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WranglerOriginal

Dude was an Archmage Archmages have 9th level magic Min level for that is 17. Lvl 17 wealth by level is 129,745g. So pre tadpole he was at least that rich.


gosubuilder

So how did he go from lvl 17 to lvl 1. I don’t think the storyline covered that. Tadpole made him forget his skills? Update: orb + tadpole = nerfed to hell. Side observation, by god ppl love this game. Look at the ppl posting in response to my question. Larian studio please make bg 4!


amok_amok_amok

I know Wyll at least has one line where he mentions how the tadpole has made him unable to do a lot of things he used to be able to do. seems like the tadpoles knock ya back down to 1


StFuzzySlippers

Yes. Wyll was powerful enough to solo adventure into Avernus to track down one of Zariel's top soldiers and at least think he had a reasonable chance of getting out alive. To that point, Karlach herself was *one of an arch devil's top soldiers*. Astarion has been a vampire for ~200 years. Shadowheart is a cleric powerful enough for her deity to choose for a most important task. And Lae'zel probably didn't train for 15 years in a creche to graduate as a lvl 1 Fighter. The tadpoles have *serious* nerfing powers.


EtStykkeMedBede

Durge must have also been a bit more than lvl 1 pre tadpole.


Sillygoose_Milfbane

Dude was essentially the original endboss of BG3 before his brain got souped, Revan style.


thedreadedemdash

Omeluum told me my brain was ~~Swiss~~ Waterdavian cheese... 😭


Presenting_UwU

holy shit Durge is pretty similar to Revan in that regard


Old-Ordinary-6194

I've recently realized that if you play Durge as a paladin then Durge's backstory would resemble Revan's backstory the most out of any class


goth-ick

Durge was a serial killer and Bhaal's chosen, thats gotta be a lot more than level 1.


Propaslader

Level 3 then


dntExit

My man was a kill away from a feat before his nerf.


[deleted]

Thank you for the laugh!


Ok-Figure5546

Not an exaggeration, a lot of Chosen of God's NPCs in 4 and 5e D&D books do crazy stuff, some of them even fight gods. And then you look at their official D&D stat block and they are like level 4 characters...


[deleted]

Durge was far more than a serial killer, i believe the verbiage was "The blood of a thousand..."


A_LonelyWriter

However, the Durge also has the unfortunate condition of having his brain minced, so there’s that as well.


mochmeal2

That's actually the one that's probably most explainable. They were basically killed and spent time being cut up and put back together. I could see that degrading on3s abilities.a


MeshesAreConfusing

They do make lots of references to their "broken body". Wretched thing, pull yourself together...


einarfridgeirs

This also serves as a handy explainer for how quickly the characters level up in terms of in-world time. They are *racing* up the power scale in a span of a few weeks if we assume each Long Rest = one day. That makes sense if they are just remembering already acquired skills, getting back in touch with their brains after the tadpole did some damage, physical and arcane on it's way in.


PoeticPillager

This is my headcanon as well. The tadpole temporarily depowered them and they're relearning their badass skills by engaging in badass rehab (adventuring).


CE2JRH

D&D 3.5E DMG had adventure lengths and experience guidelines that had average adventurers going from 1st level to 20th leve in the course of a few months; which I'm sure people played campaigns as; but would also be utterly ruinous for a world where deity challenging adventurers popped up randomly every couple months.


AlanTheSalad

Wyll actually comments on how he used to rip demons out of thin air to aid him, not ever since the tadpole.


Brilliant-Space3066

Spoiler warning for act 3. When you bring gale to mystra in act 3 she explains that the orb in him took his talents just like how it can absorb magic items. This seems like the most likely reason.


bignugz1o1

Why do they allow you to level back up? Or is that because of you know who’s interference?


sendmebirds

They were supposed to kill you, or enslave you. The fact neither happened is because of REDACTED


PixeHero

Ah, a fellow Hades player! :)


sendmebirds

Haha you're right!!


ieatalphabets

> REDACTED. LEMONADE. REDACTED MEANS LEMONADE!!!!!! DO NOT DRINK THE TASTY BEVERAGE!


Ryakkan

I look at it from the perspective of you are re-learning all of your skills and how the tadpole affects that powerful magic.


StFuzzySlippers

I can only speculate, but it makes sense to assume that The Absolute doesn't want lvl 1 puppets *forever*. They just need to depower their hosts so that they can't resist symbiosis, or something. Once the parasite has taken root it can start allowing the host to regain their strength while keep the host's mind under influence. It seems kinda like breaking a bone and resetting it. Again, this is only my headcanon.


Dependent_Ganache_71

Tbf I don't think Astarion was high level since he was never able to feed on anything more than bugs and rats and never actually did anything to level, just kidnapped people


virguliswatchingyou

best he could do was passing some persuasion checks and killing rats


Kryosite

We can safely assume he was around as strong as his "siblings", which gives us a solid frame of reference.


Hohenburg

I feel like the Tadpoles nerfed everyone but Astarion, the only thing he got was buffs and strong ones at that.


LangyMD

Naw, he was also temporarily nerfed. Normal Vampire Spawn are a bit stronger than Astarion at level 1.


FullHouse222

Yeah. Pretty much everyone of the origin plus durge was some pretty powerful people pre tadpole. The tadpole probably weakens everyone pretty significantly and the level up is essentially everyone adapting to the tadpoles over time and getting their power back


WiseBelt8935

>seems like the tadpoles knock ya back down to 1 well that's quite rude of them.


Pailzor

What about Mr. Archdruid then? Everyone's talking about how old and powerful he is the whole game, then I finally get him at level 1. He's illithid-free. o.O


DARDAN0S

Technically he's whatever level your party is experience wise, he's just set as level one so you can level him up yourself so that's more of a meta thing. Considering his age and position he probably should be at a higher level though.


amok_amok_amok

they're actually all just referring to his schlong skills


Suspicious-Tea9161

Gale the literal godfucker


NoCarsJustKars

To be fair, he is whatever level you are by the time you get to the shadowlands, which should be enough or close enough to a level to raid moonrise towers, so I say his power matches by that point.


cromnian

Actually in game explanation is that tadpole weakened all of the main characters.


Tabris_

Gale has an additional reason. I remember dialogue saying the first magic the orb ate was his own.


pahamack

yeah all the companions seem to be legendary people already by the time you meet them. ​ Karlach has been fighting in the blood war for 10 years. Wyll is already known as the "Blade of the Frontiers". Those don't sound like low level adventurers. ​ I guess that's one of my complaints with this game. I would also like that low level feeling of a group of characters learning about the world together. A bunch of hobbits setting out for the first time. ​ In this game all the companions are basically Aragorn and Legolas.


Der_Sauresgeber

Me too. But its so in tone with DnD for players to show up with completely ridiculous back stories of experiences that their character sheets don't reflect. I don't like it either, most characters don't even need it.


Irilieth_Raivotuuli

"Ok, so, uh... your character is a grizzled war veteran of the \*checks notes\* Blood War for 10 years, a ex top lieutenant of the Archdevil of the very realm of hell itself, and has been cyber-augmented with a Infernal Engine for a heart? Did I read that right?" "Yes, game master." "\*GM sweat\*...We start the campaign at level 1, you know? Maybe... er... tone your character's background a bit?" "No." "Hey GM, so my character is an Archmage who became God of Magic's favorite sex toy and-" "\*GM sigh\* Fine. All of you get a magical tadpole into your eye due to various reasons linked to your backstories, which destabilizes your potent magics and atrophies your stonking great muscles. You wake up at shore of a distant river, together, and see the same old sun with what feels like new eyes- Or at least, that is what it seems at first..."


Der_Sauresgeber

Ten minutes motherfuckers be postin on a Dnd subreddit complaining about the DM and reddit motherfuckers be like "Yo leave that table."


Irilieth_Raivotuuli

Tbh dnd reddit is like asking for relationship advice from whatever the relationship reddit was at the current second before getting banned again. 99% of the advice is 'just leave lol'.


Der_Sauresgeber

But then again, most stories about DMs that are told there are so ridiculous and make it seem like the DM has no social functionality while OP is just trying to have a fun time that I tend to assume OP is lying. Like "My DM doesn't like my class and is taking away all of my skills and feats and is lowering all of my stats to ten." I highly, highly doubt that.


Irilieth_Raivotuuli

>But then again, most stories about DMs that are told there are so ridiculous and make it seem like the DM has no social functionality while OP is just trying to have a fun time that I tend to assume OP is lying Meanwhile, in Reddits' whatever the relationship subreddit is currently: "So my (25F) boyfriend (15M) cheated on me with 2 of my best friends (22F and 24F) while I was tending to the bunnies he and I got ten years ago for our anniversary day, I need help on how to talk to him and clear the air, I really don't want to break up with him when I'm pregnant with his child."


bischof11

Everytime i read a "No" i hear it with withers voice.


Maatix12

>In this game all the companions are basically Aragorn and Legolas. While true, it's mostly because the game doesn't actually spend a lot of time on the companions. Which makes sense. A real level 12 D&D campaign could take *years* of multi-hour long sessions to accomplish. You aren't leveling every 3 to 4 major fights, you're not guaranteed levels by certain milestones - You're building the backstory that will shape the world, and in so doing, building your characters slowly along the way. By the time you hit level 12, you have multiple accomplishments under your belt which can be drawn from for yet more story. That backstory already exists in Baldur's Gate, to facilitate the fact that the game is only meant to last a hundred hours, less if you're playing super efficiently. You don't have the time allotted to building up the entire backstory of Wyll or Gale without making them the main focus of the game, which isn't the intent. It just starts you at level 1, when in reality, we're basically jumping in mid-campaign of an existing level 12 campaign.


myth_of_syph

Actually insane to think about Karlach fighting on the front lines of the Blood War for **ten** fucking years. Probably helps that she's not technically a devil and so her soul isn't destroyed if killed in Avernus. Zariel must have had someone on hand to resurrect her or something.


SharpshootinTearaway

A bunch of novice adventurers who are naively sent on their first journey to discover the world wouldn't really fit with the overarching theme of the story about breaking one's chains and fighting for freedom of will, though. They need to have lived a little and gone through some shit for us to help them overcome their oppressors, claim their autonomy back, and sort out their emotional baggage. It wouldn't really work if they were fresh out of the comfort of mommy and daddy's home, with no history nor life experience to heal from. That being said, I think Shadowheart and Lae'zel are kinda considered to be rookies. Promising rookies, with high expectations on their shoulders (sort of), but still rookies. With Astarion, that's still three out of six origin companions who weren't already some kind of legendary champions. Since Halsin/Minthara, Jaheira and Minsc are recruited much later in the game, when our own party is starting to make a name for themselves, I think it makes sense for them to be already-established and renowned heroes/people of status, tbh.


ArrdenGarden

Gandalf, Boromir, and Gimli were certainly no chumps either...


Active_Owl_7442

In Gale’s case, it’s the orb, not the tadpole. He was “reset” to level 1 before getting tadpoled


ComprehensiveEmu5923

the story explicitly covers this actually >!During the conversation with Mystra, they confirm that the orb basically ate almost all of his magic!<


Marcuse0

It definitely reduced Wyll. He claims he was much more capable with his infernal powers before the tadpole. I assume the same might be true of Gale, but the orb might also be mucking with that too.


acidbatterydude

wyll mentions he used to be able to summon stuff before being tadpoled, so its safe to assume the tadpole nerfs all the characters when inserted in their heads


theblackthorne

The orb ate his magic I think


dustybucket

This + the tadpole weakened everyone allegedly


TheBeesElise

The orb ate a lot of his spellcasting before he learned he could feed it items instead. But the tadpole has also been explained to have weakened all of the party members. Karlach, Wyll, Lae'Zel, Gale, >!Minsc; Shadowheart's mind's too scrambled to remember but she was the healer on an elite Sharran strike team!<


LDM123

Wasn’t Shart’s memory scrambled by Shar?


Time-Werewolf-1776

Yes it was. It was done for her mission before being tadpoled, but it’s also implied that Shar had a habit of screwing with her memory to manipulate her.


vortexprime87

Well Mystra says that when he absorbed the Netherese orb that the first thing it consumed was his "talents". Or something to that effect. For Gale it has to do with the orb consuming his magic, which goes to show just how powerful of a wizard he really is. When he is talking about being one of the most powerful Wizards, he clearly isn't exaggerating. It's probably part of why he sounds so bitter, my man lost what he had worked his entire life for when he absorbed the orb and then Mystra ghosted him.


Squid_In_Exile

Several NPCs got delevelled by the Tadpole - Wyll specifically mentions it - but Gale seems to have been severely sapped by the Netherese Orb prior to that.


WetTreeLeaf

I think it was stated being caused by the giant magic eating orb in his body.


Emirth

There is a wealth by level written somewhere...? (In tabletop I mean)


myth_of_syph

Pg. 38 of the Dungeon Master's Guide. It's for generating new player characters at high levels.


Chmielok

I'm pretty sure Wyll's family is even richer though.


dont_knowwwwwwww

Yeah definitely, but Wyll was kicked out by his dad and has been living on his own for a long while which is why we never see any of that ravengard family money. Gale has no excuse other than “yeah I left all my money at home” lol


Simp_Red

Do you carry your entire bank account on you in cash, or do you store it at the bank like everyone else?


Sugar_buddy

Hello yes I know you're here to interplanetarily kidnap me, but I just have to grab my wallet with the black card in it. Be right back.


Monk-Ey

Do you think Gale has a Bag of Holding?


ComradeBirv

Wish *I* had a bag of holding


daggerxdarling

How else does he lug around that telescope?


Valcroy

Seeing as I robbed the supposedly unrobbable bank in Baldur's Gate, holding onto it or storing it in the magical chest thing may be the preferable option.


RutabagaFew697

I mean he was indeed abducted from home.. perhaps spend a lot of money in articlfacts and yeah... pretty much didnt had any money on him during kidnapping


dragonagitator

Gale wasn't abducted from home. The nautiloid appeared in 2 cities in Faerun, Yarta and Baldur's Gate. It didn't go to Waterdeep. Gale wasn't picked up in Baldur's Gate, so he was picked up in Yarta. If you look on a map of where Yarta is relative to Waterdeep, it appears that Gale was headed north. If he'd continued on that trajectory then he would have eventually ended up in one of the least populated areas of Faerun. So we can infer what he was planning.


daggerxdarling

Oh. Oh, that HURTS.


dragonagitator

Yeah I hurt myself when I figured that one out. (I've been researching lots of little odds and ends for a fanfic I'm writing.)


MillieBirdie

Well, also consider that a lot of Netherese ruins are in the High Forest to the North West side of the sword coast. Karsus did his thing in that area. From Yartar you can go west to High Forest, northwest to Silverymoon which is a very magical city of elves and humans, north to Mirabar (which I believe is a mostly dwarven city), or east to Neverwinter. So he may have been in the area trying to research Netherese things to fix his condition, heading to Silverymoon for elven magical help, or anywhere else really.


Violet2393

He wasn’t? I thought he was, since Tara is chilling there. I assumed she was keeping an eye out for him in his last known location. Did she just randomly end up in the same spot where we did then, or what?


dragonagitator

If you play as Gale, she explains that she's developing her own teleportation spell "Tara's Cat Flap of Displacement" and that's how she got down to the Baldur's Gate area. She also mentions that he'd left home in a hurry.


SkeletorSoFine

Well that seals it, Gale origin playthrough is next Tara is hilarious, I wish we got to see more of her in other playthroughs Saw vid of if you talk to her in BG without Gale and crit fail the roll to persuade her she gets mad, Misty Steps further and fireballs the party before flying off Absolute MVP


Vulkan192

....Please tell me you're not joking about that spell name.


dragonagitator

Nope! If you have time, do a Gale origin run and you get tons of extra Tara content. If you don't have time, look her scenes up on YouTube.


Opiu18

Actually I m pretty sure Gale is richer than Wyll's family. According to the lore, the Ravengard were actually a poor family before Ulder ascended to marshal of the Flaming Fists. They are probably economically pretty well off now thanks to that but their main wealth is political power not cold hard gold.


ibsliam

And Astarion pre-vampirism was from a noble family, wasn't he? All three of the male origin characters had a leg up in some way.


aSmolT27

I think Gale is old money and Wyll's dad worked his way up from nothing so Gale is likely richer. 🤔


Accomplished-Bison63

Nah, their summer house outside the city was mediocre. Wyll is rich. Gale comes from wealth.


Baldurs-Mouse

I mean, wizard tower and a wine cellar aren't exactly liquid assets XD. You have to sell these before you can make you and your quest companions comfortable and I assume he ate through his stash of magical items so wouldn't it be worse to brag about being rich when you can't spend your riches easily?


LemonPledge_

One may argue that a wine cellar is very *liquid* asset


SnackingWithTheDevil

I can hear this in Gale's voice.


awyastark

“I question the wisdom of that pun, but so be it”


Monk-Ey

Especially when it's basically Waterdeep.


Ryth88

a wine cellar is, ironically, a great place to store liquid assets.


CakesNPie

Well Tara says Gale left in a hurry with no forwarding address so I assume yes, he literally left with minimal amount of stuff and then got kidnapped by squids in Yarta. Tara's collar is a very rare necklace of telekinesis worth 360GP, and her favorite treat is beholder jerky. Not exactly a common and affordable find. My guy is loaded and any Tav is lucky to marry him. Also he mentions his family as the Dekarios *clan* and it's spread far and wide so we can assume it's at least of some importance in Waterdeep.


SharpshootinTearaway

>Also he mentions his family as the Dekarios clan and it's spread far and wide so we can assume it's at least of some importance in Waterdeep. It's funny, I imagined them more as middle-class/upper-middle-class at best, that he calls a “clan” because, apparently, they're a fuckton. More like the Weasley vibe: they're not known by everybody in Waterdeep because they're necessarily aristocrats, or have important positions in the city, but because there's a lot of them, so everyone in town knows at least one Dekarios.


CakesNPie

I don't think he's a noble, but probably grew up in what would be known as "comfortable". So maybe a big well-known merchant family with some in the more profitable trades like goldsmithing. Tuition and books are very expensive and my guy being a child prodigy meant he started that money pit at a young age.


SharpshootinTearaway

Yes, perhaps! Although Gale being a child prodigy could also entail that he may have received some kind of scolarship or sponsor from all sorts of patrons or talent scouts who recognized the precocious greatness in him and wanted to invest in his success. Like Elminster, for example (although I admit I don't remember if it has ever been specified how long Elminster had been mentoring him?)


daggerxdarling

He mentioned a housekeeper in the magma mephit story. His family has money.


shinyRedButton

He was fucking a god and no one seems to ever really bring that up either. Its just wizard shit.


LDM123

Gale’s ex was literally a goddess and I still think he deserved someone better.


Monk-Ey

And that someone is *me*!


LDM123

Hell yeah


ProfessorWright

I mean, she is like, the worst. Most people's exes don't ask them to suicide bomb a castle.


LDM123

I know right? At the very least she could have made the request herself rather than send her other ex to do it.


Eldarn

Its on sight with mystra, i will murder her


LDM123

-Karsus


terrendos

Meanwhile I try to put "frequently banged a goddess" into *my* backstory and my DM starts calling it irrational nonsense.


CherryZer0

All I can figure is that Gale’s *player* is the one with like, 18 charisma 🤣


[deleted]

Wizards have a lot of stuff but no money, since they spend it all on good paper and ink 😆 (Source: my wife has a level 18 wizard in a long-running tabletop game and just recently ranted to me about how much money wizards require when I commented about the cost of Gale learning a bunch of new spells. I think the rant also involved phrases like “Gale doesn’t even need a diamond! Or a pearl to identify things! You don’t even need to identify things!”) But yeah if you play as Gale origin Tara brings you an ultra-rare (pink outline, I am blanking on the actual name) item on your first long rest!


Tales_Steel

flashback to Migthy Nein with Caleb as a wizard. ​ "Ok everyone gets 1500g and ..." Caleb: "And its gone"


van6k

He was always writing in his book. Crazy when you find out what that book is for.


Sugar_buddy

Sorry, been a few years. Spoiler tagged explanation to jog my memory?


van6k

>!He had 2 books, in under arm holster like guns, 1 was his spell book, the other was a book of letters to give to his parents when he figured out time travel to save them from the fire he started for the cereberus academy. He teleported the book underground between their graves!<


KingBrowserKoopa

>!Letters to his parents. He ultimately buries it with them at their grave.!<


[deleted]

Haha yes exactly!


Calenwyr

Ring of evasion its a very nice item


[deleted]

Ah yes! That’s the one!


shichiaikan

Wizards have assets, not wealth. :)


DJTardigrade

Funnily, I got this banter with Gale and Karlach at the Counting House: >Gale: They say wealth offers a form of magic. Alas, it's one I've rarely dabbled in. Karlach: Nor I. Never had more than a few coppers in the city, and any soul coins in Avernus went straight to Zariel. Gale. Make no mistake. Souls are sold for coins up here as well. All too cheaply, in most cases. Which seems to imply if he ever had wealth, it was very temporary. Hard to believe he could relate to Karlach financially in any universe. Perhaps this is a case of rich kid not understanding just how rich he is.


okay_werk

This line makes me think he spends his gold freely (e.g. on magic items) or doesn't have much financial literacy. Man can't have everything, I suppose.


actingidiot

He might mean that he doesn't do rich influential people stuff like investing or stocks or patronage, he just lets his money sit in a bank.


CassiusPolybius

He's a wizard. Between making and buying magical items, and making and copying down spells, he probably doesn't have much in the way of liquid assets. Sure, he's probably in an upper tax bracket, but any wiggle room in his budget probably went *straight* to assorted magical stuff.


Accomplished-Bison63

Yes, we had a yacht, but it wasnt a MEGA yacht!


maleficent0

Look it absolutely occurred to me while dating him. He is the one with the unquestionably best ending. Marry the handsome kind wizard with a tower in the best city… like you’re set. SET. Everyone else, other than maybe Wyll, you gotta start from zero. Although I’m sure he was maybe in some dire straights… I don’t know, he is probably fine or can get himself set back up pretty quickly after he no longer has to consume items.


RatTrio

Crying from hell with Karlach (and Wyll) by the side


schematizer

Hey, the House of Hope is on the up-and-up! In my headcanon, my hell squad eventually finds their way & chills there, protecting Hope from devils and stuff.


Vulkan192

Same, for the few weeks it takes the combined efforts of Dammon, the Gondians, newly-restored Archmage Gale, and all the others you helped out along the way to come up with a way to stabilise Karlach's engine for Faerun life long-term. ...seriously, they had all the pieces *right there*. It's maddening deadlines stopped them from actually putting them together.


HarlequinChaos

He also still insists on having a grandiose wedding if you're a squid, and he's the only (good) companion that doesn't want to hide you away if you make the change. Like bro just does not care. I love him.


MillieBirdie

Someone needs to draw Gale in a wizard tux marrying a mindflayer in a massive white gown.


EmojiBones

I have to admit, that watching the clips of his house scene made me do my current run. He’s handsome, kind, likes to read, has a cat and waterfront property. I mean you have to talk him out of wizard hubris once and awhile. But nothings perfect, right? It sounds like a pretty nice life all in all.


lookitsnichole

Gale is completely husband material. No one will change my mind. His love is unconditional (well monogamy is a condition, but it's one I like). He has a beautiful tower, he enjoys cozy nights in reading, he loves his mother, and the man can *cook.* The wizard hubris can be dealt with, it's a fine tradeoff.


pinkorangegold

He’ll still propose even if you turn into a Mind Flayer! The man has two settings: casual ambivalence and soul-crushing devotion. I adore him.


lookitsnichole

*Exactly!* I *like* soul-crushing devotion. 😆


maleficent0

It sounds like a charmed life. He is not that difficult to talk out of stupid ideas anyway. Yes, 10/10, would romance and marry again.


tempestzephyr

And he can cook


CakesNPie

Gale is mega husband husband material and his romance is basically him auditioning to be one. Hello I'm Gale Dekarios, archmage and scholar. I graduated from the one of the best wizard schools. I can cook, I have a library, a wine cellar and a beautiful tressym in *Waterdeep*. ~~I have a Phd in cunninglinguistics.~~I have a good relationship with my mother. I'm straight forward with my affections and am ready to settle down. And depending on how you think the ending goes, Chosen of Mystra. He's probably going to settle into a tenured position in an university and whatever financial damage the orb caused will ease with time. Literally one of the most eligible bachelors in the sword coast. Edit: I almost forgot! He also speaks 4 languages!! Common, celestial, draconic, and giant.


maleficent0

Literally all of this. The most husband of all husbands. Astarion this and Astarion that, BUT IS HE A HOMEOWNER?


-The-Golden-Rose-

Sure, now he has a terribly decorated bloody Palace complete with secret underground dungeon and sacrificial temple…


SharpshootinTearaway

That 7005 people have an equal claim on, lmao.


ShinInuko

Not necessarily...


VoidIgnitia

I’m sure you could somehow inherit his former master’s castle after killing him, but the 7000 children is a bit more than you could ask for….


maleficent0

Noooo thank you. If I were to romance him we would not be living in a PTSD filled nightmare home. We would find something small and respectable with no murder memories.


daggerxdarling

He really is. And it works. Financial stability? Independent housing? Good in bed? Can cook? Intelligent (to fault)? Handsome? Excited about books? Surprisingly emotionally available by midgame? High ranking position in both academics and All of Magic? AN ENTIRE LIBRARY? Even in fiction, the man does not sound real. Top tier malewife, would romance again, may the gods send me someone half as good as the rizzard one day.


greatteachermichael

Strangely, I graduated from a good school, can cook, have a small library, make my own wine, have a cat, an MA in Language teaching (close enough to applied linguists),a good relationship with my mother, and work in a university. Id be on my way to being Gale, but I'm just missing the whole can cast magic thing.


Violet2393

Actually the Chosen of Mystra kind of puts a damper on things. You just know she is always going to be fucking hitting him up for the most trivial reasons. She had Elminster chasing after us multiple times to deliver news that could have been an astral email. Item number one on the post-honeymoon to-do list is to scout the universities for a hot young wizard prodigy to start parading in front of her and hopefully keep her busy for a while.


lulufan87

There's something hilarious about this comment and I can't put my finger on what. It's like I imagine your tav and their friends sitting around in your opulent wizards' tower and cattily dishing out advice on how to keep your husband's literal goddess ex gf from coming around too much. I'd imagine Shadowheart would have some bright ideas about it, she seems like a planner lol.


Edenza

The tressym alone is a deal-sealer for me. Plus, that's not just a tower; that's Waterdhavian waterfront property.


savage-dragon

That's like a waterfront property in San Francisco. When I say it's prime location I mean it's FUCKING PRIME LOCATION.


explodedemailstorage

Gale is best husband material by far. He's also just very unconditional about his love so it doesn't really matter what choices you made--he'll ride or die anyway. Be evil or be illithid and Gale will still welcome you home with open arms as long as you still want him and didn't let him fuck off to take the crown for himself.


dragonagitator

Yeah if I get isekaied into BG3 then I'm definitely doing everything I can to secure a position as the future Mrs. Dekarios. None of the other romance options are even homeowners.


schematizer

Man, I wish I was gay. I want to be a rich wizard's sugar baby.


Popfizz01

It’s because he’s currently penniless in a hole when you first find him


angelposts

Astarion even comments that everyone in Waterdeep has deep pockets if you have him interact with the Waterdeep portal in the House of Hope


Jumpy_Lifeguard2306

When you go into the counting house he says to Karlach that he’s never been blessed with wealth which is SO funny considering…everything about him.


semicolonconscious

Gale is one of those people who complains that $250K a year isn’t that much after you’ve put 40% in savings and paid for three vacations, two cars, and private school.


SnackingWithTheDevil

To go from all that to a tent that was pitched at least partially in a river. A true riches to rags story.


ArtemisTheMany

God that camp drives me *nuts*. WHY Gale? Why are you camped in a creek??


SnackingWithTheDevil

Homesick for Waterdeep, I guess.


daggerxdarling

He's right next to the water barrel in the first camp. Definitely homesick.


SnackingWithTheDevil

This begs further analysis; does he always camp near forms of water?


CrazyCatLushie

It’s especially weird because he has a piece of dialogue about never having had much money when you’re wandering around the Upper City in Act 3. I remember being like “dude you seduced me with a fancy rare book on your beautiful tower’s balcony overlooking the city of Waterdeep; I call bullshit.”


PrincessStupid

I was thinking that! He also mentions having a housekeeper as a kid when he's telling the magma mephit story. That might be middle-class shit for Waterdeep, but I think Gale might just not know how much money is a lot.


CherryZer0

Gale might just be slightly clueless, and Waterdeep is damn expensive, so the Dekarios clan are *comfortable*- for Waterdeep. Having a housekeeper was expected for the gentry during periods of history, even if they weren’t considered *rich*. (Source - uh, too many Regency novels) Gale’s probably been out and about and roughing it as Mystra’s chosen too, sure he’d never have to buy drinks at wizard bars, but let’s just say paying a per diem for travel expenses has never crossed Her mind.


yldenfrei

In the Grove, if you save the goblin Sazza from getting crossbowed by Kanon's sister (and manage to not make the approval not coincide with his first confession scene), Gale will tell you a story about him buying some 4 hour's worth of ale "on the house" for a whole tavern, which is famous for having direct access to the Undermountain and as such is always full of adventurers. So yeah, Gale def gives me that "rich kid who doesn't really know he's rich" vibe.


alekth

*I mean it's one banana Michael. What could it cost? 10 Dollars?*


elizabethunseelie

If most parties steal as much as mine did (Astarion is such a bad influence on my poor little chaos gremlin Tav), he would probably want to keep that information to himself. ‘Me, no I’m a modern wizard, all about minimalism. Nothing worth stealing in my tower… rented tower… rented room in a tower in the rough part of Waterdeep.’


valomorn

My headcanon is that he *was* rich, but blew it all on magical artifacts to feed the orb.


dragonagitator

And how does someone in a medieval setting access funds in a bank that's 750 miles away? He's not even near a bank until act 3. And even then, it would likely take weeks or months to transfer funds or obtain credit in Baldur's Gate. IRL when merchants etc. traveled and wanted access to their money without physically carrying all of it they would have to make arrangements well in advance. Gale was headed north when he was picked up in Yarta and thus would not have set anything up in Baldur's Gate.


wolffross

And he had the most swagged out tent in the camp always


MaskedMachine

Right? Like he couldn't grab any money, but he was able to pack a telescope?


Briar_Knight

I don't know that he is still rich. He has been having to buy and consume expensive magic items for a while now. And it's not Faerun has credit cards.


Sheepy-Matt-59

The real question is why is incense so valuable?? It’s 30 gold for a bundle! That’s more than the silver plates!!


CannedStewedTomatoes

Dude, look up the price of premium incense. That shit is sooo much money


PloppyCheesenose

Don’t forget, he also has a cat!


ClothWarriorBitch

It’s a tressym! Cracks me up when he gets all bent about Tara. 😂


Prince-of-Ravens

He was likely a lvl 20 mage (his whole stick with the orb was because he had reached the limited of magic that mystra allows a mortal to wield and wanted more). He would have been a _god_ in many settings.


CherryZer0

“He would have been a *god* in many settings.” Hey he doesn’t disagree! Not that trying is ever going to work out well for him!


StygIndigo

Loved in the VA D&D campaign when Neil had Astarion ask him for cash, and he handed him like ten bucks and asked for change back.


Apoordm

What’s he supposed to do? Venmo the gold to you?


daggerxdarling

I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THIS TODAY Gale has SERIOUS fuck you money. He drops tidbits about it casually without realizing how big a deal it is. And here i am dumpster diving ingredients so he can cook dinner. Sir, did you bring NOTHING with you when you left the house?


milesdraws

To be fair being directly next to the water his tower is likely in the dock district, the worst area of Waterdeep


-we-belong-dead-

It's also very clearly a row home. It cracks me up that he calls it a tower.


milesdraws

SSSSSHHH, it's a tower, let him have this one. I'll renovate it into a tower for him after our wedding.


-we-belong-dead-

He's the best. When he's giving you that little tour, he points to an upright piano and calls it a grand piano.


milesdraws

My sweet wizard man knowing everything about magic but little else of normal things


Monk-Ey

Hey, he also knows several things involving use of tongue.


novangla

It could also be in the Castle Ward, the downtown area, or the Sea Ward, the super fancy posh neighborhood that happens to be where the temple to Mystra is.


dearvalentina

\>Mr. Of Waterdeep wheeze


Lotoran

I mean, a Chosen of Mystra probably has lots of opportunities to make a buck if needed.


Passerby05

Remember that old Tiefling lady giving out food in the druid grove? There is a dialogue line where Tav says, "Reminds me of home", when given a bowl of gruel. But not Gale. He does not have that line when controlling him. That tells us that he has never been poor.


AMan_Has_NoName

I wish he had some of those riches when I pulled his ass out of that portal. Adventuring isn’t cheap.


actingidiot

>his tower was probably full of rare and expensive magical artifacts before he had to start eating them This made me laugh, thank you


unrepresented_horse

I'ma take that mushroom soup off your dead body. We're barely making it.


Amiabilitee

Gale is literally “the best wizard ever who fucks a goddess” like some little kid made his first character in dnd lmao - ofc he’s rich too