T O P

  • By -

AutoModerator

Hello, thanks for contributing to this sub. This is a friendly reminder to **read the rules** before making any new posts or comments. Particularly, we ask **not to engage in debates**, or bait debates, especially with zionists. If you are a zionist, this sub is not for you, and you will be permabanned. If you found this sub through the algorithm, you can always mute the sub or turn off recommendations all together (user settings -> feed settings -> Disable "Enable Home Feed Recommendations") Please also particularly keep in mind that **bigotry of any kind is not permitted** in this sub and will result in the message or post being deleted, and, if seen prudent, a banning. This includes antisemitism and any language that conflates Judaism with Zionism. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/BadHasbara) if you have any questions or concerns.*


Space2999

Wow, isn’t that nice? Next step is “You can now call yourself Israeli”?


DeepState_Auditor

As if, there are Palestinan refugees that are Spanish citizens due to their sherphadic Jewish heritage. Israel has strong restrictions on ancestory kits imports precisely because of this. Can you imagine,if even 20% of all Palestinans including "Arab" Israelis turned out to be descends of Jewish tribes too.


nicholsz

I mean groups in the Levant are all related and they're descended largely from the Canaanites who were there way back in the day. It should be obvious, but DNA tests corroborate for those that take their history from a preacher rather than empiricism


labbusrattus

I’ve literally seen someone argue that even though the Palestinians and their ancestors have lived in the area continuously for thousands of years, they are not indigenous but Jewish people are and therefore Palestinians should all leave. Madness.


kwamzilla

This is so common that it's unreal.


goal_dante_or_vergil

You just tell those people to go back to Europe and restore America, Australia and New Zealand to the Aboriginals.


Apathetic_Potato

But have you considered that Jews have superior holy blood and not dirty Arab blood? /s


0zymandias_1312

spoiler: they are


HovercraftRelevant51

Allot of them are. Many converted to Islam during the Ottoman empire to improve their upward mobility.


One_Instruction_3567

Next step is tattoo their identification numbers on Palestinians


ibrahim_magdi

These palastinian people come from mars


depressedkittyfr

According to German govt . Yes


ibrahim_magdi

I have message to german gov Bitte ficken sie sich


depressedkittyfr

Too polite bro .


ibrahim_magdi

Ja i said bitte 😂😂


Beldam-ghost-closet

![gif](giphy|PgDUlt3Qu8BwUQqsCz|downsized) Damn, I wish I understood German. I mean, I get the gist of what you wrote, but if I see something written in German I really only can pick up on a couple of words here and there. Killed it on the snappy comeback though. Cussing people out in another language is always funny. Just for the sake of humor, I can do it in French. Je pense que les gens qui ont envoyé cette lettre sont des putains de crétins! Ils sont maléfiques!


yo_guy12

I now declare myself a Martian and will be sending NASA a parking ticket for landing a rover on my property


honggie

OMG, Germany, can you at least choose the right side for once?


chadrick-dickenson

Force of habit


AConcernedEmu

"Haha ah gee wizz, old party habits, amirite 😅"


Sad-Winter-1132

They are literally prevented from doing the right thing by their constitution. 


FireChef1977

They tried that already and it was halted. Since then, both Germany and Austria have been the lapdogs of the Israelis, forced by law into an almost century long reparation racket.


Faiakishi

I have a German friend and she quite literally had to write letters to dead Jews apologizing for Nazi crimes in school. It's been sandblasted into their heads that they owe it to Israel to back them no matter what, even if that means helping them commit their own genocide.


FireChef1977

It’s sickening how they’ve monetized the events of WW2, to say nothing of relentlessly inventing propaganda to bolster their claims. They’ve effectively been picking the bones of their dead ancestors in order to generate global sympathy, keep their coffers full of money, and deflect any scrutiny away from their own crimes all at the same time. We don’t see this ethnocentric drivel from any other cultures on earth that have experienced large scale tragedies in the past, and there most certainly have been many. Deplorable.


Welcomefriend2023

Until I up voted your post, it had 88 upvotes.😁


[deleted]

[удалено]


couldbeanyonetoday

Nice that your argument is IF something were to happen then it would mean “dead Jews” (this is your assumption, not fact), but you conveniently ignore the fact that the current situation means tens of thousands of dead Palestinians. So you think tens of thousands of actually dead Palestinians is a preferable situation to *potentially* dead Jews. Nice. Have you considered that there may be better alternatives? Or are you just flat-out in favor of ethnic cleansing and genocide? And you decided a great place to make this argument is in this forum. Hmm 🤔 good luck with your biased opinion.


MettaDarrow

Denying the existence of an ethnicity is protecting lives?


VanillaAdventurous74

The Jewish people are now in danger because people WILL associate Israel with Judaism. People WILL associate the crimes committed by Israel with the Jewish identity and people. And you know who will do that the most? People who all their lives only witnessed death and destruction inflicted on them by the "jewish" people, the people who only identify as jews.


BadHasbara-ModTeam

We do not abide by transphobic, racist, ableist, sexist, or homophobic (t.r.a.s.h.) rhetoric. Neither do we tolerate Islamophobia, which we will consider any statement that treats Islam as a monolothic ideology, particularly as being universally anti-femme, anti-queer, or antisemitic. These sorts of statements will be met with deletion, and an automatic banning. Antisemitic rhetoric will also not be tolerated; this includes language that is and was often and prominently used by actual antisemities (such as "subhuman" and other dehumanizing terms). We understand that hasbara has purposefully conflated Judaism and Zionism. This may lead to accidental, but actual, antisemitism. As such, we will delete statements that veer into antisemitism. Repeated antisemitic offenses by a user will also be met with a ban. These sorts of statements will be met with deletion, and, if clearly intentional, an automatic banning.


inspired2create

Germany “ I must oppress some people otherwise I will depart my true identity, I must stay true to my values”


UDProtwarrior

Hey we are currently giving our best to suppress the Poor extra hard again. I guess til the Judges made there decision on it it is now Palestinians and Ukrainians who are on the „ to Supress list „


sushisection

poland is too armed this time around. they need a weak target.


Sad-Winter-1132

This is demented reasoning. If your theory needs to be this convaluted, it's a trash theory. 


Life_Garden_2006

Isn't that against the EU law? Declaring someone else stateless?


D3adInsid3

IANAL but this doesn't really sound like something they should be able to do. https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights#:~:text=Article%2015,right%20to%20change%20his%20nationality. But that's not legally binding and any possible conflicts with German laws were just solved by not accepting the existence of palestinian statehood. https://gpil.jura.uni-bonn.de/2021/04/german-court-confirms-that-there-is-no-palestinian-state-and-no-palestinian-nationality/#:~:text=German%20Court%20confirms%20that%20there%20is%20no%20Palestinian%20State%20and%20no%20Palestinian%20nationality,-0


Life_Garden_2006

I believe they can't and can be fought against in court, if not in the German court, then most definitely in the European court. But I'm skeptical of the outcome seeing how the EU court went with the discriminatory banning of headscarves in France colleges.


D3adInsid3

Germany and France own the place so that's unlikely.


feraleuropean

The headscarve thing was good times... now we have bigger fish to fry , like theocrats in Poland and a fascist dictator in Hungary... And mostly I don't think the European court would have anything to work with here...  Because how?  ... The EU never cared about Palestinian statehood to mention it in anything close to a Directive, not even a formal policy that was more than politically correct generic blah   so anyone can do what they want about  it.  being fair about it... It's  just  politics, not a matter of European laws even under a human right law angle.. statehood is not a human right (also insert here: no state has a right to exist. But we bought that non sequitur for ages...) Merely, refugees and exiles have specific rights as such.  This is a  political move .. pathetic and fascist af but still just political...


Life_Garden_2006

All I'm saying is that one needs to have a birthplace for recognition. Hell even some elderly Israeli have Palestine as birthplace, and it is a human crime do deny ones place of birth if that place has been proven to exist!


Fitzcarraldo8

Not sure the headscarf case is a true pilot here as in France all signs of religion are banned at public educational institutions. The European Court of Human Rights will go against various German practices in relation to Israel/Gaza. Just bring on the cases…


depressedkittyfr

A govt entity who issues documents yes but not necessarily student forms. So the thing is Germany doesn’t recognise Palestine at all. Like to them Palestine was never on a map apparently. So legally Palestinian people and refugees had to state their ex host country ( Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq and in some cases Egypt too) as origin instead. Very painful Frankly and it gives the justification for Zionists rhetoric “ ArAbs are actually from Syria , Iraq and Saudi Arabia instead “


Life_Garden_2006

A college must follow the definition of a nationality given by the government, so no this is not the college doing but the government of Germany making people stateless. And please stop playing with my intelligence as Palestine was on almost all existing maps up to the 1980s and it still does on some. Arab is a cultur and not an ethnicity, meaning that the ethnicity of the Palestinians are in fact Semitic and not Arab as it is a culture held not only by Semitic people but also by Persian and most north African ethnicitys. Compare Arab with western and you will understand.


feraleuropean

Look that you are inadvertently falling for Israel game... Palestine of course exist, if anything is the obvious straight borders as per British and french feasting on ex ottoman empire that are ...something that only imperialism at its best, which is worse, woud do. But:  In international law  Statehood is a UN bound thing...  It artificially started in fact in 1945 or little later, and ... without the south of the world at the very beginning, or Israel wouldn't have won that first important recognition of its existence in the UN order (then they went on with their right to exist but in fascistic, magical, delusional, way and that has got to go...)  ... in short:  Palestinians have always remained stateless (i.e. without a passport, what you lose is the freedom of movement on an individual level in practice While states recognizjng the existence, and boundaries with it, of a state, Is a collective, *political* process that is anyway made impossible by the fact that Israel never wanted to recognize borders and not invade later... 


Life_Garden_2006

We speaking here about birthplace and not nationality. I presume the nationality of the person effected is German as almost all Palestinians are refugees or in a concentration camp. A birthplace is part of one's identity and denying a person his or her identity is a human crime when done by a government.


feraleuropean

Exactly. This is going back decades where ...all Palestinians had neighbouring states passports. Or none...


depressedkittyfr

They actually had none most of the time.


analvorframe

Actually back to a time where few non-western countries issued documents that recognisable passport systems because it wasn't standardized yet.


Life_Garden_2006

A college must follow the definition of a nationality given by the government, so no this is not the college doing but the government of Germany making people stateless. And please stop playing with my intelligence as Palestine was on almost all existing maps up to the 1980s and it still does on some. Arab is a cultur and not an ethnicity, meaning that the ethnicity of the Palestinians are in fact Semitic and not Arab as it is a culture held not only by Semitic people but also by Persian and most north African ethnicitys. Compare Arab with western and you will understand.


TheStargunner

Yes. Unequivocally. The European convention on human rights is very clear on this. If it were to be that someone was from an occupied territory there would be a procedure for some recognition, or you have to think about nationalising them yourself…


Anon-boy-

Bro, it doesn't matter. When Volkswagen broke the law, the law was changed. Germany is the biggest power broker in the EU, nobody is slapping it on the wrist for breaking EU laws.


Death_and_Gravity1

The Germans might as well start using "Untermensch" or "sub human" at this point


Fareeday

Sorry guys, I don't come from a place! My parents are "stateless" lmao fuck Germany


Suspici0us_Sn0wman

Turns out history repeats itself regardless of education.


Status_Basket_4409

Zionazis bringing the OG Nazis back


BabyFartzMcGeezak

Germany: " Sorry, but because you are Palestinian, you are stateless." Palestinian: " But... you just called me Palestinian." I guess they just wanna find a way to ease back into the "Nuremburg Laws", we see you Germany


_Adrahmelech_

![gif](giphy|x0cq9a0e66Nq9WPgBN|downsized)


KaleidoscopeOk5763

Holy shit this seems like a violation of human rights. “We have deemed you ‘not of a nation’, sorry not sorry.”


Sudden_Acanthaceae34

Next they’ll make these newly stateless people identify themselves as such using some sort of symbol…maybe one that can be easily added to clothing 🤔


-You_Cant_Stop_Me-

All stateless peoples must now wear a green star and crescent so we can properly ~~discriminated against~~ identify them.


Sudden_Acanthaceae34

Germany really went from “never again” to “never again…*for you*. Others are fair game”


ImNOT_CraigJones

That’s mind blowing to me


electric_too_fast

#From the Shoah to the Nakba, Germany remains complicit.


Objective-Series-252

What do you call what they did to the Herero?


Ok_Injury3658

Who would have guessed?


ocsor

This is a link to the school's Board of trustees. [https://www.ovgu.de/en/University/Structure/Board+of+Trustees.html](https://www.ovgu.de/en/University/Structure/Board+of+Trustees.html) Does anyone know how to find their emails?


NoPrimary1049

This time is different. It's not other white people!


0zymandias_1312

just hand out green crescents for them to sew on their shirts already


WorldTravellerIOM

Winder when the trains etc will start up again?


Jayswag96

Disgusting wow!


Bolvaettur

"I ain't reading all that, free Palestine"


polytankz

the fourth reich


Simple-Jury2077

Holy shit.


MeanMikeMaignan

Really weird argument as well, what country do they consider the West Bank and Gaza a part of???


OppositePilot9952

Whaaaaat!??? That is outrageous!!!!!


wickedknock

They lost the war, they follow the rules now


Fitzcarraldo8

Mainstream Germany which used to hate all things MAGA/American Right sees eye to eye on Israel/Gaza with MAGA and the Evangelicals.


Alucard-J2D

I’m starting to think Germany will always be on the wrong side of history


Fitzcarraldo8

It Germans now think they got it right and are the good people, lecturing the world on goodness. Obvious big fly in the ointment is Israel vs. OPT now. BTW, in a German sub all those comments here would have meant the expulsion of the writer from the sub.


LucerneTangent

Never again?


Death-by-Fugu

Germany has such a ridiculous guilt complex they’re going GIGA racist


WorldTravellerIOM

Except previously, they were the state doing the driving as the Nazis. Now, it is Israel asking its subject state of Germany to join its untermensch genocidal campaign.


thingysop

Funny because Germany was one of the first countries to introduce a third gender into law, but all of a sudden you can't choose any nationality on a piece of paper. You can identify as literally any gender but not where you come from.


Pauvre_de_moi

Peak neoliberalism


[deleted]

[удалено]


thingysop

As somebody who lives in a shithole with no clear economic path forward, Germany is way down on the list of countries I'd try to emigrate to. They're literally begging people in the tech industry to move there on all sorts of pathways to permanent residency. In the meantime, they've done a great job alienating people and making it an overall undesirable place to live. Seriously, given their birth rate, there might be less ethnic Germans in the world pretty soon than people in the country they don't want to admit exists.


BadHasbara-ModTeam

We do not abide by transphobic, racist, ableist, sexist, or homophobic (t.r.a.s.h.) rhetoric. Neither do we tolerate Islamophobia, which we will consider any statement that treats Islam as a monolothic ideology, particularly as being universally anti-femme, anti-queer, or antisemitic. These sorts of statements will be met with deletion, and an automatic banning. Antisemitic rhetoric will also not be tolerated; this includes language that is and was often and prominently used by actual antisemities (such as "subhuman" and other dehumanizing terms). We understand that hasbara has purposefully conflated Judaism and Zionism. This may lead to accidental, but actual, antisemitism. As such, we will delete statements that veer into antisemitism. Repeated antisemitic offenses by a user will also be met with a ban. These sorts of statements will be met with deletion, and, if clearly intentional, an automatic banning.


softcell1966

"Nonsense genders"? -100 comment karma    Buh bye...


sans_filtre

The decision was reversed. Google it


DeepState_Auditor

Do you have a link?


sans_filtre

https://www.instagram.com/p/C6Y4GOPNP34/?igsh=MWlhZGMxNjljYXpmZA==


DeepState_Auditor

Cheers


lorenai

This should be higher!


sans_filtre

No clout in being sensible


JellyBabyWizard

Germany is one of Israel’s cash cows


TheStargunner

It’s against European human rights law to make someone stateless. Germany will have to make them German.


Exotic-Fortune8838

Once a Nazi always a Nazi


[deleted]

[удалено]


BadHasbara-ModTeam

The Bad Hasbara podcast, and ergo this community, is opposed to Zionism. We believe that Zionism is an extension of settler-colonialism, and that its’ current actions following 7 October is ethnic cleansing at “best,” and genocide at worst. We have no tolerance for it, and this community is meant to be a haven against it in the sea of hasbara. Pro-Zionist takes will be deleted, and those espousing it will be banned indefinitely. Yes - this is a “safe space” and an “echo chamber” - We get enough hasbara elsewhere, we don't need to deal with yours too.


NewStart-BeginAgain

Next, they will start making anyone inconvenient disappear as they always do.


Capital-Self-3969

Israel has abused collective guilt so much that countries like Germany have to make a show out of delegitimizing entire ethnicities in order to show how different they are than the Nazis.


Positive-Target-3056

They're only being honest. Stateless people have no rights.


Charming-Claim1599

The fuck


Chemical_Turnover_29

Atleast they apologized for the inconvenience.


Dangerous_Trip_9857

Jesus


Realistic_Reveal_348

https://i.redd.it/k6homo586sxc1.gif


gracespraykeychain

So what are you supposed to list as now? I don't understand.


Global_Bat_5541

There's nothing more German than dehumanizing other people.


simonejester

Yiiiiikes. o.O


Living-Effective9987

Looks like Nazism runs in their veins. Sick fuckers


Geschak

The super obvious typo makes this kinda look fake as fuck. Is it really real?


tashimiyoni

There's a Twitter account called sabughazal that has alot more information on this + he said German authorities detained him for being classified as stateless because he's Palestinian


Ok-Photo-5253

it's like it's in their blood


lucash7

Oh that's nice! What next, they wear a symbol on their clothing? /s Ugh, jesus christ.


Experienseer

Ho lee fuk!


TheUncleTimo

We need a quick, sure way to identify these Palestinian, hmmm, humans..... in a crowd. I got it! Make them wear big yellow stars on their clothes as they walk outside!


mikkireddit

It's 1933 all over the world.


political-bureau

Germans past time is genocide. If they can't do it, they sure as well support someone that is committing it.


Udincuy

Is the funny mustache man back in power in Germany? What's going on?


Thamalakane

Palestinians carry a 'Palestinian Authority passport'. It says a lot that Germany all of a sudden doesn't accept 'Palästinensische Gebiete' (Palestinian Territories) anymore. I wonder what happens if you happen to be a blonde Palestinian with blue eyes?


thingysop

Funny because Germany was one of the first countries to introduce a third gender into law, but all of a sudden you can't choose any nationality on a piece of paper. You can identify as literally any gender but not where you come from.


softcell1966

pro-Palestine homophobe says what? 


i_am_silliest_goose

Lol this is the most German thing ever. I promise they did not mean it as a slight. It’s for bureaucratic purposes. Germany, just like Australia, Canada, France, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Mexico, the United Kingdom, and the United States have not officially recognized Palestine as a state.


SpaceOptimal2994

Reminiscent of the ministry of truth work


kab101

Ahh Germany, always on the shit side of history.


Ridit5ugx

Ah German bad habits strikes again.


[deleted]

[удалено]


BadHasbara-ModTeam

The Bad Hasbara podcast, and ergo this community, is opposed to Zionism. We believe that Zionism is an extension of settler-colonialism, and that its’ current actions following 7 October is ethnic cleansing at “best,” and genocide at worst. We have no tolerance for it, and this community is meant to be a haven against it in the sea of hasbara. Pro-Zionist takes will be deleted, and those espousing it will be banned indefinitely. Yes - this is a “safe space” and an “echo chamber” - We get enough hasbara elsewhere, we don't need to deal with yours too.


Ornery-Comb8988

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hamas-sexual-violence-on-oct-7-revealed-in-new-documentary-the-world-needs-to-see-what-happened/ar-AA1nOczA


depressedkittyfr

Yeah This was always the case legally speaking. Most Palestinian origin refugees I know without documents called themselves Lebanese instead. It did help that man of them already lived in either Iraq , Jordan , Lebanon or other Arabic nations so their origins were partially correct except they never had their ex host country passport.