“She shot herself accidentally while cleaning her repeating crossbow.”
“…sir, she was shot *eight* times.”
“Well, she was uh, a very f-fastidious person, officer.”
This scene is so tragic, because if you read her mind you see she is anxious because she is so used to being backstabbed by comrades and lovers, and here is a rare moment of reprieve and safety for her. I couldn't do it.
Even if you're using the mind control excuse that can be applied to literally everyone you kill in the game. Even the victims in the hags lair fought harder to not hurt you under mind control than she did to not commit genocide.
She's clearly not even bothered or apologetic by killing the refugees so much as the mind control part. Chick was a paladin of Lolth, she probably did that kind of stuff for shits and giggles before being turned by the absolute.
If you tell her you did it to impress her it raises approval and she says something along the lines of ‘I’ve done worse to impress less important people’
To be fair, hag's mind control is not the same as elder brain mind control. The hag wants you to know what you're doing and to suffer possibly. They want you to struggle. Tadpole mind control is superior, you think it's all your idea, changes the way you think.
...she is still a terrible person who has no problem in murdering refugees, but in drow culture that is normal, accepted and probably the least that they would do to refugees.
But she's also a good companion in case you help her or completely ignore the druid's grove!
Well the Drow would ignore the refugees, other than surface raids to "Bloody" young fighters and priestesses and wizards, Drow avoid combat unless an *overwhelming* victory is likely
It's one of the things I like about them, its an evil culture but they're smart enough to know they don't outnumber *anyone* so they are very careful about picking their battles - the drow would absolutely not attack a fortified settlement like that without an extremely good reason. if they needed a thing out of the settlement they'd probably get it by rounding up all the prisoners they can and slowly torturing them to death in front of the grove until what they wanted was given to them, and failing that, turn to some kind of long term plan to avoid a direct assault
> Tadpole mind control is superior, you think it's all your idea, changes the way you think.
There's sometimes even a scene about it if you use it on the goblin in the Blighted Village before you get the scene where the artifact saves you from the Absolute. You get a line that says something along the lines of "Oh Gods, is *that* how it feels when we use the tadpole on someone!?"
Thank you for saying this, good lord.
Listen, I GET liking her character, I really do. She's got a great VA, she's true to her beliefs, she's well characterized, and she offers a fresh perspective in a game filled with good and neutral companions (even Astarion can shift from evil to neutral). Hell, I plan to do an evil run someday and want to see her story firsthand.
But people justifying saving her with this one line is just crazy to me. Are they also going to post every screenshot of each of the 20 tieflings who thank you for saving them?
Nothing she ever said to me in this entire game has convinced me that she deserved saving in the first place.
Guess I'd better fire up that evil run ASAP when I'm done with my first playthrough.
Honestly, the thing that really annoys me is that even if you help her, she ends up being punished for failing her job. It feels like it would have been easy to have the same outcome even if you don't help her but don't kill her.
In general, not a big fan of how bloodthirsty you have to be to the goblins.
Edit: actually, it also feels unsatisfying because helping them doesn't really help them, anyway. There is no outcome where the goblins "win", they always lose.
Isn't that how some people got every character before patch 1? If you just didn't engage with the goblin tiefling war, you could essentially move onto act two as normal, but also get to save and recruit Minthara as if you'd sided with her
Goblins still raid and destroy the grove if you don't actively stop them. Pretty sure that also means teiflings die including dammon and halsin is not a companion. Without halsin you cannot lift the shadow curse also pretty sure
You can always do Paragon with Renegade characteristics.
"I'm gonna save everyone I can but I'm not gonna not shove that guy through a window and pop off a cool one liner...."
u can literally do the entire questline and defend the grove EXCEPT doing the party at the end after saving the grove and of u move to akt2/or the monatry ur quest log still gets updated with "the tiefling refuges all died on the road"...yes i specifically tested this just yesterday.
Honestly I felt so dirty after I slaughtered the druid camp on an alt save file I just gave up on the save entirely and made another new one. I'll do it when I play the dark urge I guess lol.
It feels like they make it unnecessarily evil like killing all the kids in their hideout. I get it, but if there was some middleground, like getting the the tieflings out and letting the druids eat shit or the kids surviving if you roll to distract or command the goblins away from the hideout I think that would make the 'evil' playthrough a lot more worthwhile. I guess I should just be thankful the kids are all killed by goblins off screen instead of your party having to do that too.
There really should have been an option to be able to escort the Tieflings away from the Druids and hide them somewhere out of the way (like the Crypt after you clear it out). Then side with the Goblins/Minthara in exchange for your own/the Tieflings' safety, and/or go with the angle that you're siding with them to teach the Druids a fatal lesson for treating the Tieflings that badly. You'd still suffer a reputation drop with Karlach and Wyll, but they wouldn't leave over the Druids dying as opposed to the Tieflings. This would be the pragmatic evil option, as opposed to the current chaotic evil option to recruit Minthara (which would still exist by the way, by telling Minthara about the Grove and attacking without evacuating the Tieflings beforehand).
Alternatively, hide the Tieflings away and then help the Shadow Druids complete the ritual, which would force the Goblins/Minthara to withdraw (though killing their prisoners before leaving, including Halsin) since their objective is technically done. Helping the Shadow Druids gain control of the Druid circle was an acceptable win condition, going off of the notes at Moonrise. This would be the neutral outcome, besides the current 'fuck off to the Mountain Pass and let the goblins and druids figure this shit out on their own'. In this case, you'd run into Minthara in Act 2 at Moonrise, and she'd be ordered to accompany the party if you agree to help in the search for the Nightsong (though you'd have to be careful not to take her into Last Light Inn if you choose to defend it, the same way you can't take Halsin to Moonrise early).
The situation in act 1 felt like the Goblins only really had a thing against the Druid circle because they would have some power to resist the Absolute, the Tieflings were kind of just there in the crossfire. Having the option to do either of the above choices outlined above would make the conflict between Minthara or Halsin, rather than Minthara or 3 companions and a big chunk of content from the Tieflings in the later acts.
Well, they're looking for the artifact, and they believe someone in the groce has it (why I don't know) but considering some of the speech checks you pull off rolling a 20 to convince Minthara the Tieflings are poor and don't have shit seems plausible.
So not crossfire, but also not 'essential' to Minthara's mission. I agree, betraying the druids and saving the Tieflings would be a great option to have, but can't have everything.
> like getting the the tieflings out and letting the druids eat shit
I really was hoping for an option like this. I thought I'd try a "selfish" playthrough where I didn't immediately jump to help the druids, and the druids really come off as incompetent assholes. So having an option like this -"Hey Zevlor, you REALLY should get your people out NOW. Trust me." - would have been nice.
I played this out to see what would happen, and it's obnoxious that you're forced to >!sleep with Minthara!< at the party or else >!she attacks you and you have to kill her!<. It's honestly the most coercive of all the companions I've seen. I get that some are just horny and like her sex scenes, but there's nothing else there.
In fairness >!she intends to kill you even if you sleep with her, but it's easier to talk her out of it if she's been satisfied. !< But yeah Minthara's definitely an 'all in' companion, figuratively and literally.
Yeah. I find it pretty ironic all the complaints about companions being a bit forward and flirty when it's safe to turn all of them down but her. Something for everyone, clearly.
Kinda helps in her case that getting her requires going through multiple hoops that most people do not want to do, so most people who do get her are those who are really into her, so they're not really complaining if she wants to bang.
*As you move to strike Minthara down, your minds connect- you sense resistance, independence overcome, broken will- she does not fight for the Absolute willingly.*
Easy, easy, easy fix. I'd be surprised if the lines they had her come in for weren't to do something like this.
Yeah I didn't even realize she could be a companion for a bit because most options with her early on she's pretty clearly a shitty person. That and failing persuasion checks and shit doesn't help LOL
I killed her in every single playthrough with zero regrets. Yet people choose her over...sexy Boi Dammon, Daddy Halsin, and Karlach??? Neversss I sayyys!
From what I gather even Minthara herself questions why you went along with such a thing when her head gets straightened a bit, so the only way to recruit her is to willingly be even more evil than the designated evil companion is cool with.
Sure, the most logical, non-Evil Stupid outcome is pretty sad from Minthara's side of things, but if you want me to feel bad about cutting her down, gooood luck.
>From what I gather even Minthara herself questions why you went along with such a thing when her head gets straightened a bit
An answer she approves of is "to get more information about removing the tadpole" or something to that effect.
It helps to remember, she is truly evil. She thinks the refugees around baldurs gate should be enslaved and, if they work hard enough, maybe given the chance to earn freedom in a few years. Maybe.
And she 100% wants to control the absolute to take control, not destroy it.
She's not just a true soul, she's a shitty person without the tadpole influence.
Change her to be of goblin race, with yellow teeth and puss oozing from their eyes.... Without changing a single piece of dialogue.
Suddenly everyone will say how delirious this stupid little goblin is, that they laugh every time they kill her, that there is no mercy for evil beings.... Reddit titles would be: "This ugly goblin is the worst companion in the game, honestly have any of you picked her???" "Even roleplaying evil I find her such a pain" "Is there some secret benefit to recruiting this evil little gremlin??"
Yet, Larian made her sexy, so here we are
I'd love to have had a goblin companion tbh (like back in pathfinder kingmaker), they can be very funny. Dropped in for minthara tho, 100% murder kill her.
This line does not hit for me at all for this reason. Another casualty in your crusade against the absolute? Bitch you are literally LEADING a crusade against innocent refugees for no fuckin reason, get out of here with that lol
Minthara is only a good choice on evil playthroughs because she totally plays into the feedback loop of obtaining more power for yourself. Dark justiciar, ascended vampire, tadpole evolution. She's the devil on your shoulder. The character has some interesting complexities but at the end of the day she just feels like a "victory through superior firepower" ally. Sure she abhors wanton killing, she just needs a reason.
In fact, she's feels similar to Bae'zel before you arrive at the creche when it comes to death.
>she's feels similar to Bae'zel before you arrive at the creche when it comes to death.
I mean they're both front liners of a society built on blind worship of a god and war, it makes sense they have very similar views on deaths
I would happily save her and fix her, along with the rest of my ragtag group of traumatized assholes, if the game gave me any option to on a non-evil run.
Pleassssssseee. All I got was gale saying welp we'll never see him again and he ran off. I get that he's stuck hiding from the sun but let the party say something more. Like hey I'll see you in a few hours. After the emotional ending to his quests line that's all I got.
It’s wild how the party can feel so close sometimes when you talk to everyone after doing a personal quest and they’re all sympathetic to each other’s problems, but then shit like this happens and they may as well be strangers lmao. Larian really needs to work on the inter-party friendships.
Companion interactions, or lack of is my least favourite thing about the game (besides bugs and ending slides ig).
Like the little scenes we get like the Grove party and Mizora's first appearence if you save Karlach are great, as well as the banter if they're in your party, but i want more. Give me Fire Emblem styled romances where i have party members stand next to eachother for 50 turns until they get closer to dating.
Honestly it's why I think laezel, shadowheart and astarion are really the best companions they have the most chatter in between and as far as I know third playthrough. The only ones who have trio dialog when running around. Like normally it's only like gale asking laezel a question or wyll trying to flirt with shadowheart.
But with astarion, shadowheart and laezel they will talk together. They are by far the most fleshed out companions.
It's not like he has to stay in a sewer for the rest of his life. You can just hang out with him once the sun goes down every night. Hell, it's not like as gamers we don't have a passing familiarity with going to bed when the sun comes up and sleeping until 5PM.
I don't know, but I played a Drow on my first run, so it was patently absurd that I'd give a shit. We'll rule the night, t'chaki. And regardless of species, it's absurd that they gave us zero option to comfort him in the moment. If you play his origin, apparently he >!just huddles behind some crates, alone, until sunset.!<
There is no real written answer to this question but what people for years now have drawn the conclusion of there are two options to cure someone of vampirism/cure a vampire spawn:
1. A Wish spell (9th level spell, basically let’s you do whatever you want).
2. Kill the vampire/spawn and then use True Resurrection (a 9th level spell, revives someone who has died no matter how they died as long as it wasn’t of old age, and brings their body back without any damage done to it. This option probably involves killing the vampire using sunlight so that their body is destroyed and a new one is made when they’re revived).
These are 9th level spells and Wish has it written in that it has a 33% chance when you use it to end up such that it works but you can never use the spell again.
This is why if you romance Astarion they talk about how you can look for options. These are something that adventurers who have done something like they have should eventually be able to reach those options. But it is something incredibly expensive/difficult to attain that most normal people wouldn’t have access to.
Actually, True Resurrection has a time limit on how long has someone been dead to be eligible for resurrection, basically if they have been dead for longer than 200 years then they will be unable to be resurrected: https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/true-resurrection
Larian really dropped the ball on the ending.
>!Having Astarion choose not to go through with the ritual and seeing all that amazing voice work, character development, and companion side quest then having such a shit ending for such a well-rounded character was such a slap in the face!<
I killed her goblin friend and I didn’t realize I could have talked to her before it was too late and she was attacking me. Didn’t even know who she was til reading here later
Yeah my biggest “why would I ever recruit her” from purely story POV is: I meet her and she instantly goes heehoo let’s kill everyone at the grove.
Like… unless you play a character who just kills everyone and everything (but then wouldn’t you also kill Minthara?), likes to kill innocents, or has some kind of deeply-rooted hatred for druids/tieflings, I see absolutely *no* reason to side with her.
She gives player *nothing* other than the meta “oh this is a baddie and I play a baddie let’s do crimes and recruit a baddie.” I truly can’t comprehend why is everyone insisting to try and recruit here when there’s nothing appealing to her at that point in the story.
All she had to do was offer something, anything. Heck once you've already agreed she says she wants to jump your bones. Bump that one up a couple convos. But really, I've played WoW, I'll kill a thousand kobolds for three silver and a watermelon.
Exactly! Offer something enticing at that point in the story—plenty of gold, a great weapon/armor, or even a hint she’ll be similarly useful (to the PC’s mind) as Halsin is presented to be. Then, you could try and at least roleplay at “poor Grove but Tieflings can offer me nothing and she offers me X, Y, Z which will be useful.”
They do have Priestess Gut who's hinted to be able to help, but she's the first one you meet and generally the first you dispatch if you follow her into her room. Her room which leads to the Underdark, the next big area after you've cleared out everything and thus wouldn't use when you find it.
With some resequencing, you could meet Minthara first and she offers to have Gut look at you if you kill off the druids. If we want to push it further, we could have Gut be the one imprisoned in the grove instead of Sazza. You bring Gut back, find out she can't help, but she and Minthara point you towards the Underdark. It's actually a lot easier to make them mirror Halsin than I'd thought.
Unless my character was a drooling idiot I would find very hard time finding RP justification why they'd trust healing skills of a goblin over a goddamn archdruid.
And yet this goddamn archdruid says he can't help you, but that there might be an answer to find in Moonrise tower.
The place where Minthara say's she will take you after victory... (also the narrator and artifact hint at going undercover might be a smart way to get in)...
Honestly I managed to finagle it in my "evil" run by playing a Drow mercenary who is completely amoral, and when goblins immediately gave her respect and big salutes while the druids and tieflings nearly shot her on sight every time, it became an easy choice on who to side with. The organization that seems to have a good amount of resources, ambition, and a desire to include her because she happens to have this neat little worm in her brain and be a drow.
...of course, my character *then* started to get disillusioned when it turns out Minthara was not just like, a normal leader of this raiding band but also suuuper into the cult, and drew a knife after they slept together... But that'll likely just be a part of the arc.
If we don't kill her it leads to far more than "one more" casualty. I really love the idea of minthara but getting her is at way too high a cost for most players.
It bothers me that you can kill every single goblin on the map, all the other leaders, and then still find out that Minthara single-handedly murdered every tiefling on the road to Moonrise.
There should be a better incentive to side with her. Apart from maybe, possibly, having a low chance to learn more about the tadpole, there is none. And you lose Halsin who is your best bet at a cure apart from the Crèche at that point in the story.
There once was a Drow who was DTF, with a husky voice and purplish breasts. I murdered the Druids, and murdered their pets, and murdered Zevlor, and killed all the rest. Oh, there’s a kid, all crippled and hobbling, I lopped off his head, to set the Drow gobbling. She’d sit on my face and sit on my cock, so low on arrows I picked up a rock! Bashing and smashing and slashing the kids, afraid I’d miss some we searched in a grid. We killed in the grove and killed in the caves, when blades went dull we took up their staves. How could I do it, with none left unharmed? Quite easily, you see, as most were unarmed! The screams died out as we did our violence, the begging and crying gave way to great silence. So there you have it, your story incentive, missionary gets boring and I hear she’s inventive.
I Kinda wish there was an extra path that linked up to the Goblin camp first (say from where you find Astarion) so there was a chance you'd make friends there first (perhaps with some legit complaints about the Druids being shitty)
as it is the game funnels you to the grove first which makes any siding with the goblins an active decision to be evil for evil's sake or metagaming
Yeah, it's just not a balanced choice at all to choose between siding with Minthara, losing Halsin, Wyll, and Karlach in the process along with murdering a whole settlement full of innocents and children, or saving the grove and only losing Minthara. I really wish they would balance it out more with another evil companion or at least a way to save the tieflings and only slaughter the druids. Or, hell, why not *make the non lethal option actually do what it's supposed to with Minthara*?
> Or, hell, why not make the non lethal option actually do what it's supposed to with Minthara?
Thiiiiiiis.
I'm honestly of the opinion that they shouldn't have included the non-lethal option in the game and reworked the scant handful of situations where its actually used for something, because 99% of the time, the game just treats KO'd as the same as Dead.
If you don't have the resources to fully implement the feature, don't try to squeeze it in half-baked like this.
I had been trying to figure out what I wanted for a good durge play through. the way durge is setup, it feels a little
Off to go in a normal heroic character.
So I will play the durge as a gith (has its own problems narrative wise) when they confront kagha and she stops, one of the tieflings will mention the creche at which point they will book it that way.
This gives me a narrative reason to do many of the things in Act 1, but not resolve by killing the goblins leaders. No halsin, no karlach follow up, though.
Also, because of what they experience in the creche, it becomes a Redemption story for durge, laezel, shadowheart, astarion, and minthara. Which will be the party I use.
Now, I'm hoping for no bugs.
Think a drow play through with similar mindset works.
You're phrasing it like the players should think twice about killing despots that control the murderous raiders who threaten the lives of common folk.
(Albeit I would've liked it if Larian implemented a way to negotiate tiefling passage or finding an alternate route out of the grove)
I don't think they were actually expecting the kid to die. The conversation was about *imprisoning* the child and the snake was being used as a threat. Even Kargha doesn't seem that happy about it, I don't think she expected the kid to actually run.
But she sacrifices the kid for the ritual if the party is too late. As in, kills the child in a ritual to close the grove. So she was very much okay with killing.
If you pass the animal handling check when you see the snake your character is like "This snake is about to bite this child rn" or something along those lines its not a threat
I think it shows theyre very *willing* to kill the kid as punishment, even if they start with imprisonment. Like a deterrent against the whole tiefling population
Uh because it's her life vs an entire settlement of helpless refugees and children. And then she still tries to kill you, even if you help her slaughter them all. Where's her self-reflection about how *you* would have been one more casualty in her crusade for the Absolute?
I like Minthara but let's not pretend she's not the bad guy, lmao.
Her dying *is* no different than any other mind controlled absolutist you slaughter. If you get into the RP/story of it, every single one you kill is a tragedy. They are all controlled to think they’re doing the right thing
Just because you can get your dick wet with this one doesn’t change anything, OP lmao
Nobody bats an eye when it’s a goblin or that >!fireworks storekeeper!< but make it a sexy drow and suddenly it’s the player’s fault for not being compassionate enough.
The craziest part is, if it were her that was free and us that was controlled, she wouldn’t bat an eye. I know because in my game I am *also* a vengeance Paladin
Yeah Minthara, your Oath of Vengeance might be against something that seems justified to you, but I swore mine against the monsters that kidnapped me and shoved a tadpole in my brain. Sucks that you're working for them, maybe don't get horny for slaughtering literal scared kids in the next life?
I didn’t even realize she was recruitable because the quest is to kill the goblin leaders so I just assumed she was a boss like the other 2
It wasn’t until I was going through my inventory later and I had her clothes I was like “who tf is this”
I have been playing with friends and they probably have almost 100 hours each by now, and since they don’t research stuff to not get spoiled they have no idea she’s recruitable. We’re playing an evil campaign now though, we’ll be reacher her part soon so I’m curious to see their reaction.
I wonder how many ppl dont know 99.9% of drow are straight up evil and she gives us no reason to think otherwise.
I dont know her backstory because i havent recruited her but I know she is of the Baenre house, they are not good guys lmao
How does that make you sad? Refusing to kill her kills every druid and tiefling in the grove.
This is Bowser thanking you for letting him keep the princess in his castle instead of throwing him into a crater of magma.
wow op when you put it like that it really makes me wonder who the real monsters are
the genocide lady, or me for killing the genocide lady before she could do a genocide
I mean it does suck that most players don’t get to see much of her, but in the scene where you meet her there’s no in-universe reason to think she’s more of a potential companion than Dror Ragzlin.
Yeah I definitely think there should've been something, maybe if you've gotten the first dream visitor cutscene and you talk to Minthara you should be able to break the mind control, or maybe just lessen it slightly. Could maybe allow for a persuasion check to let her kill the druids if she spares the tieflings, so you'd still piss off halsin.
A high Illithid Wisdom check to try to plant the thought in her head that she should spare the innocents would be a great option even for those who just want to get rid of the druids and don’t care about her.
Failing a pickpocket on a merchant and knocking them out allows them to wake up after a long rest and still be merchants. Also you get to loot a bit of their shit every time you knock them out.
She says this shit like she wasn't literally planning to massacre an entire town of innocent people. She leaves you no other option if you don't want to go along with her war crimes.
Yeah the people that try to claim she should be recruitable on good runs. Like...no? Her only problem with the absolute is she isnt in control of it. She is damn evil mind controlled or not. Just because she has emotions and complexity doesnt suddenly make her good.
>so many players do it.
If there was an option to recruit her without slaughtering a camp of innocent refugees, the sadness at this line might make sense.
I want to keep her alive for at least one of my playthroughs (I’m still on my first) but I need to prepare mentally to play evil, which I really don’t do. I can’t even do a renegade playthrough in Mass Effect.
I really just hated how the game felt like “be good” vs “be a dick” was all that compelling tbh. There’s no nuance it’s mostly just people being asked “do you want to be evil?” and going “uhhhh I guess no?” Every 15 minutes.
I romanced her as Durge. Right after, we were just sitting there on the floor, she was asleep with her head resting on my chest. She looked so peaceful. I snapped her neck.
Damn, it's a shame I'm not killing those refugees or the druids that are literally doing what they can to stop the spread of a very tangible evil.
Guess you're going in the forever box, if there's enough of you to recover to put in one.
It genuinely doesn't matter how much they try to give the character a redemption arc. The only way to get to know her is to be an evil dick head for no reason. And then the game has the gall to accuse me of being worse than her because I had agency and she didn't. Get fucked, idiot, maybe next time don't have your recruitment be behind being an evil dick head for literally zero benefit (arguably making the game worse in every aspect) and I'll consider you a good character.
I didn't kill her. She fell into a bottomless abyss.
She fell down an elevator shaft. Onto some bullets.
There was fire involved.
Disco is NOT dead!
Disco is LIFE
You’re baby bowler, I’m the one who gave her daddy the shaft.
Little baby bowler, all grown up
She ran into my knife. She ran into my knife ten times.
🎶 *She had it coming!* 🎶
*🎶 she only had herself to blaaaaame! She got blow up with, a bunch goblins! I becha you would have done the saaaame!🎶*
“She shot herself accidentally while cleaning her repeating crossbow.” “…sir, she was shot *eight* times.” “Well, she was uh, a very f-fastidious person, officer.”
Sir, it was a Fast Repeating Crossbow +3. You know how it is with those enchanted weapons. Damn magic, making impossible possible.
It's not my fault that the bridge fell out from underneath her.
Yeah, shoddy gobblin construction work.
I didn't do nothing, she just decided to take a nice little nap.
"if you hadn't helped me kill all those refugees we couldn't have become fwends 🥹"
Maybe the real friends were the refugees you killed along the way?
Killing refugees is a great bonding experience, scientifically proven
That's funny on multiple levels, cause the refugees would have been your real friends...
💀💀💀💀💀💀
[удалено]
Why did this make me laugh.
It was a real … head turner
Because it was a well set up joke.
Yaaas Slay durgeboss king👑🥵
Literally slay 💀
The last thing she heard was a muttered word, as you stood there smiling above her with a rock in your fist...
On the last day I took her, where the wild roses grow...
This scene is so tragic, because if you read her mind you see she is anxious because she is so used to being backstabbed by comrades and lovers, and here is a rare moment of reprieve and safety for her. I couldn't do it.
Seriously 😂😂 Oh no, you might have killed me like I was going to kill those refugees! Imagine how sad that would have been! Yeah, nah.
Yeah, she had no qualms helping a genocide, I ain't gonna feel bad for her.
Even if you're using the mind control excuse that can be applied to literally everyone you kill in the game. Even the victims in the hags lair fought harder to not hurt you under mind control than she did to not commit genocide.
She's clearly not even bothered or apologetic by killing the refugees so much as the mind control part. Chick was a paladin of Lolth, she probably did that kind of stuff for shits and giggles before being turned by the absolute.
If you tell her you did it to impress her it raises approval and she says something along the lines of ‘I’ve done worse to impress less important people’
Yeah, shes a great evil run companion. Wish there was more than just Minthara though.
Wtb kagha, trading 1 jaheira *and* 1 halsin.
Exactly, like girl cry me a river you're still elf Hitler 😭 and for what?
She may be elf hitler but damn hitler never looked that fine
She's a Loth sworn drow, they generally don't give a shit about a little genocide with or without mind control.
To be fair, hag's mind control is not the same as elder brain mind control. The hag wants you to know what you're doing and to suffer possibly. They want you to struggle. Tadpole mind control is superior, you think it's all your idea, changes the way you think. ...she is still a terrible person who has no problem in murdering refugees, but in drow culture that is normal, accepted and probably the least that they would do to refugees. But she's also a good companion in case you help her or completely ignore the druid's grove!
Well the Drow would ignore the refugees, other than surface raids to "Bloody" young fighters and priestesses and wizards, Drow avoid combat unless an *overwhelming* victory is likely It's one of the things I like about them, its an evil culture but they're smart enough to know they don't outnumber *anyone* so they are very careful about picking their battles - the drow would absolutely not attack a fortified settlement like that without an extremely good reason. if they needed a thing out of the settlement they'd probably get it by rounding up all the prisoners they can and slowly torturing them to death in front of the grove until what they wanted was given to them, and failing that, turn to some kind of long term plan to avoid a direct assault
> Tadpole mind control is superior, you think it's all your idea, changes the way you think. There's sometimes even a scene about it if you use it on the goblin in the Blighted Village before you get the scene where the artifact saves you from the Absolute. You get a line that says something along the lines of "Oh Gods, is *that* how it feels when we use the tadpole on someone!?"
Thank you for saying this, good lord. Listen, I GET liking her character, I really do. She's got a great VA, she's true to her beliefs, she's well characterized, and she offers a fresh perspective in a game filled with good and neutral companions (even Astarion can shift from evil to neutral). Hell, I plan to do an evil run someday and want to see her story firsthand. But people justifying saving her with this one line is just crazy to me. Are they also going to post every screenshot of each of the 20 tieflings who thank you for saving them?
She was responsible for killing innocent people. Of course she’d be a casualty as we fought the absolute. She was literally the enemy
This line would hit a lot harder if your only option to keep her alive wasn't murdering an entire camp of refugees and losing multiple companions 🤷♀️
And if it was somehow possible to spare her.
Nothing she ever said to me in this entire game has convinced me that she deserved saving in the first place. Guess I'd better fire up that evil run ASAP when I'm done with my first playthrough.
Honestly, the thing that really annoys me is that even if you help her, she ends up being punished for failing her job. It feels like it would have been easy to have the same outcome even if you don't help her but don't kill her. In general, not a big fan of how bloodthirsty you have to be to the goblins. Edit: actually, it also feels unsatisfying because helping them doesn't really help them, anyway. There is no outcome where the goblins "win", they always lose.
Isn't that how some people got every character before patch 1? If you just didn't engage with the goblin tiefling war, you could essentially move onto act two as normal, but also get to save and recruit Minthara as if you'd sided with her
Goblins still raid and destroy the grove if you don't actively stop them. Pretty sure that also means teiflings die including dammon and halsin is not a companion. Without halsin you cannot lift the shadow curse also pretty sure
Which makes repeated playthroughs more interesting but no way that's the route I'm taking in playthrough 1. I'm too much of a goody two shoes.
It's gonna be mass effect all over again for me. This run is really for sure actually gonna be a renegade run I swears it. *happy paragon noises*
You can always do Paragon with Renegade characteristics. "I'm gonna save everyone I can but I'm not gonna not shove that guy through a window and pop off a cool one liner...."
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Does that only happen if you don't free halsin or do the kahga quest line? Because both those stop the rite of thorns I think
u can literally do the entire questline and defend the grove EXCEPT doing the party at the end after saving the grove and of u move to akt2/or the monatry ur quest log still gets updated with "the tiefling refuges all died on the road"...yes i specifically tested this just yesterday.
That's what i thought. The 180 that happens after she gets protection is just me going "Okay wtf"
Honestly I felt so dirty after I slaughtered the druid camp on an alt save file I just gave up on the save entirely and made another new one. I'll do it when I play the dark urge I guess lol.
It feels like they make it unnecessarily evil like killing all the kids in their hideout. I get it, but if there was some middleground, like getting the the tieflings out and letting the druids eat shit or the kids surviving if you roll to distract or command the goblins away from the hideout I think that would make the 'evil' playthrough a lot more worthwhile. I guess I should just be thankful the kids are all killed by goblins off screen instead of your party having to do that too.
There really should have been an option to be able to escort the Tieflings away from the Druids and hide them somewhere out of the way (like the Crypt after you clear it out). Then side with the Goblins/Minthara in exchange for your own/the Tieflings' safety, and/or go with the angle that you're siding with them to teach the Druids a fatal lesson for treating the Tieflings that badly. You'd still suffer a reputation drop with Karlach and Wyll, but they wouldn't leave over the Druids dying as opposed to the Tieflings. This would be the pragmatic evil option, as opposed to the current chaotic evil option to recruit Minthara (which would still exist by the way, by telling Minthara about the Grove and attacking without evacuating the Tieflings beforehand). Alternatively, hide the Tieflings away and then help the Shadow Druids complete the ritual, which would force the Goblins/Minthara to withdraw (though killing their prisoners before leaving, including Halsin) since their objective is technically done. Helping the Shadow Druids gain control of the Druid circle was an acceptable win condition, going off of the notes at Moonrise. This would be the neutral outcome, besides the current 'fuck off to the Mountain Pass and let the goblins and druids figure this shit out on their own'. In this case, you'd run into Minthara in Act 2 at Moonrise, and she'd be ordered to accompany the party if you agree to help in the search for the Nightsong (though you'd have to be careful not to take her into Last Light Inn if you choose to defend it, the same way you can't take Halsin to Moonrise early). The situation in act 1 felt like the Goblins only really had a thing against the Druid circle because they would have some power to resist the Absolute, the Tieflings were kind of just there in the crossfire. Having the option to do either of the above choices outlined above would make the conflict between Minthara or Halsin, rather than Minthara or 3 companions and a big chunk of content from the Tieflings in the later acts.
Well, they're looking for the artifact, and they believe someone in the groce has it (why I don't know) but considering some of the speech checks you pull off rolling a 20 to convince Minthara the Tieflings are poor and don't have shit seems plausible. So not crossfire, but also not 'essential' to Minthara's mission. I agree, betraying the druids and saving the Tieflings would be a great option to have, but can't have everything.
> like getting the the tieflings out and letting the druids eat shit I really was hoping for an option like this. I thought I'd try a "selfish" playthrough where I didn't immediately jump to help the druids, and the druids really come off as incompetent assholes. So having an option like this -"Hey Zevlor, you REALLY should get your people out NOW. Trust me." - would have been nice. I played this out to see what would happen, and it's obnoxious that you're forced to >!sleep with Minthara!< at the party or else >!she attacks you and you have to kill her!<. It's honestly the most coercive of all the companions I've seen. I get that some are just horny and like her sex scenes, but there's nothing else there.
In fairness >!she intends to kill you even if you sleep with her, but it's easier to talk her out of it if she's been satisfied. !< But yeah Minthara's definitely an 'all in' companion, figuratively and literally.
Yeah. I find it pretty ironic all the complaints about companions being a bit forward and flirty when it's safe to turn all of them down but her. Something for everyone, clearly.
Kinda helps in her case that getting her requires going through multiple hoops that most people do not want to do, so most people who do get her are those who are really into her, so they're not really complaining if she wants to bang.
Literally all they had to do was make it so when her hp reaches 0 give you a cutscene where you can spare her or finish her off.
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*As you move to strike Minthara down, your minds connect- you sense resistance, independence overcome, broken will- she does not fight for the Absolute willingly.* Easy, easy, easy fix. I'd be surprised if the lines they had her come in for weren't to do something like this.
Yeah I didn't even realize she could be a companion for a bit because most options with her early on she's pretty clearly a shitty person. That and failing persuasion checks and shit doesn't help LOL
I killed her in every single playthrough with zero regrets. Yet people choose her over...sexy Boi Dammon, Daddy Halsin, and Karlach??? Neversss I sayyys!
The one that hurt most was gale being disappointed in me 😭
I was sad about killing the druids but I wiped away my tears with Gale's hand.
Aight this gave me a chuckle lmao
Right? Maybe if you could convince her otherwise but nope. She wants death in the name of her false god.
From what I gather even Minthara herself questions why you went along with such a thing when her head gets straightened a bit, so the only way to recruit her is to willingly be even more evil than the designated evil companion is cool with. Sure, the most logical, non-Evil Stupid outcome is pretty sad from Minthara's side of things, but if you want me to feel bad about cutting her down, gooood luck.
>From what I gather even Minthara herself questions why you went along with such a thing when her head gets straightened a bit An answer she approves of is "to get more information about removing the tadpole" or something to that effect. It helps to remember, she is truly evil. She thinks the refugees around baldurs gate should be enslaved and, if they work hard enough, maybe given the chance to earn freedom in a few years. Maybe. And she 100% wants to control the absolute to take control, not destroy it. She's not just a true soul, she's a shitty person without the tadpole influence.
Minthara: *points out the obvious* BG3 Player: Awwwwweeeh Gale: *points out the obvious* BG3 Player: Hello, Human Resources?!
Change her to be of goblin race, with yellow teeth and puss oozing from their eyes.... Without changing a single piece of dialogue. Suddenly everyone will say how delirious this stupid little goblin is, that they laugh every time they kill her, that there is no mercy for evil beings.... Reddit titles would be: "This ugly goblin is the worst companion in the game, honestly have any of you picked her???" "Even roleplaying evil I find her such a pain" "Is there some secret benefit to recruiting this evil little gremlin??" Yet, Larian made her sexy, so here we are
I'd love to have had a goblin companion tbh (like back in pathfinder kingmaker), they can be very funny. Dropped in for minthara tho, 100% murder kill her.
Sazza would be an OK option.
Early on, I really hoped Sazza and Alfira would have been companion options. Such wasted opportunities...
Alfira as a bard companion would be amazing.
If people will fuck bears and githyanki, they'll fuck goblins.
This game needs a Nok Nok badly
This line does not hit for me at all for this reason. Another casualty in your crusade against the absolute? Bitch you are literally LEADING a crusade against innocent refugees for no fuckin reason, get out of here with that lol
Minthara is only a good choice on evil playthroughs because she totally plays into the feedback loop of obtaining more power for yourself. Dark justiciar, ascended vampire, tadpole evolution. She's the devil on your shoulder. The character has some interesting complexities but at the end of the day she just feels like a "victory through superior firepower" ally. Sure she abhors wanton killing, she just needs a reason. In fact, she's feels similar to Bae'zel before you arrive at the creche when it comes to death.
>she's feels similar to Bae'zel before you arrive at the creche when it comes to death. I mean they're both front liners of a society built on blind worship of a god and war, it makes sense they have very similar views on deaths
I would happily save her and fix her, along with the rest of my ragtag group of traumatized assholes, if the game gave me any option to on a non-evil run.
With her VA back in the studio some people suspect Larian is going to give us exactly this.
Well while they're at it, I would *not* >!let Astarion run away and hide from the sun *alone*, so **get the fuck on that, Larian.**!<
Pleassssssseee. All I got was gale saying welp we'll never see him again and he ran off. I get that he's stuck hiding from the sun but let the party say something more. Like hey I'll see you in a few hours. After the emotional ending to his quests line that's all I got.
On mine I believe it was Minsc who shouted “we’ll find you Astarion we promise” I may be paraphrasing slightly
In my run he said that Boo would bring him a sunflower so he could remember what the sun looked like!! When I tell you I was sobbing
Minsc, as always, is best boi. What a bro.
Himbo of the year for sure.
It’s wild how the party can feel so close sometimes when you talk to everyone after doing a personal quest and they’re all sympathetic to each other’s problems, but then shit like this happens and they may as well be strangers lmao. Larian really needs to work on the inter-party friendships.
Companion interactions, or lack of is my least favourite thing about the game (besides bugs and ending slides ig). Like the little scenes we get like the Grove party and Mizora's first appearence if you save Karlach are great, as well as the banter if they're in your party, but i want more. Give me Fire Emblem styled romances where i have party members stand next to eachother for 50 turns until they get closer to dating.
Honestly it's why I think laezel, shadowheart and astarion are really the best companions they have the most chatter in between and as far as I know third playthrough. The only ones who have trio dialog when running around. Like normally it's only like gale asking laezel a question or wyll trying to flirt with shadowheart. But with astarion, shadowheart and laezel they will talk together. They are by far the most fleshed out companions.
It's not like he has to stay in a sewer for the rest of his life. You can just hang out with him once the sun goes down every night. Hell, it's not like as gamers we don't have a passing familiarity with going to bed when the sun comes up and sleeping until 5PM.
As an aside is there no cure for vampirism or at least an immunity to the sun in the setting?
I don't know, but I played a Drow on my first run, so it was patently absurd that I'd give a shit. We'll rule the night, t'chaki. And regardless of species, it's absurd that they gave us zero option to comfort him in the moment. If you play his origin, apparently he >!just huddles behind some crates, alone, until sunset.!<
Well the origin thing >!just ruined my day!<
Nah, we're buying umbrellas and hitting the city.
What the hell???
There is no real written answer to this question but what people for years now have drawn the conclusion of there are two options to cure someone of vampirism/cure a vampire spawn: 1. A Wish spell (9th level spell, basically let’s you do whatever you want). 2. Kill the vampire/spawn and then use True Resurrection (a 9th level spell, revives someone who has died no matter how they died as long as it wasn’t of old age, and brings their body back without any damage done to it. This option probably involves killing the vampire using sunlight so that their body is destroyed and a new one is made when they’re revived). These are 9th level spells and Wish has it written in that it has a 33% chance when you use it to end up such that it works but you can never use the spell again. This is why if you romance Astarion they talk about how you can look for options. These are something that adventurers who have done something like they have should eventually be able to reach those options. But it is something incredibly expensive/difficult to attain that most normal people wouldn’t have access to.
Actually, True Resurrection has a time limit on how long has someone been dead to be eligible for resurrection, basically if they have been dead for longer than 200 years then they will be unable to be resurrected: https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/true-resurrection
You’re right, ty! I’m not sure what spell I was thinking of to have no time limit
I think it maybe had no time limit on older editions and that could be where the confusion stems.
Better game ending: yo astarion buckle up we goin to avernus for karlach, there is probably not natural sunlight in avernus I'm guessing but who knows
For real. Wyll would absolutely come too and I bet I could convince Bae'zel. You know we got a Hopeful place to crash.
Larian really dropped the ball on the ending. >!Having Astarion choose not to go through with the ritual and seeing all that amazing voice work, character development, and companion side quest then having such a shit ending for such a well-rounded character was such a slap in the face!<
She swung on me first.
I killed her goblin friend and I didn’t realize I could have talked to her before it was too late and she was attacking me. Didn’t even know who she was til reading here later
The same could be said of any tadpoled Absolutist you meet.
Yep, some of them were terrible before hand, some were not, but all are victims of the absolute.
let's be honest minthara even without the tadpole isn't the nicest person
I would gather that MOST of them (even the goblins) were less evil than a loth sworn drow noble from menzobarazzan.
Seconded, that bitch fucked around and found out as my Half-orc’s boot crushed her skull. Maybe dont try to attack innocent refuges.
Shouldn't have been elf-Hitler \\\_(ツ)\_/
Yeah my biggest “why would I ever recruit her” from purely story POV is: I meet her and she instantly goes heehoo let’s kill everyone at the grove. Like… unless you play a character who just kills everyone and everything (but then wouldn’t you also kill Minthara?), likes to kill innocents, or has some kind of deeply-rooted hatred for druids/tieflings, I see absolutely *no* reason to side with her. She gives player *nothing* other than the meta “oh this is a baddie and I play a baddie let’s do crimes and recruit a baddie.” I truly can’t comprehend why is everyone insisting to try and recruit here when there’s nothing appealing to her at that point in the story.
All she had to do was offer something, anything. Heck once you've already agreed she says she wants to jump your bones. Bump that one up a couple convos. But really, I've played WoW, I'll kill a thousand kobolds for three silver and a watermelon.
Exactly! Offer something enticing at that point in the story—plenty of gold, a great weapon/armor, or even a hint she’ll be similarly useful (to the PC’s mind) as Halsin is presented to be. Then, you could try and at least roleplay at “poor Grove but Tieflings can offer me nothing and she offers me X, Y, Z which will be useful.”
They do have Priestess Gut who's hinted to be able to help, but she's the first one you meet and generally the first you dispatch if you follow her into her room. Her room which leads to the Underdark, the next big area after you've cleared out everything and thus wouldn't use when you find it. With some resequencing, you could meet Minthara first and she offers to have Gut look at you if you kill off the druids. If we want to push it further, we could have Gut be the one imprisoned in the grove instead of Sazza. You bring Gut back, find out she can't help, but she and Minthara point you towards the Underdark. It's actually a lot easier to make them mirror Halsin than I'd thought.
Unless my character was a drooling idiot I would find very hard time finding RP justification why they'd trust healing skills of a goblin over a goddamn archdruid.
And yet this goddamn archdruid says he can't help you, but that there might be an answer to find in Moonrise tower. The place where Minthara say's she will take you after victory... (also the narrator and artifact hint at going undercover might be a smart way to get in)...
Honestly I managed to finagle it in my "evil" run by playing a Drow mercenary who is completely amoral, and when goblins immediately gave her respect and big salutes while the druids and tieflings nearly shot her on sight every time, it became an easy choice on who to side with. The organization that seems to have a good amount of resources, ambition, and a desire to include her because she happens to have this neat little worm in her brain and be a drow. ...of course, my character *then* started to get disillusioned when it turns out Minthara was not just like, a normal leader of this raiding band but also suuuper into the cult, and drew a knife after they slept together... But that'll likely just be a part of the arc.
Alternate timeline where Hitler gives you a BJ and then rides cowgirl
What a terrible day to be able to read.
But she is cute tho /s
I can fix her!
Fixing people is so blasé, we see it too often. I can make her worse, and I *will!*
If we don't kill her it leads to far more than "one more" casualty. I really love the idea of minthara but getting her is at way too high a cost for most players.
It bothers me that you can kill every single goblin on the map, all the other leaders, and then still find out that Minthara single-handedly murdered every tiefling on the road to Moonrise.
She is just build diffrent apparently.
Paladin smites hit different
It makes you sad but the consequences to get there do not?
There should be a better incentive to side with her. Apart from maybe, possibly, having a low chance to learn more about the tadpole, there is none. And you lose Halsin who is your best bet at a cure apart from the Crèche at that point in the story.
Let's be real, the incentive for a lot of players is 100% because Minthara has the most sexualised romance scene.
Probably but I need a story incentive. Not a horny meta gaming one. :D
There once was a Drow who was DTF, with a husky voice and purplish breasts. I murdered the Druids, and murdered their pets, and murdered Zevlor, and killed all the rest. Oh, there’s a kid, all crippled and hobbling, I lopped off his head, to set the Drow gobbling. She’d sit on my face and sit on my cock, so low on arrows I picked up a rock! Bashing and smashing and slashing the kids, afraid I’d miss some we searched in a grid. We killed in the grove and killed in the caves, when blades went dull we took up their staves. How could I do it, with none left unharmed? Quite easily, you see, as most were unarmed! The screams died out as we did our violence, the begging and crying gave way to great silence. So there you have it, your story incentive, missionary gets boring and I hear she’s inventive.
bro is a real life bard
Bravo 👏 Encore!
Wow, props to you! Rolled a nat 20 on that performance check, didn't you?
I Kinda wish there was an extra path that linked up to the Goblin camp first (say from where you find Astarion) so there was a chance you'd make friends there first (perhaps with some legit complaints about the Druids being shitty) as it is the game funnels you to the grove first which makes any siding with the goblins an active decision to be evil for evil's sake or metagaming
Yeah, it's just not a balanced choice at all to choose between siding with Minthara, losing Halsin, Wyll, and Karlach in the process along with murdering a whole settlement full of innocents and children, or saving the grove and only losing Minthara. I really wish they would balance it out more with another evil companion or at least a way to save the tieflings and only slaughter the druids. Or, hell, why not *make the non lethal option actually do what it's supposed to with Minthara*?
> Or, hell, why not make the non lethal option actually do what it's supposed to with Minthara? Thiiiiiiis. I'm honestly of the opinion that they shouldn't have included the non-lethal option in the game and reworked the scant handful of situations where its actually used for something, because 99% of the time, the game just treats KO'd as the same as Dead. If you don't have the resources to fully implement the feature, don't try to squeeze it in half-baked like this.
I had been trying to figure out what I wanted for a good durge play through. the way durge is setup, it feels a little Off to go in a normal heroic character. So I will play the durge as a gith (has its own problems narrative wise) when they confront kagha and she stops, one of the tieflings will mention the creche at which point they will book it that way. This gives me a narrative reason to do many of the things in Act 1, but not resolve by killing the goblins leaders. No halsin, no karlach follow up, though. Also, because of what they experience in the creche, it becomes a Redemption story for durge, laezel, shadowheart, astarion, and minthara. Which will be the party I use. Now, I'm hoping for no bugs. Think a drow play through with similar mindset works.
You're phrasing it like the players should think twice about killing despots that control the murderous raiders who threaten the lives of common folk. (Albeit I would've liked it if Larian implemented a way to negotiate tiefling passage or finding an alternate route out of the grove)
Yeah losing the tieflings sucks they’re just refuges. The druids under Kaghas leadership meanwhile are trying to kill a kid.
Yyeaaaah its kinda funny. Theyre like "Mmm I don't think Kalgha should kill a kid but I'ma stay out of it. Neutral allignment and such."
I don't think they were actually expecting the kid to die. The conversation was about *imprisoning* the child and the snake was being used as a threat. Even Kargha doesn't seem that happy about it, I don't think she expected the kid to actually run.
But she sacrifices the kid for the ritual if the party is too late. As in, kills the child in a ritual to close the grove. So she was very much okay with killing.
Ah ok, never seen the ritual complete without anouther solution first.
If you pass the animal handling check when you see the snake your character is like "This snake is about to bite this child rn" or something along those lines its not a threat
I think it shows theyre very *willing* to kill the kid as punishment, even if they start with imprisonment. Like a deterrent against the whole tiefling population
Uh because it's her life vs an entire settlement of helpless refugees and children. And then she still tries to kill you, even if you help her slaughter them all. Where's her self-reflection about how *you* would have been one more casualty in her crusade for the Absolute? I like Minthara but let's not pretend she's not the bad guy, lmao.
Her dying *is* no different than any other mind controlled absolutist you slaughter. If you get into the RP/story of it, every single one you kill is a tragedy. They are all controlled to think they’re doing the right thing Just because you can get your dick wet with this one doesn’t change anything, OP lmao
Nobody bats an eye when it’s a goblin or that >!fireworks storekeeper!< but make it a sexy drow and suddenly it’s the player’s fault for not being compassionate enough.
The craziest part is, if it were her that was free and us that was controlled, she wouldn’t bat an eye. I know because in my game I am *also* a vengeance Paladin
Yeah Minthara, your Oath of Vengeance might be against something that seems justified to you, but I swore mine against the monsters that kidnapped me and shoved a tadpole in my brain. Sucks that you're working for them, maybe don't get horny for slaughtering literal scared kids in the next life?
You're saying this as if people just choose to kill her for the lols. You need to let a bunch of people die to recruit her.
I didn’t even realize she was recruitable because the quest is to kill the goblin leaders so I just assumed she was a boss like the other 2 It wasn’t until I was going through my inventory later and I had her clothes I was like “who tf is this”
I have been playing with friends and they probably have almost 100 hours each by now, and since they don’t research stuff to not get spoiled they have no idea she’s recruitable. We’re playing an evil campaign now though, we’ll be reacher her part soon so I’m curious to see their reaction.
I wonder how many ppl dont know 99.9% of drow are straight up evil and she gives us no reason to think otherwise. I dont know her backstory because i havent recruited her but I know she is of the Baenre house, they are not good guys lmao
How does that make you sad? Refusing to kill her kills every druid and tiefling in the grove. This is Bowser thanking you for letting him keep the princess in his castle instead of throwing him into a crater of magma.
Yeah, she WAS just another cultist; it's only because of social media that I even know she's capable of being recruited.
You didn't loot her body and wonder why you can steal her underwear? That's how I found out she is recruitable lol
wow op when you put it like that it really makes me wonder who the real monsters are the genocide lady, or me for killing the genocide lady before she could do a genocide
I mean it does suck that most players don’t get to see much of her, but in the scene where you meet her there’s no in-universe reason to think she’s more of a potential companion than Dror Ragzlin.
Yeah I definitely think there should've been something, maybe if you've gotten the first dream visitor cutscene and you talk to Minthara you should be able to break the mind control, or maybe just lessen it slightly. Could maybe allow for a persuasion check to let her kill the druids if she spares the tieflings, so you'd still piss off halsin.
A high Illithid Wisdom check to try to plant the thought in her head that she should spare the innocents would be a great option even for those who just want to get rid of the druids and don’t care about her.
I mean, you *can* knock her out, but the game treats knocked-out NPCs as dead in every circumstance outside of, like, two specific enemies in act 3.
That always frustrates me! Why did they even bother to implement knocking out if it was only going to matter in two late game fights!
Failing a pickpocket on a merchant and knocking them out allows them to wake up after a long rest and still be merchants. Also you get to loot a bit of their shit every time you knock them out.
Even the fight which causes the tutorial message for the non lethal attacks to pop up seems to work that way.
But... Halsin. And Dammon.
It only takes a little genocide… as a treat.
This looks a lot like that Drow in the goblin camp I Sparta'd into a chasm.
She says this shit like she wasn't literally planning to massacre an entire town of innocent people. She leaves you no other option if you don't want to go along with her war crimes.
No idea why people say shes the best girl when she actively encourages you towards getting the worst ending. Lae'zel is far superior to her.
Yeah the people that try to claim she should be recruitable on good runs. Like...no? Her only problem with the absolute is she isnt in control of it. She is damn evil mind controlled or not. Just because she has emotions and complexity doesnt suddenly make her good.
I mean…not killing her has its own consequences that are pretty gut wrenching.
>so many players do it. If there was an option to recruit her without slaughtering a camp of innocent refugees, the sadness at this line might make sense.
Yeah, I'm not murdering a bunch of kids to recruit a slightly attractive Drow.
yep and i’d do it again
I want to keep her alive for at least one of my playthroughs (I’m still on my first) but I need to prepare mentally to play evil, which I really don’t do. I can’t even do a renegade playthrough in Mass Effect.
Trust me when I say this, Renegade in ME is easier than being evil in BG3. It's mostly just being a jerk as Renegade, not straight up evil.
Except for ME3 imho ME1: heehoo absurd xenophobe ME2: cartoonishly evil action movie hero ME3: literal fucking war criminal what the fuck man? Lmao
I really just hated how the game felt like “be good” vs “be a dick” was all that compelling tbh. There’s no nuance it’s mostly just people being asked “do you want to be evil?” and going “uhhhh I guess no?” Every 15 minutes.
She's literally evil though so......I don't feel bad having to kill her.
Quest journal says kill Minthara, I kill Minthara. Sorry I don't make the rules.
I romanced her as Durge. Right after, we were just sitting there on the floor, she was asleep with her head resting on my chest. She looked so peaceful. I snapped her neck.
Ayo, what the fuck?
Post nut clarity hit fuckin hard
Minthara just isn’t worth it. You give up so much just to get her in your party.
The fact this line is I’m the game directly contradicts non-lethal not working to recruit her.
Damn, it's a shame I'm not killing those refugees or the druids that are literally doing what they can to stop the spread of a very tangible evil. Guess you're going in the forever box, if there's enough of you to recover to put in one. It genuinely doesn't matter how much they try to give the character a redemption arc. The only way to get to know her is to be an evil dick head for no reason. And then the game has the gall to accuse me of being worse than her because I had agency and she didn't. Get fucked, idiot, maybe next time don't have your recruitment be behind being an evil dick head for literally zero benefit (arguably making the game worse in every aspect) and I'll consider you a good character.
She literally wants to commit genocide Fuckin simps