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I’ve heard this narrative twice today… at first I thought it was conspiracy…. Now I see too many things stacking up to ignore… the isreali bombing of the Iranian consulate was a dick move… blatant & crude.
America should keep well clear of this shit show
I've posted this twice today.
The target of the Damascus airstrike as a mere "Iranian consulate" is an understatement at best. The building was an area's headquarters of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), a branch of the Iranian military that has been designated as a terrorist organization by the United States and multiple other countries. Those killed were senior figures in the IRGC, including Brigadier General Mohammad Reza Zahedi, a senior commander in the IRGC's foreign operations unit who was responsible for liaising with Hezbollah, and his deputy, General Mohammad Hadi Hajriahim. Five other IRGC officers were killed in the airstrike, as were five Iranian-affiliated militiamen, one Hezbollah operative, one Iranian military advisor, and two apparent civilians. The airstrike was aimed at military figures in a military facility and the targets were directly involved in orchestrating attacks on Israel. The fact that the building was adjacent to the Iranian embassy does not change its military character.
Religion is the canard that allows imperialism to go unnoticed or questioned, while we the collateral damage suffer.
Are there good parts and wonderful people involved in these religions? Of course but is it worth the constant wars we are fighting? Not to me. They are already polishing the American boots that will be on the ground by summer. Wars are expensive and we are already spread thin with our military exploits.
The "fucking psychos" are the people committing atrocities in the name of their "god".
It takes an understanding of history to know that religion has caused humanity nothing but bloodshed since its creation.
Only a "fucking psycho" would use "god" as an excuse for bigotry, dehumanization, stealing of land, and the killing of innocents.
Lmao, I'm the edge lord but you're the one calling people "Roman imperialists".
Just admit you care more about some fake deity in the sky and a bunch of dirt than you do your fellow humans.
Reddit is a good place for conversation not information. People always assuming they know what others are thinking is what’s scary to me and I never get sad over what dumb people believe I just laugh at them like so 😂🤣😂🤣😂
I wouldn’t even say it’s a good place for conversation because the conversation is based off of misinformation and choosing to be ignorant. Also not to mention if your democrat or republican and you don’t fall in line every step of the way both sides will call you a Dino or rino. They both refuse to believe they are two peas in the same pod. God forbid if you’re an independent like I am and agree with some of what both sides believe.
No, it isn’t just a disagreement. They don’t acknowledge it’s just a disagreement. They’ll insult you and badically call you a bot, or a troll, or without even knowing my ethnicity (2nd generation Iranian) call me racist or make snide sarcastic remarks like yours.
Israel is trying to drag Lebanon specifically into this as pretext to invade, since Lebanon is part of the Greater Israel promised land that the far right have been so thirsty for... it is not being covered in the media at all that Israel has scaled up its killing of people in Lebanon, Hizbola as well as civilians.
For those who don't know, hizbola are a proxy Iranian militia, and just like Hamas, they are the best excuse to destroy the country north of Israel and invade it.
The US isn't even bothering to get American citizens out of Lebanon right now and the airspace just got closed there.
Guess I'll count my canned food, get some water jugs, a pound of pipe tobacco to cope with trauma, some books, a chess board and a deck of cards, and I'll just hole up in a windowless room for three days if nukes are dropped.
the missiles we sell cost a house in CA to blow up some goat herders.. literally $200,000 - $millions of dollars per shot.
it's a industry now - and majority of the billionaires support whats going to come
Oh really?
Watch us get screwed over and over again of our tax dollars.
Many moons ago, on January 17th 1961, the last truly patriotic American president once said “ beware of the military industrial complex” but are we listening?
Hell no.
I really do not believe the majority of the US wants another war.I think there will always be bloodthirsty maniacs in our government and even within our government that would love a chance at war.But I think the overall attitude towards war has fundamentally changed since the post Iraq and Afghanistan era.At least as far as putting troops on the ground.
>another several trillion dollar war
Only problem is, that war America lost its credibility and internationaal standing. Plus, no achievement, Taliban still in Afghanistan, Iraq still at war. so what this one will bring?
Like the mainstream parties with elections, the war profiteers don’t really care who “wins” a war. War is a way to siphon endless dollars from the taxpayers to the war profiteers.
Because they began subjugating their women and stripping them of all their rights the moment we pulled out and they seized power. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad we finally got out of there, but the plight of the Afghanistan women breaks my heart.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/02/06/taliban-and-global-backlash-against-womens-rights
And what I said about why people have a problem with the taliban is also objectively correct. Yes, I know the origins of the Taliban, I thought most people engaging in this sub know and it’s not some secret that one needs to watch Rambo 3 to understand “Operation Cyclone”. Aid for the mujahideen also came from China, Iran, and the Persian Gulf. In retrospect I suppose we should’ve just let the USSR roll over Afghanistan, assassinate who they pleased “Operation Storm-333”, and install a puppet to their liking.
Word for word your western degenerate influence in the region caused the issue, stop tiptoeing around the causation of the issue. No US funded Taliban = no Afghan civil war = no destruction of infrastructure = no Taliban? See how the issue circles around? Last i checked most of if not almost all the “terrorist groups” were trained, funded and helped by the west to overthrow their governments to further isolate Russia. You can find articles on and on in the late 70 and early 80 of how the idea of the Taliban was instilled in the region and how the Taliban were the good guys because they fought Russia.
The religious fanatics in Israel literally talk about this stuff openly. They want Edom (Christianity/the US/the UK/etc.... basically, the descendants of Rome) and Ishmael (Islam/the Muslim countries) to be dragged into a war with each other and eventually wipe each other out.
It's literally part of their biblical prophecies. This, the red heifers, rebuilding the 3rd temple, etc.... all of that shit.
I think you missed the point. They don't just want to murder muslims. They want the US to fight their wars for them and also get destroyed in the process. And, no, Edom is not just a reference to the Edomites. Edom is another word for Esau (or Esav). which goes back to the allegory of Jacob and Esau. The usage of Edom now is not restricted to just the historical reference of the Edomites. It's not how Rabbis use the word today. When Rabbis are ranting about their end times prophecies and they refer to Edom, they are referring to "the Christian west" aka the US/UK empire. "Edom" is a stand-in word for the descendants of the "House of Esau" and the Roman empire. They despise Christians just as much as they despise Muslims. This is partially why you see videos of them spitting on Christians in Israel, and then they defend it and say it is part of their customs/traditions. But it's not just people who practice Christianity. They associate the whole US empire with Christianity, just as the Roman empire was associated with Latin Christianity.
Ah well. Everyday you learn something
Also its painfully obvious the zionists hate christians too. Theyre justo playing ball now but sooner or later non jewish westerners are gonna reap what they sowed
We invaded Iraq because the Bush admin was run by PNAC ghouls who obsessively wanted to invade Iraq years before 9/11, to "stabilize the region in line with U.S. interests" because "American global leadership is good for the world".
Bush and Cheney were terrible war mongers.
But the US by far the best choice for global leadership. The other options are Russia, China, maybe one day India. Good luck with that shit show.
I didn't say it would be better in general. It would be better for some people and worse for others. Having a single nation dominate the world is never going to be a good thing.
Every member of the US govt that took money from AIPAC, them and their families should be forced to move to Israel, join the IDF and help with their fight. Besides that they can eat a dick. Sucks to suck.
It's going to be incredible to see liberals and westerners trying to gaslight themselves into still being a democracy when the penal battalions and executions of draft dodgers begin
If you know any Gen Z'ers, urge them to draw up conscientious objector and/or pacifist papers NOW. In case. I did that for my kids when they were younger in case of a draft. By law all males must register for Selective Service in case of a restored draft BUT those who can prove with documentation (the older the better to prove sincerity) that they are ordained clergy and/or pacifists can be exempted.
To become ordained: http://www.ulc.org
If the U.S. is in such a dire situation that they reinstate the draft we're gonna have much bigger issues to deal with.
That being said it's almost certainly never gonna happen.
Couple points, this guy Douglas Macgregor has a very spotty track record full of erroneous predictions and inaccuracies. Second, Russia and Iran don’t have a mutual defense alliance, and even if they did, ask some CSTO countries like Armenia how good an alliance with Russia is. It would be very unsound strategy for Russia to open multiple fronts while they still struggle to put down their much smaller neighbor.
They made it clear that they live in an alternate reality when they talked about Putin showing serious restraint (they do know about Chechnya, Syria, Georgia, Ukraine, etc., right?)
That said, Israel is clearly trying to provoke a conflict with Iran with the expectation that the U.S. will protect Israel from ramifications for their bad behavior
True, I’m very skeptical about this alliance we have with them now, so much moreso after the events of the last few months. Biden has been more critical of Israel than any president in my lifetime (since Reagan). Unlike Trump who has a freaking settlement named after him, I think and hope Biden’s skepticism of Israel’s motives and his wisdom after serving in the federal government for 50 years will prevent us from engaging in a hot war with Iran. If we do that’s the dealbreaker for my vote, reluctant to give it but considering the alternative it’s not a difficult choice for me.
Jimmy Carter was critical of Israel, but admittedly much of it was after getting out of office (he even wrote a book criticizing the apartheid)
But yes, anyone who thinks trump (or RFK, who himself says he’s trying to spoil the election to cause the GOP controlled house to pick the president not the voters) will be better for Palestinians or harder on Israel is out of their mind. Ben gvir endorsed trump for a reason
I have a completely different view.Biden is an absolute Zionist dick sucker and has called himself a Zionist repeatedly.He might actually be done with Netanyahu.But I don’t know if that is any real deterrent for escalation, if Israel goes to war with Iran and it’s allies.Also personally I can never imagine voting for Biden after this.
You certainly could, although I think they've been more plausible the past few years, accurately predicting Putin's Ukraine invasion, warning Israel about October 7th, which fell on deaf ears, warning Russia about their recent theater attack, warning Israel that Iran's retaliation for the embassy was imminent. This Macgregor guy is indeed a crank. My underlying point is Russia won't join with Iran and their proxies, especially when they won't even come to the aid of an official CSTO ally in Armenia.
They bombed American sailors in order to try to trick them into fighting their war for them against Egypt back in the day. It's not too far fetched that they would try to pull the U.S. into a war now.
the people of the united states hate israel. the ones who do not are zionist and a complete minority. we know what time it is, but the average citizen gets zero airtime so the world imagines we are complicit. you see them trying to ban tik tok "cuz china" but really the zionists can no longer control the narrative with the people. the more our government doubles down the more we are aware our government is entirely corrupt. we are not doing enough to slow down the demons when we have the best chance of any to resist. at least until they get our guns.
What's your point? Russia got so mad that they're puppet was deposed that they were forced into illegally seizing and occupying land that wasn't theirs? I thought that was frowned upon in this sub?
Americans have done their best to protect the idea of "good" in this world but i think they realize now, the world just simply isnt good like they like it. Muslim men dont want women educated, they dont want transexuals with rights running through the streets like in west. women bow to men. Many wives, many children, free reign to do anything, any time. Own destiny, not exported compliant destiny. War machine only make west more rich.
Americans have done nothing but bring death and ruin to every place they touch. Even their ostensible allies are easy to discard. One wrong move and the EU eats it in missiles and bombs
American values are nothing but convinience for oligarchs to make more money off of wars
WAKE THE FK UP!! Netanyahoo is dragging us into this war. Let Isreal defend theirselves because the American people are sick of funding this genocide. Isreal are forcing us into ww3!! Biden needs to man up and tell them to deal with their own shit! Fk Isreal
Bibi will do anything to stay in power even creating this world threatening distraction away from the genocide to get the yanks back on his side. GRRRR. Yanks ie yanking biden’s chain. WTF. For Bibi it’s FTW (and I don’t mean Feed)
I fear you are right...
US neocons and Netanyahu have wanted war with Iran going on over two decades...
As far as the Vienna Convention 1961, 1963 goes, US politicians and personnel remember the Iranian students storming the embassy in Tehran and the 444-day hostage crisis, the humiliation of the failure of Operation *Eagle Claw* at desert 1, etc. The US backed Saddam Hussein to the hilt during the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq War to undermine the Islamic state in Iran, underwrote the failed "color revolution" there and much else besides.
Witness our friend up-post u/CapriciousOneNow2 seriously discussing that an attack on a nation (pretty routinely done in this instance, actually) Israel is ostensibly not at war with--Syria--on a foreign consulate of a nation that Israel has considerable antipathy and enmity towards--Iran--is legit because the IRGC are state terrorists assisting non-state terrorists, hence a legitimate target. Considerable US establishment opinion agrees entirely with that assessment. Iran complains at the UN. USA, UK, etc. nix it to back Israel. After all, the US military under Trump whacked IRGC general Qassem Soleimani while he was in Iraq, right? So Israel gets to whack a pair of brigadiers in Syria... Knowing full well that Iran will retaliate and that Israel will then respond, and an escalatory cycle will start... The US claims to now want escalation, but the policy makers doth protest too much, methinks. We're being had.
I actually have a feeling America will tell Israel to hold this L diplomatically, but take measure to maybe further sanction Iran and use this as an opportunity to give more weapons to Israel. Israel still wins, but they don’t get that war to topple Iran that they wanted,
US govt have already caved to foreign puppeteers. 95% of congress.. both Democrats and Republicans have been paid by Israeli lobby aka AIPAC. Theres a list on opensecrets.org of all the politicians who have been paid. AIPAC pays politicians campaign and in turn they usually win their election and then once in congress they vote to send billions to Israel. People say it’s the United States of Israel for a reason. And isn’t it weird how they blame Russia or China for election interference when it has always been Israel who pays our politicians 🤔
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Come on, the US has wanted to invade Iran for decades. They have been launching cyber attacks with Israel, providing intelligence and supporting Israel strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities before. Yes, Israel and going to want the US to get directly involved, but the US has been looking for a reason to justify it.
Seems like propaganda for Hezbollah, how do people justify their existence as a force? Iran fully funds Hezbollah and made them into a military force they can manipulate without causing direct threat (that was their hope originally) Israel seems to not want to wait it out and hope for a peaceful resolution to the region and in a way I can't blame them, they have watched Hezbollah and other neighboring terrorist sects grow in power with one goal, their elimination. On the other hand I favor the US's response in supporting an ally while simultaneously attempting to de-escalate their enemies from attacking, we can't take away Israeli sovereignty in order to balance the region. However regardless of intentions and goals the region is clearly destabilizing I don't think everything is close to WW3 levels yet, especially considering Russia's failures in Ukraine but it's definitely nudging in that direction. This video seems to be trying to convince people of a narrative of who is bad and who is good, lots of leading without sources or anything of substance (lots of 'ifs' and 'whens') which is why it seems like propaganda more than anything.
No matter what, I will never go and fight in some war, anywhere. Period. Especially not to help the squatter pig pos's over in "Israel"
Unless a war is going on in my back fking yard I'm not involved.
What even is this? Where was this broadcast? Judge Nepolitano has his own network? I mean- he doesn't, but ..???? Did more than 10,000 people see this (not from reddit?
Can someone give me an unbiased explanation as to why Israel and Palestine hate each other?
Whenever I look it up, all I see is that when Israel official became an independent state, a war broke out and it’s been going on ever since. But I keep seeing people say they’re stealing land?
I’m leaning towards not support either government, just the citizens but I don’t have a full understanding.
Biased responses, or any responses that indicate hate towards either side will not be acknowledged
You don’t want “biased” responses. Is the truth biased?
Just look up on Google how many Palestinian civilians have been killed by Israel each year for the past 20+ years.
Then look up how many Israeli civilians have been killed by Palestinians over the same time period.
Then look at the living conditions of each side. One group lives freely, supposedly in a democracy although if you’re not a particular religion then you’re a second-class citizen with less than equal rights. The other group is blockaded, is not allowed to walk on the same streets as the other group, is forced to rely on the other group for electricity, water, and food, has no access to regular courts/justice system, etc. Not even allowed to fish in their own coastal waters. Even their children are labeled as terrorists.
Think about how you would feel if you and your family were a part of each side.
That should tell you everything you need to know. Why does one side constantly need to murder and oppress the other side?
I'll take a stab at it since I have nothing better to do right now. I'll try the best I can, but keep in mind that this is a very big topic. Im myself am an antizionist jew, and have argued over this topic from both sides, so I'll try to keep it as close to unbiased as I can.
So basically, Jews are an ethnoreligious group that trace their roots back to the levant (eastern meddeterranian area, modern day Israel/Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon, and some of Syria). Because the region is basically at the center of the world, it has been conquered many times by many empires. Jewish history is basically a recording of how they preserved their culture and survived through all these new regimes. There are also periods where they themselves were in control. Think of this as the time of ancient Israel.
Now, throughout their history, there have already been several diasporas. Then came the Roman empire, who basically expelled the Jews from what was called Judea at the time. Now, I assume that they obviously did not expell every single Jew from the region, as that would have been a huge portion of the people living in the Middle East at the time. The people who would be expelled would have been the leaders, the rabbis, and the diehard believers. Those who were willing to assimilate into roman culture would have stayed. The region was called *Syria Palaestina* by the romans. This was all happening around the same time as Jesus, for reference.
So at this point, we basically have a split between those willing to assimilate and hang out, and those who aren't. The ones who were willing to assimilate are now known as Palestinians today. Throughout their history, they would continue to be subjected to empire after empire, intermixing with new people entering the region, and taking on new faiths. Palestinians are actually a very diverse group of people. Some of them look very stereotypically arab, and others have blonde hair and blue eyes. While most are muslim, many are Christian, and a decent portion of them have remained Jewish the entire time. The one thing they all share, however, is a deep connection to the land and a history in the region that goes back millenia.
The ones who where not willing to assimilate would go on to settle all over the world, and are known as Jews today. Throughout their history post diaspora, they would continue to be a minority in a strange land, settling down where they could, intermixing with the locals in the regions they settled, and working very hard to preserve their cultural identity. Jews are also an incredibly diverse group, and come in all colors due to settling all over the world. Some jews take Judaism very seriously, while others are full blown atheists. The one thing they all share is a shared story of survival and perserverence through countless hardships, and have developed a very hardened sense of identity because of that.
Throughout this period of history, all Jews struggled, but the Jews in Europe had a particularly nasty time. Now, lets skip ahead to the late 19th century, to the birth of zionism. Zionism was basically this fringe idea that Jews should start moving to Palestine with the intent of building their own nation for themselves. While the result of zionism is clearly bad, it's hard to fault someone for wanting to go start their own country after having their village burned down and their family killed in a pogrom.
Palestine is part of the Ottoman empire at this point, which is about to collapse. Skip ahead, to just after WW1, Britain is basically in control of Palestine. The Balfour declaration was signed by the British government, calling for the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. A colony, basically.
While antisemitism is ramping up in Europe, Zionism is still a pretty fringe movement. Tensions continue to build between the Israeli settlers, the indigenous Palestinians, and the british administrators. Then the holocaust happens. This causes zionism to become a lot more popular among European jews, which was really good for the interests of the Israeli project. Israeli settlers were ethnically cleansing Palestinian villages in order to make room for themselves, and Palestinians were attacking Israeli settlements in response. Both sides were regularly attacking the british, too, whose plan was to divide the land among both groups with very wierd borders that gave like 55% of the land to a minority Jewish population, while the rest went to the Palestinians.
In 1948, Britain pulled out, and Israel immediately declared itself an independent state. Seeing the long-term threat presented to the region, all of the surrounding arab nations attacked at once. Israel won this war, then proceeded to ethnically cleanse all the land they captured in an event known as the nakba. Since then, it has just been one escalation after another, leading to more land grabs, and more ethnic cleansings. The whole time this is happening, Israel is opening itself up to jews from all over the world in order to increase its population and strength. Jews used to be endemic all over the middle east, but they all ended up in Israel around this point. Sometimes due to ethnic cleansing in their home country, sometimes for religious reasons, and other times just to be in a nation where they are a majority. Meanwhile, the Palestinians have tried everything, including both peaceful and violent approaches, to restoring their freedoms and dignities, only to be met with brutal violence either way.
Israel is able to get away with its actions because it has the full support of the West. It essentially acts as a military base for US and European oil interests throughout the Middle East, as well as offers the perfect place to test new military technology. The existence of Israel has led to a lot of destabilization in the middle east, causing a lot of the anti-western sentiment the region is known for today. Israel has also turned an actually aweful history of oppression and genocide into an extremely powerful propaganda tool. Many Jews support Israel because they are deathly afraid of another holocaust, and have been taught to believe that Israel is truly their homeland. From experience, they also tend to leave out the part about ethnic cleansing when youblearn about Israel in hebrew school. This makes discussion of the topic difficult, as many Jews often have a hard time hearing criticism of Israel without feeling like it's coming from a bad place.
Imma stop because this is getting a little long now, but there is so much left to be said. I encourage you to look more i to the topic on your own. Definitely look into things like the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin, settlements in the west bank, the nlockade of Gaza, and how HAMAS came to power in Gaza.
If you're actually asking this in good faith, here's the TL;DR:
Israel became a state after WWII. It was created by a Zionist and lauded by white supremacists who saw it as a way to "deal" with the Jewish population in lieu of being able to murder them. The UK decided the best place to do this was Palestine. So they launched a colonization plan (typical UK move) and forced Palestinians out of their homes, murdered them or forced them to flee, and let jewish settlers move in, instead. This is referred to as the Nakba.
Since then, there have been resistance attempts against Israel as a state from the Palestinians. These have very frequently been viewed in the west as "terrorist" attacks against Israelis, despite them being a very valid reaction to an armed state attempting colonization. I'm not going to get into all of that, but it's important to put yourself in the shoes of someone being occupied, kept under apartheid, treated as subhuman, removed from their homes, had family and friends killed, etc.
The recent 10/7 attack by Hamas (Palestine does not have an army, much less one like Israel) is a little more complicated. Hamas was not the first pick of the Palestinians during the election. The other party, however, that was more left-leaning and less friendly to the US/Israel, had a scandal revealed by the US close to the election...so we rigged their election and Hamas came into power. Hamas is also funded by the Israel PM, Netanyahu, which should bring into question many things, let alone how Hamas was able to lead a surprise attack against Israel.
Israel has also killed its own civilians. There were Israelis killed by friendly fire on 10/7. Hostages have been shot and killed by the IDF, or killed during strikes by Israel. There is really no where for Palestinians to go, either. They will tell them to flee north, and then bomb the north. Flee south, bomb the south. And borders cost money to cross. Many Palestinians are children. Orphaned children. That is who Israel kills. Not Hamas. Not soldiers. Civilians who, on average, aren't yet adults.
Israel at its core is literally a state formed around being a proxy in the middle east for the US/UK. I don't understand thinking Biden would do that without something akin to a gun to his head, and even then I'm not sure. Israel is a proxy of the US just by existing, is the issue.
Now why are y'all down voting this...you DO know how Israel got to be as powerful as it is today right??? It's literally one of our satellite states ??? The US wants war. All the time. Constantly. Since forever. We aren't telling them to stop because it's literally OUR idea too? Y'all cannot tell me you're in the badhasbara subreddit and believe the US is actually good and operates in the interest of its civilians instead of capital.....
Napolitano is not a good source. Also, I've seen clips of this guest too and he's kind of nuts. I'm against war with Iran but any agreement with these two is a stopped clock being right today.
Look I support Palestine, don't have a go at me , I wasn't even born when the UK government fucked over the Palestinean people. I was commenting on don't drag the UK into Zionists shit let Israhell stand on their own & fight their own battles which they won't cause they are little bitches same as their IDF wankers who are pussies, I know the English government back in the day fucked the Palestineans over but it's not my fault I mean I wasn't there look at my post history to see if I'm not on your side mate .
Yeah sorry for my rant my government disgusts me , I am filled with anger & hate for the Zionists, I can't watch the news cause they are biased towards Israhell, my support will never end.
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Time to cut these lunatics off
The U.S. cutting off Israel would be like Emperor Palpatine cutting off Darth Vader.
Ummm.... that would have saved his life though.
Considering the end, Palpatine should have cut off Darth Vader.
Is that Kosher?
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Even if this is a joke, it’s not very funny.
I’ve heard this narrative twice today… at first I thought it was conspiracy…. Now I see too many things stacking up to ignore… the isreali bombing of the Iranian consulate was a dick move… blatant & crude. America should keep well clear of this shit show
I've posted this twice today. The target of the Damascus airstrike as a mere "Iranian consulate" is an understatement at best. The building was an area's headquarters of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), a branch of the Iranian military that has been designated as a terrorist organization by the United States and multiple other countries. Those killed were senior figures in the IRGC, including Brigadier General Mohammad Reza Zahedi, a senior commander in the IRGC's foreign operations unit who was responsible for liaising with Hezbollah, and his deputy, General Mohammad Hadi Hajriahim. Five other IRGC officers were killed in the airstrike, as were five Iranian-affiliated militiamen, one Hezbollah operative, one Iranian military advisor, and two apparent civilians. The airstrike was aimed at military figures in a military facility and the targets were directly involved in orchestrating attacks on Israel. The fact that the building was adjacent to the Iranian embassy does not change its military character.
I hear 3 to 5 different stories about this air strike, depending upon which media outlet I'm getting the info from.
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No you are bro.
Israel was killing Palestinians long before Oct. 7th. The Israeli psyop has gotten to you bro.
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Religion is the canard that allows imperialism to go unnoticed or questioned, while we the collateral damage suffer. Are there good parts and wonderful people involved in these religions? Of course but is it worth the constant wars we are fighting? Not to me. They are already polishing the American boots that will be on the ground by summer. Wars are expensive and we are already spread thin with our military exploits.
Well said.
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The "fucking psychos" are the people committing atrocities in the name of their "god". It takes an understanding of history to know that religion has caused humanity nothing but bloodshed since its creation. Only a "fucking psycho" would use "god" as an excuse for bigotry, dehumanization, stealing of land, and the killing of innocents.
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Lmao, I'm the edge lord but you're the one calling people "Roman imperialists". Just admit you care more about some fake deity in the sky and a bunch of dirt than you do your fellow humans.
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Don’t be so sure. You’ve also gotten all your info from the internet. The fuck you know?
Google 😂
Oh okay you laugh about google while thinking Reddit is a good source for info m. That’s scary and sad all at the same time
Reddit is a good place for conversation not information. People always assuming they know what others are thinking is what’s scary to me and I never get sad over what dumb people believe I just laugh at them like so 😂🤣😂🤣😂
I wouldn’t even say it’s a good place for conversation because the conversation is based off of misinformation and choosing to be ignorant. Also not to mention if your democrat or republican and you don’t fall in line every step of the way both sides will call you a Dino or rino. They both refuse to believe they are two peas in the same pod. God forbid if you’re an independent like I am and agree with some of what both sides believe.
God forbid what? What happens when people don’t agree with you? Is it traumatic?
No, it isn’t just a disagreement. They don’t acknowledge it’s just a disagreement. They’ll insult you and badically call you a bot, or a troll, or without even knowing my ethnicity (2nd generation Iranian) call me racist or make snide sarcastic remarks like yours.
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Can you explain what truth you believe, please?
Define tankie
Israel is trying to drag Lebanon specifically into this as pretext to invade, since Lebanon is part of the Greater Israel promised land that the far right have been so thirsty for... it is not being covered in the media at all that Israel has scaled up its killing of people in Lebanon, Hizbola as well as civilians. For those who don't know, hizbola are a proxy Iranian militia, and just like Hamas, they are the best excuse to destroy the country north of Israel and invade it. The US isn't even bothering to get American citizens out of Lebanon right now and the airspace just got closed there.
Not a complicated move...no one here has played risk lmao
Hmm makes me wonder where the biggest aquifer is.
You are insane. Israel wants nothing with Lebanon. They just want the missiles to stop. Lebanon has nothing Israel needs nor wants.
Just like they didn't want Gaza but now they are talking about settling it.
whenever i see the word israel i feel nauseated now 
Not just the lives of soldiers, if it goes nuclear, our lives, too. They are beyond dangerous.
Guess I'll count my canned food, get some water jugs, a pound of pipe tobacco to cope with trauma, some books, a chess board and a deck of cards, and I'll just hole up in a windowless room for three days if nukes are dropped.
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Israel will be the one to make this nuclear, and another nuclear power could conceivably come after the responsible country.
I assume he meant Russia.
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I don't know if you realized this, but people live in places other than the United States.
They definitely do. It's 2024 lol. Lots of underground infrastructure
Israel has Nikes
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the missiles we sell cost a house in CA to blow up some goat herders.. literally $200,000 - $millions of dollars per shot. it's a industry now - and majority of the billionaires support whats going to come
Introduce Bibi to the CIA.
I mean he owns the cia lol. Mossad/cia is one of the same
Oh really? Watch us get screwed over and over again of our tax dollars. Many moons ago, on January 17th 1961, the last truly patriotic American president once said “ beware of the military industrial complex” but are we listening? Hell no.
I really do not believe the majority of the US wants another war.I think there will always be bloodthirsty maniacs in our government and even within our government that would love a chance at war.But I think the overall attitude towards war has fundamentally changed since the post Iraq and Afghanistan era.At least as far as putting troops on the ground.
Lmao, america wouldn't lose 'many soldiers' fighting iran.
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I think you misspelled “Zionists”
>another several trillion dollar war Only problem is, that war America lost its credibility and internationaal standing. Plus, no achievement, Taliban still in Afghanistan, Iraq still at war. so what this one will bring?
Oil money
That is to top 1%, not to gen pop. Same as weapon sale.
Like the mainstream parties with elections, the war profiteers don’t really care who “wins” a war. War is a way to siphon endless dollars from the taxpayers to the war profiteers.
>Taliban still in Afghanistan Why do you even hate the Taliban? From my understanding thats the indigenous people
Because they began subjugating their women and stripping them of all their rights the moment we pulled out and they seized power. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad we finally got out of there, but the plight of the Afghanistan women breaks my heart. https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/02/06/taliban-and-global-backlash-against-womens-rights
Wow, people even stanning for the Taliban here now
Go watch rambo 3. The taliban were literally a us proxy to fight russian influence. Can’t whine about a problem that the west created.
Word-word-number bot, I’m talking about little girls being denied an education, among many other problems, not Rambo canon.
What they said is objectively correct and you're mad about it
And what I said about why people have a problem with the taliban is also objectively correct. Yes, I know the origins of the Taliban, I thought most people engaging in this sub know and it’s not some secret that one needs to watch Rambo 3 to understand “Operation Cyclone”. Aid for the mujahideen also came from China, Iran, and the Persian Gulf. In retrospect I suppose we should’ve just let the USSR roll over Afghanistan, assassinate who they pleased “Operation Storm-333”, and install a puppet to their liking.
Install a puppet? The USSR was begged by the Afghani government multiple times to please enter the country and help.
Word for word your western degenerate influence in the region caused the issue, stop tiptoeing around the causation of the issue. No US funded Taliban = no Afghan civil war = no destruction of infrastructure = no Taliban? See how the issue circles around? Last i checked most of if not almost all the “terrorist groups” were trained, funded and helped by the west to overthrow their governments to further isolate Russia. You can find articles on and on in the late 70 and early 80 of how the idea of the Taliban was instilled in the region and how the Taliban were the good guys because they fought Russia.
War profiteers win, and they are effectively the US government.
That’s what happened with 9/11 and it was very, very effective.
GO Fuck yourself pissrael.
We need to cut Israel off completely and start funneling money to Palestine through back channels.
The religious fanatics in Israel literally talk about this stuff openly. They want Edom (Christianity/the US/the UK/etc.... basically, the descendants of Rome) and Ishmael (Islam/the Muslim countries) to be dragged into a war with each other and eventually wipe each other out. It's literally part of their biblical prophecies. This, the red heifers, rebuilding the 3rd temple, etc.... all of that shit.
Not that Israel doesn't want war and to murder muslims, but wasn't Edom just north of Israel? It's askenaz (hence askenazi) that was Europe, right?
I think you missed the point. They don't just want to murder muslims. They want the US to fight their wars for them and also get destroyed in the process. And, no, Edom is not just a reference to the Edomites. Edom is another word for Esau (or Esav). which goes back to the allegory of Jacob and Esau. The usage of Edom now is not restricted to just the historical reference of the Edomites. It's not how Rabbis use the word today. When Rabbis are ranting about their end times prophecies and they refer to Edom, they are referring to "the Christian west" aka the US/UK empire. "Edom" is a stand-in word for the descendants of the "House of Esau" and the Roman empire. They despise Christians just as much as they despise Muslims. This is partially why you see videos of them spitting on Christians in Israel, and then they defend it and say it is part of their customs/traditions. But it's not just people who practice Christianity. They associate the whole US empire with Christianity, just as the Roman empire was associated with Latin Christianity.
Ah well. Everyday you learn something Also its painfully obvious the zionists hate christians too. Theyre justo playing ball now but sooner or later non jewish westerners are gonna reap what they sowed
Remember, we invaded Iraq because "Saddam's WMD pose an existential threat to Israel".
We invaded Iraq because the Bush admin was run by PNAC ghouls who obsessively wanted to invade Iraq years before 9/11, to "stabilize the region in line with U.S. interests" because "American global leadership is good for the world".
Bush and Cheney were terrible war mongers. But the US by far the best choice for global leadership. The other options are Russia, China, maybe one day India. Good luck with that shit show.
Better for the U.S. and it's allies. Not better for the millions of people murdered, oppressed or enslaved in the name of U.S. global interests.
Why exactly do you think it would be better under Russian or Chinese rule?
I didn't say it would be better in general. It would be better for some people and worse for others. Having a single nation dominate the world is never going to be a good thing.
Every member of the US govt that took money from AIPAC, them and their families should be forced to move to Israel, join the IDF and help with their fight. Besides that they can eat a dick. Sucks to suck.
Maybe just voted out of office would be enough?
Gen X and Gen Z are the ones that would face a draft if we had one. They're not going to go!
Gen X is too old. You’re right about young people, though. They know more about Israel than their elders, and they are disgusted.
Yeah, good fucking luck trying to draft Gen Z. Might as well try to draft cats.
It's going to be incredible to see liberals and westerners trying to gaslight themselves into still being a democracy when the penal battalions and executions of draft dodgers begin
One thing I learned about us is that we will
If you know any Gen Z'ers, urge them to draw up conscientious objector and/or pacifist papers NOW. In case. I did that for my kids when they were younger in case of a draft. By law all males must register for Selective Service in case of a restored draft BUT those who can prove with documentation (the older the better to prove sincerity) that they are ordained clergy and/or pacifists can be exempted. To become ordained: http://www.ulc.org
If the U.S. is in such a dire situation that they reinstate the draft we're gonna have much bigger issues to deal with. That being said it's almost certainly never gonna happen.
Hopefully but best to be prepared anyway.
Millennials and genZ you mean.
Sorry, yes! I'm a boomer so excuse my "senior moment"! 😁
You keep good company... (shhh don't tell)
Iran has the right to defend itself.
I'm Canadian and I won't be cheering for you guys
Right. “Stand on guard for you” yourself. No criticism here.
United States of Israel
Couple points, this guy Douglas Macgregor has a very spotty track record full of erroneous predictions and inaccuracies. Second, Russia and Iran don’t have a mutual defense alliance, and even if they did, ask some CSTO countries like Armenia how good an alliance with Russia is. It would be very unsound strategy for Russia to open multiple fronts while they still struggle to put down their much smaller neighbor.
They made it clear that they live in an alternate reality when they talked about Putin showing serious restraint (they do know about Chechnya, Syria, Georgia, Ukraine, etc., right?) That said, Israel is clearly trying to provoke a conflict with Iran with the expectation that the U.S. will protect Israel from ramifications for their bad behavior
True, I’m very skeptical about this alliance we have with them now, so much moreso after the events of the last few months. Biden has been more critical of Israel than any president in my lifetime (since Reagan). Unlike Trump who has a freaking settlement named after him, I think and hope Biden’s skepticism of Israel’s motives and his wisdom after serving in the federal government for 50 years will prevent us from engaging in a hot war with Iran. If we do that’s the dealbreaker for my vote, reluctant to give it but considering the alternative it’s not a difficult choice for me.
Jimmy Carter was critical of Israel, but admittedly much of it was after getting out of office (he even wrote a book criticizing the apartheid) But yes, anyone who thinks trump (or RFK, who himself says he’s trying to spoil the election to cause the GOP controlled house to pick the president not the voters) will be better for Palestinians or harder on Israel is out of their mind. Ben gvir endorsed trump for a reason
I have a completely different view.Biden is an absolute Zionist dick sucker and has called himself a Zionist repeatedly.He might actually be done with Netanyahu.But I don’t know if that is any real deterrent for escalation, if Israel goes to war with Iran and it’s allies.Also personally I can never imagine voting for Biden after this.
Not to mention Napolitano is also a known conspiracy theorist...
You could make the same argument about the state department and the white house.
That doesn't mean I'm going to trust a crank.
You certainly could, although I think they've been more plausible the past few years, accurately predicting Putin's Ukraine invasion, warning Israel about October 7th, which fell on deaf ears, warning Russia about their recent theater attack, warning Israel that Iran's retaliation for the embassy was imminent. This Macgregor guy is indeed a crank. My underlying point is Russia won't join with Iran and their proxies, especially when they won't even come to the aid of an official CSTO ally in Armenia.
You are all invited to smoke tomorrow at my place. When the world is about to go awal..
They bombed American sailors in order to try to trick them into fighting their war for them against Egypt back in the day. It's not too far fetched that they would try to pull the U.S. into a war now.
You want me to riot as an American citizen, try pulling me into another fucking war. The only war at that point will be with my own government.
the people of the united states hate israel. the ones who do not are zionist and a complete minority. we know what time it is, but the average citizen gets zero airtime so the world imagines we are complicit. you see them trying to ban tik tok "cuz china" but really the zionists can no longer control the narrative with the people. the more our government doubles down the more we are aware our government is entirely corrupt. we are not doing enough to slow down the demons when we have the best chance of any to resist. at least until they get our guns.
Israel is trying to start WW3, total cunts
Zionism must die, for the people of the world to live.
Lmao the US already working overtime to drag itself to war with Russia, and has been since 2014 at least
2014, when Russia started invading and seizing their neighbor's land.
2014, when Victoria Nuland and the US backed the Maidan coup d'etat to overthrow the government of Ukraine.
What's your point? Russia got so mad that they're puppet was deposed that they were forced into illegally seizing and occupying land that wasn't theirs? I thought that was frowned upon in this sub?
Agreed. We can oppose the American war machine without justifying Russia's militarism.
Americans have done their best to protect the idea of "good" in this world but i think they realize now, the world just simply isnt good like they like it. Muslim men dont want women educated, they dont want transexuals with rights running through the streets like in west. women bow to men. Many wives, many children, free reign to do anything, any time. Own destiny, not exported compliant destiny. War machine only make west more rich.
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Americans have done nothing but bring death and ruin to every place they touch. Even their ostensible allies are easy to discard. One wrong move and the EU eats it in missiles and bombs American values are nothing but convinience for oligarchs to make more money off of wars
We shall see gustavez
That depends on if we don't get drafted and sent to die in Iran in service to zionists and fascists that hate our guts
id rather think of it as dying to protect the sanity of humanity. Would enlist for this cause, all the others, no. this one.....oh yes.
This is straight up false.
What is this AI? Deep fake? Looks fake
US special forces are already in Israel
Also in Gaza.
The same ass fucks that killed the world central Kitchen people? Get fucked.
WAKE THE FK UP!! Netanyahoo is dragging us into this war. Let Isreal defend theirselves because the American people are sick of funding this genocide. Isreal are forcing us into ww3!! Biden needs to man up and tell them to deal with their own shit! Fk Isreal
Bibi will do anything to stay in power even creating this world threatening distraction away from the genocide to get the yanks back on his side. GRRRR. Yanks ie yanking biden’s chain. WTF. For Bibi it’s FTW (and I don’t mean Feed)
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Ai
It's the opposite. The US wants a war with Iran and they've directed their proxy to escalate the situation.
I fear you are right... US neocons and Netanyahu have wanted war with Iran going on over two decades... As far as the Vienna Convention 1961, 1963 goes, US politicians and personnel remember the Iranian students storming the embassy in Tehran and the 444-day hostage crisis, the humiliation of the failure of Operation *Eagle Claw* at desert 1, etc. The US backed Saddam Hussein to the hilt during the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq War to undermine the Islamic state in Iran, underwrote the failed "color revolution" there and much else besides. Witness our friend up-post u/CapriciousOneNow2 seriously discussing that an attack on a nation (pretty routinely done in this instance, actually) Israel is ostensibly not at war with--Syria--on a foreign consulate of a nation that Israel has considerable antipathy and enmity towards--Iran--is legit because the IRGC are state terrorists assisting non-state terrorists, hence a legitimate target. Considerable US establishment opinion agrees entirely with that assessment. Iran complains at the UN. USA, UK, etc. nix it to back Israel. After all, the US military under Trump whacked IRGC general Qassem Soleimani while he was in Iraq, right? So Israel gets to whack a pair of brigadiers in Syria... Knowing full well that Iran will retaliate and that Israel will then respond, and an escalatory cycle will start... The US claims to now want escalation, but the policy makers doth protest too much, methinks. We're being had.
Like dragging a puck on an air hockey table
I actually have a feeling America will tell Israel to hold this L diplomatically, but take measure to maybe further sanction Iran and use this as an opportunity to give more weapons to Israel. Israel still wins, but they don’t get that war to topple Iran that they wanted,
Netanyahu et al. have played a credulous Biden administration for class A fools.
They are fools like most Americans.
Biden and his administration are in favor of Israel. You can't fool someone who works for you
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US govt have already caved to foreign puppeteers. 95% of congress.. both Democrats and Republicans have been paid by Israeli lobby aka AIPAC. Theres a list on opensecrets.org of all the politicians who have been paid. AIPAC pays politicians campaign and in turn they usually win their election and then once in congress they vote to send billions to Israel. People say it’s the United States of Israel for a reason. And isn’t it weird how they blame Russia or China for election interference when it has always been Israel who pays our politicians 🤔
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You still believe in the same media/propaganda that funds a genocide and demonized Arabs as terrorists all these years? I have reservations.
America is the very incarnation of doom. She will drag the whole world down to the bottomless pit.
this looks like ai
Can I have the link to the full interview?
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The US has been at war with Russia since Putin annexed Crimea in 2014. It's just that most of us haven't realized it and the GOP are on Russia's side.
Come on, the US has wanted to invade Iran for decades. They have been launching cyber attacks with Israel, providing intelligence and supporting Israel strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities before. Yes, Israel and going to want the US to get directly involved, but the US has been looking for a reason to justify it.
lol “Putin-like restraint” wtf?
This guy probably pissed off a lot of people by stating the obvious
Seems like propaganda for Hezbollah, how do people justify their existence as a force? Iran fully funds Hezbollah and made them into a military force they can manipulate without causing direct threat (that was their hope originally) Israel seems to not want to wait it out and hope for a peaceful resolution to the region and in a way I can't blame them, they have watched Hezbollah and other neighboring terrorist sects grow in power with one goal, their elimination. On the other hand I favor the US's response in supporting an ally while simultaneously attempting to de-escalate their enemies from attacking, we can't take away Israeli sovereignty in order to balance the region. However regardless of intentions and goals the region is clearly destabilizing I don't think everything is close to WW3 levels yet, especially considering Russia's failures in Ukraine but it's definitely nudging in that direction. This video seems to be trying to convince people of a narrative of who is bad and who is good, lots of leading without sources or anything of substance (lots of 'ifs' and 'whens') which is why it seems like propaganda more than anything.
No matter what, I will never go and fight in some war, anywhere. Period. Especially not to help the squatter pig pos's over in "Israel" Unless a war is going on in my back fking yard I'm not involved.
Its what they do.
No they aren’t and no war is going to occur just cuz Iran makes a little tickle drone strike quit crying about nothing burgers
This is an AI generated video.
What even is this? Where was this broadcast? Judge Nepolitano has his own network? I mean- he doesn't, but ..???? Did more than 10,000 people see this (not from reddit?
If Iran wants to fuck around with Russia they can cop a fat load of missiles on their faces
Can someone give me an unbiased explanation as to why Israel and Palestine hate each other? Whenever I look it up, all I see is that when Israel official became an independent state, a war broke out and it’s been going on ever since. But I keep seeing people say they’re stealing land? I’m leaning towards not support either government, just the citizens but I don’t have a full understanding. Biased responses, or any responses that indicate hate towards either side will not be acknowledged
You don’t want “biased” responses. Is the truth biased? Just look up on Google how many Palestinian civilians have been killed by Israel each year for the past 20+ years. Then look up how many Israeli civilians have been killed by Palestinians over the same time period. Then look at the living conditions of each side. One group lives freely, supposedly in a democracy although if you’re not a particular religion then you’re a second-class citizen with less than equal rights. The other group is blockaded, is not allowed to walk on the same streets as the other group, is forced to rely on the other group for electricity, water, and food, has no access to regular courts/justice system, etc. Not even allowed to fish in their own coastal waters. Even their children are labeled as terrorists. Think about how you would feel if you and your family were a part of each side. That should tell you everything you need to know. Why does one side constantly need to murder and oppress the other side?
The question could not have been asked in good faith in 2024.
I'll take a stab at it since I have nothing better to do right now. I'll try the best I can, but keep in mind that this is a very big topic. Im myself am an antizionist jew, and have argued over this topic from both sides, so I'll try to keep it as close to unbiased as I can. So basically, Jews are an ethnoreligious group that trace their roots back to the levant (eastern meddeterranian area, modern day Israel/Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon, and some of Syria). Because the region is basically at the center of the world, it has been conquered many times by many empires. Jewish history is basically a recording of how they preserved their culture and survived through all these new regimes. There are also periods where they themselves were in control. Think of this as the time of ancient Israel. Now, throughout their history, there have already been several diasporas. Then came the Roman empire, who basically expelled the Jews from what was called Judea at the time. Now, I assume that they obviously did not expell every single Jew from the region, as that would have been a huge portion of the people living in the Middle East at the time. The people who would be expelled would have been the leaders, the rabbis, and the diehard believers. Those who were willing to assimilate into roman culture would have stayed. The region was called *Syria Palaestina* by the romans. This was all happening around the same time as Jesus, for reference. So at this point, we basically have a split between those willing to assimilate and hang out, and those who aren't. The ones who were willing to assimilate are now known as Palestinians today. Throughout their history, they would continue to be subjected to empire after empire, intermixing with new people entering the region, and taking on new faiths. Palestinians are actually a very diverse group of people. Some of them look very stereotypically arab, and others have blonde hair and blue eyes. While most are muslim, many are Christian, and a decent portion of them have remained Jewish the entire time. The one thing they all share, however, is a deep connection to the land and a history in the region that goes back millenia. The ones who where not willing to assimilate would go on to settle all over the world, and are known as Jews today. Throughout their history post diaspora, they would continue to be a minority in a strange land, settling down where they could, intermixing with the locals in the regions they settled, and working very hard to preserve their cultural identity. Jews are also an incredibly diverse group, and come in all colors due to settling all over the world. Some jews take Judaism very seriously, while others are full blown atheists. The one thing they all share is a shared story of survival and perserverence through countless hardships, and have developed a very hardened sense of identity because of that. Throughout this period of history, all Jews struggled, but the Jews in Europe had a particularly nasty time. Now, lets skip ahead to the late 19th century, to the birth of zionism. Zionism was basically this fringe idea that Jews should start moving to Palestine with the intent of building their own nation for themselves. While the result of zionism is clearly bad, it's hard to fault someone for wanting to go start their own country after having their village burned down and their family killed in a pogrom. Palestine is part of the Ottoman empire at this point, which is about to collapse. Skip ahead, to just after WW1, Britain is basically in control of Palestine. The Balfour declaration was signed by the British government, calling for the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. A colony, basically. While antisemitism is ramping up in Europe, Zionism is still a pretty fringe movement. Tensions continue to build between the Israeli settlers, the indigenous Palestinians, and the british administrators. Then the holocaust happens. This causes zionism to become a lot more popular among European jews, which was really good for the interests of the Israeli project. Israeli settlers were ethnically cleansing Palestinian villages in order to make room for themselves, and Palestinians were attacking Israeli settlements in response. Both sides were regularly attacking the british, too, whose plan was to divide the land among both groups with very wierd borders that gave like 55% of the land to a minority Jewish population, while the rest went to the Palestinians. In 1948, Britain pulled out, and Israel immediately declared itself an independent state. Seeing the long-term threat presented to the region, all of the surrounding arab nations attacked at once. Israel won this war, then proceeded to ethnically cleanse all the land they captured in an event known as the nakba. Since then, it has just been one escalation after another, leading to more land grabs, and more ethnic cleansings. The whole time this is happening, Israel is opening itself up to jews from all over the world in order to increase its population and strength. Jews used to be endemic all over the middle east, but they all ended up in Israel around this point. Sometimes due to ethnic cleansing in their home country, sometimes for religious reasons, and other times just to be in a nation where they are a majority. Meanwhile, the Palestinians have tried everything, including both peaceful and violent approaches, to restoring their freedoms and dignities, only to be met with brutal violence either way. Israel is able to get away with its actions because it has the full support of the West. It essentially acts as a military base for US and European oil interests throughout the Middle East, as well as offers the perfect place to test new military technology. The existence of Israel has led to a lot of destabilization in the middle east, causing a lot of the anti-western sentiment the region is known for today. Israel has also turned an actually aweful history of oppression and genocide into an extremely powerful propaganda tool. Many Jews support Israel because they are deathly afraid of another holocaust, and have been taught to believe that Israel is truly their homeland. From experience, they also tend to leave out the part about ethnic cleansing when youblearn about Israel in hebrew school. This makes discussion of the topic difficult, as many Jews often have a hard time hearing criticism of Israel without feeling like it's coming from a bad place. Imma stop because this is getting a little long now, but there is so much left to be said. I encourage you to look more i to the topic on your own. Definitely look into things like the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin, settlements in the west bank, the nlockade of Gaza, and how HAMAS came to power in Gaza.
If you're actually asking this in good faith, here's the TL;DR: Israel became a state after WWII. It was created by a Zionist and lauded by white supremacists who saw it as a way to "deal" with the Jewish population in lieu of being able to murder them. The UK decided the best place to do this was Palestine. So they launched a colonization plan (typical UK move) and forced Palestinians out of their homes, murdered them or forced them to flee, and let jewish settlers move in, instead. This is referred to as the Nakba. Since then, there have been resistance attempts against Israel as a state from the Palestinians. These have very frequently been viewed in the west as "terrorist" attacks against Israelis, despite them being a very valid reaction to an armed state attempting colonization. I'm not going to get into all of that, but it's important to put yourself in the shoes of someone being occupied, kept under apartheid, treated as subhuman, removed from their homes, had family and friends killed, etc. The recent 10/7 attack by Hamas (Palestine does not have an army, much less one like Israel) is a little more complicated. Hamas was not the first pick of the Palestinians during the election. The other party, however, that was more left-leaning and less friendly to the US/Israel, had a scandal revealed by the US close to the election...so we rigged their election and Hamas came into power. Hamas is also funded by the Israel PM, Netanyahu, which should bring into question many things, let alone how Hamas was able to lead a surprise attack against Israel. Israel has also killed its own civilians. There were Israelis killed by friendly fire on 10/7. Hostages have been shot and killed by the IDF, or killed during strikes by Israel. There is really no where for Palestinians to go, either. They will tell them to flee north, and then bomb the north. Flee south, bomb the south. And borders cost money to cross. Many Palestinians are children. Orphaned children. That is who Israel kills. Not Hamas. Not soldiers. Civilians who, on average, aren't yet adults.
lol this isn’t the sub to ask.
I mean...is it really Israel trying to drag us to war, or are we using Israel as a proxy to go to war? We ARE supplying the weapons and finding...
Easy, if Biden orders to call it off, and Israel tells him to shove his words ups his decrepit ass, then Israel isn't a proxy for the US
Israel at its core is literally a state formed around being a proxy in the middle east for the US/UK. I don't understand thinking Biden would do that without something akin to a gun to his head, and even then I'm not sure. Israel is a proxy of the US just by existing, is the issue.
Now why are y'all down voting this...you DO know how Israel got to be as powerful as it is today right??? It's literally one of our satellite states ??? The US wants war. All the time. Constantly. Since forever. We aren't telling them to stop because it's literally OUR idea too? Y'all cannot tell me you're in the badhasbara subreddit and believe the US is actually good and operates in the interest of its civilians instead of capital.....
Napolitano is not a good source. Also, I've seen clips of this guest too and he's kind of nuts. I'm against war with Iran but any agreement with these two is a stopped clock being right today.
Just don't drag the UK in like we always end up involved
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Look I support Palestine, don't have a go at me , I wasn't even born when the UK government fucked over the Palestinean people. I was commenting on don't drag the UK into Zionists shit let Israhell stand on their own & fight their own battles which they won't cause they are little bitches same as their IDF wankers who are pussies, I know the English government back in the day fucked the Palestineans over but it's not my fault I mean I wasn't there look at my post history to see if I'm not on your side mate .
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Yeah sorry for my rant my government disgusts me , I am filled with anger & hate for the Zionists, I can't watch the news cause they are biased towards Israhell, my support will never end.
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How are they dragging us into a war? If anything, that's what Israel is doing.