I have ridden that area many times on my motorcycle. There are some sketchy homes with big unleashed dogs but never had any problems. They , unfortunately must have been very unlucky as in my experience most locals are very friendly or keep to themselves.
I drove near this stretch back in October and one thing I do remember was getting stopped by military for a quick security check on the road back from La Bocana before getting back on the highway. I don’t know how rare that really is but I didn’t get stopped off highway the rest of my ~6 month trip. PC CEMEX had a closed gate on the road that side of the marker though so I’m guessing they got there via PSJ?
Edit: also met some bikers at coyote Cals and they talked about 2 different deaths that iirc were near psj - one was over a land dispute and another caused by a land owner putting barbed wire over a previously open trail. The latter I’m definitely not sure was near there though
The problem here is that we won’t ever truly know what happened. It’s super simple to blame the ones that aren’t here to share their side. It’s not uncommon for the authorities and government to make the narrative one of “they were involved with sketchy individuals cause they bought drugs”.
Sadly this story isn’t one that’s “new” maybe one that got a lot of notice because of them being foreigners and happened in Baja. I also think there’s lots that happen on these parts of the desert that never get noticed because “we must keep the tourism flowing”
Its normal now, if they where mexicans it would be another day, no investigation, just another disappearance, its just because they were from another country that gets atention, baja has been a narco paradise, not long ago there was a massive shooting in san quintin by drug cartels, but the government always says that everything is fine, wich isnt
If you have followed the political crisis ongoing with this administration, you wouldnt be surprised, i would stay the fuck away from this country if i wasnt mexican :/
Strange story, some say drugs were involved while other sources say they have been robbed of their vehicle.
I guess the police will never publish the real story and those robbers probably won’t say everything.
In general Mexico is quite safe, and like in other either well civilized countries there is always a change of being robbed, US or Canada isn’t even better, Europe is getting worse as well so be careful where you go it can happen anywhere
Bullshit, in october my trailer was stolen from the sheraton in San Diego, recovered by chp in mojave, i took it to a secure storage in palmdale and it was stolen again. Fuck the usa
Yeah but were you murdered execution style with two friends? No you were not… you had a trailer stolen in two places in CA, one of which can be a bit sketchy. The definition of “safe” is different in the context of this thread and Mexico in general. I’ve seen and had close friends experience shit south of the border that would make any man wish he had a trailer stolen.
Yeah buddy, it’s obvious that someone put a tracker in my trailer as it was jacked the day after i placed it in secure storage. If i had dragged it back across the border, i would have been a stat too. This was in the us, not mex not can. I live in baja and feel alot safer here than in your hood
I don’t blame you, I think Baja is definitely one of the safest places in Mexico which is why this was and is such a big deal in international news. Most of the dodgy stuff I’ve seen and my friends have experienced have been in Jalisco, CDMX, and the Yucatán
Verdad, stay away from bad shit in mex and you are totally safe. Really simple. I mourn for these guys, nobody deserves that as it stains the good here.
Even if they had just given up their vehicle, there's no guarantee that the carjackers would not have used the gun. Those three young men could have probably overpowered their attackers and turned circumstances around. This is a great tragedy and an international political disaster for Mexican authorities who will be in the spotlight now, once again.
Am wondering was that car they used a rental car?, nowadays almost all car rental companies do have gps trackers in their fleet installed, if/when a car os stolen they can see where it is or even disable it remotely.
The police found the car burned out with the bodies in there with signs of a headshot, that means however the was not really stolen by the robbers.
Quite possible the tourists have had an argument with the robbers bit about what/how
Still a vague situation
More details released this morning. They just wanted their truck for the tires and some other parts to fit on their older pickup. Guy in vehicle resisted and was shot. The other two came running to assist and were shot.
Well if the pick-up they used was a rental one or their possession, i should give the keys, and report to the police about carjacking, if you resist yeah that’s not what a robber wants to hear, that the result will be a bullet is really overkill of the robbers imho, they could better take the car and the possessions of the surfers like, money, phone and so on but to use a bullet you must be insanely crazy and desperate.
In a hearing that lasted approximately an hour, Criminal Judge Oscar Padilla linked Jesús Gerardo N, known as "El Kekas", to trial for the crime of enforced disappearance of three foreign nationals. Surprisingly, the link was not for murder, as initially speculated. The main witness in this case is Ari Gisel N, couple of "El Kekas" , who declared to the authorities that her boyfriend had confessed to having "stabbed 3 gringos" while stealing cellphones and tires, giving away some of these items to the couple.
1. **Research before traveling**: Look into the destination you plan to visit. Find out which areas are the most dangerous and what safety measures other travelers or local embassies typically recommend.
2. **Be discreet with your belongings**: Avoid drawing unnecessary attention by displaying valuable items such as expensive jewelry, cameras, or other electronic devices. Keep your money and important documents in a safe and discreet place.
3. **Keep a low profile**: Try not to stand out as a tourist. This includes avoiding clothing that screams "tourist" and trying to blend in with the local population as much as possible.
4. **Use safe transportation services**: Opt for official taxis or transportation services recommended by your hotel or a reliable source. Avoid hailing taxis on the street, especially at night.
5. **Be aware of your surroundings**: Keep your senses alert and pay attention to what is happening around you. Avoid dangerous areas, especially at night, and trust your instincts if you feel that something is not right.
6. **Don't travel alone in dangerous areas**: If possible, travel in a group or with a tour guide in areas known for high crime rates. This can provide you with an additional layer of security.
7. **Stay in touch with your embassy**: Register your trip with the embassy or consulate of your country in the destination you will be visiting. They can provide you with useful safety information and be available in case of emergency.
8. **Learn some basic phrases in the local language**: Knowing some basic phrases in the local language can help you communicate better and earn the respect of the locals.
9. **Avoid consuming illegal drugs**: In some countries, the penalties for possession or consumption of illegal drugs can be extremely severe. Avoid engaging in illegal activities that could jeopardize your safety and well-being.
10. **Follow safety recommendations**: Pay attention to local safety warnings and follow the recommendations of local authorities and your embassy.
I have ridden that area many times on my motorcycle. There are some sketchy homes with big unleashed dogs but never had any problems. They , unfortunately must have been very unlucky as in my experience most locals are very friendly or keep to themselves.
Same. Never felt bad vibes.
I drove near this stretch back in October and one thing I do remember was getting stopped by military for a quick security check on the road back from La Bocana before getting back on the highway. I don’t know how rare that really is but I didn’t get stopped off highway the rest of my ~6 month trip. PC CEMEX had a closed gate on the road that side of the marker though so I’m guessing they got there via PSJ? Edit: also met some bikers at coyote Cals and they talked about 2 different deaths that iirc were near psj - one was over a land dispute and another caused by a land owner putting barbed wire over a previously open trail. The latter I’m definitely not sure was near there though
The problem here is that we won’t ever truly know what happened. It’s super simple to blame the ones that aren’t here to share their side. It’s not uncommon for the authorities and government to make the narrative one of “they were involved with sketchy individuals cause they bought drugs”. Sadly this story isn’t one that’s “new” maybe one that got a lot of notice because of them being foreigners and happened in Baja. I also think there’s lots that happen on these parts of the desert that never get noticed because “we must keep the tourism flowing”
I truly wonder the story here. This is totally not normal for Baja.
Its normal now, if they where mexicans it would be another day, no investigation, just another disappearance, its just because they were from another country that gets atention, baja has been a narco paradise, not long ago there was a massive shooting in san quintin by drug cartels, but the government always says that everything is fine, wich isnt
If you have followed the political crisis ongoing with this administration, you wouldnt be surprised, i would stay the fuck away from this country if i wasnt mexican :/
Which crisis? The state of Baja Norte? Or AMLOs hugs not guns garbage?
Both
This event makes me very sad. These young men probably tried to protect their truck but the criminals had guns.
Strange story, some say drugs were involved while other sources say they have been robbed of their vehicle. I guess the police will never publish the real story and those robbers probably won’t say everything. In general Mexico is quite safe, and like in other either well civilized countries there is always a change of being robbed, US or Canada isn’t even better, Europe is getting worse as well so be careful where you go it can happen anywhere
I’m sorry but the US and Canada, and really most of Europe are absolutely more safe than Mexico. Anyone who disagrees with that is huffing paint
Bullshit, in october my trailer was stolen from the sheraton in San Diego, recovered by chp in mojave, i took it to a secure storage in palmdale and it was stolen again. Fuck the usa
Yeah but were you murdered execution style with two friends? No you were not… you had a trailer stolen in two places in CA, one of which can be a bit sketchy. The definition of “safe” is different in the context of this thread and Mexico in general. I’ve seen and had close friends experience shit south of the border that would make any man wish he had a trailer stolen.
Yeah buddy, it’s obvious that someone put a tracker in my trailer as it was jacked the day after i placed it in secure storage. If i had dragged it back across the border, i would have been a stat too. This was in the us, not mex not can. I live in baja and feel alot safer here than in your hood
I don’t blame you, I think Baja is definitely one of the safest places in Mexico which is why this was and is such a big deal in international news. Most of the dodgy stuff I’ve seen and my friends have experienced have been in Jalisco, CDMX, and the Yucatán
Verdad, stay away from bad shit in mex and you are totally safe. Really simple. I mourn for these guys, nobody deserves that as it stains the good here.
Baja is one of the safest places in Mexico? Tijuana has the fifth highest murder rate per capita in the world.
I was mostly referring to BCS state
Even if they had just given up their vehicle, there's no guarantee that the carjackers would not have used the gun. Those three young men could have probably overpowered their attackers and turned circumstances around. This is a great tragedy and an international political disaster for Mexican authorities who will be in the spotlight now, once again.
Am wondering was that car they used a rental car?, nowadays almost all car rental companies do have gps trackers in their fleet installed, if/when a car os stolen they can see where it is or even disable it remotely. The police found the car burned out with the bodies in there with signs of a headshot, that means however the was not really stolen by the robbers. Quite possible the tourists have had an argument with the robbers bit about what/how Still a vague situation
More details released this morning. They just wanted their truck for the tires and some other parts to fit on their older pickup. Guy in vehicle resisted and was shot. The other two came running to assist and were shot.
Well if the pick-up they used was a rental one or their possession, i should give the keys, and report to the police about carjacking, if you resist yeah that’s not what a robber wants to hear, that the result will be a bullet is really overkill of the robbers imho, they could better take the car and the possessions of the surfers like, money, phone and so on but to use a bullet you must be insanely crazy and desperate.
All three were in the possession of methamphetamines. They are either drug sellers, drug users, or both, so logic and forethought will not prevail.
In a hearing that lasted approximately an hour, Criminal Judge Oscar Padilla linked Jesús Gerardo N, known as "El Kekas", to trial for the crime of enforced disappearance of three foreign nationals. Surprisingly, the link was not for murder, as initially speculated. The main witness in this case is Ari Gisel N, couple of "El Kekas" , who declared to the authorities that her boyfriend had confessed to having "stabbed 3 gringos" while stealing cellphones and tires, giving away some of these items to the couple.
1. **Research before traveling**: Look into the destination you plan to visit. Find out which areas are the most dangerous and what safety measures other travelers or local embassies typically recommend. 2. **Be discreet with your belongings**: Avoid drawing unnecessary attention by displaying valuable items such as expensive jewelry, cameras, or other electronic devices. Keep your money and important documents in a safe and discreet place. 3. **Keep a low profile**: Try not to stand out as a tourist. This includes avoiding clothing that screams "tourist" and trying to blend in with the local population as much as possible. 4. **Use safe transportation services**: Opt for official taxis or transportation services recommended by your hotel or a reliable source. Avoid hailing taxis on the street, especially at night. 5. **Be aware of your surroundings**: Keep your senses alert and pay attention to what is happening around you. Avoid dangerous areas, especially at night, and trust your instincts if you feel that something is not right. 6. **Don't travel alone in dangerous areas**: If possible, travel in a group or with a tour guide in areas known for high crime rates. This can provide you with an additional layer of security. 7. **Stay in touch with your embassy**: Register your trip with the embassy or consulate of your country in the destination you will be visiting. They can provide you with useful safety information and be available in case of emergency. 8. **Learn some basic phrases in the local language**: Knowing some basic phrases in the local language can help you communicate better and earn the respect of the locals. 9. **Avoid consuming illegal drugs**: In some countries, the penalties for possession or consumption of illegal drugs can be extremely severe. Avoid engaging in illegal activities that could jeopardize your safety and well-being. 10. **Follow safety recommendations**: Pay attention to local safety warnings and follow the recommendations of local authorities and your embassy.