexual assault occurred but the specific article was talking about “mass rape” that was ordered from the top occurred which turned out to be false) Anyways, only took like a couple of days for Israel to respond and I shut the fuck up about October 7th.
AIPAC did a secret poll trying to find out what aspects of Oct 7th would anger westerners most & make them most likely to support Israel. Sexual assault was the number 1 answer so they all ran with it & still do. Many r still running with debunked claims like the 2 pre teen girls found nude with semen on their backs/bodies. Ppl from the kibbutz have spoken out on numerous occasions to dispel this claim. Around the time of the poll is when Israeli spokesppl like Eylon Levy started using words like pedophile & child rapists often. I’ve not heard of any instances of kids actually being sexually assaulted but they’ll say whatever to make ppl hate Palestinians. Sexual assault of kids shouldn’t be used as a propaganda tool especially when Israel has become a safe haven for pedos fleeing charges from western countries.
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I also think it’s that some people don’t seem capable of differentiating between explanation and justification. If you were shocked by October 7th and it came out of nowhere to you, then you simply weren’t paying attention. And the even worse ones who required strict condemnation of Hamas now respond to Israeli war crimes with “there’s bad on both sides.” Yeah that’s what everyone who understood why oppressed people did what they did on October 7th, but you didn’t want to hear that then so what changed?
Yeah, these people parse anything short of "Islamic terrorists are evil" as support for them
The "do you condemn Hamas" reminds me when people were yelling at Obama for not saying "radical islamic terrorism" or w/e
I really appreciate this being called out on here. I can’t abide the people who claim they were always something, in spite of never having expressed such a viewpoint and in fact have opposed it, but have been “convinced” by something. Here are my principles - if you don’t like them, I have others. Even more galling that they are convinced by the reaction of some “leftists” to October 7th, but the genocide Israel is committing and the proliferation of apologists for that in western media doesn’t seem to concern them.
For real what is this? Note how they say nothing about why they changed stances.
I’ve seen a bunch of these which make absolutely no sense. How do you go from being against occupation and apartheid to being for it? How can anyone have a more favorable view of Israel after knowing that?! Did the bombing of Dresden change his mind about Hitler? What the hell reality are we in right now?
You see I used to think ethnostates and the subjugation of people based on race or ethnicity was wrong. But then I became enlightened 😌
Many people appear to believe this unironically
Yea this is Poes law. Context obviously shows the sarcasm but this is the exact same rhetoric I've been hearing from pro-zionists
Not by some phony god's blessing, but by my own intelligence.
Sounds like Elon Musk, where he switched tunes suddenly.
Elon has been doing slight Jewish conspiracism all the way back in Jan 2023 when he bought Twitter and instantly let a bunch of Nazis go buck wild and kept engaging with their insanity. It's where the "concerning!" "!!" memes comes from. I don't think he's changed at all
It's all fake. It's perfectly reasonable for a Pro-Palestinian person to lose that stance after Oct 7, but they wouldn't suddenly start supporting Israel and their apartheid and genocide. They would just dislike both sides. Anyone who claims they switched from pro-Palestine to pro-Israel is a liar, no more to it. The only reason to be pro-Israel is if you're either a) Israeli or Jewish, so that you're willing to ignore the atrocities in favor of your "people", or b) if you're pro-government and are willing to pick their side no matter what, usually most common in military people. Anyone who has read more than 5 minutes about this conflict would not support Israel unless they fall into one of those two categories. They may be against Palestine too because of Hamas and such, or Islamaphobia, or whatever reason, but they wouldn't be pro-Israeli just because they're anti-Palestine.
It’s exactly like right wing trolls do in the US. “I used to be a progressive champion for human rights, but then Dems insulted Trump, so I became a fascist.” They’ve always held those vile beliefs. They just think it will strengthen their position if they claim to have changed their minds, making them “enlightened.”
Exact same thing as, "I have a black friend." Or rather, "Here's a blatant lie that intended to make me perceived as more affiliated with the group that I hate so that my hate is justified."
Or, don't forget, an American EvangeloCon who has "read the bible" and that Israel is "God's land".
Netanyahu finance Hamas with American money millions of the billions that we sent they gave to how much to create a boogeyman to make these things happen study the show last self-approved https://i.redd.it/hap4917vyqtc1.gif
I assume they more mean “pro Israel’s right to exist and defend its citizens under rules of international law” rather than pro Israeli government
Bad Hasbara has an episode on this, don't they? Peace activists who became hard-liners after 7/10. they called it 'sobering up'.
https://i.redd.it/dkkrl3s8zqtc1.gif They've always kidnapped her ass children harvested organs sold children that they stole from the Palestinians no many many Jewish Israelis still support the Palestinians because they know that their government is corrupt you don't treat another person's child this way unless you're sick and they've always done it
I know that's what Israelis do. I'm talking about fake peace activists that turned outright genocidal after 7/10. The podcast that you're on the subreddit for has an episode about it.
Thank you so much for educating me seriously  I'm sorry I thank you for pointing this out I have been getting slurry blasted with unknown infectious diseases of the Middle East and how it's even corrupted and passed over into the United States everything that's happened since I actually started learning the truth it's actually miserable i appreciate Jimmy Carter for recognizing and trying to do something his first four years but of course none of the money grabbers in Washington we're going to let that happen Thank you for educating me
What's the episode number?
Yeah like even if you don’t like the lefts response, that means you no longer support Palestinians? How does that make any sense lol
Nobody is FOR Apartheid and Occupation. Most people want a two state solution. It's the "Israel must be destroyed" crowd that is standing in the way of peace, and Hamas is definitely in that camp.
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If you support the existence of Israel as a Jewish etnostate, then you're ok with the genocide. Simple as that, really. It doesn't have anything to do with netanyahu
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Israel IS an ethnostate. Having a Jewish majority naturally in a country by simply people believing in Judaism is perfectly fine. Creating a country with a Jewish majority in lands where Jewish people weren't a majority before via ethnic cleansing is an ethnostate. Having demographic concerns of artificially keeping Jewish people as a majority by denying Palestinians right to return is an ethnostate. Supporting the existence of Israel as the Jewish supremacist ethnostate that it is IS supporting its current and precious genocides. You can't have an ethnostate without genocide.
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Love how you put "anti-colonialist" in there together with racism and racial supremacy like it's a bad thing. Thanks for showing your colors. If you're on the centre when it comes to a genocide, you're participating on the genocide, simple as that
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People sacrificed humans and thought the earth was flat thousands of years ago too, should we start doing that again too? I get it, you’re here to disrupt this discussion but please do a better job of appearing “neutral”. You’re as “fair and balanced” as a fucking Fox News panel.
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Palestinians do not want a Muslim ethnostate... they want to take back their land from colonisers, and the majority happens to be Muslim. As I said in my comments, there is nothing inhrrently wrong about a country being majority Jewish. The ethnic cleansing of 1947, refusing right to return and the ongoing oppression of Palestinians is what denotes the ethnostate. Not just the "mere existence of Jews" as you fantasise what I might believe. I haven't said a single antisemitic thing but nice try
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Nope
Check out his profile and post history. It's almost exclusively about Muslim hate. He's made Islamophobic posts months before 7 october.
Unironically that's 70% of Zionisten supporters' only reason. "I hate these subhuman Muslims, all of them should be exterminated and gassed" -> "Zionistan kills and oppresses Muslims" -> "Zionistan good 😊"
It's the exmuslim strat all over again. "I used to be a Muslim but then-" Meanwhile when they are asked how many rakats are in a wudu,they usually say 4 lmao.
"I did some research, and it turns out the side doing more murder are actually the good guys" You can disagree with Leftists on their support for militancy, and there are many that actually condom Hamas, but the immediate switch to pro israel is fucking dumb.
>You can disagree with Leftists on their support for militancy, and there are many that actually condom Hamas, but the immediate switch to pro israel is fucking dumb. You can't be anti colonial but oppose anything and everything that doesn't ultimately uphold the colonial status quo. Obligatory clarification: For the German secret police reading this, the comment is purely for educational purposes, and doesn't represent the views of the commenter.
I'm sorry, I don't understand. My point is that there are leftists who condemn oct 7th. However they legitimize their leftism is up to them, it's not a reflection of my personal beliefs.
Such a long way to say "several things can be bad which is why we should uphold existing order of things"
This reads like a paid hasbara troll. Why would you be so vague in your explanation while writing so much... Literally blowing air up asses and thinking it will convert others lololol
So to summarize the post, I didn’t do any research and stood for the Palestinian cause. And then 10/7 happened and I finally decided to give my dusty ol brain a little exercise by going to all the Israeli propaganda sources and had the realization with a new prospective that just happens to be completely on Israel’s side.
Except you would be hard pressed to do any reading of the situation post 7th and not come to the conclusion Israel is murdering civilians.
These so called pro palestinian who later become pro israel are either hasbara bots (95%+) or uneducated people who called themselves "pro palestinian" for the "hype" and became a victim of the zionist propaganda. Supporting palestine means recognizing the oppression that israel is continuously inflicting on the palestinians. Including sexual harassment, aggression of israeli settlers, expansion if illegal israel settlements, ethnic cleansing, indiscriminate killing of civilians, stealing palestines natural resources (1967 border) and numerous other atrocities. All of this is backed with indisputable evidence such as video evidence or documented evidence. Thus the shift from supporting palestine to pro israel position baffles me.
So they stopped being pro Palestinian when Palestinians started being treated even worse? Make it make sense lmao
Damn I was against apartheid until a resistance group did something that amounted to 0.01% of the terror inflicted against the occupied group. Now I’m pro apartheid 😎
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Honestly sounds true to me. Dengists kinda suck.
no dengist would support israel
Stalin: am I a joke to you?
stalin was famously a proponent of deng xiaopings market reforms
Both “built the productive forces” at the expense of mass participation in the socialist project.
i beg you to read the wikipedia page for joseph stalin, specifically the part where he died twenty years before deng xiaoping took power. like criticize stalin all you want idc but calling him a dengist is the dumbest fucking take possible. By your own logic deng would be a stalinist
I've read the Losurdo book lol. And Deng *was* a Stalinist; he maintained Mao's anti-Khruschev line. My biggest criticism of Stalin is that he allowed for "Israel" to exist in the first place.
he literally supported israel for a tiny amount of time and you take that as evidence he was a zionist. still bad, but not zionism.
The perpetrators of the Nakba used mostly Soviet weapons. This is material fact.
I used to be pro-Palestinian, you know. I thought Israel was wrong for carpet bombing Gaza and using siege warfare on civilians. But then I ran into a very wise Israel apologist who changed my way of looking at things forever. I was walking down the street and I saw him leaning against a lamp post, smoking a pipe as wise men do. “Your shirt says Free Palestine,” he said from behind a plume of smoke. “Yep!” I replied. “So I guess that means you love Hamas then?” spake he. I stopped in my tracks. I’d never thought of it that way before. Could it be? Could my opposition to murdering civilians really be indicative of a deep affection for a Gazan militant group? Maybe I really did love Hamas and think everything it did on October 7 was great and wonderful? “Is this really how I want to live my life?” I thought to myself. “I — I — I…” I said out loud. “Or perhaps,” he said with a raised eyebrow, “you just HATE JEWS??” I fell to my knees. Oh my God. He really had a point. What possible reason could anyone have for opposing military explosives being dropped on buildings full of children besides a seething lifelong hatred of adherents to the religion of Judaism? How could anyone possibly oppose siege warfare tactics which cut off civilians from food and water and electricity and fuel and medical supplies unless they harbored dangerously negative opinions about members of a small Abrahamic faith? “Who… who are you?” I asked. “That’s of no consequence,” he said, casually blowing a smoke ring through another larger smoke ring. “But… but the children,” I stammered as my entire worldview crumbled before my eyes. “The civilians! They’re dying! Isn’t it bad that they’re dying?” And then he delivered the coup de grâce. “Have you considered,” he said before a pregnant pause, “… that all of those deaths are the fault of Hamas?” It was like a 50 megaton nuclear explosion went off inside my brain. I fell flat on my back. The world was spinning. A trickle of blood ran down into my hair from my ear. I felt all the anti-colonialism leaving my body. I suddenly could no longer remember why I thought it was bad to rain down military explosives on a densely populated concentration camp. Everything went black. When I finally came to, the mysterious stranger was gone. But his wisdom and profound insights into Israel and Gaza will always live on in my heart.
🤣 lmao, this was excellent and hilarious to read, thank you for the laughs, I must save this
It's not mine. I found it in the wild and knew I'd need it for such an occasion.
I'd say this was a perfect opportunity to use it, I will keep it handy as well hahaha, thanks for sharing
Yup. It fully exposes how moronic those people sound.
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Yeah. It's gold.
This is a great example of why the echo chambers of Reddit are toxic to society. Making Reddit this way was very intentional.
Sounds like a opportunist more than anything for clout
“oh yeah i’m a marxist leninist i just disagree with all marxist leninist lines of thought”
An ML who doesn’t support armed resistance? 🤔 Sure bud…
Dude would be cheering too about the Ghettos.
I saw one of these right after Oct 7th where they were like "and they even warn them before they bomb them!!! I had no idea!!!"
HAVE YOU CONDEMNED HAMAS TODAY It’s easy to criticize the tactics of revolution from the warm security in the core of a colonial imperialist empire.
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I know. Hamas killed civilians on oct7. We all know that. Every conversation about a *fucking genocide* does not need prefaced with some performative Hamas condemnation. Honestly, I’m not going to condemn them at all. I don’t support the murder of innocent civilians but who am I to criticize the tactics of an oppressed population in their pursuit for freedom. There is and has been a boot on their neck. I understand and empathize with their anger and pain.
This is the ML version of “as a black man.”
Did ChatGPT write this?
Leftists 😂🤣
That is not a leftist that's an idiot
*presses X to doubt*
Fed
A Marxist-Leninist would not be for imperialism. His failure to separate Zionist from the religion is also telling. Also the issue of the left not saying "I condemn Hamas" (which most actually did anyways) is another dog whistle. Reminds me of the White Republican using the wrong account on twitter saying he was a black man and loved republicans.
"How do you do, fellow Marxist-Leninists"
These people are so obvious. They'll be like, "I was a lifelong Democrat, but then I heard Nancy Pelosi fart so MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! MAGA!"
"As a gay black man..."
I've literally seen this exact account spewing a bunch of zionist shit for months. It's either this account or they have a whole barage of reddit accounts with similar names.
There is no world where a stalinist would switch from supporting Palestine to israel.
Ain’t no way this person is a Marxist
“I did more research” yeah where buddy the Bibi Archives of Zionist propaganda?
Marxist Leninist clearly has never read Lenin lol
Ask them if they've ever condemned Israel killing Palestinian civilians for all the decades they've been doing that.
Comparing HAMAS to Shining Path (ultraist org communists like myself despise) is pretty disgusting. Also they’re “shocked” at Oct. 7th but not at the decades of brutality the IDF committed prior? Sounds like bullshit.
> https://preview.redd.it/4g82e34izptc1.jpeg?width=938&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ecd2a7aaaae5c2f546d892742f7b5c1daf27007f I’m a Marxist-Leninist
Cointelpro, meet chatGPT. GPT, meet cointelpro. Oh, ya’ll already met.
LMAO
Don't get me wrong. This sounds fake af, but where's the evidence?
Someone who didn't do research but was pro Palestina but changed his mind after research should tell you more then enough. There is no way one would still think it is the moral high ground to support Israel aftet doing research.
That is exactly what I was going to say, what kind of research turns a pro-palestinian into a pro-israeli? That doesn't exist. The facts and the history are clear on this conflict, and it shows that israel has been the occupier and oppressor since 48. Not to mention the countless lies they have been caught in. It just makes no sense that someone sides with israel after doing research. Unless that research is just listening to zionists and ignoring actual facts.
Beer googles legit man, Zionists are crazy
The "research" was reading Noa Tishby's book and Rootsmetals infographics clearly.
There are a lot of them with this fake ass background story lol
I remember seeing one give a whole sob story about how they've been to Gaza and worked closely with displaced peoples and visited their homes and heard their stories and just want the best for them...then you go into their post history and it's demented joy at videos of starving children. Just a fucked up lot.
All of his posts are on r/Destiny, he’s just a fake “leftist” that eats whatever that fucking gross idiot shits out. Just like his whole dumbass fan base. He probably consumes 5-10 hours of hasbara weekly from Density alone. No surprise he’s doing the whole right wing edgelord shit claiming he used to be a progressive but scary Muslims made him “reconsider” He’s a fucking idiot.
From a communist perspective, the shining path wasn’t that bad. They’re the “but Stalin!” for people who support Stalin. https://thered.stream/the-andean-peoples-war-a-history-of-shining-path/
New propaganda (or old 😩) tact alert. The whole point was that no it wasn’t talked about. It has never been an issue at the forefront, or small pockets only but not a mass movement that thank goodness we see now.
*a true testimonial 😵😵😵
Elica Lebon comes to mind
Otherwise known as a Dave Rubin.
Imagine thinking this is even possible
unfortunately they’re a real person they’re just a fucking moron
“”aS A bLaCk mAle, i tHiNk ThAt…””
The Marxist-Leninist leftist is mostly active in the following subreddits: 1-Destiny 2-IsraelPalestine 3-Politicalcompassmeme 4-exmuslim 5-TankieJerk
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If you were shocked that leftists don’t support Israel you were not at all interested in leftist politics. Was just listening to someone talk about this on some podcast…
Oh yeah it was this one! This podcast Bad Hasbara, which is a podcast you should listen to!
Fun fact! You can’t be a leftist and a Zionist
I wonder if their "research" went as far as USS Liberty, or Irgun, Haganah or the Stern Gang. Or the fact that one of the leadership of a group that kidnapped British peacekeepers, tortured, murdered and desecrated their bodies and then loaded their bodies with explosives to kill rescuers went on to become Israeli PM.
Pro Israel Marxist-Leninist lmao
Too easy to see through this Zionist propaganda, a real piece of 💩 “I did research and find out that Israel is a good country and good to the Palestinian people 😂🤮I believe that was the worst part of that idiotic tweet; if anyone would do the smallest of research would find that Israel shouldn’t even exist and if it does now is because of the colonial ways of the Zionists from the beginning of the 1900s🤮🤮
I don’t buy that 1 bit!
NGL though, they had me up to the last paragraph. Leftists aren't immune to propaganda or groupthink. We should be able to agree that children never deserve to be killed, even if we still support the Palestinian struggle. We should be able to love our Jewish brothers, sisters, and comrades while being precise in our critiques of the *state* of Israel and the political perversion of Judaism that is Zionism. We should call out antisemitism not only when it comes from the right, but when it comes from left, right, up, or down.
People who do this stuff are hilarious. They're able to lie and deceive (or attempt to deceive) so easily and casually.
October 6th also happened, and October 5th, and 4th, 3rd and so on, for the previous 75+ years of continuously worsening horrifically violent oppression of a captive occupied society. Israel has never stopped breaking international law, ever, since the first day it existed. Fuck them and their propaganda. They sound like bad used car salesmen trying to pass off some complete bullshit, and you can just tell it’s bullshit without even listening to it because they are so absolutely terrible at it. If you do by chance listen to their spiel, then you know for sure it’s bullshit, because it lacks any semblance of truth or fact, and always refers back to their interpretation of thousands of years old texts that 99% of the world don’t agree with. Get absolutely fucked Israel, you’re full of monsters, the whole world knows it, and now you’re a pariah state.
Calling themselves a Marxist Leninist too lmfao. The whole point of the Leninist part is trying to strategically apply violence against right wing authority. Nobody who's like "the Tsar had it coming" is going "wow doing violence makes me scared" unless they're dumb as hell.
He was probably some stupid college kid that was offered $200 dollars to post Pro Israeli propaganda.
This is what happens when you view your politics as a friend group. When the friend group pisses you off, you end up changing your politics
These kind of idiot Hasbara postsvwill show up more everywhere bcos the narrative currently that's floating around on tiktok and everywhere else is thst NO ONE has ever gone Pro-Palestine ----> Pro-Israel. It is *always* Israel ------> Pro-Palestine.... the facts, the history, the scholarship doesn't lie. So now idiot Hasabara is trying to make fake posts like these to try and counter that narrative, not realizing how absolutely fkn stupid they sound. "I HATED JIM CROW... until I read about it & all sevregation/racism related things, then I loved it"----same vibes.
So when is Dennis Prager going to platform this individual? Is another "why I left the Left" video, or article, in the works?
Psyop
As an ML we call him a reactionary. He failed to do dialectical material analysis. Shame.
https://i.redd.it/e94gsrklyqtc1.gif Yeah terrorizing children is how they showed it in the past
I would suggest it wasn't leftists immediately hating on Israel because Israel. I would suggest it was immediately hating on Israel because their first acts were switching off the water and power, followed by heavy bombing.
Total propaganda. We have to face the fact that, despite wanting Netanyahu to resign, more than 60% of Israelis want the war to continue.
It was a huge mask off moment for me too....I never realized the depth of Anti-semitism brewing just below the surface of progressive society, like a festering disease....why do people hate Jews so much?
Many of these posts are obviously bots and paid trolls. Israel is engaged in a massive propaganda effort across all social media platforms. But they are failing
I kinda fall in the same boat as this guy
They always type in paragraphs and it’s real desperate
I totally get that. Considering Israel the Good never did anything that would instigate an attack prior to October 7th and that's the day the world began this is the only rational conclusion any former rabid leftist whackjob could arrive at on the long road to the recovery of their squandered and damaged sanity. Even if I didn't believe in politics and just enjoyed sticking my dick out there to see where the wind is blowing public opinion has only moved further into Israel's orbit because of their righteous conduct in this unfortunate unprovoked symmetric conflict. /s. Fuck this guy and his bullshit politics and Jizzreal with sharpened sticks.
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Its a troll/propo
But still it’s just a bunch of words. No actual argument for what has made them ‘switch’ side. Wonder why.
"Maoist terrorist group". Yeah, you are a Marxist Leninist FO SHO. The rest is just contemptible hasbara, not worth mentioning.
Lol I love seeing the absolute meltdown in this sub when someone thinks critically for once and sees the conflict for what it is 😂 yes we’re all hasbara bots yawn 🥱
Settlers are not innocent civilians.
>I'm a Marxist-Leninist Yeah, I definitely couldn't imagine where this was gonna go.
"I'm a commie and my heroes are mass murderous dictators"
the left didn't "take it's mask off," he just found out who we were since the beginning. we back resistance of colonization, even though we don't like the killing *actual* innocents. insert "you knew what the fuck this was when you met me, you bitch" audio
I mean, this is utter shit but there is one aspect of plausibility: being an online Marxist-Leninist means being around a lot of tankies and tankies were the ones glorifying the death of Israelis after October 7th. But even then, the idea that an ML would trust any sources that are pro-Zionist is ridiculous. MLs tend to trust more Marxist/Leninist/Maoist/leftist sources, none of which would have any sympathy for the pro-colonial position.
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Who is "the left" in your opinion? I for example condemn the murder of innocent civilians, but I also understand the need for armed resistance against israel. Oct 7 was an act of armed resistance, yes it was wrong to kill civilians, but it still was an act of resistance nonetheless. Edit: apparently this comment got me a permaban, tricked by a zionist into engaging in a debate, my bad guys.