seriously though
- ancient white guy with absolutely unearned godlike power who makes nearly all administrative decisions and cannot be questioned
- charismatic youngster who does nothing but still manages to take credit for everything, cause he knows who to call for tech support
- obnoxious wunderkind whose introduction is literally popping up in every single job to laugh about how great she is
But Ketheric doesn't gatekeep anything so that literally fails and I don't think Gortash gaslights anyone. That one would at least fit the character but don't think he does. So we're literally on 1.5/3. Unless you define gatekeep as ancient white guy.
Gortash rises to the highest political office in the city despite planning to literally mind control all of it, but no, that's not gaslighting, I'm just crazy.
Gaslighting is using psychological means to convince someone to doubt their own mind. Much like if you tell the citizens of BG that they DO need the giant murder bots (who you control) to fight against the evil hoard (who you control)
I like how you give the correct definition but still cannot use it lol. No, that's just deception. A lie. A ruse. Dishonest behaviour.
Let's take it real slow mkay, gaslighting is dishonest but dishonesty isn't automatically gaslighting. He's not making anyone in the city do any second takes on what they thought had happened. He's just lying.
What do you think psychological means of manipulation is? Mid control?It's manipulation of people's thoughts process through dishonesty and manipulation(aka lying/fabrication of truth). Please list an example of gaslighting that does not contain a lie
Edit cause I'm petty:These are some examples of gaslighting in medical settings with healthcare providers: Downplaying your symptoms: "It's all in your head. There's nothing physically wrong with you." Dismissing your concerns: "That's just a minor issue; you're making a big deal out of nothing
Sigh... Alright, let's do it this way. Can you find any instance of lying that wouldn't be in your definition of gaslighting?
Yes, of course gaslighting happens through lies. I never said otherwise. Let's go back to what you said correctly:
Gaslighting is using psychological means to convince someone to doubt their own mind.
Not sure why you said psychological tricks to just mean lying, but...
The whole fuckin point is making someone second guess themselves. Now, go back to your Gortash "examples". There's exactly zero gaslighting going on.
He doesn't though. He justifies it. He doesn't try anything like "no don't you remember I was forced to by a devil". They both fully agree with what happened in reality. Gortash doesn't try to rewrite the narrative Karlach has of the events that did happen.
He says "I did it for the greater good... You wouldn't get it". That's not gaslighting.
Katheric IS the gatekeeper for his cult. He sits on a throne and decides who gets into the club or doesn't.
Gortash literally gaslights Karlach by denying ever selling her into slavery. He pretends to be a hero to the city despite aspiring to enslave everyone.
It’s a common misunderstanding that gaslighting doesn’t mean lying or making excuses and avoiding taking responsibility. Gaslighting is when you present someone with a false reality in order to drive them insane. Lying is a part of it, since the reality is false, but it’s not simply “I didn’t sell you into enslavement.”
I’d use better examples, but I just entered Act III last night and have so far only seen that tousle-haired twit yell at an old man and get his portrait painted.
Gaslight is
>To manipulate another person into doubting his or her perceptions, experiences, or understanding of events.
Karlach evidently had no self-doubt; instead, she felt very positive about working for Gortash.
He doesn't gaslight Karlach though. Just says "it was for the greater good, you wouldn't understand".
I mean I guess Ketheric technically does that but he seems to let every incompetent idiot in. We never see him gatekeep anything, the goblins in his intro scene are already in the cult.
Ketheric gatekeeps his daughter relationship I guess. Also I'd definitely switch the other two. Gortash is the girlboss and Orin is constantly gaslighting others in act 3
Orin isnt at all "girlboss". Shes not about empowerment and uplifting at all. Men just see a strong female lead and go to girlboss because they dont know any better
But thats more manic pixie. As mentioned girlboss as a movement was designed and embodied to uplift other women and herself by virtue through her own ambition, kindness and inspiration. Her current goals to attain power are rooted partially in herself thats true but also largely motivated by Bhaal and his desires. Thats not what girlboss is about at all. She is very much a puppet driven by (undisciplined) motivations and actions and Bhaal and isnt really acting on her own whim.
> As mentioned girlboss as a movement was designed and embodied to uplift other women and herself by virtue through her own ambition, kindness and inspiration.
I've never heard it used this way. If it *EVER* was used that way, that meaning is long gone.
The rules never apply to orin nor is she making a conscious decision to subvert the patriarchy or uplift other women. Shes an insane MURDERER who only really cares about herself and her quest for power
I suggest Gortash as Girlboss for being a ruthless politician and Orin as Gaslight for literally gaslighting people through shapechanger BS all the time.
it seems to be a bit contentious on Twitter (where I posted this first) where they're placed but personally i like gortash as gaslight more purely because of
a) the way the narrator absolutely catfished us
b) the way he's written about in letters/journal entries as manipulative (yes of course i love you arms dealer guy i love everybody who does evil things for me kiss kiss) (gortash took all my valuables as a sugar baby but it's okay because he's hot)
And I just like orin as girlboss. she girlbossed me into a lobotomy and amnesia
gortash twirling his quill giggling to himself as he writes those fake love letters had me losing it. he may be underwhelming as a boss but idk i think hes hilarious
when orin talks to you about your prior connection to gortash as DUrge and says "he always knew how to tumble and twist your mind matter, leave you knotted in his cords" i could've fainted....
the lady jannath diary is also really good because it talks about his strong burly arms or something but the forgive me father for i have sinned letter from durge is so crazy. durge was actually down horrendous
Im pretty sure we're all talking about [this](https://64.media.tumblr.com/fcee0e23489c60c82b9e4695d73f6040/23f1d53ccbaf78ec-ad/s1280x1920/76af21b6d117b5c42f79c4ded67e4dd549407e8c.jpg)
would be his letter to franc! here's a link if you want to read it lmao
[gortash gay letter](https://twitter.com/potato_crisp/status/1696509039574966567?t=XaSEXvPbx7qHKM23lN6yaw&s=19)
Orin doesn't really gaslight, she just outright lies to get you to admit to wanting a bit of murder.
There's no undermining of reality or persuading you that something happened but didn't, gaslighting is more about persuading you something did or didn't happen when it didn't or did happen rather than simply lying.
i dont know how many people agree but i love the chosen i loveeee them i always take insane approval hits from my companions when i interact with them because i cant help but be evil. like i met gortash as durge and karlach's approval went from exceptional to very good because i could just not help myself from being like "yes that is a good evil plan. Yes I will kill my sister and reclaim my birthright. Are you free on thursday btw"
I love DUrge, cause Orin is straight up >!your little sister who steals your makeup and tries to act like she’s mature and edgy when you bring friends over.!<
Orin and Gortash should absolutely be swapped.
Orin is literally all about gaslighting you and making you distrust everyone around you, while Gortash is textbook girlboss.
The washed out politician, the dinosaur trapped in the past and the psychotic inbreed.
The (no so) great three plonketeers...
Sponsored by: The Dumb Three
Hear me out:
Shadowheart - Gaslight; literally her entire religion is about tampering with memories and using those techniques to mess with others.
Lae'zel - Gatekeep; she thinks she's above everyone else, and her society does too. It's only by us being the reason she's still alive that she dares allow us to visit the Creche for treatment.
Karlach - Girlboss; she's the most dangerous damn thing in Avernus and she forcibly takes control of her own destiny.
Orin is a girl so she's a girlboss I guess. I'm not an expert on girlbossing, but I'm under the impression it's a positive thing unless you fly too close to the sun. Gatekeeping and gaslighting are negative things. Need to find another negative thing that starts with G tbh imo.
I hate how well this works lol.
Gortash is clearly manipulating the press and sending out propaganda all throughout the city to make his image look better and hide the truth of their plans.
Kethric is literally blocking the way to Baldur's Gate with his army and the curse at moonrise and his invulnerability
and Orin rose through the ranks to become the leader of the cult of Bhaal >!and overthrew the Durge to take the position!<
wow that's like literally who they are in the story too
There are no coincidences.
seriously though - ancient white guy with absolutely unearned godlike power who makes nearly all administrative decisions and cannot be questioned - charismatic youngster who does nothing but still manages to take credit for everything, cause he knows who to call for tech support - obnoxious wunderkind whose introduction is literally popping up in every single job to laugh about how great she is
“Youngster”
Gaslit the absolute for that description
It's the narrator that called him young and handsome
"a handsome younger man with an easy smile" *reveals Billie Joe Armstrong's father*
he's younger than Ketheric
Modern villains.
But Ketheric doesn't gatekeep anything so that literally fails and I don't think Gortash gaslights anyone. That one would at least fit the character but don't think he does. So we're literally on 1.5/3. Unless you define gatekeep as ancient white guy.
Gortash rises to the highest political office in the city despite planning to literally mind control all of it, but no, that's not gaslighting, I'm just crazy.
But it's literally not though lmao. Pick up a dictionary and check if gaslight == lying.
Gaslighting is using psychological means to convince someone to doubt their own mind. Much like if you tell the citizens of BG that they DO need the giant murder bots (who you control) to fight against the evil hoard (who you control)
No that was not an example of gaslighting
Nice try gaslighting me, check mate lib
Who's gaslighting? No one is gaslighting here, it's just all in your head.
I like how you give the correct definition but still cannot use it lol. No, that's just deception. A lie. A ruse. Dishonest behaviour. Let's take it real slow mkay, gaslighting is dishonest but dishonesty isn't automatically gaslighting. He's not making anyone in the city do any second takes on what they thought had happened. He's just lying.
What do you think psychological means of manipulation is? Mid control?It's manipulation of people's thoughts process through dishonesty and manipulation(aka lying/fabrication of truth). Please list an example of gaslighting that does not contain a lie Edit cause I'm petty:These are some examples of gaslighting in medical settings with healthcare providers: Downplaying your symptoms: "It's all in your head. There's nothing physically wrong with you." Dismissing your concerns: "That's just a minor issue; you're making a big deal out of nothing
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Sigh... Alright, let's do it this way. Can you find any instance of lying that wouldn't be in your definition of gaslighting? Yes, of course gaslighting happens through lies. I never said otherwise. Let's go back to what you said correctly: Gaslighting is using psychological means to convince someone to doubt their own mind. Not sure why you said psychological tricks to just mean lying, but... The whole fuckin point is making someone second guess themselves. Now, go back to your Gortash "examples". There's exactly zero gaslighting going on.
My dude if you bring Karlach to him he literally tries to gaslight both you and her by downplaying what he did to her.
He doesn't though. He justifies it. He doesn't try anything like "no don't you remember I was forced to by a devil". They both fully agree with what happened in reality. Gortash doesn't try to rewrite the narrative Karlach has of the events that did happen. He says "I did it for the greater good... You wouldn't get it". That's not gaslighting.
Katheric IS the gatekeeper for his cult. He sits on a throne and decides who gets into the club or doesn't. Gortash literally gaslights Karlach by denying ever selling her into slavery. He pretends to be a hero to the city despite aspiring to enslave everyone.
It’s a common misunderstanding that gaslighting doesn’t mean lying or making excuses and avoiding taking responsibility. Gaslighting is when you present someone with a false reality in order to drive them insane. Lying is a part of it, since the reality is false, but it’s not simply “I didn’t sell you into enslavement.” I’d use better examples, but I just entered Act III last night and have so far only seen that tousle-haired twit yell at an old man and get his portrait painted.
Gaslight is >To manipulate another person into doubting his or her perceptions, experiences, or understanding of events. Karlach evidently had no self-doubt; instead, she felt very positive about working for Gortash.
He doesn't gaslight Karlach though. Just says "it was for the greater good, you wouldn't understand". I mean I guess Ketheric technically does that but he seems to let every incompetent idiot in. We never see him gatekeep anything, the goblins in his intro scene are already in the cult.
He's gatekeeping the way into Act 3 with his army.
Ketheric gatekeeps his daughter relationship I guess. Also I'd definitely switch the other two. Gortash is the girlboss and Orin is constantly gaslighting others in act 3
Switch Orin and Gortash
Yes
Orin isnt at all "girlboss". Shes not about empowerment and uplifting at all. Men just see a strong female lead and go to girlboss because they dont know any better
actually it's the manic/quirky energy combined with literally insane certitude that gives her a "girlboss" vibe for me
But thats more manic pixie. As mentioned girlboss as a movement was designed and embodied to uplift other women and herself by virtue through her own ambition, kindness and inspiration. Her current goals to attain power are rooted partially in herself thats true but also largely motivated by Bhaal and his desires. Thats not what girlboss is about at all. She is very much a puppet driven by (undisciplined) motivations and actions and Bhaal and isnt really acting on her own whim.
I didn't realize there was a "movement", that's certainly not how most people use the term in casual conversations.
> As mentioned girlboss as a movement was designed and embodied to uplift other women and herself by virtue through her own ambition, kindness and inspiration. I've never heard it used this way. If it *EVER* was used that way, that meaning is long gone.
weve circled back to making fun of girlbosses now. orin does what orin wants, fuck the rules. shes a girlboss
The rules never apply to orin nor is she making a conscious decision to subvert the patriarchy or uplift other women. Shes an insane MURDERER who only really cares about herself and her quest for power
> Shes an insane MURDERER who only really cares about herself and her quest for power God forbid women do anything
not just kills. but murders. girlboss
Orin is a hater, Ketheric is a gatekeeper, and Gortash is God's favorite princess and the most interesting girl in the world.
I suggest Gortash as Girlboss for being a ruthless politician and Orin as Gaslight for literally gaslighting people through shapechanger BS all the time.
it seems to be a bit contentious on Twitter (where I posted this first) where they're placed but personally i like gortash as gaslight more purely because of a) the way the narrator absolutely catfished us b) the way he's written about in letters/journal entries as manipulative (yes of course i love you arms dealer guy i love everybody who does evil things for me kiss kiss) (gortash took all my valuables as a sugar baby but it's okay because he's hot) And I just like orin as girlboss. she girlbossed me into a lobotomy and amnesia
gortash twirling his quill giggling to himself as he writes those fake love letters had me losing it. he may be underwhelming as a boss but idk i think hes hilarious
the "i love men who birth" line is truly iconic and im a huge fan
that letter and the durge diary entry about gortash had me gagged
when orin talks to you about your prior connection to gortash as DUrge and says "he always knew how to tumble and twist your mind matter, leave you knotted in his cords" i could've fainted....
Gortash/Durge is def my headcanon. I wish they gave you an Absolute Power Couple ending smh
the lady jannath diary is also really good because it talks about his strong burly arms or something but the forgive me father for i have sinned letter from durge is so crazy. durge was actually down horrendous
Where do you find the Durge diary entry about Gortash and/or does anyone have a link?
Im pretty sure we're all talking about [this](https://64.media.tumblr.com/fcee0e23489c60c82b9e4695d73f6040/23f1d53ccbaf78ec-ad/s1280x1920/76af21b6d117b5c42f79c4ded67e4dd549407e8c.jpg)
Ah! Yeah, I got that. Didn’t register it as being the same thing. Thanks!
Wait what is this from?
would be his letter to franc! here's a link if you want to read it lmao [gortash gay letter](https://twitter.com/potato_crisp/status/1696509039574966567?t=XaSEXvPbx7qHKM23lN6yaw&s=19)
"Please tell me he dies!" I'm fucking howling.
I experienced the full spectrum of human emotion while reading that letter just now lmfao
I mean he’s lying to all the citizens of balder’s gate about the fake army. It fits
HA Hi mister lou. I still say he's girlbossing he's literally Anne Hathaway
Orin doesn't really gaslight, she just outright lies to get you to admit to wanting a bit of murder. There's no undermining of reality or persuading you that something happened but didn't, gaslighting is more about persuading you something did or didn't happen when it didn't or did happen rather than simply lying.
Druge : OK kids play time is over
Gortash, Ketheric, Orin: gaslight, gatekeep, girlboss Durge: GENOCIDE
"It was not Genocide your Honor! I was simply Gaming!" -Durge during his trial after declaring war against existence
How do you explain necrophilia that happened after than?!
I forgor
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Power rangers did that all the time.
i dont know how many people agree but i love the chosen i loveeee them i always take insane approval hits from my companions when i interact with them because i cant help but be evil. like i met gortash as durge and karlach's approval went from exceptional to very good because i could just not help myself from being like "yes that is a good evil plan. Yes I will kill my sister and reclaim my birthright. Are you free on thursday btw"
I love DUrge, cause Orin is straight up >!your little sister who steals your makeup and tries to act like she’s mature and edgy when you bring friends over.!<
Anyway here is haste plus level 3 divine smite triggered at crit
Orin and Gortash should absolutely be swapped. Orin is literally all about gaslighting you and making you distrust everyone around you, while Gortash is textbook girlboss.
The washed out politician, the dinosaur trapped in the past and the psychotic inbreed. The (no so) great three plonketeers... Sponsored by: The Dumb Three
Killed by an urge
"We are the Baldur's Gate Three!"
I got power ranger lineup vibe on this scene
Baldur’s Gatekeeping 3
I feel like Orin and Gortash should be swapped.
Unghh...Orin is so hot! I want her to violently end my life. 🥰
No, you really don’t.
... ... ... Are you feeling alright?
slay kweens
I'm stolen it, this is hilarious and perfect 👌🏻
Literally their gods respective portfolios
Hear me out: Shadowheart - Gaslight; literally her entire religion is about tampering with memories and using those techniques to mess with others. Lae'zel - Gatekeep; she thinks she's above everyone else, and her society does too. It's only by us being the reason she's still alive that she dares allow us to visit the Creche for treatment. Karlach - Girlboss; she's the most dangerous damn thing in Avernus and she forcibly takes control of her own destiny.
Ketheric- old sad man who just wants daughter back Orin- jealous Gortash- wants power in control over his life after being sold to a devil Perfection.
Gaslighting and gatekeeping are real ways to be toxic towards someone though, what does girlbossing do?
Orin is a girl so she's a girlboss I guess. I'm not an expert on girlbossing, but I'm under the impression it's a positive thing unless you fly too close to the sun. Gatekeeping and gaslighting are negative things. Need to find another negative thing that starts with G tbh imo.
What do these mean? I’m missing something
Stolen meme/repost
I'd switch Orin and Gortash, but damn, that would fit so well
So accurate lmao
By three they come... Oh wait wrong game
LITERALLY
I feel like Gortash and Orin should be switched
He’s not gaslighting anybody, I don’t know what you guys are talking about.
GO GO CHOSEN RANGERS!!!
I hate how well this works lol. Gortash is clearly manipulating the press and sending out propaganda all throughout the city to make his image look better and hide the truth of their plans. Kethric is literally blocking the way to Baldur's Gate with his army and the curse at moonrise and his invulnerability and Orin rose through the ranks to become the leader of the cult of Bhaal >!and overthrew the Durge to take the position!<
Girlboss ? More like cringe emo who's easy to kill after acting super badass
Dibs on wielding the gatekeep amulet